The Bridge

Ronan Forman

4:00 PM

@GnomeSlice Gotcha.

Mana

What, is this for the Facebook page?

Wipqozn

@Mana Yes

GnomeSlice

@Mana Yes. @RonanForman brought up that the page URL is really long.

Ronan Forman

7 mins ago, by Ronan Forman

Is there any way to get a shorter facebook link than this: http://www.facebook.com/pages/GamingStackExchange/154617661300474?sk=wall

user30

@Wipqozn yes.

GnomeSlice

4:00 PM

Getting a username would allow it to be shortened to say, 'facebook.com/gaming.se'

Ronan Forman

@Mana Are you up for a magicka game later?

GnomeSlice

However, you cant change usernames later, so I think I should talk to @DavidFullerton first.

I don't have Magicka

@Mana Free Weekend!

wut

4:02 PM

oh look

Wipqozn

@Mana Free (adverb): Without cost or payment

badp

It is not actually true that you must play the TF2 tutorial first

user30

You're not actually true

badp

@ThomasMcDonald You're a tutorial.

Lazers

0

Q: Where can I find a full list of dungeons?

In order to figure out how each dungeon is cleared, it would be very nice to have a full list of them. I have heard that there are 130, is that correct? Where can I find a list of dungeons in Skyrim? UESP seems to list places in general, but has no dungeons category. Wikia, the site I don't real...

skyrim

Ronan Forman

4:04 PM

Sep 25 at 17:20, by Ronan Forman

I'm a duck!

user30

@GnomeSlice ಠ_ಠ

GnomeSlice

@ThomasMcDonald What?

I didn't star any of those.

user30

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/37242/revisions

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GnomeSlice See: Meta.

GnomeSlice

=[

Mana

4:08 PM

@GnomeSlice Please don't add the murder tag back, even as a joke

2

let's just play it cool yo on the tags situation.

GnomeSlice

I thought there was talk on MSO about how having a few things like that were harmless.

Ronan Forman

I'll change the link when we get one.

user30

@GnomeSlice Jeff deleted it, I think that generally conveys his opinion on the tag

Ronan Forman

What'd y'all think?

So @Mana will you join us?

Mana

@RonanForman Magicka just finished downloading

GnomeSlice

4:10 PM

I don't give a shit about "Jeff's opinion".

Ronan Forman

And @GnomeSlice was never seen again whooooooohhhhhh...

Mana

@RonanForman The mothership seems out of place

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Try switching the UFO by 'ask' to a question mark of some kind.

Ronan Forman

@Mana I'll take that as a yes.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Should probably monochromify the Mothership

That would fix it IMO

Ronan Forman

4:12 PM

I'll try both.

Mana

@LessPop_MoreFizz I was about to suggest that you smart man you

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I'm surprised @ArdaXi didn't magically appear when you said that to agree with you

badp

@GnomeSlice Jeff owns the place.

Never forget that.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn I'm not.

Stack Exchange

0

Q: Why all of my ports are not open or reachable? how can i open them

I was testing the ports because WoW(3724 TCP 6112 TCP 6881-6999 TCP) couldn't connect to the internet so i downloaded PFPortChecker application and run it using Wine(1.3) and after i tried to check every port it seems like it's not reachable/closed why is that? my firewall is off so why is this h...

internet games

badp

4:16 PM

This is Jeff's and Joel's site. It is theirs. Their site, their rules.

GnomeSlice

@badp Maybe so but "community driven".

badp

@GnomeSlice It's not black and white. Jeff and Joel don't put diktats on everything and most of the time they let the communities choose for themselves.

Mana

@GnomeSlice So, this is an argument that I see come up a lot and I don't quite get it. I believe that it's normal that even on a site that is mostly community-driven, the admins should ultimately be able to have the final say and have the right to force changes.

GnomeSlice

I agree with that.

It's just... what's the harm?

Ronan Forman

Wipqozn

4:18 PM

@Mana I think the issue people have is how often Jeff goes against the community.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman I still think you should try it with a [stylized] question mark.

Mana

We have been given plenty of time to sort out these kinds of situations, and ultimately, our tagging system still became a mess. So now a bunch of problematic tags have been killed, without bogging down our front page.

GnomeSlice

I don't really see how [murder] was problematic.

It's not like there were 300 questions tagged with it.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice It's not professional. Since SE is trying to promote gaming more now, it's understandable they are going to want to remove things like that to improve the image of the site.

GnomeSlice

Oh, and this is?

157

Q: The Many Memes of Meta

The term "Internet Meme" is used to describe a catchphrase or concept that spreads quickly from person to person via the Internet (see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme_(Internet) for more details) Stack Overflow and now even more predominantly Meta Stack Overflow has seen more than its fair share of ...

support faq memes

Wipqozn

4:21 PM

@GnomeSlice I honestly don't see why you have such a problem with the murder tag being gone.

GnomeSlice

BECAUSE.

IT WAS MY ONLY SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE SITE.

2

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I thought gracenote was the one who started it?

GnomeSlice

Apparently she said something about murderers before, but I created the tag on a whim for one of my die2nite questions.

badp

She was. He started the whole murder thing.

GnomeSlice

I hadn't heard of that at all when I created the tag.

Lol @ my father.

Wipqozn

4:25 PM

When did Jeff start removing the murder tag?

Ronan Forman

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman I like that a lot better, but the ? looks kind of cancerous.

Ronan Forman

I prefer the mothership. I call a vote!

GnomeSlice

Star this if you like the ? version better.

Wipqozn

@RonanForman I prefer this version

Star this if you prefer the ? version

Mana

4:28 PM

@Wipqozn Well, it kinda started and stopped at the exact same time.

GnomeSlice

I meant star MY message, but okay.

Ronan Forman

@Mana You have the deciding vote!

you know, just arbitrarily.

Mana

@RonanForman question box one, although I think the Gaming.stackexchange font is a bit small

Wipqozn

There. Edited the meta.

7

A: The Memes of Gaming Stack Exchange and its Chat

Meme: murder tag. Originator: GnomeSlice. Cultural Height: Probably about Here. Murdered on: November 17th, 2011 Background: Can I kill everybody? deus-ex I originally wanted to pop a quick joke on how it seems that everywhere I'll look on this site, I'll find a mass-murderer, but it see...

Added in the date of its murder

Grace Note

The harm is that junk tags such as murder sticking around are half the reason why Jeff won't let us have special game tags.

Between having a little fun and getting great functionality that'd really help the site, I'd really push for the latter.

Ronan Forman

4:30 PM

@Mana When the facebook page gets a proper URL that's going there, and I'll sort out size then.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote But I'm SURE I remember reading somewhere in a discussion about this kind of thing that as long as it doesn't get out of control, harmless fun like that is fine.

Grace Note

You've made a lot of great contributions to the site, @GnomeSlice. Please don't add "stalled progress" to that list.

@GnomeSlice I just explained that it wasn't harmless.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote Isn't that already on there?

Grace Note

No, it isn't. You haven't really stalled anything.

Ronan Forman

5

A: The Memes of Gaming Stack Exchange and its Chat

Meme: Photoshopping Mana's avatar onto other photos Originator: Ronan Forman Cultural Height: Anytime mana enters a room Background: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/1425948#1425948

I think the height is here:

Oct 23 at 17:16, by Ronan Forman

Wipqozn

4:32 PM

@RonanForman Agreed.

You should edit that in.

Grace Note

I mean, you have 47k views on one of your questions.

Your top 6 questions account for 58k views in total. That's excellent. Don't play yourself for a non-contributor.

Wipqozn

Not to mention this is probably one of the highest upvoted answers on the site

Ronan Forman

Saying you're useless is for everyone else to do.

3

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote ...Wow, that's still going up?

@Wipqozn That's just silly.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Also you inspired this: nanor-131.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4bpji8

Wipqozn

4:36 PM

@RonanForman a common problem.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman ...I inspired your deviantart page? I don't get it.

Oh, it finished loading.

Wipqozn

Grace Note

A lot of us loved murder. Even many of us who knew it was a terrible tag, we still found its application humorous and the concept gave us entertainment. We're sad to see it go, but we're enduring its loss so that we can pave a way to a much greater future.

11

GnomeSlice

But see, humorous questions used to be my thing, and now with Skyrim, they're everywhere.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Yeah but they're about skyrim and so don't count.

Wipqozn

4:38 PM

@GraceNote You should give the eulogy at the funeral of murder

Ronan Forman

We must be the only people who want more murder.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote You should be the president or something.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice She's the president of meta, he is.

badp

I'm disappointed that I can't get sound out of TF2 in wine.

user30

22 mins ago, by Mana

@GnomeSlice So, this is an argument that I see come up a lot and I don't quite get it. I believe that it's normal that even on a site that is mostly community-driven, the admins should ultimately be able to have the final say and have the right to force changes.

GnomeSlice

4:39 PM

Can we just stop with the 'he' 'she' jokes? I'm uncomfortable enough as it is.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GnomeSlice No, you should be the president. Of murder.

GnomeSlice

@ThomasMcDonald And I said I agree with that.

badp

There's no message in the TF2 console

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice No.

Grace Note

Crepes, I should've just used "she" in my blog post...

Ronan Forman

4:40 PM

Do @ThomasMcDonald and @Mana have mumble?

user30

@Mana but yet some occasional correspondence indicating that x is going to happen once in a while would be nice...

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GraceNote Stop making me hungry.

user30

@rona yes

Ronan Forman

@ThomasMcDonald What's wrong with the n? Are you taking a redundancy reducing initiative?

Grace Note

@LessPop_MoreFizz I have the advantage of not having eaten crepes.

user30

4:41 PM

@ronanfor the exact same way you ping me with @thom.

GnomeSlice

I always feel like if I go back to saying 'crepe' like I used to, everyone will just think I'm copying @GraceNote.

Ronan Forman

I suppose so.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice stop copying gracenote

Ronan Forman

@Wipqozn I think Grace pinged once, stop copying Grace!

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice I wouldn't blame you. Besides, it's stolen goods for me anyway.

GnomeSlice

4:43 PM

Lolwhat.

Ronan Forman

I have a plan @GraceNote Do you have mumble?

Grace Note

@RonanForman Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... NO.

Ronan Forman

@GraceNote blast! Foiled again!

Grace Note

You need to put in at least as much effort as LessPop did.

user30

Wipqozn

4:46 PM

That was a silly plan @RonanForman

Everyone, let us have a photo contest! Everyone take a picture of themselves

@GraceNote Go on

Grace Note

@Wipqozn @LessPop met me at PAX.

user30

I took a picture of @Ronan.

Wipqozn

@GraceNote Impressive.

did he have some form of @GraceNote detecting radar?

Ronan Forman

@LessPopMoreFizz Spill the beans!

Grace Note

No, we arranged it early and I even called him on the phone.

Ronan Forman

4:47 PM

@Wipqozn He just looked for the anime character, there aren't that many outside of Japan.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn You can find her photo on the StackExchange employee thing.

Something's up with Chrome.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I'm aware.

GnomeSlice

I think I might have too many extensions installed.

Ronan Forman

I'm pretty sure she's not Mr. Saturn.

GnomeSlice

I don't think it was Mr. Saturn.

Grace Note

4:49 PM

It's a duck

Ronan Forman

@GraceNote But I'm a duck!

Wipqozn

@RonanForman omg! IT's destiny!

Ronan Forman

We must have a rap battle to see who's the better duck. Grace, get your mic ready!

GnomeSlice

We should pitch it to the guys behind the 'Epic Rap Battles of History'.

►

Lazers

1

Q: How do I get out of third person view?

So, I've finally obtained the Werewolf form. After returning out of the form, fully naked... I seem to be stuck in third person view! How can I fix this? Scrolling or pressing F does not work. I want to get back in first person view...

skyrim

0

Q: What would this horadric cube recipe exactly do?

I am in act 2 of Diablo 2 (nightmare) and am getting better runes every now and then, around Amn, Sheal etc I have an amazon companion with a bow I found that is good. It is rare with +100% or so damage and +50 poison damage and some to attack rating. Now I saw this recipe in arreat summit: ...

diablo-2

1

Q: Who are all the fences?

I have unlocked a few fences along the way in the Thieves' Guild but I can't remember who they were or where they are. Does anyone have a comprehensive list of all the fences in Skyrim?

skyrim

Ronan Forman

4:53 PM

Anyway I'm off, see you in 2 hours.

Lazers

5:16 PM

0

Q: Catching suspects alive

During street crimes, is there any benefit from catching suspects alive instead of shooting them or getting them killed otherwise? In the mission "Cosmic rays" for example the suspect kills himself if you don't catch him quick enough. Does this affect your progress somehow?

la-noire

Arda Xi

5:31 PM

@Wipqozn Because it's GnomeSlice. You won't see me agree with a sliced gnome.

Lazers

0

Q: Advantages of hard mode in minecraft

In Minecraft, why would you want to play on any difficult than easy? Are there better rewards or something?

minecraft

4

Q: What do these symbols mean?

I'm seeing these symbols everywhere. Merchant stalls, houses, etc. What do they represent? Are there more?

skyrim

Ronan Forman

@Arda I think GnomeSlice said that earlier.

Powerlord

Yay, Red Card in Metal Gear 2.

Modern Warfare 3 Questions

0

Q: What is that square bomb you plant on doors before breaching into a room and going into bullet time?

Before you and your comrades breach into a room to save a prisoner and enter bullet time to kill off some guards, you will almost-always place a large, flat, square bomb on the door. Q1: What is that large, flat, square bomb called? Q2: Unlike C4, why can you stand right in front of & besid...

modern-warfare-3

Ronan Forman

Why is that feed still up?

Feeds

5:44 PM

Grace Note has stopped a feed from being posted into this room

Ronan Forman

Do you not need to edit lasers too?

David Fullerton

@GnomeSlice maybe...we're working on some ideas to breathe some life into our Twitter / Facebook / G+ pages. Advertising would wait for that, and probably we'd want to target users on our own site first to build it up a bit (so we're not advertising a group with 15 people in it to random FB users)

@GnomeSlice if that's the case, don't change the name. We're hoping to settle on a brand / domain name in the next few weeks

Arda Xi

@StackExchange applauds @GraceNote

Lazers

1

Q: Technical-Support Tag usage

I was trying to edit a question to include the tag for "technical-support" when someone had a question about setting up their laptop monitor for gaming: Using a laptop as the monitor for a console The edit was rejected on the grounds of this: The technical-support tag should be used when th...

discussion

Ronan Forman

6:01 PM

@David Do you know if zelda has been ordered yet?

Lazers

3

Q: Is there a way to disable the intro video of Skyrim?

Given that the loading part is fast enough by itself, I have seen the intro video showing Bethesda enough by now. When launching the game I want to play as fast as possible, espectially when I quickly need to check something. Is it possible to disable the intro video?

skyrim cinematic

David Fullerton

@RonanForman not sure, I'd have to check with @Brett

Mana

@Lazers waaagh

Ronan Forman

Oh of course on Saturday he's not going to be across the room.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@RonanForman 1) Lazers is part of the feeds list, and can be edited through the same process. 2) Lazers is fine. the problem with the MW3 feed is it's redundant.

Ronan Forman

6:04 PM

@LessPop Just checking.

David Fullerton

@RonanForman nope, Saturday we get to work from home!

good thing playing Skyrim counts as work now

LessPop_MoreFizz

@DavidFullerton I never get to work from home. :(

Aside from occasional bits of administrivia that need to be done before and after.

user30

@Ronan I might be 10 minutes late.

Ronan Forman

@David Are you actually working on weekends or is that a joke about how you always end up working anyway?

David Fullerton

no we don't actually work on weekends...usually

Ronan Forman

6:06 PM

@Thomas That's fine.

David Fullerton

and Skyrim doesn't really count as working :(

Ronan Forman

@Mana warrrggg?

Mana

@RonanForman whaaargarrrbl

Wipqozn

@DavidFullerton Jeff and Joel won't pay you for playing Skyrim? Those monsters.

Mana

@Wipqozn I think you a word

Ronan Forman

6:08 PM

@Mana Have you got mumble?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Mana No way that sentence totally coherent.

Mana

@RonanForman Downloading now

LessPop_MoreFizz

Is it wierd that I have viciously avoided reinstalling mumble/vent since quitting WoW?

Ronan Forman

The server is mumble.stackgaming.com

Wipqozn

Praise be to @Mana!

Ronan Forman

6:11 PM

I hat--- LOVE mana!

Grace Note

@LessPop_MoreFizz Which I fixed

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Wipqozn: I think you're misreading the 'burning' description.

It's not a bonus to further damage, it's a DoT.

@GraceNote Yes. I was responding to @RonanForman's assertion that something needed to be done with Lazers too.

Grace Note

Ah

Wipqozn

@LessPop_MoreFizz oh really? In that case, post that as an answer.

Lazers

-1

Q: Identify this game questions based solely on music

Is it valid to ask for identification of a game just from a piece of music? A certain level of detailed information is clearly required for a good identify question. However, virtually all of us at some point have heard a piece of videogame music out of context somewhere like a Youtube video that...

discussion identify-this-game

LessPop_MoreFizz

6:21 PM

@Wipqozn The question is fundamentally sound. Read my comment. :P

@Wipqozn (I don't know the actual numbers, but it is a DoT, not a vulnerability.)

Ugh, 80 rep left on the table today already. :(

Lazers

2

Q: Can dismissed companions be trusted with my loot?

So I've beein running around questing with Uthgerd the Unbroken (lady from The Bannered Mane in Whiterun, I beat her in a brawl and now she's my pack mule). She has loot from three dragons and one dungeon, so it's pretty precious. Now I just started a new quest with The Companions, that gave me a...

skyrim companions

0

Q: Clearing an invalidated quest from the journal

So... Long story short, I killed Melka. I got frustrated because the gate said Press E to Open Gate and it simply would not. I gave up at the time (several actual days ago) and am just now going through my Miscellaneous quests to clean them out of my log. Today I walked up and saw, oh... there's ...

skyrim quests

1

Q: How much extra damage do burning enemies take?

I know that burning enemies take extra damage from attacks, but how much? Also, does this apply to all types of damage, or only some?

skyrim

Arda Xi

@Lazers I'm very strict about ITG I would allow. They at least have to be not an ITG question.

@LessPopMoreFizz Less SE, more Shazam.

LessPop_MoreFizz

6:36 PM

I AM NOT SHAZAM.

At the very least, let me be Soundhound. It's more accurate.

badp

Computers are very poorly equipped for recognition tasks.

Humans are so much better at this.

Asking a human to do recognition tasks hardly looks demeaning.

Arda Xi

@badp However, human memory is vastly inferior.

The difference in "database capacity" between humans and computers is so big that the recognition difference is negligible.

badp

@ArdaXi You just can't compare human memory and computer memory.

They're not the same kind of memory.

Powerlord

Speaking of which, since Warner Bros. admits to having serving DMCA takedown notices to things they don't own due to misdetections by their algorithms, why aren't they being charged for a felony count for each one they filed, as per the DMCA?

Arda Xi

@badp You can roughly compare capacity though.

Computers can recognise so much more music than humans can.

badp

6:41 PM

and recognize it poorly

anyway - I'm out or I'll miss too much Magicka (I'll be 20-25 minutes late)

Powerlord

@ArdaXi Database size isn't the problem... detection is an analog concept, and computers, being digital, are terrible at analog tasks

Arda Xi

Recognising a million songs poorly is better than recognising a couple dozen very well.

@Powerlord Yes, but computers are getting better at it.

Ian Pugsley

@Powerlord (about the DMCA takedowns) - because apparently even people who use the DMCA to defend their IP don't actually follow the DMCA

Arda Xi

@IanPugsley Does anyone?

Ian Pugsley

not in my experience

GnomeSlice

6:45 PM

@DavidFullerton Since you're now an admin of the page, I think it's probably best if you handle that stuff.

Powerlord

That's OK, we're introducing a new law that will those pesky "proof" things redundant and the US government will just order the site to be removed from DNS world-wide just because the RIAA or MPAA said something was infringing.

Speaking of which, I hear the EU is taking the US Government to task over that.

Ian Pugsley

seriously, if PIPA/SOPA passes I'll start a commune or something

Powerlord

Of course, that's if it becomes a law. Personally, I think the people of the United States should use this as a test: Any member of our government who votes for this bill should be kicked out of the legislature and barred from holding political office ever again.

Ian Pugsley

Unfortunately the average American knows very little to nothing about copyright, intellectual property, or the possible consequences of PIPA/SOPA...

it'll certainly be a good measurement for me personally

Powerlord

@IanPugsley Explain to your mom or aunt or grandparent that those funny cat videos they like watching will go away.

Ian Pugsley

6:49 PM

the best part is that it makes no sense whatsoever from a technical standpoint - they wouldn't even shut the site down, just remove the DNS entries

you'll still be able to access the sites via IP

Arda Xi

@Powerlord The US can't order world-wide DNS removal.

Ian Pugsley

that's literally in the letter of the law, and it's making things that much more complicated and stupid

OrigamiRobot

@Powerlord - saying that those WILL go away is just as wrong

Ian Pugsley

yeah @Powerlord, it's US-only

Arda Xi

@IanPugsley Not really. Many, many sites will be broken if you can only access them by IP.

Powerlord

6:50 PM

@ArdaXi They can order it removed from the A root, which is mirrored by the other... 16? root DNS servers.

Arda Xi

The FBI also hijacks websites by rerouting their DNS.

@Powerlord And branches will form that won't.

Ian Pugsley

@ArdaXi I'm not saying it's not effective at all, it's just not what they're even aiming at

Arda Xi

@IanPugsley It's a lot easier than the alternatives.

Like @Powerlord just explained, it only takes one button.

It's a one-size-fits-all solution.

Ian Pugsley

I suppose that's probably true

Powerlord

@ArdaXi Yes, and that has its own problems, because you'll be running two or more competing name systems.

Ian Pugsley

6:53 PM

despite that, it's a lousy piece of prospective legislation

and if it manages to pass I'll be pretty pissed

and if Obama doesn't veto it, I'll be double pissed

Powerlord

Actually, didn't the US government promise not to do exactly what SOPA says they can do back in 2008ish, which got the EU off their case back then?

Arda Xi

@Powerlord How are they going to block a .nl domain, for example?

Wipqozn

Are we talking about the latest copyright policy act or what have you?

Arda Xi

That would require SIDN to co-operate.

OrigamiRobot

Maybe the whole thing is an effort to make the average American more tech savvy

Wipqozn

6:54 PM

Don't allow people to visit sites found of hosting copyrighted content?

Powerlord

@ArdaXi Whoops, yeah, did I say A root earlier? You're right, it'd have to be on the .com root (for example).

Ian Pugsley

@Wipqozn yeah, PIPA/SOPA

Powerlord

So, while they couldn't affect .nl (without killing all of .nl), they can kill off .com, .net, .org, or any other US-based systems.

Arda Xi

@Powerlord Exactly.

Wipqozn

I wonder how long it till take for the government to stop interfering and tell the music industry to realize their business model obviously doesn't work in the current day, so find a new one.

Arda Xi

6:56 PM

So if passed, SOPA will kill VeriSign.

Powerlord

@ArdaXi VeriSign lost control of .net and .org a few years back, didn't they?

Arda Xi

@Powerlord Definitely not.

I renewed a .net domain a few months ago, and the agreement was signed by VeriSign.

Powerlord

Hmm, they still have .net, but .org is now operated by the Public Interest Registry

user30

@RonanForman you won't see me / now I'm here