The Bridge

Sathya

10:00 PM

@badp heh. I've visited from here before. Dunno why it got triggered now.

@macha remains to be seen.

Arda Xi

this is at least off-topic right?

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Q: Where can I find alternatives to XAseco?

XAseco is a system that runs alongside a TrackMania server and allows control of the server via chat commands and activities. It's a great system, but it runs on PHP. I'd like to write plugins in C# rather than PHP. Where can I find alternatives to XAseco, or a full detail of the TrackMania cont...

dedicated-server

Sathya

@Arda definitely

Macha

Well, unless something goes horribly wrong, were going to leave SF in the dust. And Web Apps is cutting in SU's area.

Arda Xi

speaking of SF..

Sathya

@Macha - Webapps + gadgets + gaming = chunk of SU, I guess

Macha

10:03 PM

@Arda Yup

Kevin Y

Yeah, Gaming will probably become the most popular Stack Exchange site.

Considering there's tons of gamers on the Internet.

Macha

Well, gaming questions were getting closed anyway. Unless you slipped past the radar "A windows program utilising 3d graphics won't run under wine with a..." :P

Sathya

@mew Problem is gamers love to discuss, something which goes against SO's Q&A format

Kevin Y

Good point.

Arda Xi

well, that's what we have (a whole lot of) comments for

radp

10:07 PM

Well, Joel thinks SuperUser was poorly targeted anyway

If it can get absorbed by more specific, more expert area51 sites

it's all the better

Oak

New logo proposal!

Arda Xi

shouldn't people be getting the beta badge by now btw?

Oak

-2

A: Logo proposals for Gaming

My idea is basically a finger frantically pressing a button again and again. First draft: I'll try to make it a bit more stylish, help from others will be welcome.

Sathya

apart from gaming, web apps and Pro webmasters, which other proposal had got good response ?

Oak

Cooking?

Popular Demand

10:09 PM

Are the requirements for beta on new SE sites the same as they were for SOFU?

Kevin Y

@Oak Cool icon.

Macha

/me wishes there was a light version of this chat. Mobile Safari really doesn't like it.

Arda Xi

@Oak: would it look good in the logo's aspect ratio?

Sathya

@popular yes. you should get it EOD. AFAIK it's a batch process

Kevin Y

Is there a mobile version of this chat planned?

Oak

10:10 PM

@Arda I'm sure it can be done

Arda Xi

I'd suggest a mock-up following that ratio, I don't really see it

Oak

What's the ratio, perfect square?

Macha

@popular: What are they? Just actually do what you promised to when committing? I lost my SO beta badge iirc :(

Arda Xi

I mean, if it's going to be beside the name it would need to have room for it

radp

Feel free to flame me for my comment

Popular Demand

10:11 PM

@Macha: Earn three bronze badges during the private beta.

radp

(kind of a pity you can't link comments)

Popular Demand

It was mentioned by Jeff in a comment to an old question.

Popular Demand

Actually possibly an answer.

Oak

@badp: I honestly think my proposal is good enough for any name

Oak

@badp: and also, I assume it will be quicksave or quickload at the end :)

radp

10:12 PM

@Oak, well, I didn't down vote it :)

Sathya

Gaming room has more people talking than SU.

Arda Xi

@Oak just look in the top-left corner

radp

neither of quicksave and quickload are really about asking game questions :(

did you ever have trouble with quick saving?

I guess peope does have trouble with stack overflows

Macha

Proves the "Gamers like to discuss" point.

radp

or server faults...

Arda Xi

10:13 PM

Well, the website might be a quick save

if you need one

Oak

@badp "super user" isn't a problem

radp

or know-it-all superusers :P

Oak

@Arda that much is true

radp

"What's this UAC bullshit? I must be my computer admin 24/7! OH SHIT A VIRUS NOOO"

Oak

Nor is the name for the upcoming web apps

Oak

10:14 PM

They already got one

Oak

something like logoff

radp

Yeah, I also hate clicklogout

radp

Is the website about using webapps or qutting webapps?

Macha

Ever get the feeling Jeff doesn't like this site? He's promoted every other site's beta, and at least for webapps/webmaster participated.

radp

10:16 PM

Probably he doesn't feel he has to

He didn't commit to this after all

Macha

Quicksave > ClickLogoff anyway :)

Arda Xi

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Q: Is this proposal in danger?

I just listened to herding code's latest podcast, where Jeff was a guest. Close to the beginning, he said that he was nervous about the Gaming proposal because "it isn't really a learning topic". Don't get me wrong, I understand he only said that and nothing else and I'm not panicking or anythi...

discussion success usefulness

Popular Demand

@Arda how'd you do that?

Popular Demand

I just started using chat about two minutes ago.

Arda Xi

Just paste the link, unless that's too difficult

Popular Demand

10:17 PM

Hmm... that may be too difficult for me.

radp

btw

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A: What should our .com domain name be?

clicklogout.com Status - RESERVED BY STACK OVERFLOW INC. One of the simplest things to do in a web app (after logging in of course). Any domain with web and app in it, not sure I like. Should be something common that happens across web apps.

vs

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A: What should our .com domain name be?

NothingToInstall.com I just registered it. Succinctly conveys WHY web applications are awesome and we love them. Easy to spell, easy to pronounce, no hyphens, impossible to misinterpret.

Macha

NothingToInstall is good, but could be better :P

Arda Xi

Hmm, I don't think there's enough people around to close questions anymore.

radp

Yeah, our votes have been brutally reaped out

Arda Xi

nothing's been reaped from me, luckily

except community :P

radp

10:21 PM

Actually, does the site currently even have 5 different moderators?

there's Jeff...

Arda Xi

It doesn't have one active moderator I think

Jeff Atwood

http://gaming.stackexchange.com is now in public beta!

Tweeted by codinghorror on July 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM

there's your damn twitter!! :)

Arda Xi

Oh, hi

radp

Oh lookie

Oak

Wait, we can't vote to close in public beta?

Arda Xi

10:23 PM

much appreciated

radp

no, we can't.

Arda Xi

@Oak only those with more than 500 rep can

radp

Damn you and your FAQ reading skills @Arda

The faq is cheating, dammit

Arda Xi

Someone asked before, I happened to know :D

Oak

@Arda whew, I'm still good :)

Macha

10:24 PM

I can vote to close, but not edit others questions. The opposite of my SO status. Makes more sense tbh.

Oak

@Jeff we're on our way to get a name!

Oak

Please reserve one of those two leading ones

Macha

And looks like Jeff heard us talking about him :P

radp

The chat loads with backlog, Macha

unlike IRC.

Arda Xi

Only if you click the button, @badp

Macha

10:26 PM

@badp: My IRC does. Go irssi on my VPS :P

radp

@Macha: mine does too (yay for bouncers and irssi) but managing backlog is a PITA

Macha

Oh, if you need to click a button... Then there is logbots.

@badp: Bouncers?

radp

Yes, Macha

they connect to IRC, you connect to them

they stay online, you can drop all the time and not have anybody (have to) notice

a generous guy got me one on his server, tired of my dropping connection :)

Jeff Atwood

hey I am putting together the share house ad for gaming now.

radp

Out of curiosity, will Alex Papadimolous handle advertisements for all stackexchanges or..?

Jeff Atwood

10:32 PM

haha, *no*

long, long story.

radp

Well, you've left spammination to us, we'll leave monetization to you I guess.

Macha

Any plan for a mobile version of chat? The text box is after the first screen, not the end of the page, and the memory usage is so high big rooms like feedback crash Safari on my iPod Touch.

Jeff Atwood

yes

Macha

The text box sounds like it might be a matter of adding position:fixed to it's CSS.

Kevin Y

@Macha Out of curiosity, what generation is your iPod Touch?

Macha

10:38 PM

@Mew2468: Second Gen.

Kevin Y

Yikes, I better not go on the chat on my 1st gen iPod Touch then. >.>

Macha

@Mew2468 The only spec difference is the (same) processor is clocked a bit higher. Not like the 3rd gen/iPhone 4 with different components and majorly different performance.

Kevin Y

Didn't the second gen double the RAM of the 1st gen?

Oh wait . . . maybe that's 3rd gen and 2nd gen.

Macha

@Mew2468: Nope. That was the 3rd gen to the second gen. First and second gen both have 128mb, I think.

Kevin Y

Yeah, I just checked. Whoops.

Arda Xi

10:46 PM

This has been brought up before on Meta, but isn't the rate of anthony.trupe's questions a little excessive?

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Q: Dwarf Fortress seeds on hand

How do I see what kinds of seeds and how many of each I have on hand?

dwarf-fortress

Macha

Close as subjective?

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1783/the-advantages-of-pc-over-xbox-360-ps3

Arda Xi

He's asked at least 10 short Dwarf Fortress questions that can be answered with a quick google search

@Macha definitely

what did we say about fanboys?

Sathya

@Macha yeah

Arda Xi

vote cast

anyway, anthony has been brought up on meta before, he just keeps switching the subject of his questions every time he's called to attention

Macha

Yeah it's too much. I mean, we may have those questions asked eventually, but for now, we want the better questions. Especially when they seem to be deliberate "seeding" questions.

Sathya

10:50 PM

brrr

gaming.stackexchange.com/users/39/…

Arda Xi

Exactly

This is where it's been discussed on meta

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Q: What to do with class based questions?

Currently there's a bunch of questions on classes for LOTR:O and WoW Now I truly believe there is valuable information for each separate class, like class specific blogs or other resources. However, in the beginning of the site I feel that posting 10 question on the same game is seeding the sit...

discussion classes seeding

Macha

Didn't Anirudha (or something) on SO get banned for loads of similar, stupid questions? Or at least moderated?

Sathya

hopes Borderlands download is done

Jeff Atwood

you guys take all your hard-core iPod touch chat to gadgets.stackexchange.com man!

Arda Xi

Now who's lagging?

Sathya

10:56 PM

Wonder if @Jeff is doing a round-robin tour of all rooms :p

Jeff Atwood

so many tabs OMG

Arda Xi

once again, the avatar does perfect justice

Macha

@Jeff: Sadly, I made the mistake of committing to Webmasters without reviewing the other options :(. At three sites comitted now.

Arda Xi

You can uncommit, right?

Grace Note

I don't think you can uncommit while it's in the beta.

Macha

11:01 PM

@Arda: Not once the beta starts.

Arda Xi

Oh, yeah, you're right

Do you stay committed for the whole 90 days?

Grace Note

I think it isn't necessary to wait the whole 90 days.

Macha

I think so.

Jeff Atwood

you will get a "commitment fulfilled" email soon

Grace Note

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/57122/… implies that you get it back fairly soon

Jeff Atwood

11:04 PM

the formula (shh, it's a secret) .. well, I can't tell you :0

Arda Xi

Ö

Jeff Atwood

basically just make sure you've created a "reasonable" number of new posts (questions or answers) on every site you commit to

and I would strongly advise that you participate in the private beta .. as a committer

Macha

Anyway, I'm going now.

Arda Xi

so you're basically locked in until you do that

Grace Note

Bye, Macha

Jeff Atwood

11:05 PM

but, I assume you guys are already doing this stuff so the email will arrive soon

the first batch goes out today I think or tomorrow

so until you see that email, commitment not fullfilled and we hold your commitment token

Grace Note

Does activity in the Meta count too, or is it restricted to the parent site?

Jeff Atwood

parent only

Grace Note

Figured as much.

Jeff Atwood

meta participation is important if you want to be a pro-tem moderator

so it's important for other reasons

Kevin Y

Around what amount of questions / answers is "reasonable"?

Grace Note

11:07 PM

I'm going to look up that term "pro-tem" now...

Jeff Atwood

Pro tempore

Pro tempore (), pro tem or p.t. is a Latin phrase which best translates to "for the time being" in English. This phrase is often used to describe a person who acts as a locum tenens (placeholder) in the absence of a superior, such as the President pro tempore of the United States Senate. Legislative bodies can have one or more pro tempore for the presiding officer. These positions ostensibly go to legislators experienced in floor debate who are familiar with the content and application of relevant rules and precedents and who have a reputation for fairness among their colleagues. Ma...

Arda Xi

problem in my case is that I mostly contribute in comments on meta, which doesn't show on my profile

oh cool, it works for wikipedia pages too

Kevin Y

Wikipedia embed as well? Awesome. :D

Grace Note

Wow. Awesome. Thanks, Jeff

Jeff Atwood

@mew246 I can't give the exact number, but for comparison, 297 stack overflow users reached the threshold during the first week of SO private beta (if we were doing retroactive stats)

Arda Xi

11:08 PM

which is why people are complaining I don't have enough meta participation :(

Jeff Atwood

we will eventually return your commitment token no matter what, it just takes longer if you don't reach the post thresholds

Grace Note

People are complaining that you don't have enough Meta participation?

Arda Xi

(Mostly not on-site, @Grace Note)

but if you look at my profile I have like 2 answers

while I have more meta participation than that

Grace Note

Ah

Sathya

alright imma catch you folks later. Off to my home

Arda Xi

11:13 PM

Am I the only one in Europe here? :V

Sathya

@Arda --> Asian/Indian here.

Grace Note

Not unlikely. I'm a boring EST folk

rlb.usa

USA

Kevin Y

Canada. Eh.

Arda Xi

Ah right, I was referring to the timezone. :)

So, @Jeff Atwood, just wondering but when are moderator votes going to happen on the betas? Don't really think it's needed yet, just wondering

Jeff Atwood

11:34 PM

next week -- well, we will be contacting people directly with more info

Arda Xi

People? You mean nominees?

Jeff Atwood

the process is still being decided, but generally we want to cultivate any emergent leadership and give them power

Grace Note

Oh goodness, are "Hidden gems" going to be the "Hidden features" of Gaming? gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1849/iphone-hidden-gems

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Q: iPhone Hidden Gems

Please give us some of your best iPhone/ipod touch games that others may not have heard of. I'm sure most of us know the obvious ones like: Doodle jump Canabalt Here's some of mine Edge - puzzle platformer, getting a cube through many levels AqueDuct - My favorite puzzle game on iPhone, ve...

iphone ipod-touch

Jeff Atwood

ugh

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