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fredley

4:00 PM

@GraceNote Undertale is worth your undivided attention

MadMAxJr

Do play Undertale. Don't look to closely at the fan produced content online.

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@MadMAxJr This is true for many, many things

Fandoms tend to be really bad

Fandumbs, if you will.

fredley

There is a lot of good Undertale fan content. There is a veritable Ocean of questionable-at-best fan content.

s/Undertale//

MadMAxJr

I unfortunately have friends who have gone a little too far down the rabbit hole on that one.

About a meter shy of 'Check out my skeleton OC on Deviantart'.

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Dangan Ronpa was another example of a fandom going completely off the deep end into horrible territory

ardaozkal

4:03 PM

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But Dangan Ronpa was only popular when it was a lets play so whatever

Grace Note

@fredley I did pull this on my brother the other day.

ardaozkal

I can understand the other stuff, but why did you buy Pako, mom?

fredley

@GraceNote Protip: explore Toriel's house. She has a book of skeleton jokes.

Grace Note

I'll keep in mind

two bugs

4:04 PM

I found that book.

ardaozkal

@twobugs Why did the skeleton *I forgot the rest*

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Undertale makes me want to actually make an indie game of my own but I'm not talented or funny enough

Thanks for making me more depressed, Undertale

MadMAxJr

What still baffles me is that GameMaker isn't even remotely suited for a light RPG engine like Undertale.

So Toby put some good effort into that.

I haven't used it since it got bought by yoyo games, but it used to have some serious memory leak issues.

ardaozkal

Pundertale

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Game Maker is pretty lame so any time people manage to produce something with it that works at all I'm very impressed

fredley

4:06 PM

@twobugs Undertale made me want to make a game myself

Ohnana

@ardaozkal no

fredley

I didn't think I could do it, but listening to Undertale music while writing it filled me with DETERMINATION

MadMAxJr

Apparently Nuclear Throne is also a GameMaker built title.

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Is the the roguelike? I've heard good stuff about that

MadMAxJr

I think so, I haven't looked at it myself.

We used GameMaker to build our projects in my software design and development course in college.

fredley

4:09 PM

Just learned what GameMaker is

MadMAxJr

In 9 weeks we made a simple 'Desert Storm' game where you drive a customizable tank around and blow up stuff.

fredley

Honestly it looks simpler to just code up a game in actual code than try and use it

MadMAxJr

Didn't realize how much trig math it takes to make a tank turret on a movable object determine how to point directly at the mouse cursor.

fredley

@MadMAxJr ...one piece of trig math?

MadMAxJr

It's not as simple as you'd think if you've never done it before.

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4:10 PM

I think if you look at a significant amount of GameMaker games they're just copy and pastes of one of the template games

fredley

@MadMAxJr I guess. It's always handy to have a piece of squared paper around when you're coding up games

MadMAxJr

And Gamemaker provides a large framework which is handy for people who might lack certain skills or not be familiar with certain concepts. It's not great, but it's adequate for some simple tasks.

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RPG Maker is another one I see used a lot

MadMAxJr

you can load in a sprite sheet, mark where your separators are, and it'll rig up your animations in a snap. Not writing that by hand is nice.

fredley

@MadMAxJr Yeah. I'd be scared of hitting the limits of what's possible with the program and having literally no way out though

@MadMAxJr Yeah, I can see if you've got a rigid concept it's fine

In other news, I tried to emulate tube jiggle today

streamable.com/gn07

MadMAxJr

4:12 PM

We found lots of bugs in GameMaker. Our professor told us at the end of the course that the idea was in the real world, we may not get to choose the best tool for the job and we may have to work with what we're given.

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@MadMAxJr That's actually a good lesson

fredley

@MadMAxJr Today's lesson: Life is pain with no escape

MadMAxJr

The version of Gamemaker we were using /loaded all assets into memory at start/.

Grace Note

RPGMaker is the sort of thing that you can do the lazy way or you can get REAL mileage out of it

MadMAxJr

And it didn't compress or optimize anything.

fredley

4:13 PM

@MadMAxJr :D

I'm using pyglet

ardaozkal

@fredley the fact that it works fills you with DETERMINATION

gz btw

Grace Note

It's very easy to do the easy stuff but it's also possible to just gut the whole thing and make things to your needs.

fredley

It handles Atlassing and stuff for you which is nice

MadMAxJr

We got 5 bonus points on the project for tricking the system into not loading assets into memory until our 'stage start/end' triggers were hit.

Grace Note

If you know the scripting language it uses, it's kinda nice to work with. I enjoyed working on RPGMaker XP when I had it.

Spent more time trying to figure limits and design entirely new things than actually making a project.

MadMAxJr

4:14 PM

And we got 2 points for verifying our image assets were self made or free to use.

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@GraceNote Yeah, that was my impression of it. I've seen some really lazy garbage (a lot of lazy ones on Steam, for example) but also people coding custom battle systems and everything which looked really cool

MadMAxJr

One of the guys on our team loved the work. He learned about the A* algorithm while coding our badguys.

fredley

@GraceNote This is the problem with game making

Or at least, the problem I have

Still have the mathematician's mindset of 'I have worked out how to do this, therefore the job is done'

The job is not done until all the spadework of adding actual content is done

MadMAxJr

Every time I want to do something in RPGMaker I end up running a tabletop RPG instead.

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I need to get off my butt and do some serious personal coding projects. I haven't done any in a while

A game sounds fun but also like it would be really susceptible to everything creep

fredley

4:23 PM

@twobugs Yeah. I've got a pretty solid idea for the one I'm working on

So far the creep has been minimal, but so far has only been a month

My NYR is to not have any other side projects this year

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That's a good NYR. Mine are mostly fitness related

fredley

@twobugs I still can't excercise at the levels I used to, so I can't really do those yet

I'm also not going to buy any sugary things at the supermarket.

If there's none in the house, I don't eat them

ardaozkal

regex time

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Aw, that sounds like a huge pain. I'm mainly trying to improve my cardio fitness since I need more motivation for that

fredley

@twobugs My cardio fitness is still ok, but I'd really like to get into strength training

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4:30 PM

I kinda like strength training. I just kind of focus on my form and pushing myself and it's not too bad

I try to avoid getting competitive or whatever and just focus on making personal progress

fredley

@twobugs I'm just more into getting to a bit higher level, I don't want to get swole or anything

Grace Note

@fredley Funny enough, my resolution was to solidly work on a side project now

fredley

It would mainly be for better core strength

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Fifa 16 Who Are The Highest Potential Players On Career Mode

Im Wanting to make a squad with the highest potential players so could you tell me the highest potential for each position for a 4-4-2

fifa-16

fredley

@GraceNote Last year I went 100% completionist, tried to publish, publicly, something every month

Made it to Sept

And cheated a lot

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4:33 PM

Same, I just want to build some muscle and improve my general health and fitness. Not trying to be a bodybuilder or an athlete. Just have some fun.

Grace Note

That's pretty good progress

Yuuki

Hmm... I just realized that I still haven't gotten my tax refund.

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@Yuuki From last year? Yikes

fredley

@GraceNote Yeah, it was good, and finishing things has always been my weak point

But one a month is hard work, and everything ended up being trivially small

Which is a good thing in its own way

Set me up for this year anyway

Although the amount of stuff I'm going to need to draw for this game is quickly becoming apparent, and is very daunting

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That sounds like a good change of pace from one monolithic side project. Probably got you to experiment with different tech as well I bet

fredley

4:34 PM

@twobugs Yeah a bit, and get over publication fear a bit

nukeforum

@fredley are you doing free weights?

for working out

fredley

@nukeforum No, I am banned from heavy lifting for a few more months

nukeforum

I see

fredley

But I would be using them, yes

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