The Bridge

CruelCow

8:06 PM

Of course, maybe the count simply is not correct. It is hard to aggregate changing data like that

LessPop_MoreFizz

Huh. Why are Walking Dead cards worth triple those of other games.

Is there some particularly desirable drop from crafting those into a badge?

fbueckert

Anyone have any extra Bioshock or Reus cards?

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz It just probably means that less people are playing that game

Sales destroy the monetary value of cards.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Walking Dead was on sale though, and is quite popular.

CruelCow

Has it gotten cards recently? They always start high and drop quickly

LessPop_MoreFizz

8:11 PM

@CruelCow No, doesn't look like it. Looks like the drop has happened, but from 1.20 to .4 rather than to .1

Fluttershy

Just put a foil card on the market for $2.25. <_< Woo!

badp

You lucky bastard

Fluttershy

@badp It hasn't sold yet. So we'll see how it goes.

LessPop_MoreFizz

I need a Bioshock and a Prison Architect. Have spare Skyrim and Chivalry.

user20683

@LessPop_MoreFizz got any FTL cards?

LessPop_MoreFizz

8:18 PM

@WorldEngineer A few that I can pull of the market, lemme check

user20683

I need Mantis and Engi

CruelCow

@LessPop_MoreFizz I'll give ya prison architect for chivalry

LessPop_MoreFizz

2 slugs, a zoltan and a mantis

user20683

will trade Bioshock for Mantis

LessPop_MoreFizz

Done and done for both of you

user20683

8:19 PM

since I'll never have a full set of summer cards

LessPop_MoreFizz

LessPopMoreFizz on Steam

Lazers

0

Q: Wii U USB Memory Stick Photo Slideshow

Is there anyway to play a slideshow of photos saved on a USB stick on the Wii U? If not, can it be done with an SD card? I remember being able to look at photos on the original Wii, but cannot find out how to on the Wii U.

wii-u

0

Q: PS3 super slim bricked

I have a ps3 super slim and it is bricked. It turns on but does not deliver any image (tv keeps saying that there is no sinal) and the controls does not recognize it (keeps blinking all the red lights). It does not turn off until I remove the power cable or keep the power button pressed for aroun...

ps3

murgatroid99

anyone have extra prison architect or skyrim

LessPop_MoreFizz

@murgatroid99 I have an extra skyrim

murgatroid99

I have extra chivalry, tomb raider, and torchlight

LessPop_MoreFizz

8:22 PM

@murgatroid99 Need none of those at the moment, but once @WorldEngineer adds me I'll let you know what I need!

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 I have Prison Architect, need Tomb Raider.

murgatroid99

@RedRiderX ok

fbueckert

I need Bioshock and Reus. Have extra Tomb Raider, KSP, Riptide, and Chivalry.

Fluttershy

@fbueckert I'll trade you a Borderlands 2 DLC for KSP!

2

fbueckert

@Fluttershy Bwuh? Like...Mechromancer or Psycho?

Fluttershy

8:25 PM

@fbueckert I have 2 Psycho packs and a Creature Slaughterdome. <_<

Also, why is that starred? I meant the card, not the actual game!

Blem

I got spare Dead Island, KSP and 2xPrison Architect

LessPop_MoreFizz

Yay, more useless emoticons.

RedRiderX

Have Football Manager 2013 and Prison Architect, need Kerbal Space Program and Bioshock Infinite

fbueckert

@Fluttershy Oh.

Well, what do I need for BL2?

Fluttershy

But yeah... I ended up with two extra Psycho packs and the other DLC, and they're just sitting unused in my inventory.

murgatroid99

8:27 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz you need any cards from other games?

Blem

@RedRiderX I can trade you a KSP for FM13

Fluttershy

@fbueckert I don't know what you already have.

fbueckert

@Fluttershy I was talking to myself.

RedRiderX

@Blem Ok' dok

LessPop_MoreFizz

@murgatroid99 I no longer have any dupes worth trading.

fbueckert

8:27 PM

I can't even see the cards you're talking about.

(Probably because I don't own the DLC)

LessPop_MoreFizz

(Ask again in a day, I will probably have like 6 more cards tomorrow if my willpower goes away).

Fluttershy

@fbueckert They aren't cards. >_> I'm offering you an actual game DLC for the card. lol

badp

O____O

FAE

@badp typo in "Chivalry"

badp

@FAE thanks, fixed.

fbueckert

8:31 PM

5 mins ago, by Fluttershy

Also, why is that starred? I meant the card, not the actual game!

YOU'RE CONFUSING ME!

Fluttershy

@fbueckert The KSP card, not the actual game KSP.

If we're talking Game-for-Game, I'll trade a Psycho Pack for Worms. =P

fbueckert

@Fluttershy So...I trade you the KSP summer card for the Psycho or Mechromancer DLC?

Fluttershy

@fbueckert Correct. Psycho, because that's what's currently sitting unused in my inventory.

fbueckert

@Fluttershy Works for me!

badp

...

Fluttershy

8:36 PM

This question appears to be off-topic because it is about finding an actual person, and not gaming. — Fluttershy 10 secs ago

2

user20683

I like how "She is a girl" is somehow relevant on the internet.

Fluttershy

@badp ?

Blem

But one of the regulars in the channel is a girl!

badp

I only now realized that what Batophobia asked is not what I answered

I'm now super happy I put my answer in my own question!

Batophobia asked if there are different groups of users, each with different drop rates. My answer is about whether or not the drop rates are equal for all cards for all users.

Yes, Batophobia's question is probably answerable only by the folks at backpack.tf or Valve

I'm not sure that means it deserved to be downvoted into the ground but oh well :P

fbueckert

@badp I don't see the usefulness in such a question. It's not like you can game your drop rate (if it differs), or really do anything with it.

LessPop_MoreFizz

8:43 PM

> PS She is a girl

@badp It deserved to be downvoted into the ground because it was based on a very dumb assumption.

"I Got Doubles! My friend got Different Doubles! It must not be random!'

2

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz Well it's clear that Valve here is being a little trickier than "uniform distribution ahoy!" and has been for a while (unusuals have been around for years now).

There is a test to determine if two observed distributions are the same though

see Two-sample Kolmogorov–Smirnov test

the name is way fancier than the actual maths involved

1. number the card sets (chivalry: 1, KSP: 2, etc.)

2. Look at the difference between the number of cards of kind 1 you and your friend got

3. Look at the difference between the number of cards of kind 1 or 2 you and your friend got

4. Look at the difference between the number of cards of kind 1, 2 or 3 you and your friend got

...

LessPop_MoreFizz

Hmmm... is there a way to make the Market aggregate the email notifications of my stuff that's sold?

badp

10. Take the biggest number and look it up correctly against a table

LessPop_MoreFizz

i.e. 'here is all the cards you've sold in the past hour!'

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz you can see the history of things you've sold in the market homepage

LessPop_MoreFizz

8:51 PM

@badp Yes, but the objective is less to see the history and more to make the emails stop.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz oh. Then no. I guess Valve needs to give you a different receipt per item?

CruelCow

WTF, according to the history graph, somebody sold this background for €0.01 - which gives you nothing?

badp

@CruelCow It's probably a transcation in russian rublas or something

Since it's a weaker currency, the lowest number they can write in is worth less than our lowest number

so they can operate under these price points and still get their fractions of cents' worth of sales

It's probably also why we'll realistically never sell crates on Steam :P

CruelCow

I bet you miss your lira now

badp

nah

Not all countries on Steam get to pay with their own currency

Steam sells to Canada in USD, e.g.

Chances are that Italy (a EU Tier 2 country, let's not forget) would've had the store in deutschemarks or pounds or something.

LessPop_MoreFizz

8:59 PM

@badp Yeah, but USD and CAD are basically 1:1.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz How about the AUD, which is 9:10 with the USD? :)

Australia is a big enough market to have its own pricing, but the prices are still not in their currency

(store.steampowered.com/?cc=au)

Blem

I get steam shown in € and I get paied in DKK

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Their own fault for calling it a dollar.

Call it a Dollar, you deal with the most popular dollar around.

Also, keep in mind, Australias population isn't actually that big.

user20683

it's the same as Canada's

LessPop_MoreFizz

I mean, there are fewer people in Aus and Canada combined than there are in Italy, for example

user20683

9:03 PM

more or less

LessPop_MoreFizz

@WorldEngineer It's about 30% less than canada

badp

However, Italy doesn't get its own pricing whereas Australia does

Lazers

-1

Q: Are card drops equally likely?

Are all card drops equally likely? The number of the market seem a little too much off, what with there being six thousand more Football Manager cards for sale than anything else.

steam-trading-cards

-8

Q: please look for this mine craft player

has any one heard of a mine craft player named apple woods she is a close friend on mine craft and ever since i went to camp my brother forgot to up date i lost her. I tried lots of things on many websites but nothing worked. PS She is a girl

os-x macro mac-app-store

0

Q: Don't want to burn out my battery

Is is possible to use my ps3 remote without charging the battery? I use my ps3 remote as it is plugged into the USB port and I notice that it is automatically charging my remote battery. Is it possible to keep my ps3 remote plugged in without charging the battery while using MotionJoy?

controllers

0

Q: Can I get Steam to stop annoying me with notifications that I've earned a nickel?

Steam has trading cards. Great. Now I have a bunch of nigh-worthless digital bits to get rid of. Fortunately, the Market provides an easy way to do that! I can recoup pennies on the dollar from the cost of my poor choices during a given Steam sale by selling the trading cards! However, since th...

steam

user20683

I stand corrected

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Which brings us back to size of market is not always the same as size of population.

badp

9:08 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz There is no reason whatsoever for users to prefer one card to another. Even if there was ("I WANT A CARD OF MY GAME SO I CAN PUT IT ON MY PROFILE") numbers prove you wrong.

CruelCow

Wow, a card whose value is actually (slowly) increasing: steamcommunity.com/market/listings/753/Night%20Hub

badp

Even if we consider that people feel really strong about Skyrim and Football Manager 2013 to act stupid about those, I've pre-emptively run the numbers on the other eight games and they still are not uniformly distributed

LessPop_MoreFizz

I'm not sure that current players is the metric you want here, compared to total sales. I haven't played Skyrim in months, but I like it a lot more than DOTA 2.

SimonL

@badp This does NOT take into account people playing in offline mode.

LessPop_MoreFizz

But I also don't really feel like having this argument because the whole topic is kind of dumb and pointless, so whatver.

user20683

9:14 PM

anyone got an Engi Cruiser card?

user20683

I want that FTL badge

badp

@SimonL Of those top 5 games only Torchlight II has a multiplayer portion, and it's optional

Blem

think so @WorldEngineer

badp

so offline mode also doesn't skew the numbers that much.

Blem

@WorldEngineer yea, i got a spare

badp

9:15 PM

(not sure about Football Manager honestly)

user20683

@Blem what you want for it?

user20683

I've got some summer cards left and I've no chance at that badge

Blem

sure, if you dont have some spare rock cruiser, federation cruiser or zoltan cruiser

CruelCow

@badp according to its steam page, it has multiplayer

badp

@CruelCow then it's optional, just like Torchlight II

user20683

9:17 PM

@Blem I've got a rock I think

SimonL

@badp I'm assuming you're talking about steam cards. I don't know much about that so you may need to be signed into steam to get cards? In which case those numbers would be good.

badp

@SimonL Yes, you have.

user20683

@Blem yeah, spare Rock

user20683

you same handle on Steam?

Blem

@WorldEngineer add me on steam, you can find me in the arqade group, same name and picture

badp

9:18 PM

In a way those numbers are skewed by the amount of people idling on games for cards. Those games however have had ingame cards for a few days now, so again - not much of a skew

user20683

and I now have an extra Prison architect

badp

@BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft LessPop's explanation does not find root in reality unfortunately. Sorry to break it to you, but just as many people like dragons as they like soccer players - and yet, Skyrim and Football Manager differ by nine thousand cards. There are 25% more Football Manager cards around than Skyrim cards, and I'm yet to hear another reason why this would be the case. — badp 2 mins ago

Please tell me when you're done telling me that I should've used the perfect numbers I cannot get in the first place instead of the perfectly good approximations we do have just so the maths can match your expectations.

user20683

@badp people with Skyrim cards are more likely to construct badges?

badp

@WorldEngineer why?

user20683

@badp no idea

badp

9:28 PM

if they are more likely to construct badges, wouldn't they want a full set anyway?

instead of holding to one card rather than another?

SimonL

@Badp How can you make a statement about card drop chances across games without knowing: a) how many cards are dropped per game? b) The drop rate of cards per player? c) The amount of players playing that game?

user20683

It's also possible that more people are playing football manager now than skyrim

badp

@SimonL This is not about in-game cards, but the Steam Summer cards

Those are not farmed in game

SimonL

Regardless, the first point a is still applied.

as well as C

badp

"How many cards are dropped per game" is well approximated by how many are sold

as I explained

and you'll have to read what I explained before you get to say I'm wrong

C is public information see above

20 mins ago, by badp

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Ben Brocka

9:32 PM

Woah, Prison Architech is the top seller right now, that's cool to see

SimonL

You can earn a card without even playing the game.

badp

@SimonL yes, but the Whole counterargument to my post was that people would want to hold onto cards of more popular games because reasons

and there is no proof of that

SimonL

I think the point that I and others are trying to make is that, the data you are using cannot prove your claim and that there is no known publically available data to prove or disprove the claim.

badp

what game is the Reus card about anyway?

@SimonL The data available proves the claim beyond reasonable doubt, on the contrary

CruelCow

@badp store.steampowered.com/app/222730

Data cannot prove or disprove anything, only strongly hint at

Ullallulloo

9:41 PM

RFC 1149.5 specifies 4 as the standard IEEE-vetted random number.

Lazers

0

Q: How can I control a tower of redstone lamps?

So I think this is slightly related to this question but I'm not sure I fully understand the rules controlling lighting redstone lamps. Say I have a tower like this: Right now, I can light it up (as in the picture) by putting a redstone torch in the bottom middle and putting a solid block in t...

minecraft minecraft-redstone

0

Q: Should I teach kadabra "Role Play"?

My Kadabra (33) has these moves; RECOVER REFLECT FUTURE SIGHT PSYBEAM My kadabra is trying to learn ROLE PLAY. Should I learn this move. If so, which one of the moves would you suggest forgetting. I am playing fire-red version. P.S: Future sight seems pretty useless to me. I accidentally get...

pokemon

0

Q: In minecraft I found a zombie with an iron enchanted shovel but my brother never made one

Today, a couple of hours ago zombies invaded my camp and killed me. A minute later I found my camp and there was a zombie with an iron enchanted shovel. The weird thing is that I don't have a shovel and don't have a enchanting table either so were did the zombie pick it up from? Could it have bee...

minecraft

Ullallulloo

dilbert.com/fast/2001-10-25

SimonL

xkcd so good.

CruelCow

110

Q: What is your favorite "data analysis" cartoon?

This is one of my favorites: One entry per answer. This is in the vein of the Stack Overflow question What’s your favorite “programmer” cartoon?. P.S. Do not hotlink the cartoon without the site's permission please.

humor

LessPop_MoreFizz

@SimonL For ripping off a joke that @Ullallulloo points out Dilbert had made a decade earlier?

@CruelCow So much bikeshed

badp

9:45 PM

Ullallulloo

@CruelCow How does that still exist?

SimonL

@LessPop_MoreFizz No, for hosting funny content on the internet.

Ullallulloo

They even locked the SO one last year.

SimonL

Didn't they delete a whole bunch of those "fun get to know your questions" because of "broken windows"?

CruelCow

Is there a way to tell how much rep somebody got from an answer?

Ben Brocka

9:52 PM

@Ullallulloo there's a site for that now

It totally won't be a trainwreck

Ullallulloo

@BenBrocka wat

Is that sanctioned by SE at all?

Ben Brocka

Lord no

it's someone pissed off by SO

Ullallulloo

@StrixVaria There's something that's basically a "win", although it generates a new world and your character persists there.

SimonL

@BenBrocka that site is hilarious - it would be interesting to see if it worked out and then maybe SO might change some of their policies.

Ullallulloo

@SimonL It would also be interesting if pigs could fly.

But both of those scenarios would just result in giant piles of crap everywhere.

SimonL

9:57 PM

@Ullallulloo yes it would - getting my bacon would be SO much more difficult.

I think SE should just let that site do what it says it will do and see if it works. If it doesn't they will just go and say "SEE I TOLD YOU SO!!!!" and if it does, maybe they can change some policies for improvement etc.

Ullallulloo

@SimonL Quora already does that.

SimonL

@Ullallulloo Ask me if I use Quora (answer is no). Ask me if I participate on SO (answer is no).

Ullallulloo

@SimonL Do you use Quora?

@SimonL Do you participate on SO?

SimonL

@Ullallulloo No. Never heard of it until just now.

@Ullallulloo No - I find they have a harsh environment and too political.

Ullallulloo

okay :P

Ben Brocka

10:04 PM

Quora is basically Yahoo Answers but with proper spelling and grammar and mostly about startup culture

user20683

@BenBrocka So YA for 25 year olds?

Ben Brocka

If you want real solutions you need to look elsewhere, but if you want to know what someone thinks of Don Mattrick being hired by Zygna well they got your ass covered

badp

note to self, i.stack.imgur.com/u5hjK.png i.stack.imgur.com/HTHfL.png

I almost finished that comment with " Besides, 1) is easily refuted because games are cheaper in the US and 2) amounts pretty much to holier-than-thou elitism." but that'd have been asking for trouble.

user30

@badp You have given this too much thought.

badp

@ThomasMcDonald I'm needing every little bit of the thought I've poured into this to prove my point

I mean, 35k 36k 38k 39k 39k 40k 45k... that's not disastrously evident, plus I have to justify my use of those numbers in the first place.

Yet the numbers are there screaming at us never to set foot in Las Vegas

(That's also why I ran the numbers without the 35k and 45k numbers and they were still very obviously off the mark)

(I needed some convincing too)

user30

10:23 PM

I wonder if cards are going to appreciate in value later

user30

Can't see demand ever being high enough

Lazers

1

Q: No creep spread from main to natural

I've been watching a lot of pro-games at tournaments like dreamhack lately and i've noticed that a lot of the zerg players don't connect their main and natural with creep. They always start spreading creep from of the natural, but never connecting it to the main. Does anyone know why this is? ...

starcraft-2 zerg

badp

@ThomasMcDonald They'll increase in value, but I think they'll hardly beat inflation

...otoh the manniversary package now's one whopping key

that's... 30 times or so its original worth, but there were less of those around anyway

Sterno

10:48 PM

There a Goosebumps TV show? ermahgerd!

badp

AC, AC2 for €2.5 each.

Ben Brocka

@Sterno I remember liking it (granteD I was a little kid)

badp

@Sterno your face is awful

Ben Brocka

wow stuff on steam marketplace sells FAST (which surely means I underpriced but oh well)

badp

@BenBrocka it really does

Ben Brocka

11:01 PM

Put 4 items on sale at the current median price, all but one sold within like a minute

Sterno

@badp that's true.

badp

keep in mind that same-priced items are sorted oldest-to-newest

Fluttershy

Yayy! My foil card sold!

badp

@Sterno I don't honestly understand what's so bad about the question though. I've seen the misconception around here enough that it made sense for me to fight it, plus it basically applies to all cards, hats and whatnot Valve does

plus, tons of SCIENCE.

Sterno

Basically for the reason Matthew Read stated on meta.

Lazers

11:04 PM

0

Q: What unusual effects work with the slider?

It seems that only a select set of effects work with the slider, because whenever I try to adjust my Time Warp Unusual hat, it won't budge one bit. Yet, when I try to adjust a Nuts n Bolts Unusual hat, it seems to move fine. Is this a bug on my part? Or is there a predetermined list of effects ...

team-fortress-2

badp

@Sterno except 1 doesn't apply and 2 is arguable

If you asked it on stats.SE, you'd just be told to use chi-squared and piss off

Sterno

Coupled with the fact that it amounts to trivia.

Note I still don't think it should be closed or anything. I just don't like it.

badp

@Sterno eh, I can see that one.

It's a piece of trivia that's been going around a lot here though :P

Sterno

Gonna delete my comment though.

fbueckert

First game of SOTS: The Pit ends with disease killing me.

Ben Brocka

11:10 PM

...dysentery?

fbueckert

@BenBrocka Rabid bat bit me. Progressed to level 10, and dead.

badp

@Sterno eh, thanks for the input anyway.

Ben Brocka

That sucks. In Oblivion I quit my first character because I accidentally became a vampire within like 10 minutes of leaving the sewer

badp

@fbueckert I didn't like that game

Ben Brocka

well I caught the vampire disease without noticing. I noticed when I woke up as a vampire

...is there a way to hide what game I'm playing in steam? I only opened awesomenaughts to farm cards and I've already received two invites to play

badp

11:13 PM

►

fbueckert

@BenBrocka Appear offline is an option, I believe

user20683

@BenBrocka ask the question on site, I'll answer it.

Alvar

hi all

was thinking of the minecraft games we played year ago, the capture the flag game with some people from this site. it was organized on a SE domain I think...

What was the add on called that you made the pvp capture the flag with?

RedRiderX

@Alvar mine.stackgaming.com?

Alvar

@RedRiderX sounds about right

RedRiderX

11:16 PM

@Alvar Hmm, I'm not an expert on those specifics, I think @RonanForman would know more about that.

Alvar

ok, I have a firend who wants to improve his minecraft server, and I thought of this old game we did...

Ben Brocka

0

Q: Can I use steam online while hiding the game I'm playing?

I've picked up the bad habit of idling in games to get my card drops (often games I have already played or don't want to play right now), which has resulted in several invites to games I'm leaving at the title screen or launcher. Can I hide my current game while still being online? Since I'm far...

steam

Probably a dupe but shrug couldn't find it in a search

RedRiderX

@Alvar Either way, I'm not sure how relevant any Minecraft add-on would be a year on.

Alvar

@RedRiderX well it would give a hint on what to look for

RedRiderX

@Alvar True.

user20683

11:19 PM

@BenBrocka

user20683

15

Q: Is there any way to hide your Steam status from others?

Is there any way to prevent others from seeing your Steam status without removing them as a friend? For example: If I want to play Borderlands 2 without letting some friends know, is there any way to hide my status to prevent them from knowing I'm playing it?

steam

Alvar

the problem we have with the server is that the poeple who play are too young

RedRiderX

@Alvar ?

Alvar

most of them are below 15, and spam and are immature in te chat..

it's really annoying... we would like to atract a more serious public, but it seems to be quite hard...

RedRiderX

@Alvar Ah, a ban function, I couldn't recommend anything I'm afraid.

Alvar

11:21 PM

@RedRiderX we have a ban function, but it seems wrong to just ban people...

Blem

nn people

Alvar

O.o mine.stackgaming.com is still on 1.4.7 :P

anyway, it's late...

nn all

badp

11:37 PM

@BenBrocka are you playing Monaco or idling for cards?

I'll assume the latter.

LessPop_MoreFizz

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/124702/…

WOW WHAT A USEFUL ANSWER.

spugsley

OMG GOOD JOB

THAT PERSON IS SO SMART

Lazers

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Q: What do Civilians do?

In Civilization 5, I noticed that all my cities have "civilians." The longer the city is well and the more food it has, the faster I gain new "civilians." What bonus do I get from having these civilians in my city?

civilization-5

0

Q: How do I update PSP firmware Via Storage Media?

I've downloaded the latest PSP firmware to my computer now I just need to know where to put it on my PSP so I can update it.

psp

Ben Brocka

11:54 PM

@badp I am actually playing monaco

badp

dammit

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