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@Unionhawk That second example is painful to look at

3:14 PM

Our senior design project needs a web service of some sort, and PHP is used for all the ESP8266 examples I can find

huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/…

@Wipqozn All of it is painful to look at, because it's a PHP tutorial

@fredley yolo

@Wipqozn Just, even the idea of using a strcat in that manner is painful

@Unionhawk Hmm that's okay I guess but I think you can improve it by using some of Google's code standards

@Unionhawk @Wipqozn is right - the second example is the reason why template strings exist

3:17 PM

@RedRiderX Codecademy gives you all of that

@Unionhawk I don't know if they have this one.

Also, don't use double quotes for non-template strings. The examples are bad - they don't start teaching good habits early on

@RedRiderX lololololol

@RedRiderX This still makes me very uncomfortable

@fredley But it's so efficient!

CC @badp for the manual minifying love.

@RedRiderX But unsemantic!

3:19 PM

@fredley What do you do most of your webdev in?

I can't believe Google recommends that

That <p> though

@PrivatePansy A group in people in Google consider this an optional thing in a style guide.

@Wipqozn vim

It makes sense, as long as browser standards specify exactly how such stuff should be handled

3:20 PM

but srsly tho wtf

Yeah that <p> is pretty wat

@fredley If you really want to type less, just use pug

@fredley and then IE

@KevinvanderVelden I mean framework

@Wipqozn Sublime

3:20 PM

Everything else I can get behind

But that <p> though

You guys are trolling me something fierce. I think.

I may have just trolled myself

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@Wipqozn That is an actual Google recommendation

@Wipqozn Or wait, what language?

I think Google is trolling all of us

I also interpreted that as development environment

3:20 PM

Also, I use vim and atom

Django/Python

@fredley yeha

Flask for small stuff

@fredley Figured. Respect increased.

Currently though, I'm being paid to maintain a Scala/Play app

3:21 PM

My experience with django/python was fantastic

Scala is a beautiful, powerful language that is totally unsuited to webdev

@Wipqozn That's because it is fantastic

@fredley I did an assignment with it. I found myself having both intense love and hate for it.

@PrivatePansy why the hate?

@fredley Yup. So much better than PHP. I tried to convince my boss to go with django for a site rebuild, but alas.

@fredley Regex for routing. Configuration. Folder structure. Forms.

Oh god the Form classes

3:22 PM

@fredley Hey, that's what I do now!

@PrivatePansy Yeah, first thing I install is a package to sort out the form class, usually django-bootstrap-forms

django/python is the best and does all the things

IT really is

@SaintWacko Lucky bastard

We're a Drupal / Wordpress shop here

3:23 PM

@GodEmperorDune yup

Drupal for the main product, Wordpress for most other stuff.

Oh also CakePHP, but we rarely touch that site

I literally am only learning PHP because the examples for "get arduino board to talk to a server" are PHP backend

Our primary product is on Drupal 6, but we're doing a rebuild in Drupal 8.

@Unionhawk php is an interesting choice for that...

@Unionhawk wat

3:24 PM

I know

@Wipqozn I'm so sorry for you

@Unionhawk last time I was hacking around with an arduino it was using JS

@PrivatePansy :(

@Wipqozn There's PHP, then there's Drupal/PHP

@fredley At least it's not WordPress!PHP

3:25 PM

No but Drupal 8 seems legit. A lot better than 6. Good skill to have, since it's really popular.

That's the worst alternative universe

@PrivatePansy Tru

Yeah Wordpress is gross

@Wipqozn It'll keep you in work

@fredley I mean, more than one of the examples are 192.etc/index.php?led=ON with a dropdown YAY LOOK IT DID A THING

3:26 PM

@Unionhawk Use Flask, with the python subprocess module

srsly

OK

Flask is (as far as I'm concerned) the thing for tiny web apps.

Also Drupal 8 uses Twig, which seems to be based off of Django syntax, so I can pretend I'm working in Django!

My beef with Django #2: Configuration - all configuration variables are thrown into a single namespace, so you get VARIABLE_NAMES_THAT_ARE_REALLY_SENTENCES

I mean I guess on the scale of what we're doing it's tiny yeah

3:27 PM

@fredley nah you should use jquery

compared to like, you know, an actual website

Also you get to check in your encryption key into version control! Yay!

\o/

@PrivatePansy Is this different in other things? I've never come across anything that doesn't have that, at some level, for base config.

@PrivatePansy i prefer it to java's com.ohshit.where.did.i.leave.this.value.lol.wat.property

3:28 PM

@fredley Laravel explodes the config into separate files

@GodEmperorDune Yeah

@GodEmperorDune TOO MANY FOLDERS

@GodEmperorDune Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

@PrivatePansy Laravel is a PHP framework, automatic disqualification

Best thing about Django though: the migrations.

@fredley Laravel doesn't use regex for routing, so it's doing something better than Django

3:29 PM

If you have a dozen folders containing just a single sub folder eventually ending up in a single file you're doing something wrong. And you're probably also writing Java.

@fredley Oh god yes. Yes. I would use Django for this if nothing else.

@PrivatePansy Yeah, the regexes aren't great, the trade off is probably not worth it.

i mean i would like if django by default let you put settings.py folders in the apps and slurp those into the global config, like they do with urls

@fredley I really really don't understand this design decision. Even Flask doesn't ask you to use regex

And Flask is suppose to be lightweight

Why don't you guys like regexes for routing? They shouldn't get complex

3:30 PM

@PrivatePansy I maintain an app with 7+ different databases (offsite, client dbs with read-only access). This is unbelievably easy to manage in Django.

@PrivatePansy I'm not sure.

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, I don't understand this either

@KevinvanderVelden Stack Overflow's question URL. In Django - r'^questions/(?P<question_id>[0-9]+)/(?P<slug>[^/]+)?/?$'. The same in Laravel - 'questions/{question}/{slug?}'

I think it seems like a nice way of doing things

@PrivatePansy that's not the same, it would also match questions/awerawerawerawerawerawer/wipqoznistheworst

@KevinvanderVelden Sure, but that's a 404 anyway

3:33 PM

Yeah, it's overly heavy handed.

You can avoid hitting the datrabase for the 404, but eh

@PrivatePansy but SO also lets you shorten so "q/1234/5678" is valid

@PrivatePansy what's a datrabase?

@PrivatePansy You can also avoid having to write some data validation as well

@Wipqozn where the datra is stored

3:34 PM

@Wipqozn When your mom sits on the database

@PrivatePansy OH BUUUURRRN

@GodEmperorDune That's just a question of providing a different route

@GodEmperorDune Do you really want to add more complexity to that regex?

@Wipqozn A Pokémon

regexes aren't fun if you can't blow them up

3:35 PM

In both cases it would be preferrable to just create two routes that point to the same controller action

@PrivatePansy that's why you add a second route to the same thing

@PrivatePansy yes that

@PrivatePansy Probably not possible, since one uses the id, the other a slug. Those should both be trivial wrappers around something else though

my word

Drupalize.me contains a MLP reference in their video

@Wipqozn I'm not sure if I should be happy or horrified

@PrivatePansy Probably both

3:36 PM

DRUPAL IS A FRAMEWORK FOR BRONIES: DATA ACCEPTED

@fredley It's regex. Anything is possible. Including summoning the elder gods.

@PrivatePansy Can you demonstrate?

I searched my .bash_history for the line with the highest ratio of special characters to regular alphanumeric characters, and the winner was: cat out.txt | grep -o "[[(].*[])][^)]]*$" ... I have no memory of this and no idea what I was trying to do, but I sure hope it worked.

@MBraedley Sure. You just take some HTML, then you use </?woh- all MY FACE MY FACE ᵒh god no NO NOO̼OO NΘ stop the an*̶͑̾̾̅ͫ͏̙̤g͇̫͛͆̾ͫ̑͆l͖͉̗̩̳̟̍ͫͥͨe̠̅s ͎a̧͈͖r̽̾̈́͒͑e not rè̑ͧ̌aͨl̘̝̙̃ͤ͂̾̆ ZA̡͊͠͝LGΌ ISͮ̂҉̯͈͕̹̘̱ TO͇̹̺ͅƝ̴ȳ̳ TH̘Ë͖́̉ ͠P̯͍̭O̚N̐Y̡ H̸̡̪̯ͨ͊̽̅̾̎Ȩ̬̩̾͛ͪ̈́̀́͘ ̶̧̨̱̹̭̯ͧ̾ͬC̷̙̲̝͖ͭ̏ͥͮ͟Oͮ͏̮̪̝͍M̲̖͊̒ͪͩͬ̚̚͜Ȇ̴̟̟͙̞ͩ͌͝S̨̥̫͎̭ͯ̿̔̀ͅ

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Someone should make a web thing that progressively zalgoes text.

3:39 PM

Debate tonight going to be terrifying

Yup. It's literally going to be a contest of who can belittle the other most successfully.

Trump continually gaining ground is horrifying

Yup. A strong performance by Hillary in the debate could put a dent in it.

Trump bought the snapchat filter though, so...

If you weren't horrified enough yet

Everybody knows that Gary Johnson is the true candidate of millenials

The thing is I don't think Clinton stands to gain anything

3:42 PM

You see the polls just don't call cell phones so if they did he'd actually poll better because no millenials use landlines tbh you guys

Since it's a well established fact that Trump supporters by and large don't care

cc: @OkayPanic

Don't look at the now-cast

DON'T DO IT

Guys don't worry

The numbers are skewed by the ranks of closet trump supporters

@fredley /whimper

3:43 PM

I have no knowledge of statistics or math but the polls are wrong - people

What do you mean stay calm? I'm fucking calm. THIS IS MY CALM FACE CAN'T YOU TELL

For all of you who are Americans, for the sake of literally everybody on the planet: Please do your part in reaching out to people who are thinking about voting for Trump. It's hard, but please do it. Sincerely, someone who didn't think this was worth doing for Brexit.

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I would like to point out how this is pretty much entirely your fault @fredley

@fredley The problem is my contact sphere is all Clinton

3:46 PM

DON'T BE A FREDLEY: STOP TRUMP

But I should do something

@twobugs This was my issue too. I should have called my grandparents though.

@twobugs find out where the trumpists live and prevent them from voting

As the country responsible for Australia, you produced Rupert Murdoch, and thus Fox News, and more directly the UK is responsible for Milo and Farage!

@KevinvanderVelden He who fights monsters etcetera

3:47 PM

I'm not gonna say how, though, maybe the second amendment people can do something, I don't know

Our only hope is that they all go on a massive bender and don't wake up Tuesday to vote

@KevinvanderVelden The bodyguards, they should disarm immediately. Let's see what happens, right?

I've written more lines of issue documentation then I've committed code today

That kind of stuff would have sunk other candidates

Yuuki

> goes looking for US passport

3:51 PM

6 hours of work, final diff: +1 line, 20 lines of issue documentation

hahaha gotta love trigger happy turks twitter.com/beastnix/status/780425894196342784

@twobugs Your candidate's a bigot, his supporters are racists, and he's a pathological liar. What the hell do you have to lose?

Yuuki

@PrivatePansy Honestly, I think Clinton made a big mistake attacking Trump's supporters.

Blows my mind that people support Trump saying twisted stuff but Clinton points out how deplorable they're acting and she is the villain

#2016 #theendofhistory

Yuuki

Trump has enough faults on his own that you don't need to be calling out anyone else.

3:53 PM

@twobugs did... did you just write a literal tweet in chat?

@Yuuki "What the hell do you have to lose" was Donald Trump's appeal to black voters

I tweet... you decide

He said those words. In that order. It is English, but my mind can't comprehend it.

Q: Spelunky title screen flare

4:08 PM

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In Spelunky Classic, there's a flare on the title screen. I can throw on the words, but is there some use other than just for fun?

spelunky

@fredley What if Brexit was required to prove that Trump could win?

@fredley GET READY FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP

The most frustrating thing the day after he wins will be the people who say they voted for him for the lulz

@Sterno Oh god. You're right.

"I never thought he'd win!"

It'll be Brexit all over again

Well, that and no longer being able to feel superior to @fredley about the Brexit thing

@Sterno It'll depend how close it is.

4:19 PM

Much like Brexit there's a large portion of people being sold on a lie, too. It'll be interesting to see what happens when they realise the con is over :/

If clinton wins, but just barely, then I think you've still lost the right to feel superior.

NOPE

@TimStone I'm sure the USA will do the same thing the British government did, and realize that if the voters are lied to that it's only fair to have a second vote

Oh, wait, that didn't happen.

btw @fredley, if after brexit is finished brexiting you need a job just pop me a message. I can hook you up with some sweet Wordpress gigs!

People really believe that it's purely trade deals that took manufacturing jobs from them and that Trump can somehow undo that

@TimStone Also Mexicans

4:21 PM

Alas the MIGHTY HAND OF CAPITALISM and our Robot Overlords are not so easily overcome

Also the fact that some people seriously think a wall between Mexicao and Freedomland is a good idea horrifies me

What if the homegrown terrorists were trying to escape but couldn't because we built that wall? WHAT THEN?

the struggle http://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/junk-food/ https://t.co/mUwqR8hMuA

Tweeted by PDLComics on September 26, 2016 at 4:12 PM

I really should use twitter on a regular basis

I sometimes wonder if people talking about Bootstrap's name recognition is still a little bit of hype, but then I see this: play.google.com/store/apps/…

seems like it's the hip not new thing all the everyone is using

I have a fancy phone and everything

4:26 PM

@Wipqozn I find that people just link any tweets worth seeing

And no one really cares about anything you have to say

@Sterno that's true

@RedRiderX wat

@Sterno yeah, I ignore myself most of the time

@Wipqozn Until someone buys it and ruins it even more

@Wipqozn Yeah man if you want to be hip you need to get on musical.ly

@TimStone Or they decide to make their own sunglasses.

4:27 PM

Damnit Snap-now-not-chat

I'm still a bit surprised Snap would sell political filters

But maybe there isn't the much oversight...

The comic con I went to even had one.

@RedRiderX I'm sure Trump gave them enough money to not care

I'm surprised they'd make super racist filters multiple times but that is a thing that happened

@TimStone Oh my

@TimStone Right!?

@TimStone wait what

4:30 PM

But anyway bootstrap 4 seems like an improvement.

They fixed like 80% of the beefs I had with bootstrap 3.

@Wipqozn money.cnn.com/2016/04/20/technology/snapchat-blackface, money.cnn.com/2016/08/10/technology/…

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm happy I don't use snapchat

snapchat is a huge BS

the android app doesn't take pictures - it takes screenshot of current camera stream

it uses tons of data

@arda o.0

People here usually take pictures of others and Send them the others on snapchat, violating their privacy. This happened to me too. The app is designed to have no proof at all, so you don't have a legal point either.

The snap glasses will make that even worse

Need more reasons on why snapchat sucks?

Q: Getting multiple EXP. Shares

4:43 PM

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How do you get multiple EXP. Shares on Pokemon LeafGreen/FireRed Versions for Nintendo GameBoy Advance? No matter how hard I try, I can't figure it out. Is it even possible?? I feel the need to know. Thanks!

pokemon-frlg

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Q: How do you train your Pokemon in Pokemon GO when all gyms levels you can visit are too high?

I just recently started Pokemon Go, and I find myself in the situation that all Gyms I can visit in the extended area are of such high level that I get one- or two-hit killed when doing friendly matches versus other members of my team. After every match I tried, I get 0 experience points, effecti...

pokemon-go

@arda The glasses do have a light on when you're filming

You can find plenty of instances of pictures of people taken in public probably without their consent that are preserved. I don't think that's a snapchat-specific issue

@arda Is that slower or something?

And I don't think it's actually illegal to take pictures of people in public

@murgatroid99 it is very very illegal in high schools in Turkey

4:44 PM

@murgatroid99 "In public" of course not always being the setting.

@RedRiderX no idea but looks like crap

@arda Oh, yeah. That probably wouldn't really count as "public" either

then there is the underage sexting issue digitaltrends.com/social-media/…

@arda omg the Watchdogs trailer at the end of that seems like such a strange thing.

I removed snapchat as it used 2gb/MO on moderate usage

moderate = check around 50 stories/day of 20 people

4:55 PM

(sigh) this stupid ICD isn't self consistent, and if they had spent even a modicum amount of effort, it would have been so much better.

Q: Can I predict where the werecreatures will spawn?

5:15 PM

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I have mixed feelings about invaders. On one hand, I like goblin invasions, because I can loot their equipment for iron, and also because I can try various fun tactics (e.g. cages). On the other hand, I hate werecreature invasions - no loot, and messy to deal with. I can disable invasions entire...

dwarf-fortress

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Q: ps4 online connectivity issues at university

i've recently moved into uni halls and the uni internet network wont allow me to connect to online game servers such as FIFA 16 and star wars battlefront as well as gta 5. does anybody know how i could bypass the network to be able to play online games again. i've already opened ports in the uni ...

ps4

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Q: When should I buy a new dog?

Under what circumstances should I buy a new dog in Dog Sled Saga? I'm currently on my 107th day in League 2 with the same 3 dogs I started out with. I could pop up to League 3, but I'm not sure I want to pay the higher dues yet. My current team's training seems to be going well, as I've got Natu...

dog-sled-saga

My team's test infrastructure was having problems. It turns out the root cause was that the hard drives were full with 2TB of logs

Sep 23 at 17:16, by MBraedley

Jesus christ, Oracle logs, why do you have to get so big?

Test halted. Please clear ponies from Tray A and replace friendship cartridge.

We didn't get up to 2TB, though.

(Our server doesn't even have 2TB of storage.)

As far as I understand, these were fuzz test logs. We have a lot of fuzz tests

5:22 PM

log files are the worst

Don't say that around my management. They'll insist, "Okay, stop logging."

@MadMAxJr not having any logging is the worster

Well we were going to measure if it was the worst but we don't have the logs to tell us what it rated on the worst index.

We'll just have to route debug output TO THE SCREEN AT RUNTIME.

@MadMAxJr what output?

The log err... Oh.

5:32 PM

You said remove logging, not remove log files

Oh god you took management literally. You're going to get promoted.

You poor soul.

@MadMAxJr that is literally happening btw

from graduate one-year-contact to full time

I don't always fail, but when I do, I fail upwards.

You are now Chief Master badp

Even though I agree with the sentiment, I don't know how I feel about political messages being pinned in The Bridge.

5:36 PM

Please don't vote any The Bridge moderators into the US presidency.

@MadMAxJr I'd honestly vote them all to US presidency. They respect others, they aren't racists, they are smart folk.

Time to review the pending bills... Vote to close, vote to close, spam, close as duplicate...

It's been unpinned by not me

@MadMAxJr plus they have more relevant experience than trump

5:51 PM

"We have always been at war with Lifehacks."

We would expect our users to make posts, not marketing

Q: What is the name of this single player, sci-fi, fantasy, turn-based strategy game?

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It's a very old game (8-12 years ago) - single player sci-fi fantasy strategy turn-based game. In the beginning of the game, you have to choose 1 out of 4 factions (red, blue, yellow, and green). Each faction has a lead team and other follower teams. The leader of the red lead team is a human; ...

game-identification

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Q: My android froze and was replaced. unable to access my pokemon account

Because my phone froze I was unable to log out of pokemon. My phone was replaced and now I only have the option to start a new account

pokemon-go

Oh god, Luke Cage comes out this week. Not enough time to watch all the things!

I'm looking forward to the DJI Mavik announcement tomorrow

That's a drone I'm interested in

StrixVaria

@MBraedley Hopefully that's good. Daredevil season 2 lost me.

House of Cards season whatever's current also lost me.

6:05 PM

@StrixVaria Yeah, I don't think DD season 2 was as good as season 1, or Jessica Jones season 1.

@StrixVaria I got a few episodes into season 2, and haven't watched since.

StrixVaria

Jessica Jones season 1 was pretty good.

Well, maybe more than a few episodes.

This looks pretty cool

$200 is a bit much for me right now, though.

(And that's after the kickstarter discount.)

cc @spugsley @Chippies @otherPhotographers

Is there a stretch goal that includes talent? I could use that.

Disney Is Looking Into Buying Twitter (Report) $DIS $TWTR https://goo.gl/TRK0Mz https://t.co/jIpifJUBM5

Tweeted by TheWrap on September 26, 2016 at 6:09 PM

Okay

Ellesedil

@TimStone I'm not sure why Disney would want Twitter. It seems quite a bit different than the their current streams of media generation.

6:16 PM

Freeform (Formerly ABC Family) does a lot of Twitter/Snapchat tie-ins for starters, so I guess they see some value there...or something

If this results in Marvel characters tweeting one another, I'm partially okay with it.

I am ready for 'Thor learns to use Twitter'

Hmm, they also own 80% of ESPN, so SPORTS

Ellesedil

@MadMAxJr I can see Thor reading a particularly impressive tweet and then spiking his phone.

"Ha ha, I put Mjolnir on Stark's keyboard." photo

Putting a failpic on the internet of the craptactular way my isp brought broadband into my apt before the repair te… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/780469884375404544

Tweeted by hacks4pancakes on September 26, 2016 at 6:11 PM

That is impressively terrible, gg ISP technician

6:23 PM

@MBraedley the best parts of season 2 was everything with the punisher. The scenes with Karen were the worst. Not sure if it's the actor, character, or both, but I can't stand her.

@TimStone this. Twitter would like to get even more live sports action, and the backing of one of the major cable sports channels couldn't hurt.

Please no twitter feed from Jessica Jones. That is depressing enough as-is. :(

@MadMAxJr I don't think Twitter works as well for asynchronous viewing like Netflix. If they ever implement message replay, it might be doable, though.

@MBraedley its like watching replays that have the "live stream from twitter" thing at the bottom... it's all out of date references that add little value

@Wipqozn yeah i agree. i kinda wish she died in season 1 instead of the real journalist

@GodEmperorDune Yeah that dude was cool

6:47 PM

@Sterno we need to build a wall to keep these foreign meddlers out of our US elections