The Bridge

6:00 PM

@OrigamiRobot I was talking to @FAE about maybe getting a joystick for KSP, and she asked around. I joined because she didn't want to relay questions anymore ;)

OrigamiRobot

@Jochem I don't care about those parts, I want to know about making things :P

FAE

11 mins ago, by Jochem

@MBraedley @SaintWacko thanks for the advice, I'll probably start out with just one joystick for now :) Maybe if I go crazy, I'll build a translational device myself or something. Can't be that hard I suppose

Yuki

Momentous occasion: The Bridge has replaced TV Tropes on my Most Visited Pages on my Chrome browser.

Jochem

@OrigamiRobot oh, derp, I misread. Uh, when I eventually get around to cleaning out my workroom, I might futz with making a six axis joystick

OrigamiRobot

@FAE Yes, but as that is not a reply, it's harder to trace back.

ElfSlice

6:03 PM

SpaceOrb 360

The SpaceOrb 360 is a 6DOF computer input device that is designed to be operated with two hands. Each of the 6axis have 10bit precision each when measuring the amount of force or torque applied. It has two right-index-finger buttons and four right-thumb buttons. It interfaces with a computer through an RS-232 serial port using a custom binary protocol. Drivers for the device exist for Mac OS, MS Windows and Linux. Logitech had similar 6dof devices during the same time period called the Cyberman and Cyberman II. The device was released in 1996, the same year as popular 3D games such as Des...

This is relevant, right?

kalina

@Yuki tvtropes.org/pmwiki/randomitem.php?p=1

5

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Hence why I pointed it out!

Unionhawk

@kalina clicks WAIT NO closes

MBraedley

@ElfSlice the problem with that is that you start translating when you want to rotate or vice versa

OrigamiRobot

@Jochem The simplest and probably grossest thing I can think of is having it slide up and down on a geared shaft so it can engage a pot.

Jochem

6:05 PM

@OrigamiRobot Effectively, it shouldn't even be necessary to have analog control over translation, not in KSP at least

FEichinger

@OrigamiRobot This reads so incredibly dirty ...

Jochem

RCS is ON or OFF

kalina

@OrigamiRobot wh- er...

FEichinger

@kalina HAH. HAAAAH!

YOU TOO!

FAE

@FEichinger I was just thinking the same.

Unionhawk

6:05 PM

Goddammit you ~~two~~ three >.>

kalina

three*

there are three of us

FAE

This one too:

kalina

perfectly in sync

FAE

33 mins ago, by MBraedley

You actually push and pull the stick in and out along the axis of the rod.

kalina

@OrigamiRobot did it on purpose

@FAE o.o

FEichinger

6:06 PM

@FAE Well, that kinda makes sense in context. But the paperbot one was ... way out there.

MBraedley

@Jochem you effectively use PWM for RCS in reality

OrigamiRobot

@FAE Right, this is what I meant.

kalina

of course it is

uhuh

FAE

@FEichinger Pfffft, context, like we ever take that into account.

OrigamiRobot

@FAE I'm saying that's where my trail went cold.

FEichinger

6:07 PM

@FAE ... Well, if it makes sense in context I don't necessarily think ... "outside the box", if you will.

FAE

@FEichinger ...>____>

FEichinger

:P

kalina

@FEichinger who said anything about it being outside the box? What are you defining "the box" as?

Jochem

@MBraedley hm, that could work in KSP as well... Maybe I'll have to rip the deflection detecting ribbon out of my old HP printer and play around with that then...

FEichinger

@kalina That, I will leave to you to determine.

kalina

6:08 PM

nope, I'm just going to go and shower

OrigamiRobot

@kalina No

FAE

@Jochem ...we have a HP printer in this house?

SaintWacko

@Jochem Going to get the Extreme 3D Pro?

kalina

@FAE is about to set a fire

FEichinger

@FAE I think everyone just did a mental "o.ô" towards @Jochem.

SaintWacko

6:09 PM

@Jochem Make the translational joystick have a loop on top where you stick your thumb. Pull up on the loop to go up, press down on it to go down

Jochem

@SaintWacko Probably :) I'll see how satisfied I am with the hat-switch as a translator

@FAE a broken down one, yes

FAE

@Jochem ...whyyyyyyyyyyy

2

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeere

Jochem

@FAE parts

FAE

Uuuuuuuuuuuugh

SaintWacko

@Jochem I haven't used it for that, but I've been very happy with the joystick for years

Jochem

6:10 PM

@FAE storage room

OrigamiRobot

@FAE What? I see no issue here.

kalina

@OrigamiRobot piles of junk is an issue

FAE

@OrigamiRobot We do not have a lot of room in our apartment.

FEichinger

@kalina Shower. Go. Cleanse yourself. Hush!

OrigamiRobot

@FAE It obviously not in the way if you didn't even know it was there.

kalina

6:11 PM

@OrigamiRobot stop with your male logic, you're missing the point

FAE

@OrigamiRobot That's exactly what he would say!

OrigamiRobot

@FEichinger She is chatting from the shower.

kalina

yeah my phone is water proof

FEichinger

@OrigamiRobot Clearly.

kalina

no, I'm not in the shower

FAE

6:12 PM

Our storage room is a mess, I can barely discern one item from another, so it's no wonder I didn't see it. :P

kalina

SHUTTUP BEFORE I BURN BOTH OF YOUR LIVES DOWN

FEichinger

@kalina ♥

OrigamiRobot

It's OK, @Jochem, I understand.

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Then you come over and clean my house. >:(

OrigamiRobot

@FAE OK, brt.

Jochem

6:13 PM

@OrigamiRobot I'm glad someone does :(

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Bring @Fluttershy with you.

OrigamiRobot

@FAE You realize this would likely result in more mess, right?

FAE

@OrigamiRobot You could help us sort the Magic cards.

OrigamiRobot

@FAE I could bring my Dremel.

FAE

@Jochem Yes, you have it so, so difficult with your girlfriend who wanted to help you research and is encouraging you to go out and buy video game peripherals. >_>

@OrigamiRobot <3

Jochem

6:15 PM

@FAE <_< See, you understand me too :D

Tim Stone

(Nice save)

Yuki

@FAE Cue several gaming nerds out for @Jochem's blood.

OrigamiRobot

@FAE But it's more fun to build them.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Aaaaaaaaaah, the Atomic Wedgie. Deadliest of all Wedgies.

FAE

@Jochem AT LEAST @ORIGAMIROBOT WILL BRING ME A DREMEL

OrigamiRobot

6:17 PM

@FAE No, the Dremel is for @Jochem and I.

FAE

@LessPop_MoreFizz ...Wow

@OrigamiRobot What good are you :(

Jochem

@FAE I've told you, we can get a dremel whenever either of us has a project that will need one ;P Building a joystick out of an old printer would probably require a dremel ...

FAE

@Jochem YAY

kalina

I don't know what an Atomic Wedgie is, and don't want to

ElfSlice

@LessPop_MoreFizz ....................................

Lazers

6:18 PM

-1

Q: What is the difference between Battlefield and Bad Company series?

I entered the Battlefield universe with BF3 but since then I read and heard so many people willing that BF3 and BF4 were similar to the Bad Company series or that DICE should "go back to Bad Company". I mean BF3 and BF4 are pretty good games and I don't get why people go crazy about Bad Company. ...

Frank

@Lazers Ok, THIS is too broad. By far.

OrigamiRobot

@kalina It where you pull the underwear over their head.

kalina

is that even possible?

SaintWacko

> What is the difference between console games and PC games?

MBraedley

@kalina some people claim it is

kalina

6:19 PM

@SaintWacko what is the difference between angel cake and charcoal

SaintWacko

@FAE @Jochem Dremels are wonderful

OrigamiRobot

@kalina GIS

LessPop_MoreFizz

@kalina elastic is very stretchy and children are very small.

SaintWacko

@kalina One is delicious, the other burns

They are both great

Jochem

@SaintWacko We've both been ogling them randomly for a while, but I'm more of a "buy it when you need it" type when it comes to tools

SaintWacko

6:20 PM

@Jochem Yeah, I'm trying to be

kalina

@SaintWacko one is what happens when you cover an angel in cake and the other is what your remains look like when you piss off an angel

FAE

@SaintWacko He kind of has to physically drag me away from the power tool section in stores.

Tim Stone

@Jochem If I was a "buy when I need it" kind of person, I'd....TEACH ME THIS SKILL ;_;

SaintWacko

But I really wish I had bought the Dremel with 50 accessories when it was on sale for $100 after Thanksgiving

Kevin van der Velden

@Jochem build and design a custom controller! Print it with a 3d printer :D

OrigamiRobot

6:21 PM

kalina

@FAE IS ADDICTED TO "POWER TOOLS": DATA ACCEPTED

FAE

@TimStone He forgets to mention that when he needs it, he needs it now. As in, he has finished his research and whatever online, and we are leaving for the store, it doesn't matter that it closes in half an hour, we're going now.

MBraedley

@FAE why don't girls like you exist here?

FAE

@kalina I aaaaaaaaaaam.

Unionhawk

@kalina DENIED

kalina

6:22 PM

@Unionhawk seriously?

this is a disgrace

FAE

@MBraedley They're so awesome! They're mechanical and they do fun stuff! You can make neat things!

Jochem

@KevinvanderVelden That's the eventual dream I guess ;D Shapeways might work until I have room for one though. Apparently they have a factory in Eindhoven :o

Unionhawk

@kalina Apparently.

SaintWacko

amazon.com/Dremel-4000-6-50-120-Volt-Variable-Speed/dp/…

Tim Stone

@FAE I am the same way, just insert laziness in between that minimizes that whole "research" and "planning" and "purpose" part.

OrigamiRobot

6:22 PM

@SaintWacko I opted for the battery powered one.

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot Ah, okay

FAE

@TimStone haha

Damn it, I have Dremel lust again. :(

@Jochem is mean and won't let me buy stuff like huge spools of copper wire or 25m of extension cord. :(

Frank

@FAE I just bought an airbrush a little while ago!

SaintWacko

@FAE A common state for me

OrigamiRobot

@FAE Is this true @Jochem?

FAE

6:25 PM

@Frank Ooooooh :D

Kevin van der Velden

@Jochem nice, I have a "factory" in my room if you need some parts =p

Tim Stone

@FAE What uh...What do you need huge spools of copper wire for?

FAE

@TimStone Don't you start! >:(

Jochem

@TimStone EXACTLY!

OrigamiRobot

@TimStone What don't you need it for?

Frank

6:25 PM

Along with the air compressor of cat scariness+1!

FAE

@Jochem No!

@Frank Haha, poor Bela.

Jochem

@OrigamiRobot Yes, because our appartment is full of outlets, and less than 25 meters from front to back

OrigamiRobot

@Jochem And?

FAE

@TimStone It's conductive, which is always handy. Also for like... I dunno, wire sculpture. Or playing with.

Wipqozn

@TimStone Copper wire fence...? Maybe?

OrigamiRobot

6:26 PM

Copper wire is so pretty.

FAE

@OrigamiRobot @Jochem SEE, HE UNDERSTANDS ME.

Yuki

@OrigamiRobot You don't need huge spools of copper wire if you're playing a game of "don't have any huge spools of copper wire".

OrigamiRobot

I feel so at one with both @FAE and @Jochem right now.

Frank

@FAE Well, sometimes I don't want her around me. During airbrushing is definitely one of those times.

FAE

@Yuki This is a crappy game.

Yuki

6:27 PM

@FAE Didn't say it was a good game...

FAE

@Frank Understandable. Cat hair on wet paint... not good.

kalina

@FAE spray paint the cat

OrigamiRobot

@FAE Or vice versa.

FAE

@kalina D:

Frank

I can understand how @Jochem is all, "Gotta go get it now!"

I'm the same way.

Yuki

6:28 PM

Need to paint fast and airbrush too slow.

Jochem

@Frank I'm absolutely terrible like that. I take forever to make a decision, usually, then just need to have it NOW

kalina

explosives + can of paint = fast painting

FAE

@Frank I'm the same way too, so I understand as well, it's just kind of funny because it happens less often with him than with me. I game a lot more than he does, so I'm more prone to scratching that itch with immediate gratification. His purchases tend to be larger, like a tablet, or new PC parts that we need to get rightnowlet'sgo.

And yes, he takes foreeeeeeeeeeever to decide.

OrigamiRobot

@Jochem Or else it will take forever to build up the desire to actually get it again.

Jochem

@OrigamiRobot exactly!

Frank

6:30 PM

@FAE My video card let go on me last year. As soon as I figured out what was the problem, I was out the door and off to get a new one.

kalina

I had a look at PC parts today and the performance difference between my i7 2600k and the current equivalent chips is significantly larger than I thought it was

so I am now in I NEED A NEW PC YESTERDAY mode

FAE

@Frank I would do the same in that case. I need to have a functioning PC.

Frank

@FAE Silly part is, I should've RMA'd an old video card years ago. Never got around to it. If I had, I would've had a spare.

FAE

@kalina Yeah, my current CPU was purchased 4 years ago, so I'm due for an upgrade as well, I just don't feel like doing the research work right now. >_<

@Frank Oh damn.

kalina

I am debating currently if I go bleeding edge or two models down like I did last time

OrigamiRobot

6:32 PM

I need to work on one of my projects again :/

kalina

I really want a Geforce 780 as well

Jochem

@kalina I've been avoiding looking at benchmarks, I've got an i5 2500K <_<

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Sometimes I have to convince him that he actually wants to get stuff I know he wants to get.

Frank

@FAE I still can, since it has eVGA's lovely, lovely lifetime warranty. But, again, I still have to get off my ass and do it.

kalina

but I also really wanted to wait to see if AMD Mantel actually works out

3ventic

6:32 PM

GTX 780 is great

FAE

@Frank Yeah, it's always that last part that's the hurdle.

kalina

@Jochem Well I just heard that ivy bridge was an incremental upgrade and haswell was an incremental upgrade so I figured no more than 25% improvement

and today I looked and it's like double the performance on benchmarks

my graphics card vs a 780 is like 5x the performance on benchmarks

and I can reuse my RAM and disks

@kalina ouch X_X

Wow, that's big.

@Yuki OLD

6:34 PM

WOAH

Jochem

@kalina isn't it the same socket still as well?

kalina

@Jochem nope

Jochem

@kalina ah :(

kalina

different socket for both the high end ivy bridges and the haswells

high end ivy bridges share a socket with current xeons

and haswells have their own socket

I could get a midrange ivy bridge and use my current board, but a mid range ivy bridge is a tiny upgrade in comparison

more $$$ than the bump in performance is worth

Lazers

0

Q: Shadow mere problems

I had shadow mere at castle v and I went into the soul cairn. I used arvok in the cairn and now shadow mere is gone. It's been at least a month since I first used arvok, he does not apper after fast traveling, and ik he is not dead. Where is he?

skyrim

FAE

6:38 PM

I have an AMD Phenom II X4 965, which was pretty decent performance for the price 4 years ago but... yeah, 4 years ago.

kalina

ow

yeah suddenly I don't feel the need to upgrade

it can wait

;)

FAE

haha

MBraedley

On god, I'm stuck in TVTropes land!

kalina

the PC I use for ~~warming my feet~~ running Linux has a x4 945 in it

FAE

@MBraedley Close the tabs, man, close the tabs!

Frank

6:39 PM

I'm still running my X6 1090T. Love that thing.

Kevin van der Velden

@MBraedley RUN AWAY FOR YOUR LIFE!

FAE

I kind of want a new video card so I can give my old one to @Jochem and upgrade, but then I have to go through researching that and I'm also worried a new one won't fit in my tower...

3ventic

I had to take the plastics off my card to fit it in my case

Wipqozn

@Yuki I hate it when people have fun the wrong way.

Jochem

@FAE Honestly, I wouldn't mind an upgrade from the 4890 I got from you last time ;P

Wipqozn

6:44 PM

It's like "Stop! You're not having fun correctly!"

kalina

@FAE TBH, I'd wait to see what happens with AMD Mantel

Yuki

@Wipqozn Well, go ahead and be frustrated. I'll be too busy having fun.

Wipqozn

@Yuki I WILL

I'LL SHOW YOU

I'LL SHOW YOU ALL

FAE

@3ventic I went from an AMD Radeon 4890 to a Radeon HD 6970 and was like o_o when I opened that box up.

kalina

if it's a technology that gets adopted, considering that AMD powers both of the high spec new consoles, it will probably be worth going for AMD

FAE

6:45 PM

@kalina What's the ETA on more information?

kalina

first couple of rounds of console games released on the xbone and ps4, first round of ports to pc, I would expect

Wipqozn

3ventic

@FAE I went from HD 6870 to GTX 780 and the new card fits exactly in without the plastics. There's no empty space at all on either end of it

FAE

@kalina It's not like... a huge need right now, more like that itch to just want to upgrade, you know?

kalina

there is a performance gap between the top nvidia card and the top amd card atm (nvidia is faster) but if amd's technology gets adopted by the mainstream (it's already being baked into the Frostbite engine) then it will be worth going AMD

FAE

6:47 PM

@3ventic I had to move a HDD for mine to fit.

kalina

all of the games are going to get optimised for AMD as it is, since both consoles have AMD chips

MBraedley

@Wipqozn oh wow, that is wrong

kalina

but if their new technology doesn't get adopted, nvidia will still be faster

FAE

@kalina Oooh Frostbite. They're using that for the new Mass Effect, aren't they?

fredley

@ori

kalina

6:48 PM

Frostbite is being used by everything released by EA excluding EA sports games, afaik

so BF4/ME4/DA3/etc

3ventic

yup

FAE

Ah yeah, forgot Inquisition will be in there as well

kalina

EA decided to use their own technologies rather than keep licensing Unreal Engine

FAE

And I'm definitely interested in both of those on PC.

(I prefer not to play anything where you have to do inventory management on console, I just get annoyed and frustrated)

Wipqozn

@MBraedley Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

kalina

6:49 PM

I could probably hold out until ME4 has a release date and then upgrade tbh

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot oh snap, great news about 1.4 in EU4!

kalina

my PC still plays everything

Wipqozn

forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/…

> Comet Sighted is a bit more rare now.

FAE

Dragon Age: Inquisition comes out this year though, and I do want to play that... hm.

ME4 is... somewhere in the future. handwave

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah @OrigamiRobot should definitely watch that one

Jochem

6:50 PM

I should go make some dinner... Nice talking to you all, thanks for the advice! ttyl!

kalina

well depending of it its Q1 or Q3, should make a difference

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