The Bridge

Unionhawk

7:00 PM

\[T]/

djsmiley2k

Riught i'm gonna try rovcket league now :/

Yuuki

@twobugs The laziest Dark Souls reference short of "YOU DIED".

fredley

@djsmiley2k pls

djsmiley2k

@fredley i died D:L

fredley

@djsmiley2k for ronnie 2016

djsmiley2k

7:01 PM

I le suck D:

errr ok :D

fredley

@djsmiley2k are you drunk?

djsmiley2k

I was just honest

I wish.

John

@fredley me pro much vote for me!!!!

djsmiley2k

I'm the trump of bridge.

fredley

@djsmiley2k no

MadMAxJr

7:02 PM

Can we get an Overwatch countdown on the nominations? "Voting closes in 30 seconds"

And then the site gets modded by a leaping gorilla with an electricity gun.

djsmiley2k

sigh

Unionhawk

dawn of the final hour: one hour remains

Tim S.

haha

MadMAxJr

I was really tempted to put in a nomination for myself with the only text being, "I am in no way qualified to moderate this site and will likely abuse any power given." But I think we troll the moderation process of this site enough as-is.

Sterno

I nominate @fredley for mod.

Unionhawk

7:04 PM

He already nominated and withdrew

djsmiley2k

so within 1 minute, my team has scored 3!!! own goals.

Dragonrage

@djsmiley2k your team is not pro much

djsmiley2k

time to fire up the youtube stream

Yuuki

Ah, chump goals? Those are pretty hilarious.

John

@MadMAxJr No no no we don't want @Wipqozn to win. Weren't you pay attention?

two bugs

7:05 PM

Supreme Court to hear Death Penalty cases. I'm holding out hope for a verdict now that Scalia is no longer with us

Unionhawk

I think a 4-4 goes in favor of against

djsmiley2k

djsmiley2k plays PS4..... badly?

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Unionhawk

Even though we shouldn't even be in a 4-4 situation

BUT OH TEH NOES LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE

two bugs

@Unionhawk UGh you're probably right

John

@Unionhawk Yeah...it seems like putting a new one in is kinda really important...but here we are...

two bugs

7:06 PM

It pisses me off how much the public supports capital punishment

Unionhawk

OBAMA ISN'T A LAME DUCK UNTIL NOVEMBER GUYS

two bugs

You can point out that it costs more to keep someone on death row than life in prison

MadMAxJr

Appoint Grabthak to Supreme Court. Grabthak believe death penalty for EVERYONE.

two bugs

And they'll just say "okay remove the appeals :)"

Completely serious

And that's when I need to back off the internet

Tim S.

they can't remove the appeals without knowing 100% that someone is guilty.. which is impossible without wonder woman and her lasso of truth.

MadMAxJr

7:07 PM

Unfortunately, nobody knows the true identity of Wonder Woman so she cannot be appointed as a justice.

Tim S.

what's that movie that for 24 hours nothing is illegal?

two bugs

@TimS. "Oh the justice system is good enough, can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs"

MadMAxJr

Also the lasso of truth may violate the self incrimination laws.

two bugs

@TimS. The purge

John

@MadMAxJr 50/50 it's either @AshleyNunn or @Wipqozn

Tim S.

7:08 PM

@twobugs "good enough" if laughable...

oh yeah, the purge..

Unionhawk

Oct 11 '13 at 21:33, by Unionhawk

RIP @Ori

Tim S.

we need that to happen, but just in the scope of congress

murgatroid99

@MadMAxJr Yeah, using it would probably be a direct violation of the Fifth Amendment

Tim S.

get some new blood in there

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Longer Record Time

So i'm really addicted now to Super Smash Bros. Brawl and i want to know how to record my long battles. now Super Smash Bros. Brawl gives you the option to record your fights if their under like one or two minutes but is it possible to record my longer fights. i'm assuming that if i want this i'l...

super-smash-bros-brawl

Tim S.

7:09 PM

@murgatroid99 Not if you lasso'd it around someone else and they ratted you out :)

MadMAxJr

We should get science to bring back some of the founding fathers and put them back in office.

two bugs

I mean, I regularly have people tell me that I "just don't understand how it feels" because I've never had a blood relative murdered (I have)

Tim S.

zombie justices! I'm all in favor of that

MadMAxJr

Just keep Ben Franklin away from Facebook.

two bugs

If I mention that, I'm called a liar

It's not possible I could disagree with someone's internet tough guy ideology

I must be LYING

Tim S.

7:10 PM

@twobugs Sounds like people who aren't worth having a conversation with.

MadMAxJr

Or we could try what Rome did. Appoint various government positions by lottery.

Tim S.

oh, that'd be horrible

unless i won, then it would be awesome

Dragonrage

@MadMAxJr i thought you were talking about having gladiator fights.

MadMAxJr

I thought we had those already? UFC stuff?

I will not bring lions and tigers into UFC though.

murgatroid99

Unfortunately, in modern times most people are grossly unqualified to hold elected office, simply because there's more to know now to do it properly, and we have greater specialization.

two bugs

7:11 PM

So my coworker really wants me to take a call from this client

Dragonrage

yea, but in Rome, they did it with prisoners and stuff, and if they lived then they were able to go free or something

two bugs

Partially because he claims she has the best voice ever

I'm quite worried now

Unionhawk

That seems like a dumb reason

MadMAxJr

President Camacho's State of the Union

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two bugs

We'll see

Unionhawk

7:12 PM

Let me rephrase

That is a dumb reason

Tim S.

@murgatroid99 The same is true for citizens and voting -- most of my wife's extended family has no idea what "Benghazi" even is, let alone what happened, yet they all scream it frantically when people talk about Hillary being elected.

Lack of ignorance isn't required to vote

or should I say "being informed"

Unionhawk

We're so boned

murgatroid99

@TimS. At least with voting, averages generally work in favor of the informed

Dragonrage

@TimS. Ignorance is a key trait required to vote properly.

Unionhawk

Rick and Morty - How Did I Get Here?

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Sterno

7:13 PM

I'm voting for @OrigamiRobot and @MarkTrapp this election

djsmiley2k

OMG THAT SHOT

murgatroid99

In the sense that completely uninformed people could be considered to be voting randomly, and should average out

Tim S.

It is true that the educated/informed tend to vote, but it's scary how many people who aren't informed still make it to the polls

err tend to vote more*

Waterseas

@murgatroid99 It depends on what you mean by 'uninformed'

Do you count name recognition as being 'informed'?

Tim S.

I heard one guy at booth next to me say (out loud) that he just randomly pushes buttons for all of the non-presidential issues/lower offices

Sterno

7:15 PM

"Uninformed" is anyone who doesn't have the exact same set of knowledge as me

Dragonrage

I don't like Bernie Sanders glasses so I'm not going to vote for him.

Tim S.

@murgatroid99 I would prefer random voting over that of "completely misinformed because they only read the Red Patriot News" sites

I feel that when I vote, I'm not voting, I'm just cancelling out one of their votes

Sterno

I'm sure the people informed solely by Democratic Underground balance it out. Everyone wins!

murgatroid99

My point is that either someone knows at least enough to believe that one particular candidate most aligns with their interests (and is therefore "informed"), or they have no information whatsoever, vote randomly, and end up as noise

Unionhawk

@Sterno I'd drink to that but it's 3:15 and also I probably qualify as uninformed by this standard

Sterno

7:16 PM

@Unionhawk I mean, you could have way more knowledge than me in every subject except one, but man, you don't know as much as me in that one, and you're uninformed. Don't vote. Jerk.

murgatroid99

@TimS. Those people generally aren't completely misinformed. They may have narrow, biased information sources, but they do know something

Waterseas

Again I disagree, particularly in this election. I have a suspicion most people who saw the names "Clinton" and "Sanders" on the ballot, and knew nothing about either candidates positions, wouldn't vote randomly.

Tim S.

@murgatroid99 This is true.

well said, "narrow and biased"

most of the randomness I'd expect (and have witnessed as I said earlier) was the minor/local elections, school levies, and regional office candidates...

Dragonrage

should everyone be required to be exposed to both liberal and conservative biased new reports to get an idea of both sides before voting?

Tim S.

here are 4 people running for county auditor, I'll just pick the first name

Trent Hawkins

7:18 PM

Rick and Morty Best Scenes - Recreated in Fallout 4 (MODS) - Part 1

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two bugs

@Dragonrage I don't think anyone is asking for this. But it's difficult in a modern world like ours where there is an overwhelming amount of... stuff out there and it's very hard to tell what is real and what isn't.

Sterno

@Dragonrage All they need to do for that is join Facebook

two bugs

There are lots of things people believe that are completely fake (e.g. "the philadelphia experiment")

Tim S.

The biggest issue I see is the propaganda that is spewed about... Obama was a male prostitute in his 20s, and Michelle Obama used to be a man. (This is actual "news" that one of my extend family members posted on Facebook, and actually believes". And he's not even running for office anymore.

Unionhawk

@twobugs WELL HOW DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S FAKE IF IT'S INVISIBLE???

BUT HEY, THAT'S JUST A THEORY. A GAME THEORY

Tim S.

7:21 PM

@Unionhawk Wonder woman's plane. mic drop

Dragonrage

@twobugs do you think it would help broaden the knowledge of voters if this was required though?

GodEmperorDune

@TimS. wat

Tim S.

Her plane was invisible... so we can't prove that it's fake

nevermind :)

Tim Stone

@twobugs But that is real!

Unionhawk

there's some really dumb stuff out there

Tim Stone

7:22 PM

Just…only as a movie

GodEmperorDune

@Dragonrage we had mandatory literacy tests you had to pass before you could vote back in the 1800s. it was unconstitutional

Unionhawk

Ah shit he's right

Dragonrage

37 minutes left till nominations close

two bugs

@Dragonrage No.

Tim S.

@GodEmperorDune Yeah, it excluded illiterates from voting

(obviously)

two bugs

7:23 PM

There's really not a good solution. I don't think any kind of requirement to fulfill before you can vote is going to fix that.

Tim S.

I just can't believe how easily people believe stuff they see on Facebook as the truth, without any research. If it's an infographic with cool fonts? Holy crap it's gospel!

Waterseas

Literacy doesn't have anything to do with knowledgability

two bugs

I think we'd have to address cultural issues about knowledge and the value of it beforehand.

Tim S.

@twobugs That'd be the only way

Unionhawk

screw that man what about my cognitive biases?

two bugs

7:24 PM

(I'm not being partisan here, left and right wings both have loony fringes)

Tim S.

haha

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs sounds like @twobugs is a loony moderate

Unionhawk

DID YOU EVER THINK ABOUT MY FREEDOMS TO BE AGRESSIVELY WRONG ALL THE TIME?

Sterno

What's your proposed solution to this?

Unionhawk

@Sterno Ban all users, delete all questions

two bugs

7:25 PM

@Sterno I don't have anything specific, I think the best we can do is encourage people to apply critical thought and value knowledge

I mean, stuff like "GMOs will kill us" is not based in science.

Frank

@Dragonrage Still waiting to hear back.

Waterseas

But they're 'unnatural'!

Sterno

For the people in a position to do that much, it's more profitable to NOT convince them to use critical thought and value knowledge. It's more profitable to convince them to vote the way you want them to.

Waterseas

Everyone knows natural = good, unnatural = bad

Unionhawk

The president had a sick burn on anti-intellectualists at some commencement this year

It was great

GodEmperorDune

7:26 PM

@Unionhawk obama burns best burns

Sterno

Let's face it, even us in here don't really want people to use critical thought. We want people to agree with us, and believe that critical thought will cause them to do so. Except clearly it doesn't work that way.

Tim S.

@Sterno Enter the 2nd big issue with politics.. the lobbyists :)

Waterseas

@Sterno Generally true

GodEmperorDune

@Sterno i'm ok with people using critical thought to disagree with me

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune Something about ignorance not being a virtue, despite what certain people >_> <_< say

Tim S.

7:27 PM

same here.. it's been used to change my mind lots of times

Unionhawk

And how it's mind boggling that that does not go without saying

Sterno

@GodEmperorDune Few are. Mainly because no one is perfectly knowledgable about everything. Even in a debate between two critical thinkers, one will get a fact wrong or have one fact less, and suddenly it's all about how they aren't as well informed so of course they are wrong

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk but trump has the best mind, 5/7 perfect memory

two bugs

@Sterno Oh, that's strange. I thought I wanted critical thought, but you told me I was wrong

Sterno

And then we end up screaming about uninformed voters. cycle back to start of discussion

Tim S.

7:28 PM

@GodEmperorDune Lol, not difficult with a 4th grade vocabulary

Sterno

@twobugs If I keep saying it you'll believe it!

Tim S.

Haha

Dragonrage

@twobugs you are wrong and you should feel bad for reasons im not going to tell you because you arent informed enough. or something

GodEmperorDune

i want critical thought because it would hopefully force both sides to step up their game in terms of arguments rather than bumper sticker slogans

two bugs

I would much rather have a discussion about how we can address our enormous prison population than whether or not Hillary stabbed and murdered 1000 people during Benghazi

GodEmperorDune

7:29 PM

boo obamacare and the cornhusker kickback

Sterno

@twobugs Whew, good thing you edited that. 10 just isn't enough for me to care.

two bugs

I had to be sensationalist enough

Unionhawk

@twobugs Well obviously it's not a matter of if it's a matter of how many more than a thousand?

/s,obviously

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs if hillary was so good at killing her opponents and covering it up, wouldn't she just have trump killed and make it look like an accident? i mean obama personally killed scalia, right?

two bugs

Top 1000 people Hillary stabbed. #357 will SHOCK you!

Dragonrage

7:31 PM

@twobugs thats a lot of people to stab, but you know what they say, one murder is a tragedy, 1000 is just a statistic

Tim S.

and a million murders and you are a god!

oh, wait.. no

Unionhawk

No I think you just prestige at that point and get your gold weapon

GnomeSlice

This election is cultural and noy political

Sterno

@twobugs A similarly well-informed voter might care more about the Benghazi events than the prison problem, when it comes to choosing a President.

GnomeSlice

not

Sterno

7:32 PM

Although seriously I'd watch a movie where Hillary Clinton goes on a war rampage and single-handedly make 1000 kills

IN ONE NIGHT

Dragonrage

@Sterno if hilary actually stabbed 1000 people, that would be a significant issue i would think

two bugs

@Sterno You're going to be hard pressed to argue this, given the number of times it was investigated and found to have no merit.

John

@GnomeSlice At this point...isn't politics our culture?

GodEmperorDune

@Sterno what, another POTG by hillary?!

Unionhawk

And the number is more than 10 afaik

Sterno

7:32 PM

Hillary is Bastion, confirmed

MadMAxJr

Trumphog

two bugs

That's... kind of my point. There are a lot of proxy issues people raise. On both sides.

Things like "GMOs will kill us, I don't care what the science says" are equally harmful.

Or vaccines. Etc.

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs because policy is boring. its much more exciting to make it about personality and knee jerk issues

Unionhawk

Well you know when Ted Cruz dropped out he transferred his Zodiac powers to Trump

ardaozkal

@TrentHawkins niice

Sterno

7:34 PM

I really enjoyed watching John Oliver's thing on Trump University. In particular Trump's ad for it, which sounded exactly like any of his campaign speeches.

Unionhawk

Since apparently Ted Cruz had powers or something

I don't know this joke is dumb

Dragonrage

@TimS. a million murders would equate to something like 46 murders a day

Tim S.

@Dragonrage wasn't aware there was a time frame.. hah

GodEmperorDune

@Sterno i mean trump is the ultimate campaigner because he has spent decades hyping himself while not mentioning anything of substance

two bugs

@Dragonrage What time frame? Per year, it'd be almost 3,000 per day.

Tim S.

7:35 PM

@GodEmperorDune It's the meat of any successful marketing campaign

two bugs

@TimS. Which makes it incredible that he isn't better at business :P

Tim S.

@twobugs That's what I've been saying

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs his business is licensing the trump brand

Tim S.

(to myself I mean)

GodEmperorDune

he makes a ton of money for not doing much

Tim S.

7:36 PM

he's had quite a few failed businesses

Dragonrage

@TimS. well, if you take the average life expectancy is 78 years, and you take off like 18 years for sleeping and being a kid, which seems reasonable enough you have like 60 years in which to do a million murders in

Tim S.

18 years for sleeping/being a kid? how much do you sleep? haha

two bugs

I'm curious as how to Trump's completely insane comments about the Judge are going to play in. His insanity might finally be catching up with him.

GnomeSlice

Trump is gonna build the thing and then "fix" trade and then probably do nothing else

GodEmperorDune

@TimS. there is also a difference between "my business failed for stuff outside of my control" and "all the shortcuts i took caught up with me"

GnomeSlice

7:37 PM

aka calvin coolidge

two bugs

Sure, people have said that before, but he's drawing a lot of blowback from even other republicans

Unionhawk

As long as none of his threats to rule of law that he's been making happen...

Tim S.

@GodEmperorDune This is true... I didn't care enough to research why they failed

Unionhawk

Because seriously

two bugs

@GnomeSlice Aren't you usually saying American Gov't is really complicated? It seems like you're oversimplifying things

GnomeSlice

7:38 PM

Isn't the American political system like designed to limit the amount of power of the president

Tim S.

@GodEmperorDune Darn you for using critical thinking against me.. i'm powerless now!! gahhh

Dragonrage

@TimS. like 1/4 of a lot of peoples days are spent asleep

Mad Scientist

@GodEmperorDune Most politicians can at least avoid contradicting themselves in the same interview. He doesn't seem to hold any position strongly enough to do that.

two bugs

@GnomeSlice No, it's designed to limit the power of any one branch.

Tim S.

@Dragonrage Yeah its supposed to be 1/3

two bugs

7:39 PM

The president is still a powerful person

GnomeSlice

@twobugs All I'm saying is that I don't really expect any earth shaking bad things to happen

Waterseas

Particularly presidential role too

GodEmperorDune

@TimS. i mean to me its also less about whether the businesses were ultimately successful vs whether he did unscrupulous things as part of the business, like regularly ripping off his vendors

GnomeSlice

hes just a bombastic clown

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Clash of clans unable to retrieve lost village

I lost my village after uninstalling it accidentally. I didn't link it to my account because the google play games version wasn't compatible with my phone. So, is there any way in which I can retrieve my village which in my case, the isn't linked to my google account.

clash-of-clans

GodEmperorDune

7:39 PM

@MadScientist my favorite joke so far is "how can you tell when trump is lying? his lips are moving"

two bugs

@GnomeSlice Other than him appointing a supreme court justice which will, at the very least, significantly impact judicial decisions for the rest of their lives?

Waterseas

Especially since if Trump does get elected, it's likely he'll end up with a democratic congress

Tim S.

@GodEmperorDune You mean like starting Trump University? charging university-type fees while providing nothing more than hotel conference room lecture presentations? :)

two bugs

I don't think you should try to tell Americans how their government works :)

Tim S.

I definitely agree with you

Waterseas

7:40 PM

@twobugs Nominating, not appointing

GnomeSlice

I'm not...

GodEmperorDune

@TimS. no i mean the fact that he regularly would not pay vendors for the final month of work, basically telling them to sue him

two bugs

@Waterseas There's no way congressional Democrats could stall for 4 years

Dragonrage

@TimS. yea, im being generous a 78 year old would probably have slept ~ 25 years, and then add another like 16 years at least for growing up and he only has like 37 years to kill people

Waterseas

They could force him to settle for a mdoerate

Unionhawk

7:40 PM

The only reason that's even on the table is the senate is a bunch of clowns right now

Waterseas

*moderate even

Unionhawk

Like

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice he could mess up a lot of things.

Sterno

Who says you can't kill people in your sleep? That's how my grandpa killed everyone in the car he was driving.

BAD TASTE JOKE, AHOY

Tim S.

@GodEmperorDune Ah, gotcha... he really did that?

GnomeSlice

7:41 PM

@GodEmperorDune Like what?

Dragonrage

so it would be closer to like 78 murders a day

two bugs

@GnomeSlice The economy, foreign relations, etc.

GnomeSlice

for the record i am not a trump supporter

Waterseas

Foreign Relations sure, economy unlikely

two bugs

He has explicitly stated he wants to make it easier to start libel cases

GnomeSlice

7:41 PM

@twobugs Foreign relations are at like an all time low arent they

Unionhawk

No, they aren't

GnomeSlice

okay not all time

two bugs

@Waterseas Wat. No. He can directly impact trade policy

Waterseas

Bush isn't president anymore @GnomeSlice

@twobugs Like what?

GodEmperorDune

@TimS. reuters.com/article/…

two bugs

7:42 PM

And no, wtf @ Foreign Relations being an all time low

Tim S.

No, Dubya had the lowest I beleive

believe*

@GodEmperorDune Uh, wow.

two bugs

@Waterseas Like any of his stated economy policies?

Waterseas

95% of which won't pass through congress?

Tim S.

wow...

just wow

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice he has said that he wants to start putting tariffs on goods from countries he doesn't like, ignoring the fact that those countries could turn around and do the exact same thing, effectively killing any jobs that relied on trade

GnomeSlice

7:45 PM

wait whats the difference between foreign relations and race relations

Waterseas

>.>

Unionhawk

Foreign relations means the relationship between the governments of the United States and X country

Tim S.

those are both things Trump is bad at.

Unionhawk

where X is whatever

Waterseas

Foreign relations is other countries, race relations is African Americans - Caucasians - Asian Americans, etc

two bugs

7:46 PM

@Waterseas So do you just think no economic stuff is going to pass and we'll have another shutdown?

GnomeSlice

Okay that's the bad one

Dragonrage

Linkin Park pls, I am not in the mood for your music.

two bugs

Let me know how that pans out

Waterseas

@Twobugs Wat? The shut down was solely because of a bipartisan congress, not related to presidential position at all

Unionhawk

Feb 24 at 14:23, by Grace Note

Entirely unrelated

two bugs

7:47 PM

@Waterseas I'm pointing out that you seem to think nothing will pass under President Trump. This is silly.

Waterseas

Not much of Trump's policies will

GnomeSlice

I also expect trump to not accomplish a whole lot

Dragonrage

@Unionhawk that is not helping. I am going to go listen to some coldplay

GnomeSlice

Which is a relief

Unionhawk

Well if you're wrong then we're boned

Like, there's no way around that

two bugs

7:48 PM

This notion of "the President doesn't do much" is Not Accurate but okay

GnomeSlice

Calvin Coolidge did nothing

Unionhawk

If you are not right about this, then the United States will be in Terrible Shape

two bugs

He did not "do nothing"

GnomeSlice

ir am i thinking of the dam guy

GodEmperorDune

trump's overall assumption is that america can just push around whoever they like and no one will push back. If people push back, he favors an overwhelming disproportionate response, making America extremely easy to goad into doing stupid things that hurt us as much as they hurt our opponent

Waterseas

7:49 PM

This notion of "policies supported by the president will get passed no matter the congress partisanship" is not accurate but okay

GnomeSlice

or*

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice And the Great Depression happened. I don't think he's a good example.

GnomeSlice

@Yuuki Yeah, good point

Yuuki

The other thing is that the President is the literal face of America.

two bugs

@Waterseas That's not what I said, but please continue to try and reframe the discussion

It doesn't seem like you're really interested in engaging other viewpoints here.

Waterseas

7:50 PM

@Twobugs And what you said wasn't what I said

GnomeSlice

@twobugs @Waterseas Play nice kids

:(

two bugs

@GnomeSlice I'm playing nice. I just don't know what is expected of me when discussions are "ur wrong" over and over.

murgatroid99

@Yuuki Right. Even if Trump never accomplishes anything legislatively, he could do a lot of damage diplomatically

Waterseas

It's a two way street

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs ignore user and go on your merry way :D

GnomeSlice

7:51 PM

@murgatroid99 Yeah that's the worrying one

two bugs

@GodEmperorDune I hate this as a solution. It's not good.

Waterseas

@Yuuki Thus why I agreed foreign relations would be the biggest issue

user15026

@twobugs It's there for a purpose, though

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs its not good but it saves your sanity

Yuuki

The fact a number of countries (Scotland for sure and maybe the UK?) have either jokingly or seriously considered a travel ban for Trump himself is a big warning sign.

two bugs

7:51 PM

@AshleyNunn True.

Mad Scientist

@murgatroid99 It's hard to take the US seriously with Trump at the head.

user15026

I am all for using it if it needs the using - it saves your own self frustration and anger squid feelings

GnomeSlice

thats like sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming lalalalala instead of discussing it like an adult

imo

two bugs

I'm just confused that someone is trying to say Trump wouldn't impact the economy and seems to be overlooking any counterargument

Waterseas

@GnomeSlice Exactly, it is

GnomeSlice

7:52 PM

re: ignoring

user15026

@GnomeSlice Which, ignoring?

GodEmperorDune

@AshleyNunn pockets the term 'anger squid' for later use

two bugs

Does the president unilaterally pass legislation? No, absolutely not.

Waterseas

@Twobugs It's almost like you're doing the same but opposite

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs executive orders are severely limited in scope

user15026

7:53 PM

I see it more as "I can't be calm and adult right now so I need to not be around this thing until such time as I can possibly be a calm rational person about this" and that might be never and that's okay

two bugs

Does the president have a lot of power? Yes, and it's foolish to overlook how much the president can impact economic policy.

GnomeSlice

Why is that okay

user15026

not everyone has to particpate in every discussion just because someone else wants them to

GnomeSlice

Fair I guess

two bugs

@GodEmperorDune I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the ability of the president to directly influence economic and monetary policy. Which is very real.

Mad Scientist

7:53 PM

If the president didn't have any power, there wouldn't be so much fuzz about the whole thing.

user15026

@GnomeSlice because honestly, the alternative is a bunch of people yelling at each other and it devolving into name calling and frustration

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You might not feel the full effects for a year or two, but it's real.

user15026

and like fine if that's your jam

Waterseas

@MadScientist No one said the president had zero power

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs not really, the fed is an independent board, obama can't tell them to raise or lower rates

Waterseas

7:54 PM

Only thing that has been argued is what exactly the president has power over

Dragonrage

5 MINUTES LEFT

user15026

but how about not in this nice public room where other people would like not to witness possibly people being jerks to each other

user15026

it's like a personal "I need some silent retreat time" button

GodEmperorDune

but various agencies can definitely do things that impact the economy

GnomeSlice

Maybe he'll just get assassinated

ardaozkal

7:54 PM

uugh I have another nomination text. I might rerun or noot

user15026

and I see nothing wrong with going 'I cannot engage constructively with this person so I can removing myself from said conversation"

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@GodEmperorDune Obama can't directly raise or lower taxes. But he does have significant influence over economic policy.

Waterseas

@AshleyNunn No real need for it to devolve, assuming both people are rational

ardaozkal

Will probably not

user15026

@Waterseas That's assuming an utter lack of emotion and things

user15026

7:55 PM

No one is rational all of the time

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I think the problem is actually when both people say they're rational.

GnomeSlice

Oh are we clearing stars now

user15026

we are meatsacks full of emotion and sometimes t hat wins

Waterseas

@twobugs It's probable that I do not understand what you mean. Do you mind getting more specific about what he has specific influence on?

GnomeSlice

Yes, clearly it does

Yuuki

7:55 PM

@GodEmperorDune Just because someone doesn't have hard power over someone else doesn't mean they don't have soft power.

Waterseas

@AshleyNunn There's a difference between lack of emotion, and ability to control/separate emotion

KutuluMike

pretty sure if people were rational we wouldn't ever be having a discussion involving Donald Trump and President of the US in the same sentence.

user15026

@Waterseas Not everyone can do that

user15026

Some people have that skill, others don't.

Waterseas

@KutuluMike No one's supporting him here from the looks of things, it's more discussion about theoretical impact

Mad Scientist

7:56 PM

@AshleyNunn I would phrase it differently, or just stay entirely silent. But deciding to stop engaging is usually a good way to just stop the issue before it escalates

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki fair

Unionhawk

ahem that was supposed to be a preemption

But now I just look silly to those of you who are either fast or italic

MadMAxJr

I want to see candidates attempt SMB world 1-1. It's not very long, it's not super technical, but it would tell me a lot about how in-tune they are with some basic things important to me.

Waterseas

@MadScientist Agreed, that's why arguably the better solution is to simply not reply to an argument if you're in that scenario, instead of just outright blocking the user unless they persist

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@Waterseas One of the many specific things is that the President is essentially the public face of their party.

GodEmperorDune

7:57 PM

to de-escalate things, i propose a break for googly eyes!

Unionhawk

The ignore feature is a good feature that exists for a good reason.

Mad Scientist

@Waterseas There's nothing wrong with ignoring users. But I personally do dislike public announcements of that fact

Waterseas

@twobugs Agreed, but if that party is the minority in both the senate and the house, is that an issue?

Unionhawk

It is not a bad solution in any way.

GnomeSlice

If trump wins it will destroy the republican party, theyll never run again

two bugs

7:58 PM

@Waterseas Considering that it's basically impossible for republicans to become a minority in the house...

GnomeSlice

sounds like a win to me

user15026

@Waterseas The problem is, though, that while yes theoretically I can just not reply, go silent, leave the room, etc, what if I want to be able to talk to other people in the room who don't raise my blood pressure through the roof (logically or otherwise)

Unionhawk

@Waterseas You're supposing that the democrats win back the congress.

Mad Scientist

@GnomeSlice What is dead may never die ;-)

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@GnomeSlice Bookmarking this for 4 years down the road

user15026

7:58 PM

@MadScientist Yeah, the whole announcing the thing is annoying. Just let it go

two bugs

So I can tell you how silly you are

GnomeSlice