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Csabi

7:00 PM

some adventure game where you breed a monster/pet

Loktar

Well there Monster Hunter

Csabi

because i do not find any recently

Loktar

but thats a bit different I suppose

Raven Dreamer

Unfortunately, PS3 is not my console of choice, so I have no idea. Sorry!

Loktar

@Csabi youtube.com/watch?v=vLIM8mCx_gQ

not sure if its out yet however for PS3

Csabi

7:01 PM

thanks

Loktar

You can breed in those games too

np

Csabi

:)

GnomeSlice

@Loktar What is it with you and breeding?

Loktar

I think anyway

haha @GnomeSlice

Monster Hunter is insane.. so many hours of gameplay.. like an MMO

Arda Xi

Why do people always say "free and open-source"? To this day I have seen only one open-source project that was not free.

And even that one I got for free.

Fabian

7:07 PM

@GraceNote The problem I see with a launch party or something like that is that we all don't get the game at the same time. We'll have lots of people asking questions anyway I hope.

Raven Dreamer

Because the difference is between "free" and "free AND open-source"

Not every free thing is open source.

badp

Not every open source thing is free

Arda Xi

So just say "open-source" and have the "free" be implied.

Raven Dreamer

Your interpretation would make sense if they listed it as "open-source and free"

Arda Xi

@badp Like I said, I know of only one exception.

Grace Note

7:08 PM

@Fabian Aye, I'm not sure what we could or should do, but there's lots of rumblings that we should try to do something.

badp

@ArdaXi Yeah, OpenSTV isn't the way I'd like to imagine paid open source being done

Raven Dreamer

We could do a blogpost of "The faces of Skyrim" where everyone submits a screenshot of their character post creation, and then we make a collage out of it.

Fabian

@GraceNote Skyrim is likely the biggest launch in the near future and also a kind of game that fits really well with our Q&A format

Arda Xi

@badp It's the only way it can be done.

Grace Note

Exactly. Hands down, back when I did the first round scramblings back in May, Skyrim was at the top. It's highly anticipated

badp

7:09 PM

@ArdaXi It's the only way it can be done if you look at it as a business, yes

Fabian

@ArdaXi I'll add another exception, Pymol, it's open source but you have to pay for the newest binaries.

Raven Dreamer

We're gonna get a hellova lotta traffic come November.

Arda Xi

@badp How else would you do it?

Raven Dreamer

Minecraft updates generate lots of traffic too, and that comes a week later.

Csabi

and another question, why do not make games of Play Station series for PS3 like that Digimon it was on ps1 and ps2 too but not ps3 or Monster rancher

badp

7:10 PM

@ArdaXi It's Python. Getting a working .exe out of it isn't easy. Getting it to work directly from the .py files isn't stupid easy either

Csabi

or that is no clever reason

?

Arda Xi

@badp I mean, how else would you like to imagine paid open-source being done.

badp

He could very safely keep the source code open and just sell the installer

at the very least for the Windows version

Raven Dreamer

@Csabi There is probably no clever reason. For whatever reason, it was decided that the game would not be profitable to produce, so it was not made.

Grace Note

@Csabi Porting is hard work, and if the series doesn't continue, new ones aren't made.

badp

7:11 PM

@ArdaXi If you want the compiled version plus installer, pay.

Arda Xi

@badp I can take the PyMOL source, get it to compile and spread the binaries.

I can pay for the installer and spread that too.

badp

@ArdaXi I can do the same with OpenSTV

Arda Xi

Nothing he can do about it.

badp

and it'd be legal too

Arda Xi

Exactly.

Fabian

7:12 PM

@ArdaXi I can compile it on Linux, I never managed on Windows

badp

So your point is invalid

Arda Xi

So the whole premise of paid open-source is backwards.

Csabi

@GraceNote but they are makig new but for PC MMORPG DIgimon online/Monster rancher online or for Nintendo DS

Arda Xi

@badp No, the concept of paid open-source is invalid.

Csabi

I do not understand why not for ps3

Grace Note

7:12 PM

@Csabi Neither of which are Sony

Fabian

@ArdaXi It's not an insourmountably hurdle, but for a relatively niche application it can be enough

badp

Nah, I can very well see it as a matter of convenience. If you want to hack on it, just do it. If you want to just use it, pay.

Csabi

@GraceNote that is true

badp

Even for Python you'd have to get Python working, change the PATH, acquire the dependencies, get those working... it's effort

when you have the .exe you also get the source to the installer script... but you still need the installer maker thing to use that... etc.

Arda Xi

Effort I can take for you.

Fabian

7:15 PM

@badp In the case of Pymol I have the impression that the Windows build process is intentionally not well documented to prevent people from compiling it. It's a bit shizophrenic.

badp

then a new version comes out.

Csabi

bye thanks for help good night

badp

@Csabi nite

Grace Note

G'nite, @Csabi!

badp

besides most companies that want to profit off software, profit off support, not the software itself

bbl pizza

Martin Sojka

7:19 PM

Hmm, RPG.SE's chat is all but deserted, and boardgames.SE doesn't seem to even have one. So ... anyone here besides me going to the gaming fair in Essen this week-end? :)

Arda Xi

Which?

FallenAngelEyes

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@ArdaXi merz-verlag.com/spiel/e000.php4

FallenAngelEyes

@MartinSojka I wish I was going!

Martin Sojka

@FallenAngelEyes Yeah. Pretty dead. :D

Arda Xi

7:26 PM

Ah, Germany.

FallenAngelEyes

Agricola expansion, Dominion expansion, and especially Elder Sign are things I'm interested in hearing about

Raven Dreamer

Germany is kinda an awesome place.

I still want to move to Sweeden if anywhere, though.

FallenAngelEyes

@RavenDreamer Sweeeeeeeeeden

Raven Dreamer

Oh, Blizzcon's going on right now, isn't it?

FallenAngelEyes

'tis

one of my best friends is there atm

with instructions to get me Infested Kerrigan swag if she comes across any :3

Raven Dreamer

7:36 PM

Mists of Pandaria is really the next expansion?

FallenAngelEyes

Apparently

Raven Dreamer

We go from... world-destroying dragons to....... evil pandas?

Powerlord

@FallenAngelEyes You play Dominion?

FallenAngelEyes

Question, WoW announced this annual pass thing. Did they not have an option to pay for 12 months subscription before this at all? Or is this just the announcement of a bonus for doing so?

Arda Xi

@MartinSojka Hrm, I never hear about these things.

FallenAngelEyes

7:38 PM

@Powerlord On occasion, yes. :) I really like it a lot. I don't have a copy myself though, so I only play on boardgames days at my friend's house when we decide to play that one.

I can see getting really addicted to it, which is one of the reasons I haven't purchased a copy for myself. The MtG aspect of buying more and more and more to get into deckbuilding could get expensive quick, and I don't get a chance to play it often enough to justify that.

Raven Dreamer

@FallenAngelEyes They only had up to 6 months before.

FallenAngelEyes

@RavenDreamer Seriously? O_o That's... wow. That really really surprises me.

Raven Dreamer

That's exactly wow.

FallenAngelEyes

Though I guess that's part of why Blizzard has so much money. 12 month subs are usually cheaper than their monthly counterparts when you calculate it per month.

@RavenDreamer Hush you, you know what I mean :P

Raven Dreamer

knuckles @FallenAngelEyes hair

I'm just messin wit ya

Seriously though.

Mists of Pandaria

That's quite the departure.

FallenAngelEyes

7:41 PM

@RavenDreamer If you ever did that to me IRL I would probably punch you in the ribs

@RavenDreamer Is it really pandas or were you just being facetious?

Raven Dreamer

@FallenAngelEyes But with love, right?

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FallenAngelEyes

<- has never played WarCraft

Raven Dreamer

It's really pandas.

Powerlord

You can actually try WoW for free now, but you have a 20 level and 10 gold piece limit, iirc

FallenAngelEyes

@RavenDreamer I... this... what

Powerlord

7:44 PM

WoW is seriously introducing Pandarans, though?

Raven Dreamer

And a new class

It's like I said.

FallenAngelEyes

@Powerlord Yeah I know, no desire to though. I played open beta the week before it was released and that was enough for me.

And a new continent

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I've recently bought a Logitech M570 and am an avid gamer. I used to have my Windows sensitivity 6/11 with my Logitech sensitivty setting on the highest and realized that I was having trouble when needing to do minimal motions (clicking on a small button or copying pasting a few words in a line);...

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Raven Dreamer

They go from GIANT DRAGONS and BURNING LEGIONS OF DEMONS, and THE LICH KING HIMSELF to

Pandas.

Powerlord

Pandarans were a joke in WarCraft 3.

Raven Dreamer

7:45 PM

Just, pandas.

FallenAngelEyes

@Powerlord like the cow level in Diablo type of joke?

Raven Dreamer

Wait - Protoss get Siege Tanks now?

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Powerlord

@FallenAngelEyes iirc, WarCraft 3 had a single Pandaran in it in one of the maps, hidden where you had to chop through a large set of trees to reach it.

FallenAngelEyes

@Powerlord Gotcha

Powerlord

And now WoW is having an expansion named after them. Oh, and one other thing I noticed that makes me wonder if Blizzard is trolling: Which side are Pandarans on?

There are 0 races that are available to both the Horde and Alliance sides.

FallenAngelEyes

7:49 PM

Oh really? Huh

Powerlord

(looking at the site, Pandarans are supposed to be available to both factions)

Raven Dreamer

Yeah, but that's not unexpected.

Honestly, the whole "racial faction" thing is sorta contrived.

Given that the ALliance winds up fighting 50% humans

Powerlord

Also, Blizzard's throwing out the talent system they just introduced in the last expansion in favor of another new one?

Raven Dreamer

@Powerlord Yeah, that made me wonder also.

Ha! One of the heroes in Blizzard Dota is a siegetank.

Just... a siegetank.

Powerlord

Huh, Monk will be available to every race except Goblin and Worgen.

Raven Dreamer

7:52 PM

That sounds needlessly contrived also.

I can't imagine ever cosplaying as something like this.

Powerlord

First WoW expansion that has no clear-cut enemy. Burning Crusade had Illidain, WotLK had the Lich King, Cataclysm had Deathwing...

Raven Dreamer

That costume does not look comfortable.

FallenAngelEyes

@RavenDreamer what is she

Though I did see someone at Gamescom cosplaying as a Pylon

Raven Dreamer

@Powerlord Yeah, that was my thing. "Blizzard Everyone's going to Pandaria!" "Me: why?"

FallenAngelEyes

I can't imagine how hot they were

Raven Dreamer

7:55 PM

FallenAngelEyes

@RavenDreamer and what is that?

GnomeSlice

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Raven Dreamer

@FallenAngelEyes A unit from starcraft called a baneling

FallenAngelEyes

Oh okay

GnomeSlice

That video would have explained it.

Raven Dreamer

8:00 PM

Skyward Sword got a 10/10 from edge

next-gen.biz/reviews/legend-zelda-skyward-sword-review

@Powerlord ^

Ronan Forman

Be warned the greatest @Mana-fication will be made some time over the weekend.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Oh joy.

Lazers

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Powerlord

whomever asked about the WoW annual pass thing: If you read up, it's not actually a subscription. It's basically an agreement that you'll keep your WoW account going for a year after you sign up (oh, and it doesn't apply to new accounts)

So, essentially, if you already subscribe to WoW, as long as you intend to stay subscribed, there's no downside to it.

Oh, and months you've already paid for on your account count towards that year. But only from the time you sign up.

Arda Xi

@Powerlord So it's basically "we lock you in for a year and you get in-game stuff."

Marco Ceppi

8:26 PM

Damnit @Mana ;__; I got sucked in again

Arda Xi

@MarcoCeppi Don't stop now.

Marco Ceppi

I have to

I just realized it was on repeat again

Arda Xi

But you're having such a good time!

Okay, so.
@MarcoCeppi: Don't Stop Me Now
@GnomeSlice: What Is Love

GnomeSlice

@MarcoCeppi ...Whose playlist is that...

Marco Ceppi

It's my Last.FM recent tracks

GnomeSlice

8:31 PM

lololol

badp

someRandomGuy: holy shit
someRandomGuy: i am on an idle server
someRandomGuy: i selected scout
someRandomGuy: i got a spy using a rocket launcher
bp: randomizer
bp: for a change, you might want to play some actual TF2! It's a fun minigame.
someRandomGuy: actual TF2?
someRandomGuy: what did you just say?

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