The Bridge

12:06 AM

@Exeggutor What text editor do you use? We're in a section that uses rspec, and it's saying Sublime Text can't rspec easily?

Wipqozn

@Niro Just use Microsoft Word

Also serious suggestion is that it looks like Atom has an rspec plugin

Looks like Visual STudio Code supports it too

Both are completely free editors

Niro

@Wipqozn Okay. I'll go back to Atom, I guess. It's auto-fill keeps messing me up because the exercise uses a class called Player, and then objects called player, so it keeps trying to auto-fill player when I need Player.

Wipqozn

@Niro I wouldn't dismiss visual studio code. It's honestly really good.

Works fine on mac if that's what you're using

Unionhawk

VS Code is good

I've never used atom

user15026

12:27 AM

@ToxicFrog Yes I do! They work SO WELL

user15026

(I just ate the whale)

ToxicFrog

(yum)

Niro

@Wipqozn I'm not using a Mac.

user15026

It was a very tasty whale (it was tangerine Crystal Light, because I had it already mixed up in my pitcher in the fridge so that was easy)

Wipqozn

@Niro How's the class going so far anyways?

Exeggutor

12:33 AM

@Niro I've never used rspec. I use vs code but I have no strong preferences for editor. I've used gedit and vim and atom also.

Niro

@Wipqozn So far so good, I think!

Wipqozn

@Exeggutor Vim is what all the cool kids use

Assuming you're using a Unix based system, including Mac

By the time I left my last job I used a combination of Vim and VS Code

Since depending on what I was doing I preferred one over the other

GodEmperorDune

vim is awful, don't recommend it to people learning to code for the first time

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune I wasn't

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn cool, sometimes its hard to piece the hipster language barrier

Wipqozn

12:41 AM

Basically when I remote into a box it's vim, on my local it's a mixture of Vim and VS Code. VS Code was mostly for coding small tasks or greater, where as vim was good for just making a few quick changes to a file or reviewing some code.

At my new job it's a windows shop so it's Visual Studio, which I actually really like

It's improved significantly since I used it during my first year of uni it seems

Although it was Eclipse that killed IDE for me

Someone was like "Use Eclipse it's cool"

I tried it, it was the worst IDE I ever used, so I tried out Vim and it was great

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn eclipse is terrible but it dies on big things

and is that much worse

Yuuki

1:36 AM

I really hate the prot pally mage tower challenge.

Lazers 2.0

2:05 AM

0

Q: Can I buy Zelda Breath of the Wild on the Nintendo eshop?

If I have a giftcard for the Nintendo eshop, can I use it to buy Breath of the Wild?

Ave

Big regret: saying "there's an arg on our new xmpp server" on 5am when there's no arg.

Well, sadly there has to be an ARG now, and we're spending time working on that. Great.

(if anyone participating arg manages to find this, xep-0157 is your hint)

Unionhawk

lmao

Memor-X

2:33 AM

@Ave what's ARG in this context?

Ave

Alternate Reality Game, iirc

GodEmperorDune

@Ave the ARG is for them to find you on bridge?

bold move fam

Ave

nnot really

that was just one hint

Memor-X

@Ave ahh ok. thought it was something different

ahhh. you know a Microwave Bolognese Pasta is truly top notch when even after all the pasta is gone you still have several big spoons of runny pasta sauce left to slurp up

Ave

2:55 AM

this is such a good arg

I think that I woke someone up by laughing

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Witchery spirit world and any other mob

So I've done a bit of research on my quest to find an answer for this, so I know a few vague things. First of all, my problem is Noppes's Custom NPCs mod for some reason can't spawn NPCs in the Witchery mod's spirit world dimension. I get an error message in chat, "Unable to find NPC" but I can...

minecraft minecraft-mods

Memor-X

3:12 AM

For your @PUBG cosplay needs — all thanks to #PrimeDay. Don't forget to add miracles to your cart via @amazonsmile by visiting http://smile.amazon.com and selecting "Children's Miracle Network" as your charity of choice.

Tweeted by ExtraLife4Kids on July 17, 2018 at 1:23 AM

after all, your PUBG Cosplay need to be iconic

in other news, it seems Aliens: Colonial Marines is a recruiting tool

@SexualYeti @LCHuslar @mjc0961 @Toshi_TNE @SidAlpha @GearboxOfficial @YouTube Thanks for the bug hunt! Maybe you can help us in the future - check out this job opening: https://gearboxsoftware.bamboohr.com/jobs/view.php?id=117

Tweeted by DuvalMagic on July 17, 2018 at 12:48 AM in reply to SexualYeti

pretty much just doing what Bethesda does......minus the Mod Tools

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Power in fallout 4

I have a house in the common wealth and the work bench won’t let me build generators but it’s saying I need one, it’s not that I don’t have the materials, the option will not show up?

pc fallout-4

GodEmperorDune

3:45 AM

@Memor-X hue

Ave

3:58 AM

apparently one of the drives on one of our servers has an uptime of 5.5 years

I guess it's a good thing that we have regular backups. And that the drives are on raid1 (though the other drive is at 1.5 years)

Lazers 2.0

5:29 AM

-1

Q: What is the meaning of life?

I always wanted to know what the meaning of life basic question of life so if you know the answer give me an answer

fantasy-life

Memor-X

5:47 AM

@Lazers2.0 eat, sleep, love, play games, watch anime, code and make lolis happy

Trent Hawkins

6:12 AM

Monty Python - The French Waiter

►

Memor-X

6:54 AM

@TrentHawkins *starts sing ending song from The Life of Brian *

Trent Hawkins

@Memor-X whistles along with the whistling bits

Lazers 2.0

8:20 AM

-1

Q: Who died more, Starcraft 2 marines or PUBG players?

I'm not exactly sure this fits here, but I think it might ! The question is quite simple : Over the lifetime of Starcraft 2 (and therefore, PUBG), did more marines died, or more PUBG players? There are way more PUBG players, and at least 80-90 players die per game, every 25-30 minutes (even 20...

playerunknowns-battlegrounds starcraft

Lazers 2.0

10:37 AM

0

Q: So why does this happen?

Whenever I try to walk to Kellogg he gets hostile without me even talking to him. is it Nick or something else? I tried telling Nick to wait outside and I even dismissed him. Please help.

fallout-4

Jutschge

11:44 AM

Oh damn that WoW question makes me angry

Lazers 2.0

-2

Q: WoW-Why Do We Need to Research How to Play?

WoW seems to make a big deal out of "learning to play your class",otherwise you're chewed out for it big time when losing in raids or battlegrounds. Why,in a game,is it required to actively learn how to play said game?I don't care about that stuff,hence I don't,but I would like to know why it see...

world-of-warcraft

Nzall

I'm currently refactoring a codebase which started in Java 4 days to use Generics

Loads of stuff where I'm like "How does this even work? The function is called GetDifferences and returns a list of Differences, but then it calls getHistory, which calls GetModifications, which returns a List of Modifications, but when I apply those Generics, it gives an error? AARGH"

MBraedley

12:05 PM

I've never had a problem using Generics in Java, but creating them has always been difficult for me.

Nzall

@MBraedley Most of it is largely trivial, but we have like 6000 warnings

and I think like 90% of those are related to generics

Unionhawk

12:35 PM

I wasn't certain that was where you meant lmao

fredley

→ 8 messages moved to This Is Fine

MBraedley

really, wikipedia only has data up to 2013?

List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions per capita

This is a list of countries by carbon dioxide emissions emissions per capita from 1990 through 2011. All data were calculated by the US Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC), mostly based on data collected from country agencies by the United Nations Statistics Division. Countries are ranked by their metric tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions per capita in 2009. The data only consider carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels and cement manufacture, but not emissions from land use such as deforestation. Emissions from international shipping or bunker...

Unionhawk

nice work

fredley

@MBraedley pls

Unionhawk

I want to pin that audit message

MBraedley

12:36 PM

@fredley Sorry, you moved as I was hitting enter

Unionhawk

It'd make a nice replacement for the football not coming home now that the football didn't come home

fredley

gg m8 pls

cc: @LessPop RIP @LessPop

Unionhawk

honestly the better pin would have been "god damn it wrong room" but that got moved so

fredley

@Unionhawk @uni pls

Unionhawk

you ever have one of those days like "why the fuck am I even in the office today"?

that's where I'm at

Nzall

12:42 PM

Okay, 10% of the warnings done

roughly, I mean

Jutschge

@Unionhawk oh that's basically my life

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Does using ranged vs non-ranged guns matter?

If I have a shotgun and a rifle of equal damage, they appear to fire at the same rate yet my settlers will often stand 'near' an enemy when using a shotgun, and sometimes move further away when using rifle. Is it advantageous to prefer rifles over short range weapons, such as a shotguns as to be...

fallout-shelter

Private Pansy

New phone who dis

Tim Stone

12:59 PM

Which phone tho

Private Pansy

Got a Nokia 7 Plus

Tim Stone

Nice, I read the review of the 6.1 on Ars the other day and was surprised how well it was received

Private Pansy

The original was less well received. But I think the refreshed line is much better

Nzall

1:15 PM

Another 100 warnings solved

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Minecraft - Giving one level of experience for every mob that is killed

I am currently building a minigame in 1.12 with only command blocks. I need to know how to give a player 1L of experience for every zombie that they kill. For instance, when a person kills one zombie, I want them to get 1 level. When they kill a second one, get one more level (Now they have two l...

minecraft minecraft-redstone

0

Q: How do I get the Size Rune in Mages of Mystralia?

I am trying to get the Size Rune as described in this thread: Size: The Highlands, south of the Ether puzzle. Puzzle requires lighting three torches simultaneously. Right-Duplicate will do the trick if you stand at the right angle. I am using a controller to control Zia. I can't posit...

pc

Nzall

Warning: Dead Code. Remove dead code: Error: not all code paths return a value. Put dead code into else statement: dead code.

ToxicFrog

1:33 PM

dead code dead code dead code dead code

fredley

"Illegal mix of collations (utf8_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_unicode_ci,IMPLICIT) for operation '='" MySQL pls

Nzall

@fredley ow, that sounds like your database is screwed

I mean, why are you using general UTF8 and Unicode UTF8 in the same database?

fredley

@Nzall It's 99% fine, but has some tables like this that have somehow got fukt

@Nzall MySQL unicode is a mess

UTF8_unicode?

Ave

I am so so happy that i don't have to use mysql anymore

psql is just so much better

fredley

I know

It's pretty much too late to change

MySQL Unicode is wrong anyway, it can't store 4-byte characters

Ave

1:40 PM

yeah I realize that

fredley

You have to use a different encoding to utf-8 to store some utf-8 characters

Fuck MySQL

Nzall

@fredley Yeah, MySQL did a stupid decision like one or 2 decades ago where it decided that they should define UTF-8 as max 3 bytes by default to save space

fredley

Idiots

Chippies

1:56 PM

Yuuki

@Chippies Wait, was Scooby Doo @Uni's favorite cartoon growing up?

Chippies

@Yuuki what do you mean growing up?

Yuuki

@Chippies I'm sure his favorite cartoon now is Snow White because the working class dwarves overthrow the capitalist monarchy.

Private Pansy

amazon.com/Crucial-MX500-NAND-SATA-Internal/dp/B077SF8KMG

This is rather tempting. $165 for 1TB. I already have a small SSD for my OS and most of my apps, but with this I can also stick most of my files and games on it.

Nick S

2:12 PM

@fredley rip in mySQL users

Chippies

2:29 PM

@PrivatePansy holy crap, SSD prices have gone down a lot

Private Pansy

Yeah, that price is ridiculous

Ave

hmm, that's a tempting price.

Chippies

I paid more than that for my 480gb year and a half ago

Nick S

I usually just pay attention to r/datahoarder, they often have a thread about ongoing sales for SSDs

Yuuki

I kinda want to get a M.2 SSD.

Unionhawk

2:39 PM

woooooooooooooooo 50 ranged

guess who gets to upgradeeeeee some gearrrrr

(it's me)

Jutschge

Yay blue D'hide

Unionhawk

lmao you don't need dragon slayer to equip it for some reason

why

what

wait 50 is also ava's accumulator

pogchamp

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeear

SaintWacko

I just resubbed to WoW, stop making me want to play Runescape again!

Jutschge

@SaintWacko Why not both! (srsly I'm always fishing in my raid)

SaintWacko

@Jutschge Ooh, that's a good idea

Unionhawk

2:53 PM

you could do 2 raids at once, that would be totally doable and not completely impossible

SaintWacko

I'd have to start a new Runescape character

Because I don't want to pay for members right now

And my old character is very thoroughly members

Jutschge

@Unionhawk Ok I wouldn't recommend doing a RS raid and a wow raid at the same time. Fishing is less... click intensive

SaintWacko

Although on the other hand, I also hear that Jagex has gotten really, really shitty by now

Jutschge

@SaintWacko only for RS3

SaintWacko

Microtransactions and p2w out the wazoo

Jutschge

2:54 PM

still... 11$

SaintWacko

Yeah, when I played it was $5

I was still playing when it went up to $6, but I was grandfathered in at $5

Jutschge

There aren't really any MTX on osrs. You can buy membership bonds but that's something I can get along with since it helps against goldfarmers (at least to a certain degree)

Ronan

@SaintWacko I know someone who used to work there and it doesn't appear to be a new thing

Unionhawk

@Jutschge that and bot detection is vastly improved

SaintWacko

@Ronan I mean more in the gamer-facing sense

Making the game very pay-to-win

It wasn't always that way

Jagex used to be very against that sort of thing

Jutschge

2:56 PM

Yup. And they recently just released a ton of updates to make botting harder in general

RIP ardy knights and antifire shield

SaintWacko

Then they apparently got sold to some Chinese company :(

@Jutschge Wait what?

No more antifire shield?

Jutschge

@SaintWacko nono it's still there but you have to complete dragonslayer to equip it.

It's mostly because green dragons was a heavily botted place

SaintWacko

@Jutschge Oh, that's alright

The place I always hung out was those black dragons in the underground place

With fairies and stuff?

That you had to use the mushroom ring to get to?

I'd just sit down there with a crossbow and farm dragon bones

And hide

Jutschge

Yeah you can use an egg on the evil chicken statue in Zanaris to get there after a quest IIRC

SaintWacko

And hope for a visage

Never got one

Jutschge

2:58 PM

I mean the visage has a 1:10k droprate

That's a lot of dragons

SaintWacko

Best drop I ever got was doing God Wars stuff with a group. We got a god sword piece (or something)

Jutschge

I think my biggest drop was a pair of ranger boots from a clue scroll (45m at the time)

My 2nd biggest was a barrows piece worth 1.5m so yeah...

Although right now I like farming Vorkath (new boss). It's about 1.5-2.5m gp/hr depending on your drop luck. The only downside is that you're pretty much dead if you don't look at the screen for a second

Nzall

Okay, I'm under 5000 warnings

Not bad for half a day of work

Exeggutor

@Nzall What did you start at?

Nzall

@Exeggutor I think somewhere arond 5800

SaintWacko

3:03 PM

I loved clue scrolls

Nzall

can't really remember

Exeggutor

@Nzall That is a pretty good chunk, but man that's still a lot to go :(

Jutschge

@SaintWacko When was the last time you played?

Nzall

@Exeggutor It's not that bad. Most of that is just technical debt from before generics. Relatively easy to solve, but just a lot of work

SaintWacko

My other thing was afking in the... slayer cave thing? Killing... hellbeasts? helldogs? Hellhounds! with my... um... set of armor that heals me when I hit things

Exeggutor

3:04 PM

Sometimes I like doing work like that, where you can kind of just zone out and go on autopilot and be productive.

SaintWacko

It's been a while

Nzall

Yeah, it's fun listening to Towelliee and Youtube and so forth while doing it

Exeggutor

@Wipqozn I'm getting a Switch for my sister for her birthday and I decided to gift her my copy of Mario Tennis (along with the game she actually wanted) because I was finding it kind of anti-fun. She's a much more casual gamer so she'll probably enjoy playing local multiplayer rather than online competitive.

Nzall

The main issue is that if you make so many changes, it's pretty much impossible to test them manually, so you're relying on unit tests and compiler errors

Exeggutor

@Nzall This is true, but a lot of times in these cases they're "safe" changes too.

Nzall

3:07 PM

@Exeggutor Yeah, until you get to a situation where you think you found a logical error, but you can't test it because you don't have the software installed for that part

Ave

Fortnite: The TV Show will premier on August the 12, 2019!

Tweeted by DisnayXD on July 15, 2018 at 11:51 PM

oh no

ooh it's Disnay GDI

Nzall

Right now I'm mostly focusing my efforts on the business layer: services and beans

Exeggutor

@Nzall I would probably make a note of that and do it in a separate batch of changes.

SaintWacko

@Jutschge I'm honestly not sure. It's been a long time

Anyway, hellhounds drop clue scrolls

So I got pretty good at doing those

I kinda want to log in and see if my account and all my stuff are still there

But I'm at work

Exeggutor

Ugh I haven't played Octopath Traveler in like 2 days and I can't focus now.

I haven't even gotten all the characters yet but I'm hooked.

Nzall

3:10 PM

@Exeggutor Related issue: we only have about 60% unit test coverage on our services, so I'll have to do some manual testing as well

Exeggutor

@Nzall 60% is admirable, though. I feel like that's higher than average.

Jutschge

@SaintWacko If you've last logged in pre EOC you probably won't recognize the game anymore

SaintWacko

@Jutschge What's EOC?

Jutschge

And all OSRS accounts from previous accounts have to start at 0

@SaintWacko Evolution of combat. It's more MMORPG-ish combat now

SaintWacko

Oh yeah

Nzall

3:12 PM

@Exeggutor 55% line coverage, 44% branch coverage according to my local tests, but those don't run all tests

SaintWacko

I think I stopped playing before RS3?

So is OSRS RS1, or is it RS2 graphics?

Jutschge

Yeah then you'll probably find a completely different game

It's RS2

All the game from 2007 (the last included skill was hunter) and they added some completely new stuff

All of the new additions perfectly fit into the game though so it's pretty cool

fredley

@Dragonrage Did you Google it?

Dragonrage

@fredley not, id rather not lose access to the internet at work

SaintWacko

@Jutschge Oh!

Nzall

3:16 PM

@fredley Did he google what?

SaintWacko

That's excellent

Yuuki

@Nzall Probably not.

Jutschge

Also there's OSRS mobile now

SaintWacko

So OSRS is pretty much exactly what I was used to

Nzall

@Yuuki No, i mean, what should he have googled?

SaintWacko

3:17 PM

@Jutschge Yeah, but the beta is only available to members right now

Jutschge

Which is a great thing for OSRS and a terrible thing for productivity

SaintWacko

Trust me, I'm keeping on eye on it :P

Jutschge

True

SaintWacko

As soon as the beta is open to non-members, I'll be playing it

Yuuki

@Nzall Yes, "Did he Google 'what'?", to which the answer is "probably not".

SaintWacko

3:17 PM

Does OSRS members cost any less than RS3 members?

Unionhawk

no

Jutschge

no but IIRC you get access to both games

SaintWacko

Bah

Unionhawk

@Jutschge yes

SaintWacko

Guess I'll be sticking to free

fredley

3:18 PM

18 hours ago, by Dragonrage

@fredley i just today realized why porkchat is called porkchat

Jutschge

I really want to like RS3 but that's too much MTX even for me

SaintWacko

Have they added anything to free?

GodEmperorDune

@fredley hue

SaintWacko

Or is everything getting added to members?

fredley

@GodEmperorDune saturation

Jutschge

3:18 PM

Yeah they actually added 2 new non-member quests recently

Unionhawk

@SaintWacko There are a couple new novice quests iirc but other than that not really

GodEmperorDune

@fredley value

SaintWacko

@Unionhawk Bah, that's annoying

fredley

@GodEmperorDune o/

Jutschge

But yeah... it's still a subscription based MMO if you want to have the full content

fredley

3:19 PM

*welcome to the circus of value*

Jutschge

You can however buy membership with gold. If you're familiar with flipping it's super easy

SaintWacko

@GodEmperorDune intensity

@Jutschge like on the GE?

Or is that a new thing

Jutschge

Yup. Well you can also normally trade between players but I rarely see that

Nzall

@Exeggutor Update: our build server has 58% line coverage, 46% Branch coverage accordign to cobertura

Jutschge

I guess you could get 14 days of membership in about a week or two. And once you have that getting the 3m required shouldn't be a problem to sustain it

SaintWacko

3:22 PM

Damn, is it that easy to make money now?

Jutschge

I guess it's about the same. But inflation is a thing in MMOs :P

SaintWacko

I guess I could log in to my old account and transfer money over too

I think I have a few mil there

Jutschge

RS3 money isn't worth a lot though

SaintWacko

Oh, right, it's not OSRS

Jutschge

Afaik it's not too difficult to get billions in RS3. In OSRS that's still a ton

Unionhawk

3:25 PM

is rs3 int64 at least lol

Nzall

3:40 PM

This is fun, I managed to make our getObjects methods (which we use everywhere we don't need special queries or transactions) generic

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Fortnite not working after update for Season 5

I have been playing Fortnite since Season 3, but never had any error related to the permissions to access game files. However, after the Season 5 update, I have been having issues in launching the game. Whenever I launch the game, the following error message appears: I am not a computer specia...

fortnite-battle-royale

Nzall

@Lazers2.0 And this is why I don't install my games in Program Files. C:/Games or E:/Games

Otherwise you're going to have problems with permissions every couple of days

Private Pansy

@Ave This is... a thing?

Nzall

@Ave Just in time for the game to have faded into obscurity!

Private Pansy

*insert John Oliver "Why is this a thing" clip*

Dragonrage

3:51 PM

@Nzall ive never had any problems with not having permission to run my games because they were installed on C:/Program Files

Exeggutor

4:26 PM

@Nzall I have literally never had permission issues in Program Files.

Tim Stone

I haven't had issues either but I do install games to a separate drive so my full-drive backups don't include that bloat >_> <_<

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Will sharing ps plus will still work on diffrent servers? (E.g. Us and singapore)

Can I ask? I made an us account on my ps4 and I plan to buy ps plus asia so it will be cheaper. Then I made a singapore account. Can I ask if sharing ps plus will still work on different servers? Tnx

ps4 psn playstation-plus

Sepia Lazers

5:14 PM

0

Q: Should we add a historical lock to, or delete this old upvoted question?

This question about planning perk point allocation is pretty clearly off topic, however it is upvoted quite a bit (+20), has 46k+ views, and has quite a bit of good information. To delete it, it would take 5 delete votes to get rid of it, and delete votes can take a long time to come (there are a...

discussion specific-question obsolete-questions

MBraedley

Seriously? It's going to take 4 weeks to organize a (relatively) simple telecon? FFS, but at least it's better than the 2 months that was originally proposed.

Lazers 2.0

5:36 PM

0

Q: Crafting in fallout 4

I just bought a home in diamond city and there’s very limited options on what I can build, when u level up do you get more building options?

pc fallout-4

Nick S

reading about the difference in functional languages from oop languages rn- my head feels like its spinning

Yuuki

6:06 PM

Dragonrage

@Yuuki today in last week's news with @Yuuki

Yuuki

@Dragonrage Is it really news though?

MBraedley

@Yuuki what a good boy

Dragonrage

@Yuuki news: a broadcast of information on recent events (merriam-webster)

though i dont actually recall if it was posted here or somewhere else that i saw it

Yuuki

6:37 PM

> From: Amazon
> Subject: Hello Prime Day

uhhh

Unionhawk

they extended it by a day

Yuuki

As one does, I guess.

Niro

@Yuuki The thing was originally going to be a day and a half, but they had serious issues yesterday, and extended it.

Yuuki

@Niro Ah, we had some AWS issues yesterday, that's probably related.

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Is this guy cheating in PUBG?

I followed the guy that killed me and took a snapshot of what I saw: My username is coderama. This guy sees my name above my character in blue and it allowed him to know that I'm inside the house on the left without having actually seen me. Is he cheating? If not, how do you enable the user ...

playerunknowns-battlegrounds

0

Q: Can I attack a raider I just lied to?

I'm on a mission against the pencil pushers, and accidently asked the leader for supplies.... I'd rather like to erase their bad work (see what I did there?!) and take the leader out after all, but now I've lied to them I can't see anyway of manually attacking. Is it possible to manually attack...

fallout-shelter

Yuuki

6:46 PM

@Lazers2.0 Preeeeetty sure that's a spectator feature.

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk boycott really hit them hard, i heard some of the servers joined in

Exeggutor

Hamster is going to be playable in Overwatch on July 24.

Yuuki

HAMTARO

Not just deprecation, self-deprecation.

In case you think it's fake:

@kadler_ibm This is PHP, surely you didn't expect any sort of internal logical consistency.

Tweeted by official_php on July 17, 2018 at 1:04 AM in reply to kadler_ibm

Dragonrage

@Yuuki its php. im pretty sure the whole language is fake. no one would use something so terrible.

Nick S

echo "yea its pretty bad- why would anyone use it?"

Lazers 2.0

7:01 PM

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murgatroid99

@Dragonrage such optimism

Nick S

trying out Haskell rn- very confused

Dragonrage

try Prolog

murgatroid99

It might sound weird, but if you're interested in functional programming, you might want to work with JavaScript

JS code commonly uses a major part of functional programming: continuation passing

That is, implementing program flow by passing as an argument a function to call upon the completion of another function

Nick S

@murgatroid99 I use that all the time with my async api stuff!

I'll have to look more into it

GodEmperorDune

7:10 PM

@murgatroid99 how is that different from a callback?

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune That is what a callback is

GodEmperorDune

oh, duh

never heard it described as continuation passing

Dragonrage

i should look back at my Prolog code from college. i think i did towers of hanoi in it at one point

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune Based on my own experience, that's what that is usually called in functional programming

Generally, functional languages don't have the same async/coroutine system that makes callback based programming almost necessary in JS, but they also often have tail call optimization which makes that style more useful for general programming.

Nick S

@murgatroid99 that's actually a really good idea b/c I have a fairly good handle on js stuff in general

although rn I have to work with sharepoint as a buisness requirement ;-;

murgatroid99

7:23 PM

In case it wasn't clear, I don't think you should just look at JS, but I think it's a good starting point for looking at some functional programming concepts

personally, I would also recommend looking at one of the ML variants, which are Standard ML, OCaml, and F#

features like pattern matching and algebraic type systems help a lot with the pure functional programming style

Nick S

I'll check it out, thanks!

murgatroid99

When I learned functional programming in schools, they made us keep absolutely everything immutable

I think that was a good way to learn, because it forced us to use the functional style instead of falling back to imperative programming when it got complicated

We learned on Standard ML, specifically

Nick S

That's a great idea- I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of functional programming tbh, haven't had a class on it or anything

I just graduated HS this year

GodEmperorDune

congrats

Nick S

The thing that confuses me usually has to do with mutability- I feel like the 'tree' approach is harder to work with

@GodEmperorDune thx

murgatroid99

7:33 PM

@NickS what do you mean?

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I made a us account on my ps4 and I plan to buy ps plus asia so it will be cheaper. Then I made a singapore account. Can I ask if sharing ps plus will still work on different servers. And will I'm able to play online with the account that doesn't have ps plus? Tnx

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Nick S

@murgatroid99 having only worked in imperative systems before, I have a tendency to fall into a trap of fitting functional syntax into a imperative structure

for example, I am so used to approaching a problem in the way that I would if it was imperative that I incorrectly apply functional ideas

murgatroid99

I think part of it is just learning what patterns are common to functional programming

You want to be thinking about using stuff like recursion, and continuation passing, and higher-order functions

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 what is a higher order function?

murgatroid99

If you find yourself working with persistent mutable state, one common pattern is to pass the state as an argument, then create a new state and either pass it to the continuation function or return it as appropriate

@GodEmperorDune a function that operates on functions

Nick S

7:40 PM

If i remember correctly, higher-order-functions don't necessarily care what the innards of the passed function look like?

murgatroid99

For example, map can be thought of as a function that takes as an argument a function that operates on an individual object, and returns a function that operates on a list of those objects

Nick S

@murgatroid99 also, thanks for taking the time to respond to our questions lol

@murgatroid99 oh ok

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 ok this is a very helpful example

thanks

Frank

Wee! Had a call with a recruiter.

End result: it was for a company I had interviewed before, but turned down due to low pay.

murgatroid99

ML type languages have "currying" as a top-level feature, so you can pass the first (few) arguments to a function and get a function that takes the rest of the arguments and returns the result

Frank

7:43 PM

And this time was no exception. They offered ~75% of what I make now. And that's less than the offer I got last time.

Nick S

I initially started thinking about functional programming b/c I made a page that got a list of objects, then let the user pick which to act on, then took that info and made a bunch of fetch() req to different, dynamic urls

@Frank sorry to hear that frank lol

djsmiley2k

status.cloud.google.com/incident/cloud-networking/18012

Discord, Snapchat, PSN all down.

murgatroid99

@NickS as a side note, I'm glad to see that the fetch API is seeing use

Nick S

@murgatroid99 it's actually a bit easier than the old way for me at least

i think i have a handle on promises

and b/c I don't have to worry about outdated browsers/etc in my use case, it makes it nice

Yuuki

murgatroid99

7:50 PM

I work on a protocol/library that uses HTTP2, and for a while we pushed for fetch to be adopted so that we could use it on the browser, but it turns out that the official API doesn't return response trailers, which means that in the end we still can't quite use it.

Yuuki

Also, you're supposed to cut the bread lengthwise so you can get crispy edges.

@murgatroid99 gRPC?

@NickS yeah

nice

I've been tempted to put "made fetch happen" on my resume, but I wasn't really personally involved

Nick S

7:52 PM

@murgatroid99 I'm glad it came along when it did because I just got this job and I don't think I would have gotten the hang of js api stuff so quickly had it not been there

Yuuki

@murgatroid99 Nice.

Nick S

@Yuuki r/wellthatsucks ?

murgatroid99

@NickS You're familiar with gRPC?

Yuuki