The Bridge

Unionhawk

1:00 AM

All right, HP, SHOW ME ONCE AGAIN HOW WORTHLESS YOUR SOFTWARE DOWNLOAD SERVERS ARE

Chippies

Sandisk players are known to have great sound quality and that one has an SD card slot

user15026

@Chippies No because I am stubborn and am scared it won't work how I want

LessPop_MoreFizz

But the live experience is best because it is a live show that takes live phone calls from real people. (Many of whom are very dumb and bad at calling radio shows, but many of whom are delightful and funny and awesome.

Chippies

@AshleyNunn well, I can assure you that nothing is going to work like Apple does :P

user15026

(which is irrational and I am paranoid and I know that)

LessPop_MoreFizz

1:00 AM

TOM IS LIVE

Unionhawk

Oh it's done

YOU HAVE DISAPPOINTED ME HP

user15026

@Chippies I just want something very simple that plays music, lets me sort by artist/album, maybe remembers what I added recently, and has buttons

Unionhawk

I expected that to take 3-5 business days

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn I used an older Sansa clip for a long time and was really really happy with it

It was actually my first mp3 player

Chippies

@AshleyNunn it does have buttons (not sure if this particular model has touch buttons or clicky ones) and the rest sounds like pretty basic stuff

SaintWacko

1:02 AM

@AshleyNunn That's pretty much exactly what a Clip is

Chippies

oh I linked wrong player :O

SaintWacko

This is more like what I had

amazon.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Clip-Player-Black/dp/B002MAPT7U/…

user15026

@SaintWacko I'd need something a little bigger (because I have a lot of music) but that actually looks like what I want

user15026

is loading stuff onto it easy?

user15026

(also, how in the blue hell am I going to get all my music -off- my ipod?)

Chippies

1:03 AM

@SaintWacko yes! That's what I thought I was linking

google gave me wrong link

@AshleyNunn sd card compatibility

user15026

@Chippies oh, okay, that's awesome

Chippies

oh the one I linked was a newer model

so I guess google didn't exactly give me a wrong link, just a newer one :P

user15026

@SaintWacko wait, wait, wait, radio? :D

Chippies

@AshleyNunn ipod doesn't have radio, does it? :P

GnomeSlice

@LessPop_MoreFizz drinkingquest.com

user15026

1:06 AM

@Chippies nope

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GnomeSlice I own this game.

user15026

Also, this thing is CHEAP!

GnomeSlice

~~good~~ of course you do

Chippies

@AshleyNunn and known for quality

user15026

(I have no job really, so I appreciate it!)

user15026

1:06 AM

@Chippies even better

user15026

Oh, Bridge, I love you because now I can stop panicking if it doesn't work

user15026

@SaintWacko how easy is it to load stuff onto it?

user15026

(Did I already ask that?)

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn You just plug it into the computer and open it up as a device and copy music onto it

user15026

@SaintWacko Nice!

Chippies

1:07 AM

@AshleyNunn acts as removable device

SaintWacko

Or you can load things on through windows media player

user15026

Anyone know anything about getting music off a ipod?

SaintWacko

If you use that

Chippies

@AshleyNunn I think there's a way to set it to act like a removable storage, but I could be wrong and that might not apply to ipod classic

but Idk anything about ipods tbh

user15026

@Chippies I will have to poke the internet with sticks

Chippies

1:10 AM

@AshleyNunn this might help, maybe, not sure

user15026

@Chippies I don't need to move my iTunes library, I need to yank things off my iPod because a lot of my stuff doesn't exist on this computer

Chippies

@AshleyNunn bah, Idk how them apples work :P

user15026

(a good pile of my music, for various reasons like moving out and relationships breaking, only exists on my iPod)

user15026

@Chippies No worries, I will check Ask Different and see if they know

user15026

and if not I will ask :P

Chippies

1:11 AM

AHA! wikihow.com/Copy-Music-from-Your-iPod-to-Your-Computer

this is what I was saying about the removable storage @AshleyNunn

user15026

@Chippies yay! <3

user15026

This is looking more and more like I have an affordable solution :D

Fluttershy

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn Best Show Music time is over if you want to tune in to good talking stuff

45 mins ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn @Fluttershy @TimStone @ other people who care about beer exploits: lookit whut I have in the fridge

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz That sounds tasty. I tried a couple of new beers last night myself! They were also tasty.

beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/31442/156288 and ratebeer.com/beer/three-floyds-yum-yum/247646

Also, I took that picture last night. The Ohio River is flooding. :o It was crazy.

user15026

1:20 AM

@Fluttershy That does look pretty crazy

LessPop_MoreFizz

I don't like traveller, but three floyds makes very tasty things.

Ben

Suggestion: "How to read Minecraft Crash logs"

murgatroid99

@Ben what?

Ben

In the similar fashion of "How to ask a good Minecraft Crash Question"

@murgatroid99 well, at what percentage would you say we get Minecraft Crash questions?

murgatroid99

@Ben I have minecraft ignored, so I have no idea

Ben

1:23 AM

And in what percentage of those, the answer can be found in the crash dumps?

murgatroid99

I just didn't understand what you were saying

Ben

@murgatroid99 well that would be an indicator of how many we got lol

murgatroid99

That doesn't seem like it would be on topic on meta, so you'll have to ask in a way that's actually valid on main, like "How can I figure out what's gone wrong from a Minecraft crash log?"

Ben

That would be a better way of going about it :P

@murgatroid99 there is a question that is similar... but I don't know.

Frank

@Ben Probably roughly 50% or so.

It's a ton.

murgatroid99

1:29 AM

Why is this on meta? — badp ♦ Oct 28 '14 at 20:26

Ben

The info I wanted to get was along the lines of keywords, what to look for specifically... so the Average Joe can figure it out for himself

@murgatroid99 Don't ask me :P

@Frank Exactly. I've made a vendetta against the "Minecraft Crash" questions. I want to do my best to get rid of them

Frank

@Ben While I agree they suck, you're tilting at windmills.

We'd basically have to give a primer in debugging code for people to understand it.

And there's no way people will actually read it.

They just want their problem solved.

user15026

@Ben That's never going to happen

user15026

Vendetta or no

Ben

Dang it

While I do realise it's impossible to get rid of them entirely, I'm just trying to find a way to reduce them as much as I can.

Lazers

1:33 AM

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Q: Does Swedens UA work in team-games?

Lets say I setup a game 3v3, and I'm sweden, will I automatically get the 20% bonus from having 2 allies?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn Ellie kemper is on right now

if you're not tuned in and want to

Chippies

2:07 AM

@Ben what I imagine would happen is we'd ignore all questions that are basically crash dumps and link the guide on how to read them to the user, then the user would half assedly read the link and ask a question and we'd just ask for crash log, because the user didn't read/understand the crash log properly

Frank

It's too bad we can't force a template for users to fill out, if they use a certain tag, and it detects keywords.

Not that it would guarantee they'd actually fill it out properly.

RPi Awesomeness

Should I say sorry for my rant earlier? Because I think I should :(

So, sorry to everyone about my rant/argument earlier. I feel I might have overstepped my bounds a bit :P

Unionhawk

I have said it before, and I will say it again, asking them for versions and mod lists when they have a crash log that contains all of those things is almost literally useless

Chippies

@RPiAwesomeness did I miss a rant?

or are you talking about Linux discussion we had?

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies No, the Linux discussion.

I have my own reasons for using Ubuntu and I feel like I was a bit elitist about using Linux and it being far and away better than Windows.

Chippies

2:18 AM

@RPiAwesomeness I don't see anything to apologize for, we were all just having a healthy discussion

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies You don't? Oh good. :)

Chippies

@RPiAwesomeness if there were more linux supporters in that discussion, it may have seemed totally other way around

RPi Awesomeness

It felt to me like I might have offended a few people, @AshleyNunn in particular :(

Chippies

every time I talk about Windows, I feel like someone probably thinks I'm a fanboy and/or elitist

@RPiAwesomeness I highly doubt that

pretty sure most people take more than that to be offended here :P

RPi Awesomeness

Good.

Chippies

2:21 AM

and it's not like you were just shouting "LINUX IS THE BEST, WINDOWS SUCKS!" :P You were giving proper arguments, which we were all discussing

user15026

@RPiAwesomeness irritated, not offended, over it because whatever, there's Trek to be watched (I tend to be of the fast burning sort of temper, it flares, it fizzles, I move on and eat cupcakes)

Matt Giltaji

@RPiAwesomeness i am entirely offended by the fact that i was not listed at being offended

Chippies

I find that you seem to think that you offend people here quite often :P

RPi Awesomeness

I do believe that I've got a bit picky about my OS in the past 2-3 years and I haven't properly used Windows in that period, so I really shouldn't be speaking on this point anyways :P

@MattGiltaji Well Good. That was my intention this entire time.

;)

Matt Giltaji

@RPiAwesomeness excellent, glad we are in agreement on this :D

RPi Awesomeness

2:22 AM

@AshleyNunn :D And listen to bagpipe rock, amirite?

Chippies

I, personally, enjoy talking about why Linux is better than Windows, because lately there seems to be a trend of people talking about how Microsoft is ruining Windows and how everyone is soon going to switch to Linux

user15026

@RPiAwesomeness Not at the moment, but yes

Chippies

and as a windows user, that thought is baffling to me, so hearing from Linux users is good experience :P

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies ... I have fairly controversial views on most things, and thus have the potential to cause offense quite easily.

@Chippies Oh that whole fiasco. Ugh. That thing has been blown way out of proportion.

Chippies

@RPiAwesomeness if someone gets offended by hearing your views, it's their own fault, imho

and people will always find a reason to be offended

Unionhawk

2:25 AM

I am offended at the idea that if I am offended it is my fault (no not really)

Chippies

@RPiAwesomeness ever since Windows 8 was released, there's so much talk about how it's a crap OS, because they changed the start menu UI

Matt Giltaji

@Unionhawk i am offended that you are trying to usurp my inappropriate offendedness

RPi Awesomeness

I do, personally, find that Ubuntu/Linux is better - but that may be just because I've used it as essentially my one and only OS because I can't afford Windows and because I'm a power-user and prefer to have the ability to control anything I want to on my computer as opposed to the guiding hand of windows.

Matt Giltaji

@Chippies well i bounced from ubuntu after the unity mess

murgatroid99

@Chippies Windows 8 is bad for other reasons

Matt Giltaji

2:26 AM

where can i find an old fashioned desktop?!

Chippies

@MattGiltaji Unity is much more than what changed in windows though

RPi Awesomeness

@MattGiltaji Uh...Slackware? :D

Chippies

@murgatroid99 I am always happy to hear these reasons :) Because usually no one gives any

RPi Awesomeness

@MattGiltaji Or, if you're really wanting to go old-school and be a masochist, use Arch :D

Matt Giltaji

@RPiAwesomeness yeah i want to have some time left over to actually use the computer after setting it up

Chippies

2:27 AM

p.s when I talk about Windows 8, I mean 8.1, because there's no reason to still be on 8.0

RPi Awesomeness

@MattGiltaji ;)

Yuuki

@Chippies But what if you like even decimals?

RPi Awesomeness

@MattGiltaji That I really fail to understand any grounding in. Yes, I've only ever used Unity as my DE, but I personally find it very useful and usable

murgatroid99

@Chippies The focus on non-mouse-based UI, the strange tendency of metro programs to restart every time you switched to another program

The fact that programs weren't in windows, and the flexibility that provides disappears

Chippies

@murgatroid99 yeah, some stuff got moved to the metro interface, but most is still available through regular means. I can't speak of metro apps, because I have never used any

I didn't use them in Windows 7, don't have to use them in Windows 8

which is another thing I find silly

murgatroid99

2:29 AM

@Chippies OK, I'll admit that you could basically run Windows 7 in Windows 8, but almost every change in Windows 8 was for the worse

Chippies

people complain about metro apps, when they didn't even exist in previous versions of windows

RPi Awesomeness

Personally, I think Microsoft was trying to be ahead of the curve on the whole touchscreen thing. A few years down the line, it would have worked. But we're still in a computing era where computers aren't all touchscreens and Metro doesn't really work terribly amazingly (In my minor experience) with a mouse.

Matt Giltaji

@RPiAwesomeness before unity i had a DE that had all the nice familiar aspects, menu locations, etc, of a windows environment but with the immense power of a posix cli and stability/low resource usage you would expect from linux

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn If you haven't found a way to get stuff off your ipod yet, phonebrowse might do it.

RPi Awesomeness

It's not bad as a touch screen OS. And, with some tweaking and a bit more listening to the users, Windows 8 can be a good OS.

Chippies

2:30 AM

@murgatroid99 I can't argue that, but, imho, the changes are quite minor for an average user and the performance benefits are substantial

user15026

@GnomeSlice I think I have a way, but I will keep that in mind if it doesn't work once I try what @Chippies found me

Matt Giltaji

unity took the majority of that away and made it hard for me to do work

RPi Awesomeness

@MattGiltaji Which one?

murgatroid99

@Chippies The average user was forced to start in Metro

Matt Giltaji

@RPiAwesomeness one of the gnome 3s

RPi Awesomeness

2:31 AM

The whole faster boot times and UEFI/secure boot stuff is great in Windows 8. I'm personally looking forward to Windows 10

Chippies

@murgatroid99 eh, true enough, you do have to have some understanding of windows to switch it to boot to desktop

Matt Giltaji

brb

murgatroid99

@Chippies Also, that "move the mouse to the right edge of the screen to access stuff" thing was awful

Chippies

but once it's set up, it's basically a faster version of windows 7 with a different start menu

RPi Awesomeness

@MattGiltaji Really? That's different. Most people who disliked Unity seem to dislike the whole Gnome 2 vs Gnome 3 debacle

Chippies

2:32 AM

@murgatroid99 yeah, that is something I wish I could disable. Hopefully in windows 10 I will

it doesn't bother me that much though

murgatroid99

@Chippies It's the fact that they put it where the exit button is that makes it really stupid

RPi Awesomeness

From what I've seen anyways. Again. I joined the OS Master Race myself in 2011, fairly soon after the switch to Unity as default and really didn't start using it as my main OS ~1 1/2 yrs later w. 12.04.

Chippies

@murgatroid99 oh that doesn't affect me, since my taskbar is on the right edge

RPi Awesomeness

I'm joking about the OS Master Race part ... mostly

murgatroid99

Also, the fact that critical settings are there and it's hard for the average user to even know about

Chippies

2:33 AM

so I never really go into the far top right corner

Unionhawk

Not sure if the phrase "OS master race" is better or worse than what "PC master race" has become

Chippies

@murgatroid99 yeah, there are some settings that are harder to find, because they're hidden in the metro UI

RPi Awesomeness

@Unionhawk ikr

murgatroid99

@Chippies I meant like the control panel is only in that hover-to-the-right thing

I think

Chippies

@murgatroid99 I don't think that's true, I'll have to check though...

RPi Awesomeness

2:34 AM

I have to say...the Windows 10 start menu and general design changed dramatically between the first dev build I tried out and the second-most-recent one (9926). The new design, IMO, looks really bad.

murgatroid99

I downgraded my laptop from 8 to 7 after a few months because it was awful

Chippies

right there it is

murgatroid99

@Chippies Isn't that the hover to the right thing?

Chippies

@murgatroid99 oh, I thought you meant the quick access menu in the bottom left corner

this is the reason why I don't want to go back to Win 7

most of the stuff I'd ever need just a click away

murgatroid99

@Chippies 90% of those things are either in the Win 7 start menu or useless

Maybe another click away

Chippies

2:37 AM

@murgatroid99 gotta go through a bunch of junk in start menu to find them though

murgatroid99

I know how to get to almost all of those in a few clicks

Most of the middle is Start Menu->Right Click Computer->Manage

RPi Awesomeness

The buttons are oddly sized and the new icon theme is rather bright and garish

murgatroid99

Task Manager is Ctrl+Shift+Esc

Chippies

it's less of a resource hog than start menu :P

murgatroid99

I don't think I've ever noticed a resource drain from opening the Start Menu

Chippies

2:39 AM

although I doubt it would matter on my new laptop with SSD

@murgatroid99 resource drain, no, but it can take anywhere from half a second to 2 or more to open if the computer is at load

or even at idle on my old laptop

especially if you have a lot of folders in start menu

of course, it doesn't matter for the average user with a decent computer

I do like the simplicity and responsiveness of the quick access menu

Lazers

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Q: Where can I acquire Succubi/Liliths?

Where is a good place to farm Succubus (or higher variants, but Succubus is presumably the easiest)? I had decent luck farming Nagas from Hyperion Lava Flow - Serpent Loved by Flame, but I've spent a couple hundred stamina running the dark equivalent, Clayus Prison - Witch of the Darkness, and g...

puzzle-and-dragons

Chippies

it is also possible to add your own shortcuts on that list, but it's complicated and I think requires some registry editing, iirc

maybe windows 10 will add the option to customize the menu

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies What do you mean customize it?

The sidebar things like My Computer and stuff?

Chippies

@RPiAwesomeness add/remove shortcuts from it

7 mins ago, by Chippies

this menu

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies Ah. So the sidebar stuff like My Computer.

Oh, that one. I see.

Well, they've got the live tiles that are customizable off the right side of the start menu ... if that's anything.

And Cortana's search bar is annoylingly large and non-resizable.

Chippies

2:44 AM

@RPiAwesomeness totally different thing :P

I like my metro start menu the way it is, tbh

it's basically my frequently used shortcut dump

being able to run metro apps windowed though might make more people actually care about metro apps

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies Which is something Windows 10 is gonna have. But boy are the window control buttons strangely large.

I think they're still catering to touchscreen users ... mayhap to push their surface tablets..?

Chippies

@RPiAwesomeness yeah, that's why I mentioned it :) Haven't seen the buttons though

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies If I remember I'll pull up my VM tomorrow and grab a screenshot.

Chippies

I see nothing wrong with making the OS more touchscreen friendly, but I do hope they add the option to customize it for desktop use

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies Yeah. I think that's one of the biggest issues that plagues Windows is the lack of customizability.

Chippies

2:49 AM

I'd actually like to have a surface pro, but they're way expensive

RPi Awesomeness

You can choose a color scheme for your computer! <-- Doesn't cut it.

Chippies

maybe one day though

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies Oh, heck yeah. I'd love a surface pro!

Chippies

@RPiAwesomeness too much customizability can lead to fragmentation (linux distros) and compatibility issues

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies And that's one of the flaws in Linux/FOSS. The ability to fork stuff like there's no tomorrow :P

Chippies

2:51 AM

that's something I don't really have a strong opinion on, tbh

RPi Awesomeness

People fork projects way, way too commonly

Chippies

with windows I usually adapt quite quickly

and I customize what I can, if I care enough to do it

but I also understand that being able to customize it more is a good thing

I do remember there being custom shells for windows, idk whatever happened to that

stuff that replaced explorer.exe

I remember installing one back in the XP days, it was a trial version

after the trial ended I uninstalled it wrongly or something

I couldn't run explorer.exe

didn't have internet back then, so I lived for about a half year without explorer

RPi Awesomeness

If people just stuck with something through the rough spots and fixed the problems and weren't so darn selfish over silly things like what DE to use, Linux/FOSS in general would be in a better place

Chippies

I used task manager as my explorer

you can do so much through task manager's "run new task" window :P

RPi Awesomeness

@Chippies Ouch xD

Chippies

2:54 AM

@RPiAwesomeness wouldn't that defeat the whole idea of Linux? Every single user having their own custom version of Linux? :P (exaggerating)

RPi Awesomeness

Yeah, I tried one of those out too. I removed it though, because I couldn't find any themes I really liked :P

Chippies

I haven't heard of anything lately that actually replaces the whole shell, though

usually it's just some fancy stuff like rainmeter, but I don't think it replaces explorer

just adds stuff to it, I think...

I could be wrong though

RPi Awesomeness

Replaces the whole thing? No. Theme it, yes. Window Blinds is one I think...there was another one I can't remember now

Chippies

I think maybe the option to replace the shell was removed after XP

or maybe too much stuff relies on explorer.exe in newer windows versions

RPi Awesomeness

Perhaps. I haven't really used Windows after XP on a computer I can tweak :D

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