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user20683
12:00 AM
speaking of, when can I change that ? to a ! on the house warming tag?
 
@WorldEngineer you can change it. They moved our closing today but but we're all set for the 16th. It's happening for sure :)
 
user20683
room topic changed to The Bridge: General gaming chat room, wherein we compare and contrast the relative merits of LASERs and LAZERS and their patented applications in diamond making and cat exercising. [3yo] [canadian-adventures] [jin-fanclub] [lazers] [reconsider-things] [spugsley-house-warming!]
 
user20683
@spugsley You has a house O_O
 
Ha, Papers Please is being released on Singapore's National Day
Fantastic
 
@WorldEngineer YAH!
 
12:06 AM
So I picked up Skullgirls for me and a friend.
 
HTML4 DTD with the blink tag defined, making it valid w3.org/Style/HTML40-plus-blink.dtd
 
@Wipqozn I'll try not to link any images of them, then!
@spugsley PRO TIP: Don't do the thing where you store stuff in the garage "just until we get around to unpacking it" because if you do that, you'll never have a usable garage.
Ever.
Man, even by today's standards, System Shock 2 > Bioshock Anything
 
There are MLP x Bioshock crossovers, but no SS2 ones yet, so there's another plus
Although now that I've put that down in writing I'm sure some law of the internet will result it being made
 
@Sterno Yeah... I tried playing through Bioshock again after System Shock 2 but i couldn't. It's just so inferior.
I stopped playing because I just kept thinking "I could be playing SS2 instead"
 
12:21 AM
Does the game have replay value though?
 
user20683
@PrivatePansy A fair amount yeah
 
user20683
you can take different skill approaches and so on
 
user20683
do some things in a different order
 
@Sterno ....who does that?
also we don't have a garage
 
@spugsley Everybody ever.
 
user15026
12:30 AM
@PrivatePansy There is something ridiculous about that
 
user15026
@spugsley YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
 
A couple of my friends got "Administrative Assistant" as their vocation. I think I'm going to send them a copy
 
@Ullallulloo MURICCCAAAAAAAAA
 
user20683
@Ullallulloo That's embarrassingly patriotic.
 
12:32 AM
god I hate patriotism
 
user15026
@PrivatePansy I think this is the best way to celebrate that :P
 
user20683
@spugsley I hate false patriotism
 
user15026
@Ullallulloo Oh dear and fluffly lambs what teh hell is that
 
Speaking of eagles, this game has a lot of potential.
 
@Krazer is that a Murica game those people are like terrorists or something because eagles and flags and murica?
 
user15026
@Ullallulloo I just....I don't even....why is this a thing
 
@AshleyNunn Why would you not want cool bird knights?
 
user15026
@Ullallulloo because they're weird
 
Especially if they are America.
 
user15026
12:37 AM
 
@spugsley completely unrelated (I think), more art: imgur.com/a/oPMr7
 
user15026
I dont know why I laughed so much
 
user20683
@AshleyNunn bahahahaha
 
@AshleyNunn Because you get it now
 
user15026
@OrigamiRobot Truth
 
12:39 AM
Google's National Day Doodle, hmmmm
 
@PrivatePansy Buildings?
 
It's nice to have something a little more subdued, not bursting with flags and other patriotic crap
@Ullallulloo Shophouses, found in the city center that were from the colonial era
 
@PrivatePansy huh, neat.
 
They're not quite "uniquely Singaporean", but they do represent a nice bit of history and culture here
 
Although I like the blatantly patriotic stuff myself. :P
 
12:42 AM
Also, @Fluttershy Night vale guys are going to be at A Thing in St. Louis sometime soon apparently.
 
user15026
@LessPop_MoreFizz O.o
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz :o Woo! I'll have to check it out.
 
Boo. Little sister just left for home.
 
Is there such a thing as free bluray software? O_o
Like, free and legal?
 
user15026
@fbueckert awww
 
user15026
12:56 AM
did you have a good time?
 
@Fluttershy Doesn't your OS handle them?
 
@AshleyNunn Yeah, she stayed with me for a few days.
Dragged her out to the studio twice, and she had fun.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Well, my laptop came with CorelDVD, which can play bluray. But I got a DVD drive for my PC, currently waiting on the bluray player. I don't think it comes with any software though.
 
user15026
@fbueckert super cool ;D
 
@AshleyNunn Indeed. She's so much fun.
 
12:57 AM
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Motocross

Proposed Q&A site for motocross racers, riders, mechanics, and the rest of the motocross community.

Currently in definition.

 
user15026
@fbueckert From what you have said, I super believe it
 
that's not too niche to be useful
oh god the tumblr asexuals are mad at joe fink and want to lynch him now.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz uh oh what did he do?
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Like... Night Vale Joe Fink?
 
user15026
@LessPop_MoreFizz oh no
 
12:59 AM
@Fluttershy Yeah
I am Asexual. I'm working my way up to A+sexual. That is the highest grade sexual there is.
 
user15026
@LessPop_MoreFizz oh dear
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz uh oh
 
Oh my.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz whoa whoa whoa
I have friends who are asexual. And you have no right to say anything about their situation. It is MORE than having a low sex drive. Don't pretend to understand things you obviously don't know anything about
 
10 hours ago, by fbueckert
http://kotaku.com/your-only-enemy-in-teacher-story-is-stupidity-1058826099
 
1:02 AM
@spugsley there is no oppression there. I am sorry, but I do feel that it marginalizes actual oppressed groups.
 
I thought only ameobas could be asexual
 
...
 
user20683
@GnomeSlice Watch it
 
user20683
@LessPop_MoreFizz both of you
 
user15026
I cant even
 
1:02 AM
..Watch what?
 
user15026
people no
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz and comments like the one you just reminds me WHY they are an oppressed minority
 
I thought it meant genderless
Maybe I'm wrong
 
@GnomeSlice yeah, that's something different
 
user20683
@GnomeSlice no, it's not the same
 
1:03 AM
Asexuality (or nonsexuality) is the lack of sexual attraction to anyone or low or absent interest in sexual activity. It may be considered the lack of a sexual orientation, or one of the four types thereof, alongside heterosexuality, homosexuality, and bisexuality. A study in 2004 placed the prevalence of asexuality at 1%. Asexuality is distinct from abstention from sexual activity and from celibacy, which are behavioral and generally motivated by factors such as an individual's personal or religious beliefs; sexual orientation, unlike sexual behavior, is believed to be "enduring". So...
 
What's that called then?
 
user20683
but let's move on
 
@RedRiderX huh
What am I thinking of...
 
user15026
agender
 
It's gonna bug me now
@AshleyNunn That is definitely not it.
 
1:03 AM
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Q: Can the Mii Plaza mini games have their worldwide names as synonyms?

RobotnikThe Streetpass Mii Plaza minigames currently use their US names, but worldwide they are known by other titles (see the Mii Plaza Wiki). Can we synonimise these two groups for ease of searching? Either like the following, or reversed: (Worldwide -> US) streetpass-quest -> find-mii streetpass-ga...

 
wow. I'm fuming. Alright, taking a Bridge break. Be back later guys
 
Asexual reproduction is a mode of reproduction by which offspring arise from a single parent, and inherit the genes of that parent only; it is reproduction which almost always does not involve meiosis, ploidy reduction, or fertilization. The offspring will be exact genetic copies of the parent, except in the specific case of automixis. A more stringent definition is agamogenesis which is reproduction without the fusion of gametes. Asexual reproduction is the primary form of reproduction for single-celled organisms such as the archaea, bacteria, and protists. Many plants and fungi reprodu...
 
@RedRiderX Huh, yeah it's the same thing with different meanings I guess.
Interesting.
 
@GnomeSlice It isn't. Asexuality and asexual reproduction are different.
 
Asexual or Asexuals may refer to: *Asexual reproduction **Asexual reproduction in starfish *Asexuality, a condition marked by the lack of physical or emotional interest in sexual activity *Asexuals (band), a Canadian punk rock band, *Asexual Colony, first novel in the "Everlasting Antiquity" series See also *
 
1:04 AM
Okay.
@RedRiderX Oh, I gotcha.
1 min ago, by GnomeSlice
Interesting.
 
So. That just happened.
 
user20683
...
 
What happened?
Is saying 'asexual' offensive or something, because if it is I'm sorry and I don't understand why
 
We could just drop it. That may be a better idea.
 
@GnomeSlice I'm going to be honest with you, I don't know why what @LessPop_MoreFizz said was flagworthy either.
3
 
1:06 AM
I didn't see it.
 
user15026
@Fluttershy This!
 
@Fluttershy Drop what? It's not like I'm insulting anybody. We can't use the word now?
 
user20683
Let it go or I nuke the room
 
You guys are crazy.
 
That seems like an overreaction.
 
user20683
1:07 AM
@GnomeSlice fine, don't hang out with us then
 
user20683
if we're so crazy
 
@WorldEngineer No I love you guys
 
@WorldEngineer You could time it out for a bit. That seems more reasonable.
 
You guys are my best friends.
 
But now, I'm gonna go play video games, because they're fun!
 
1:08 AM
@fbueckert I think that's what he meant.
 
@fbueckert So, how 'bout them video games?
 
Guys! I started watching The Legend of Korra!
 
user15026
@fbueckert whatcha gonna play?
 
user15026
@Fluttershy I am working on Avatar with @OrigamiRobot
 
Time to find out what Skullgirl I'm... "good" with, I guess.
 
1:10 AM
@Yawus Valentine
 
@Yawus Miss Fortune, Squigly, and Painwheel for me!
 
@Fluttershy Those are the three least appealing to me, except replace Fortune with Peacock
Painwheel seems kind of OP too
 
@GnomeSlice Yeah... screw Peacock. She's cheap.
 
Anyway to configure controls without having to configure 2P?
 
@Yawus Trust me, use the defaults
@StrixVaria Fucked up his game terribly trying to configure the controls.
 
1:17 AM
The problem is that I don't know the defaults.
 
Tutorials.
Just hit stuff until you figure it out. Remapping them will break your game
I think it's kind of messed in the current beta
 
@Yawus Using an Xbox controller?
 
@Fluttershy Yeah, but I still don't know which button's LP, HK, and so on.
 
Yeah there's surprisingly no way to tell in-game
Somebody should really put it on Arqade
 
@Yawus Defaults: X is LP, Y is MP, B is MK, A is LK. I think you have to tap up for HP and HK, but they'd be Y and B respectively.
 
1:22 AM
Found out that HP and HK are the right bumper and trigger respectively.
 
@GnomeSlice (cc: @BenBrocka)
@Yawus Oh? Well that's good to know. o_o
 
@GnomeSlice starting up Megabyte Punch
 
@SaintWacko YES
Have you played it before?
 
1:40 AM
So I'm okay with Parasoul. AND I DON'T HAVE TO SPAM NAPALM SHOT, glares at computer
Mirror matched against another Parasoul in Arcade Mode. I suck at countering Napalm Shot spamming.
 
I'm up to $8 on Steam for selling stupid cards. Yay!
 
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Q: What defines whether or not a wolf becomes hostile?

Young GuiloIn Minecraft what actions does the player need to avoid in order to keep the wolves peaceful so they don't murderously devour the player?

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Q: Are books good for anything?

GnomeSliceEvery now and then I find a book. I can pick the book up. I can carry the book around. I can even read the book! This book is called About Dwarves This appears to be lore from the game world. There was also a humourous book on the first floor that listed the top five causes of death for D...

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Q: What sheep do you need to mate in order to try and get the rare pink sheep?

Young GuiloWhat types of sheep must you mate in order to have a chance in getting the pink sheep? What is the percent of getting it?

0
Q: Are the chances of donkeys spawning the same as horses?

Young GuiloI want a donkey to help me transport my mined goods. However they are extremly hard to find. Are they somehow rarer than horses?

 
user43095
@world ill probably expand on that, maybe take coding lessons in high school/college and either become a software engineer or an engineer.
 
user43095
@lazers YoungGuilo Overflow
 
@Lazers This should be "Why should I read books?"
cc @GnomeSlice
 
1:50 AM
@Lazers cc @AshleyNunn
 
@OrigamiRobot I thought of that, but it's not about reading them.
That would break the google fu
It's asking if there's anything else you can do with them
Any other suggestions?
 
@GnomeSlice "Books are worthless. Why keep them?"
 
user15026
@Ullallulloo Oh god my inner librarian had a visceral reaction to that
 
user15026
@Fluttershy AUGH
 
@AshleyNunn lol
I apologize @AshleyNunn
This question is traumatic for you
=P
And your librarianliness
 
user15026
1:51 AM
@GnomeSlice I just love booooooks
 
I love boosk too
aw
What about 'are books useful'
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice sorry I have quick fingers
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice I am not really bothered
 
That was actually more meant for @OrigamiRobot
@AshleyNunn That doesn't sound like something to apologize about to me =P
 
Whoo, finally got past the "Defend vs. Mix-ups" lesson.
 
user15026
1:54 AM
@GnomeSlice True, it can be pretty fun....
 
Relaxing game of the day.
You guys should help greenlight that shit
It's a little reminiscent of those late 90's puzzle games like Honeycomb hotel and shit.
I really like it.
 
user15026
I learned and important physics lesson today
 
user15026
If you are spinning in circles and have a giant heavy messenger bag strapped to you, it will also spin and have its own spinning force so when you stop it will keep going and you might fall over
2
 
@AshleyNunn Or brain someone with your messenger bag.
I've been on the "Ow!" end of that before.
 
user15026
@Yawus It was hip height, and I had most of the square to myself, because everyone was like WTF that weird fat pink haired spinning thing stay away
 
2:02 AM
I think tonight is a "I'm going to finally beat KH3D tonight" kind of night
 
user15026
@Ktash I have not played KH in SO long
 
user15026
I am terrible
 
@AshleyNunn Mine did too
 
@AshleyNunn You are not. But that does knock you down a peg or two...
 
You should have see me at my girlfriend's house the other day, desperately trying to get her kids to be nice to books
 
user15026
2:05 AM
@Ktash Oh noes :(
 
user15026
@SaintWacko do I even wanna know?
 
@AshleyNunn They're 1.5 and 4 years old
They don't quite respect books yet
 
@AshleyNunn don't worry, there are many ways to fix it. Playing more KH being chief among them
 
user15026
@SaintWacko Ah, okay :)
 
user15026
@Ktash Captain Hook is kicking my ass
 
2:08 AM
Can somebody tell me if there's a demo listed on this page
I bought the game so I'm not sure if it's not showing up because I own it or because there isn't one
 
user15026
@GnomeSlice No, I dont see one
 
Huh, I wonder where it is then.
Thanks
Ah I found it graveck.com/strata
@AshleyNunn You might really like this game by the way
Check out that browser demo when you get a chance
 
@AshleyNunn Kick it back! ;)
 
user15026
@Ktash I'd have to ask if he was okay with that first....
 
user15026
(sorry I am out of filters)
 
@AshleyNunn Well, if he is doing it to you, I'd imagine he's looking forward to it
 
user15026
@Ktash Oh my
 
user15026
fans herself
 
@AshleyNunn (good)
 
user15026
@Ktash (terrible man)
 
2:18 AM
@AshleyNunn I know, it's great, right?
 
user15026
@Ktash It is certainly something
 
you know you like it ;P
 
user15026
@Ktash Perhaps I do :)
 
user15026
I am full of ridiculous
 
user20683
and win
 
user15026
2:23 AM
@WorldEngineer Mostly ridiculous.
 
ridiculous win
 
user20683
HUGE win
 
user20683
Massive win
 
user20683
enormous win?
 
user20683
colossal win?
 
user20683
2:27 AM
bewildering win?
 
user15026
Mostly confusing
 
user15026
kinda weird
 
user15026
ALSO I REMEMBERED I HAVE COOKIES
 
user15026
tonight just got awesomer
 
user20683
wibbly wobbly win?
 
user20683
2:29 AM
awesomest night?
 
user20683
because I don't see how you could have any other kind
 
 
user20683
not with cookies in involved
 
user15026
@Ktash oh god
 
user15026
@WorldEngineer Theyre chocolate chip my favourite
 
2:31 AM
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Q: Do zombie and skeletal horses attack players?

Young GuiloDo the zombie and skeletal versions of the horse mob attack players automatically, when attacked, or at all? It doesn't mention anything in the wiki.

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Q: How do I upgrade my booth?

David McDavidsonThe game says there's a booth upgrade available, and to press space to toggle inspection mode. I don't know where I should do that, though. Tried during the game and pressing space there apparently does nothing.

 
@Ktash Stop poking the plotholes
 
user15026
@Powerlord I'd only worry if they start poking him back
 
@AshleyNunn I can't figure out a funny way to mention 999, so I'll just bug you about it manually.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz ALL HAIL THE GLOW CLOUD.
4
 
user15026
@Powerlord I give you points for attempted effort
 
user15026
2:38 AM
@Brant You're listening to it now? :D
 
I'm on the third episode now.
After the first one I thought it was the stupidest thing ever.
After the second one I thought there might be something to it.
Now I'm genuinely looking forward to hearing the local news and community events.
 
user15026
@Brant What do you think about the weather?
 
Neat idea. The second one was pretty good.
 
user15026
@Brant I find they are hit and miss for me, but that's to be expected.
 
@AshleyNunn @spugsley fqwimages.com/time-dimension
 
user15026
2:43 AM
@Krazer These are beautiful
 
:D
 
Morning
 
user15026
@spyder evening
 
@AshleyNunn You are lovely and beautiful.
That is all I've got to say
 
user15026
@Ktash unexpected compliment is unexpected
 
user15026
2:56 AM
but thank you
 
Drive-by compliments are my favorite
 
user43095
Unrelated, but why didn't I get the android app even though I signed up for the alpha?
 
user43095
:(
 
user15026
@jeffreylin_ ??
 
user20683
@jeffreylin_ ask on M.SO
 
user43095
2:57 AM
The StackExchange app, supposedly in alpha
 
user20683
or email the comm team
 
user43095
Oh never mind, I need Jellybean. Samsung Galaxy S 4G is never getting higher than Gingerbread. :( I feel like I'm missing out on everything.
 
user15026
@jeffreylin_ Also, they mentioned the invites for it will be sent in waves
 
user43095
I need to figure out how to use CytogenMod
 
@fbueckert Um yeah. I wouldn't be asking random questions just for the fun of it. — Young Guilo 55 mins ago
 
user43095
3:07 AM
@fbueckert BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
 
user15026
@fbueckert I think it was a fair question to ask, really
 
STOP BOTHERING @ASHLEYNUNN SHE HAS IMPORTANT MOON DUTIES TO ATTEND TO
 
user15026
@OrigamiRobot MOON DUTIES I HAVE MOON DUTIES
5
 
user43095
Wat?
 
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Q: What unlocks "Hire Old Allies" in Find Mii?

KatieKI can now "Hire Old Allies" for Play Coins in the original version of Find Mii. I thought this was new functionality that appeared with the most recent update, but other people have the update and can't hire old allies in Find Mii. Both my 3DS (Ver 6.2.0-12U) and StreetPass Mii Plaza is update...

 
3:14 AM
System Shock 2 for OS X is out!
 
@fbueckert lol, I doubt that...
 
No Steam cloud though, boo.
 
user43095
@Unionhawk He also seems to be making lots of chat rooms that nobody cares about.
 
@Brant Has been for a while
 
@Unionhawk I like that he only posted that after I downvoted it. I gave him several hours to respond, and got nothing. Then downvote, and THEN a response.
@AshleyNunn It's a fair question, yes. It needs to show effort of what he's tried, though.
 
3:25 AM
Yeah, I think Parasoul's my character.
At least until I get to try out Beowulf.
 
-3
A: I'm getting "This should be a Suggested Edit" when attempting to Suggest an Edit

Young GuiloSince you do not have the ability to edit one of the posts by yourself you have to recommend it so that a moderator can look at it and accept it.

facedesk
Oh, joy. More bounty hunting from our favorite crap poster.
 
user15026
@fbueckert meep?
 
Tried my first online match in Skullgirls.
I barely lost!
 
@Yawus Uh just use the control settings. Just don't remap Start. Especially not to your right stick. Like certain people.
 
I know exactly one combo with Valentine and it's not even a good one, and I have no idea how to distance close with her.
 
3:30 AM
@AshleyNunn He's answered three bounty questions. I don't know if they're correct, but given his track record, probably not.
 
I know exactly zero comboes with Cerebellum except QCB+Throw hits hard so use it.
 
And why is the front page blank?
 
@BenBrocka :(
 
@StrixVaria Cere hits hard enough you don't need that many combos to start with
 
@BenBrocka Yeah I noticed that.
My opponent was using only Peacock, so my main issue was just getting close enough to do anything.
He also threw me a lot.
 
3:31 AM
good thing to know though; the MP (I think, the big elbow) staggers opponents, which is like hitstun but you can grab them out of it
so you can chain that move into Merry Go Rilla usually
 
@BenBrocka Yeah I learned that in the tutorial. Just have to actually use it.
It's really useful.
 
And if at all possible, get close with Cere and hit someone with Showstopper when they're at arouind 1/4th health and you should net a KO. I forget the exact % it'll do on a fair matchup
 
@BenBrocka Is that the one where she does the windmill fists?
 
No that's Diamond Dynamo
Showstopper is the full circle grab
 
Oh, showstopper is the throw?
Ok.
 
3:33 AM
e.g. the most damaging level one super in the game
...and one of the most damaging period, too
 
Got it.
 
But it's all recoverable damage, so if you do that to a live opponent and don't kill 'em they'll just swap out
 
inches back in the Bridge
meep
 
@BenBrocka I did notice Cere leaves a lot of recoverable damage in general.
 
throws are 100% recoverable damage
 
3:34 AM
@spugsley Hey, welcome back.
 
That would explain it.
 
:D
 
That's why Cere's best to finish people off, or when they have 1 character left
 
user15026
@spugsley offers cookies
 
COOKIE
 
user15026
3:35 AM
They're chocolate chip
 
Is it possible to un-community wiki an answer to punish the answerer for his stupidity with downvotes?
 
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A: Does Item luck from Feng Shui have any affect on when new items appear in Re-tail?

Young GuiloFeng does not affect Re-tail. As Ben Brocka said they do always add an item every day. After the items have reached a pile of 5 items there are 3 days in which the items will remain. Afterwards everything resets and new items will begin to appear.

I don't think this is correct.
 
@TrentHawkins Where is this vendor "upgrade" filter you speak of?
 
@TrentHawkins Only for moderators, and that's usually only done because a good answer that got CW status because of legit edits instead of minor edits (stuff is auto-wikied to prevent bumping for precious rep)
 
I have had the same item in my Retail for weeks now.
 
3:37 AM
@BenBrocka Sadly, it seems to have been used in the opposite case for this instance.
 
@StrixVaria Try using Val to weaken people. If you have the meter to spare, you can DHC into Diamond Dynamo to get Cere in, or just use her raw tag as the end of a combo and then go for the kill
her drop-in raw tag is pretty safe
unlike Val's
 
@AshleyNunn wantwantwantwant
 
@TrentHawkins Yeah, that doesn't show up for Zed's vending machine.
 
user15026
3:41 AM
@spugsley emails you a cookie
 
@fbueckert "Upgrade" filter is in the ammunition ones
 
@GnomeSlice I broke Megabyte Punch
I kicked an enemy so hard that it broke the wall next to one of the doors that locks you in for fights
So the doors won't retract now
 
Ugh, I hate characters like Double.
It feels so lazy, and it's so much harder to react to her moves.
 
@StrixVaria Yeah, Double's annoying, but I have a lot of problems with ranged attacks.
Specifically, spamming ranged attacks.
 
@Yawus I don't know how you are playing as Parasoul.
 
3:53 AM
@StrixVaria To be honest, I don't know how I'm playing as Parasoul either.
 
I tried all the characters a bit, and she's probably the one I had the most trouble doing anything with.
 
@Yawus you have SG? Add me on steam
@StrixVaria on the plus side I think they're balancing to reduce cat head spam
 
@BenBrocka Is it just BenBrocka or something?
I think I'm going to change my Steam name some time soon.
I've been Doctor Whooves for quite some time now.
 
it's sirtaptap
 
I haven't changed my steam name since college.
 
3:55 AM
I haven't either, don't plan to. Wish I could changem y PSN name though, since I made it before my current pseudonym, which I don't plan to change again
 
@BenBrocka Somehow I had your age in my head as "way younger than you initially presumed", so I thought 19 or something. I was like "you are out of college already??" Then I checked your profile again.
Now my impression of your age has been wrong in both directions.
 
23 IS way younger than most people seem to assume
 

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