The Bridge - 2014-03-21 (page 7 of 7)

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10:01 PM

KRUNCH is now available on Steam!

Also, anybody who bought it on IndieGameStand during the feature has access to a Steam activation code now.

Where is @AshleyNunn when I need her? D:

twitter.com/Greenspeak/status/447050321068441600

@GnomeSlice I've watched this guy stream Dark Souls. It's funny. :P

I just realized that didn't onebox correctly.

@jmfsg Can you use your mod powers to fix the link for me?

Or are you one of the ones who has me blocked

@fredley

@GnomeSlice What needs to be done to it?

10:10 PM

@fredley https > http

So that it oneboxes

Nope

doesn't really matter I guess

Still doesn't

I woke up this morning to a Twitter feed full of Unity jokes. You people are fucking NERDS.

Tweeted by Greenspeak on March 21, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Weird

I woke up this morning to a Twitter feed full of Unity jokes. You people are fucking NERDS.

Tweeted by Greenspeak on March 21, 2014 at 4:41 PM

10:11 PM

@Fluttershy Who is he? Somebody retweeted it into my feed today

I used https and still worked

> Formerly of Computer Gaming World magazine. Formerly of 1up.com . Formerly of EA. Formerly of PopCap. Current status unknown.

@Fluttershy So helpful

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IGS 4 LYFE

CC @Fluttershy If you got that one.

@GnomeSlice I don't think I did.

@Fluttershy Sad face. That game is awesome.

store.steampowered.com/app/280500

Check it out

This one is actually good, not just the kind of good you guys ignore when I say a game is good

3

That's not funny

10:18 PM

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Q: Oh, look, it's "unreleased content" again

So, apparently we recently had two closure/reopen wars on questions about diablo-3 and specifically the upcoming Reaper of Souls expansion ("What armor and weapons do Crusaders use?" and "How much XP is needed for levels 60 through 70?"). Since we already have a meta Q about the Crusader questio...

discussion closing editing

HAI ALL

@FEichinger oh, I'm spoiled. I can't deal with a diff unless it's a side by side diff. Maybe I should download that KSP diff and open it with something else.

@MBraedley Heh. It really doesn't help much. There's a couple of NaN->0 and 0->NaN switches and stuff like that, but nothing that would cause what the asker had, as far as I could tell.

Today's Listening

Next

10:24 PM

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4223990

Hooray for not read the entire edit before approving!

@fredley This is getting stupid.

@GnomeSlice It's getting stupid?

It passed stupid a long time ago.

@badp What ... what did you change?

@fei

Does anyone know if retail versions of Reaper of Souls are getting the pre-order purchases?

10:32 PM

> Pre-purchase the expansion digitally on Battle.net to receive the Wings of Valor in Diablo III and unlock Valla the Demon Hunter in Heroes of the Storm.

@SepiaLazers Nope. It's closed the way it's supposed to.

@Frank The votes seem to disagree with you.

@FEichinger So. Here's your chance. Wanna do this civilly? Or do I ignore you again?

@OrigamiRobot If you pre-order Reaper of Souls at a retail store, be sure to redeem your Reaper of Souls game key before 11:59 PM PST on March 31, 2014. If you redeem your game key after that date, your pre-order loot will be lost.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Maple Bacon Coffee Porter is a liquid that is in my mouf.

10:34 PM

what I don't understand however, is there a difference between "pre-order" version of retail and non-preorder?

would any retail version be considered as preorder if redeemed before march 31st?

@Frank I've said my part. And I'm not going to argue the same shit with you over and over again, just because you refuse to accept community consensus as what it is just because you don't like the consensus.

@FEichinger So, blah blah, you're right, I'm wrong.

Ok, back onto ignore list, then.

@Frank Which is different from you stomping your feet ... how exactly?

@Frank lol

You had your chance. You decided it wasn't worth it.

10:35 PM

Eventually @Frank is going to have nobody to talk to.

drama! It's why I love the internet!

Now now, children. If you can't behave, no ice cream for you.

@OrigamiRobot I'm an adult now, look, I have money for my own ice cream :P

You want to have a proper argument? Then treat your opponent with respect. That respect that you demand we give new users, but refuse to offer to me. With that, I'm done. Do it civilly, or don't do it.

I give you respect when you stop pretending you run this site.

10:38 PM

@Frank To be fair, ultimatums are never really civil.

@OrigamiRobot I gave him his chance. I was willing to discuss it.

I was perfectly willing to discuss this. A couple of hours ago.

In the meantime, I've made meta posts.

I have said my piece now.

@GnomeSlice just where did you found that?

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Q: Getting ammo from dropped guns?

Is there any way to get ammo from dropped guns other than dropping the gun your holding and picking up the other one? Besides this being tedious, it's buggy from time to time, as the my weapon I'd drop disappears under the floor.

metro-last-light

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Q: Is there any way to reconnect online without quitting to the menu?

One of my favorite improvements that DSII has over it's predecessor is that it can gracefully transition from online to offline in the case of a disconnect. I haven't found a way to connect back online after a disconnect without backing out to the menu. Is there a way I can seamlessly transition...

0

Q: How close can I be to a bomb without getting blown up?

For some reason, bomb damage tends to be somewhat erratic in this game. For example, on dust2, if I'm at mid double doors when the bomb explodes, I end up dying (around 25 hp left or so), whereas if I'm in the situations sometimes, I can by on lower cat and end up surviving with a minimal amount...

counter-strike-go

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Q: Does the lockpicking skill level in and of itself affect the difficulty of picking a lock?

My lockpicking is 100 and I am thinking about setting it to legendary so I can return my few perks back to the pool. I don't want to do this, though, if resetting it back to 15 will make lockpicking harder.

@Braiam meta tavern

10:48 PM

@fei my vote. I was disagreeing at first, then I thought about Minecraft weeklies and changed my mind

@badp Tsk, tsk, tsk!

(I removed a space after the period of the first line, iirc)

I can see where @Frank is coming from, but an answer based on the beta would not be a speculative answer and we don't tag Q's about betas in a special way, closing those Qs as no longer relevant when the game is out

It is true that it is quite awkward to reply based on a beta that is right now offline, however

I still don't think that XP question is asking specifically about the beta. <_<

10:52 PM

...so you kinda can't verify the answer by launching the beta and doing science

imho, only questions that are duplicates or spam should be closed

everything else can be left in community hands

stuff that's unpopular or bad or whatever would get downvoted probably

or just ignored

@flu it was not. But it can be given an answer based on fact with information from the beta

Are you...are you on mobile chat?

@badp But the question isn't about the beta, so the answer is null. It's a question about unreleased content that just happens to be tangentially (and possibly not even correctly) related to a thing that is no longer an option.

@TimStone assuming you're referring to me, no I just type faster than I think. Take it as you will :x

10:54 PM

@badp And this is something I could agree on. If we establish it has to still be live, that'd be somewhat fine with me. I mean, the content was available at one point and people could have that information, but it makes sense to say it's not useful to ask when there isn't even a live version of it.

This is the reason, I think, behind the awkward attempt to salvage the post

@Chippies No, I was actually referring to @badp

6 hours ago, by Sterno

Clearly we should keep arguing about the question until Tuesday when it all becomes irrelevant.

I am on mobile chat.

@TimStone oh, I figured you were referring to me not being able to contain myself in one post :x

10:55 PM

@GnomeSlice But if we do that @Sterno will feed off all of the drama until his power level reaches epic proportions. IT'S A TRAP!

@badp I'm sorry :(

@Chippies On mobile chat, Return doesn't send, so you'd probably be more likely to contain yourself in one post. ;)

A scenario occurs to me: is the closed beta of the expansion currently playable?

@FEichinger oh I see, heh

@tim my cousin weds tomorrow. There should be cake

Oh, congratulations to your cousin on getting married, and to everyone else for there being cake.

10:57 PM

@Frank if the information is available form beta and the answer can be updated once expansion is released, why can't it be answered?

Incidentally we'll meet the lucky lady for the first time tomorrow

@Chippies Because I see the live and beta product as two separate instances.

@Frank It is not.

That said, @badp, if we do cut off with "it's no longer live", we generate a new problem.

@Frank from what I gather, you are the only one that does.

10:58 PM

24 mins ago, by GnomeSlice

@Frank The votes seem to disagree with you.

The question could be asked twice: Once during the beta, once after it's officially released.

We never had a [*-beta] tag

But not in-between.

That is nonsensical.

@Fluttershy Then I am perfectly happy in my stance on beta and live being two separate instances.

As far as I know, anyway.

10:58 PM

@Chippies If I was, those questions would never have gotten closed.

@fei I'm not sure it makes sense. I said it's awkward. It would be equally awkward if somebody asked a City of Heroes question today

Contrary to @FEichinger's opinion, community consensus isn't as clear as he makes it out to be.

@Frank Do you ever not complain about things?

I do not think there would be grounds for closing then

@GnomeSlice Just.... stop.

10:59 PM

It would be awkward

@GnomeSlice Asking for an honest answer (I think I found a chat bug) - did you star @Chippies' message there?

@Fluttershy I'm just having fun. :)

It wouldn't be close worthy, I think

@GnomeSlice And making yourself look like a jerk in the process.

@FEichinger I did.

10:59 PM

@Frank why you say it should be closed?

@Fluttershy Don't you all think I'm a jerk already?

@badp Well, yeh, but CoH isn't likely to be re-released any time soon.

2 mins ago, by Frank

@Chippies Because I see the live and beta product as two separate instances.

One was playable, but no longer.

I'd still leave both open, but I can see how the CoH one is ... less awkward.

7 hours ago, by Sterno

Clearly we should keep arguing about the question until Tuesday when it all becomes irrelevant.

@Sterno is my hero

I need to go make some dinner

11:00 PM

And has now changed, thereby making the beta not the same as what goes live on Tuesday.

@Frank there are games that have beta version and stable version running at same time (like beta server to test new stuff before implementing them into stable version) - those are separate instances.
If a beta over time turns into a stable version, then it's not two separate instances, because they can not both co-exist.

@Frank I meant off topic, too broad?

@GnomeSlice Okay, thanks. Apparently ignore identifies starrers.

@Braiam Off-topic, unreleased.

@gno no. You are not a jerk. You are not a child. You are impulsive. It is different

11:01 PM

@FEichinger Wait, what?

Also it's been getting better

@FEichinger Huh? :o Science time! Who can I ignore and then have them star something of mine?

@badp @Gno u

@Fluttershy Doesn't need to be something of yours.

@Chippies And if they are playable, I will wholeheartedly support questions about them.

11:02 PM

@FEichinger Now it makes even less sense.

@Frank it's public available beta? or closed, by invitation, etc?

@Fluttershy If I ignore someone, and they are the first star on a message, that star only shows up in the star list, not in the message list.

@Frank but it's only temporarily unplayable.

2 mins ago, by Frank

And has now changed, thereby making the beta not the same as what goes live on Tuesday.

@FEichinger Ooooh, okay. That makes more sense.

11:03 PM

@FEichinger What, why did you ignore me? =[

@Braiam Closed beta.

@Fluttershy Up for SCIENCE!?

Wait, the message list ignores stars from ignored users?

@Frank in that sense games get updates, they change over time, should we consider a game before an update a separate instance?

... and The sidebar doesn't?

11:03 PM

@badp I'm gonna SCIENCE! it.

@FEichinger Yeah! I'm gonna ignore you! And then you can star something!

@Fluttershy Alrighty.

Okay, @FEichinger, star something!

@Chippies Are they playable at all points before and after the update?

Star me!

11:04 PM

the way I see it is - there's a game in beta, it gets turned off for an update, it comes back on (coincidentally it's no longer in beta) and it keeps being available to people.

I don't think that worked.

I saw it in the message list and the star list.

@Frank most MMOs are unplayable during updates

@FEichinger Unignored!

I'll star today's good morning bridge message in the meantime to confuse things

@Fluttershy Could require that the user is ignored before page load.

11:05 PM

@Frank in this case, the update time is just longer

@FEichinger Why did you ignore me!

@Fluttershy Star something! :D

@Chippies This falls into that wonky time between playable and not playable.

THEN I WILL CLEAR ALL STARS FROM ALL GOOD MORNING BRIDGE MESSAGES EVER AND IT SHALL BE GLORIOUS

@Frank seems like a gray area

11:05 PM

If we got a question during an MMO's update, it would depend on the type of question.

@badp It small be glorious, huh.

@Fluttershy Hm, didn't work either.

Mwahahaahaahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaah

If it was, "What does this update add?", that'd be completely unreleased content, and burn with great prejudice.

If it was about previous content, I have no issue with it.

@Frank what if it was asking about the XP table, that gets changed in the update, but it wasn't mentioned in patch logs?

@fei autocorrect strikes a gain

11:06 PM

@Chippies Depends on the question.

@FEichinger Weird. Maybe @TimStone saw you talking about it, and stealthily fixed it so no one would believe you, and you'd look cray-cray.

@Fluttershy Well, I've had a couple of ignore-related bugs before, so it would've made for a ... sensible explanation. But it could be any sort of network errors, too.

@Frank I see. What kind of question would pass?

As far as I'm concerned, if the content has been publicly available and you've played it, you can ask about it.

I'll have to SCIENCE! some more in the future.

11:07 PM

@Chippies Those that ask about the game pre-update.

@Fluttershy Shhhh

I have Cake. I am happy.

@Frank makes sense, I suppose. But if you asked about something that is already in the game, but no one knows if it gets changed after update or not, would that pass?

@Chippies Why would you be asking about something that you have no idea gets changed or not?

That's textbook speculation.

gaming.stackexchange.com/q/161172/#comment215985_161172

The first sentence makes me think of Yoda..

11:10 PM

@Frank Because if it was relevant a year ago, it was relevant a week ago, it was relevant yesterday, it might be relevant tomorrow, you don't know if it changes or not. You ask what something was like before, because you can't ask what something will be like.

@Chippies Asking what something was like before implies that it will get changed. Rather, just ask how it currently works.

@Frank what I'm trying to say is, if you ask about for example how much experience it takes to get from level 1 to level 2, while the game is down for a update, would that be a legit question?

@3ventic The intention that was.

@Chippies Was level 2 in the game prior to the update? My answer is the same as the answer to that.

@Frank But the expansion content was available before "it went down" (that is, the beta ended).

11:12 PM

For the record, I do understand @FEichinger's stance. I just don't agree with it, due to the lengthy time between beta and release.

@Frank what if the game was in beta and it was shut down to be switched to release version?

@Frank okay, I can understand that.

@Chippies For the most part, I'd say we can assume it was about the beta.

This one is just wonky in the length of time between beta, and release. And we get questions that are obviously asking about release.

Which is why I'm so insistent on specifying the beta.

well, personally, I think a thing like XP tables don't change often, I'm sure it could be calculated with some algorithm from the XP table we already have for lvl1-60, they usually follow a pattern.

@Chippies Like I said, it depends on the question.

I'd be willing to bet that xp table from RoS beta will be the same in release version

11:15 PM

@Chippies But we don't know.

And can't verify.

That's why I am so adamantly against questions asking about release.

what if the answer was something like "Well, in the BETA the table was..."

@Chippies Nope. It's all about the question.

and then after release check if it's true, if not - delete it or update it, if yes then good.

mkay

Answerability is a poor metric of a question.

Always has been.

Here the asker knew that his question was likely to be bad so Grace's objection from yesterday doesn't really apply

Not that I was really persuaded by it. Optimise for pearls, not sand says that if we have to be jerks to askers for the good of the site, well, so be it

11:19 PM

Regardless of the length of time between the beta and release, I don't think saying beta~=release is entirely unfair, as far as basic information goes.

What I find ironic is that if I had been selected as a mod, I wouldn't even be part of this conversation. I'd've just left it alone.

As is, that second question didn't even take my impetus to get closed.

I specifically retracted my close vote on it.

@Frank "Elect @Frank. He'll argue less." Hmm, lacks a little something, but we can put it on posters.

Either way, I've said my piece. I've delayed my shower long enough.

BTW

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:o

11:22 PM

Let's discuss stuff that matters, like my high score.

GOLL DARN

I always get screwed by the army of 2s :(

does anyone know if there are actual preorder retail copies for RoS? The store I got mine preordered calls it "reserving", not preordering, so I'm not sure if it's still considered as a preorder or not? Like, is there an actual difference between preorder and retail copies?

Perhaps someone more familiar with preordering retail games knows how this works

@Frank I genuinely doubt that.

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What I'm drinking

garrisonbrewing.com/show/the-beer/3

11:27 PM

I would make a great leader of anarchy!

just let everyone do what they want.

11:43 PM

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The Reichenbach Fall

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