The Bridge

kalina

12:01 AM

yawn

MBraedley

@kalina I agree

FEichinger

MBraedley

@FEichinger What if I had epilepsy? How would you feel for all but killing me?

FEichinger

@MBraedley I would primarily question you being on a site that discusses a medium that consists of flashy colours.

MBraedley

@FEichinger That's not true of all games

Sterno

12:14 AM

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A: BioShock Infinite closures on release day

I think Ashley is absolutely right about why questions may have been closed, but I don't think the community is right in doing so in the majority of the cases. I kind of feel like people need to get over the whole "oh no, they're camping questions!" thing. If a question is bad, downvote it. Clos...

FEichinger

@MBraedley That's not what I said. What I said was that the mediu itself consists of flashy colours.

Sterno

Short version: stop worrying about rep so much, people

MBraedley

@FEichinger flashy colours != flashing colours

AFAIK, most epileptics are fine with highly saturated colours

user15026

@MBraedley My aunt, for example, can handle watching some video games over others.

user15026

But stuff like that image? No go.

user15026

12:17 AM

Hell, I don't have epilepsy, and that image is making my brain icky.

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kalina

@Sterno I agree

I think the instance in question is a bit poor and reflects badly on us as a community

and I've just realised that my speakers are way too loud for the time of day it is

kalina

12:34 AM

@Sterno I wish I could upvote this more than once, it looks a little lonely with a score of 0

Lazers

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Q: How can I skip the opening logos in Bioshock: Infinite?

When I start the game, I have to sit through a barrage of unskippable logos and splash screens. How do I disable these logos and get straight to the main menu?

pc bioshock-infinite

Sterno

@kalina the amusing part to me is he could have just posted them at midnight, still beat everyone, but to the rep nazis that'd be a-ok

New proposal to make everyone happy: make those early questions community wiki

Now I'm going to go play Bioshock

kalina

I should play Bioshock but instead I'm watching random TV shows

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

12:51 AM

Amazon acquires GoodReads

user15026

1:03 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I wonder if that will change anything

user15026

Luigi's Mansion is hard :(

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn Doesn't GoodReads already make money off its Amazon affiliate program?

Lazers

0

Q: Anyone mind explaining to me how the Gibbed Modder works?

I am about to configure a save file but I have no idea how to use the Gibber Modder. Someone care to walk me through? I need to revert a corrupted save file. Pics would help.

borderlands-2

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I believe so.

Ktash

1:38 AM

@FEichinger Party 2 days straight (NSFW)

user15026

I am falling asleep at my keyboard and it is early and I still have two-four pages of this essay to write.

Lazers

0

Q: how does one make a circuit with a delay of 1 minute on mine craft?

i am trying to make a circuit with a delay of 600 ticks.could anyone give some help? this diagram from the minecraft wiki looks doable, but i cant get it to work. if someone could post a picture of it as how it should look upon completion, that would work toohttp://media-mcw.cursecdn.com/8/82/Ext...

minecraft minecraft-redstone

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Well, I can't seem to find a good group vector of the 6 main characters, but I did find this, which is super cute

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I find this super adorable.

Ktash

@AshleyNunn So you mean you have 2 pages to write? ;)

user15026

1:50 AM

@Ktash yeah, pretty much

user15026

I am just out of things to really say, which sucks, but getting 6 pages so far out of two books I have yet to read is pretty respectable

Ktash

Yeah, that was how all of my college paper went...

except the one where I cited Beauty and the Beast (the Disney version). That one I did the "reading" for ;)

user15026

@Ktash I manage to read some of the books, but Ulysses is a 750 page monster that doesn't seem to have ANY paragraphs and very little punctuation, so......

user15026

@Ktash I wish I could cite stuff like that

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Ktash How did that get past the teachers? :P

user15026

1:53 AM

Mine is all blah blah blah boring academia

user15026

I did manage to stick a couple block quotes in that even make sense to be that long, so that is nice

Ktash

@YiJiang'sEvilClone "past" the teacher? Please, it was 2 paragraphs in a persuasive paper. I described the movie in detail. And I got an A on that paper

badp

@Ashley maybe be the devil's advocate for a while and find counterpoints to your arguments, then proceed to destroy them

user15026

@badp That might work

badp

Maybe insert a snarky reference on how the page count doesn't really matter :-P

Ktash

1:58 AM

My citations in that paper (which I just pulled up) included: Peter Pan, 300, Beauty and the Beast, and Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal

user15026

@badp Yeah, that likely won't go so well

user15026

@Ktash What the crap. What were you even writing about?

Ktash

The folly of modern man to assume he is better than his predecessors

user15026

@Ktash And you managed to quote all of those things? AWESOME

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Hrump. The National Library catalogue has the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but it's marked as Not for Loan

badp

2:00 AM

Also if it is about Ulysses then there's this other bad idea. youtube.com/watch?v=MLK7RI_HW-E

user15026

My school is SO academically minded (thats what I get for being an Artsie in a Mathie school) that stuff like that wouldn't fly

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Each one got about a paragraph or two of analysis :)

user15026

@badp " it presents incredible challenges to its readers; including a giant cast of characters, huge walls of text"....that sounds like Joyce!

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Seattle is just full of hippies. It's to be expected here

also, it was a mandatory intro english course. Not very many people were putting in much effort

user15026

@Ktash yeah, Waterloo is like omg high tech, so I am going to the Math/CS/Engie school, which means that they really don't know what to do with Artsies like me

Ktash

2:02 AM

They even offered a "Harry Potter" version of the course, but they didn't have it the semester I had to take it

user15026

@Ktash whaaaaaat

Ktash

UW (that is the University of Washington, the better UW ;) ) is a very tech/engineering heavy school as well. But we're big so we've got a mix of peoples

user15026

@Ktash Yeah, any of the artsies that were actually hardcore in their artsieness went to Laurier, the other uni in town

Ktash

@Ktash And by semester I mean quarter :/

user15026

@badp I half wish I could cite this somehow

user15026

2:07 AM

Also, I am trying not to watch EVERY video on this channel now

user15026

I HAVE A PAGE AND A HALF TO GOOOOOO

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn Increase font size and line height

That always worked for me

Ktash

Increase the font size of just the periods

user15026

@Ktash It likely was the better UW - I only went to this UW because it was my ex-wife's alma mater so I was like oh yeah lets do this. (At the time, I was also going to be a psych major, which Laurier didn't offer.)

user15026

@Ktash How would I even./

badp

2:08 AM

Find Select all

user15026

I am using Word, if that makes a difference? idk, my brain is melting

badp

Although then I'd change the font sizes of all spaces rather than periods

Just be writing

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Ex-wife?? ...

Learned something new today lol

user15026

I wonder if I can call Joyce a misogynist and get away with it

user15026

@Ktash Oh, yeah, we separated almost a year ago now. :P

Ktash

2:10 AM

@AshleyNunn I once wrote an essay insulting the author... don't do it. My teacher was a big fan, and it did not go well

@AshleyNunn Interesting

user15026

@Ktash I suppose that is a fair point

user15026

@Ktash yeeeep

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn Maybe writeordie.com/#Web+App will help you? :P

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone You know, it might.

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Sometimes I forget a lot of the rest of the world is ahead of America in terms of rights for LBGT... We've only just legalized it here in Washington

user15026

2:13 AM

@Ktash Yeah, go Canada. :D

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Heh, indeed. But we've still got weed on you I think ;)

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn Although the backlash in Manitoba against the bullying of said LBGT is very sad.

user15026

(We were common-law, but for all intents and purposes according to every governmental thing and all teh rights and stuff, we were as good as married, and considered ourselves such)

user15026

@fbueckert Yeaaah, it's not perfect anywhere :(

LessPop_MoreFizz

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user15026

2:14 AM

@Ktash Hahaha, this is true

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone is it bad that I actually like the "annoying sound" I am getting for not keeping up my word count?

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn Granted, the bill is a bit overbroad; it does have some problems.

user15026

@fbueckert Overbroad?

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn It's most an anti-bully bill, not focused specifically on LBGT.

user15026

@fbueckert Ah, yeah, that one. It's pretty icky.

kalina

2:17 AM

zzz

fbueckert

The discipline a coach metes out, such as yelling at an athlete, could be defined as bullying.

badp

@less what are actually the internet speeds of cable providers? (We don't have cable in Italy, just ADSL)

Ktash

New York wins the overboard award with their soda ban

user15026

@fbueckert At least it isn't anything like this

user15026

@Ktash That got overturned, did it not?

Ktash

2:18 AM

@AshleyNunn Thankfully, but I think the Mayor is still trying to get it through or something

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn That's got human rights issues written all over it.

user15026

@Ktash Yeah, thats what I heard.

user15026

@fbueckert Oh yeah, it really does

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn Ahahahaha. How late in to the night is it for you? :P

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone only 10:18 but I have been working on this esssay for 5 hours straight

user15026

2:19 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz This is so true and that sucks

Lazers

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Q: What player is chosen for the challenges before a match in career mode? FIFA 13

How does Fifa choose which player you get in the challenges before the match starts? Is there anyway you can choose it yourself?

ps3 fifa-13

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz And boy, howdy do they scream when someone else enters the field.

Because that means they have to actually gasp compete!

user15026

@fbueckert Yeaaaah

LessPop_MoreFizz

The NYC soda ban was overturned by a judge yeah. The city intends to appeal.

TBQH, the problem with the soda ban (which is really not a good term for it) isn't that it's over-broad, but that it isn't broad enough - essentially, it has so many loopholes as to be worthless, and yet, as written, caused all kinds of things that shouldn't be affected to be adversely affected.

The basic policy principle of restricting the sale of sugary sodas in quantities > 16 oz is perfectly reasonable at it's core.

It's just that because the city can't regulate whole classes of retailers that sell large drinks, but can regulate lots of others, there are a ton of places that are exempt.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@LessPop_MoreFizz Mostly accurate, except the part about cartels. Actual explicit collusion between large companies are very illegal, but that doesn't mean implicit collusion and price leadership can't happen.

Ktash

2:30 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Why? What gives the government the right to police what I do and do not drink?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@YiJiang'sEvilClone The cable companies have been succesfully sued over price fixing/collusion on several occasions.

@Ktash Nothing gives the government that right. However, they do have the right to determine what restaurants do and do not sell. Which they are exercising.

You however, are free to drink as much as you please.

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz Then what gives them the right to police the size or quantities a business serves? :)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash The same thing that gives them the right to police the restaurant's cleanliness, it's choice of ingredients (i.e. trans-fats are not legal in NYC either), etc.; the governmental prerogative to protect the health of the citizenry.

The problem with the soda ban is the wild inconsistencies that came from the fact that the Mayor had the DoH do it unilaterally, rather than getting the city council to pass a law, which resulted in loopholes all over the place. (And resulted in a lack of several key loopholes that would've been handy, like allowing delivery restaurants to continue delivering 2 liter bottles of soda)

user15026

If a paper asks for at least 3 sources outside of the two novels, how many is too many?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn 300 is probably too many.

user15026

2:34 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Thanks, that helps :P

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz Why is my health or unhealth something that should be governed by law? Why is it not my choice and decision to treat my body as I will? What makes it a state or city issue whether or not I have a sugary beverage with my meal?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@LessPop_MoreFizz Ha! Companies don't actually need to communicate to exhibit cartel-like behavior, though.

@Ktash Because your health has a external effect on society as a whole, not just yourself

Ktash

Also, the choice of ingredients should fall under the same category (in my book) but public health code is about protecting consumers not from themselves, but from the company

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Being unhealthy exacts a public cost that's not internalized by private individuals

Ktash

@YiJiang'sEvilClone So? So does how often I use the public sidewalk. Should we limit that so I don't "wear it out"

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

2:37 AM

Different issue. Sidewalks are public goods. This is a matter of externalities.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash Part of the argument is that the portion limit does in fact protect you from the company, because sodas are deceptively unhealthy, and, more to the point, standard portion sizes have increased wildly over the past 50 years for arguably no real reason.

Ktash

Also, why is it the governments right to control how I "effect" society. There are people in my community who don't agree with LBGT individuals, who might cause unrest if these individuals are seen. Should we not limit those individuals and not allow them public displays of affection?

@LessPop_MoreFizz No, that protects you from yourself. You are more than able to look up nutritional facts on all of the drinks you will receive. You cannot, however, look at the kitchen and it's state.

At least not in most restaurants

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash That information is... not as accessible as it ought to be. (And no, I do not mean 'easy to find on the internet' when I say accessible.)

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz On the side of every can in the US???

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz This is true

Ktash

2:41 AM

Also, using that argument, why not go to the root of the problem. Make that information more widely available. As they do with things like cigarettes

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash because Mcdonalds sells it's soda in a can. But, more to the point, where I used the word accessible, you can easily substitute 'comprehensible' to get a better idea of what I'm getting at.

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz Then education is the problem.

user15026

@LessPop_MoreFizz yeah, most nutritional info is generally useless in terms of actual merit to the population

Ktash

Educate people, don't force protections on them and consider them ignorant and leave that as ok

user15026

I mean I know what it all theoretically means, but that doesn't make it useful to me - not as much as people like to claim

LessPop_MoreFizz

2:42 AM

@Ktash There are things the city has the power to do. There are things the city does not have the power to do. In the absence of action by the state or federal government, the city does the things it has the authority to.

@Ktash It could be easily argued that a limit on single portions is a pretty excellent form of education.

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz And I'm saying the city does not have the rights to encroach upon it's citizens (or in this case, businesses) a forced portion control because it thinks it's population is too stupid to choose for themselves

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash No, the city pretty clearly has the authority to restrict what businesses do and do not sell. That's not really a statement of any legal merit.

Now, you can argue that just because the city has that authority doesn't mean it ought to exercise that authority.

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz Ok, I'm going to do my best to not yell or be mean here. This is a sensitive topic you've touched on there, so, know I mean no disrepsect with the following. HIDING THE TRUTH DOES NOT COUNT AS EDUCATION!

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash Who's hiding anything? The limit essentially is saying "Drinking more than this much is irresponsible". That is a True Statement, not an obfuscation of anything.

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz It has the authority to say what it can sell, not the portions, nor price. The free market is there to take care of that. And where the free market can't (monopolies) the government occasionally has stepped in to help the situation for consumers

@LessPop_MoreFizz No, they are assuming that their population is ignorant and cannot manage to control their portions themselves

spugsley

2:47 AM

UGHHHHHHH someone make me go pack

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash No, control of quantities sold is a well established as within the bounds of government authority. See also: Various laws around the country regarding the sale and service of alcohol; restrictions on the sale of individual cigarettes; restrictions on the sale of large quantities of pseudoephedrine.

spugsley

@StrixVaria sadly, Skorn (unless it has like 2k dps) is totally worthless

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash They're not assuming anything. That is also a True Statement, that is backed up by decades of evidence and research. It's not exactly a secret that obesity is at an all time high in the US, and that the increase correlates quite closely to the rise in annual sales of soda.

user15026

@spugsley GO PACK LADY

user15026

BECAUSE I SAY SO

user15026

2:48 AM

OR I WILL MAKE SAD FACES

LessPop_MoreFizz

@spugsley Go pack because chat is nothing but a boring argument between me and @Ktash

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn *le gasp* NO, not the SAD FACE!

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone oh yeah, no holds barred, it will get all sad face up in here

spugsley

uhhhhhhhhhh but packing is boringggg

user15026

@spugsley BUT IT MEANS YOU MIGHT POSSIBLY BE GOING SOMEWHERE AWESOME SO PACK STUFF

LessPop_MoreFizz

2:50 AM

@Ktash I mean, you're welcome to think that it's a bad policy. There are plenty of those to go around. I'm largely ambivalent to it. But there is really nothing inherently overreaching or unconstitutional or otherwise inherently improper about it, which is the argument you've been trying to make.

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz Alright then let's ask the hard problem. Why is it the responsibility of the government to stop obesity? If we had all been educated since we were children about it, and chose it for ourselves, would it still be their responsibility?

LessPop_MoreFizz

The reason it was struck down had nothing to do with any inherent impropriety and everything to do with procedural matters regarding how it was introduced and implemented.

spugsley

@AshleyNunn yes I'mma go gamble for my birthday

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz Also, correlation does not equal causation ;) As a gamer, that should be your motto ;)

user15026

@spugsley HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND YAY GAMBLING AND HERE HAVE SOME CAKE BECAUSE BIRTHDAY gives cake

Ktash

2:52 AM

@spugsley When is your bday??

spugsley

@AshleyNunn lol my birthday isn't until April 15th :p this is an early bday excuse to gamble!

Ktash

Answers my question lol

spugsley

@Ktash yerp :)

user15026

@spugsley Well then we can have cake TWO TIMES

user15026

BECAUSE YOU ARE WORTH CAKE TWICE

spugsley

2:53 AM

@AshleyNunn BEST. SENTENCE. EVER.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash For the same reason it's the responsibility of the government to stop lung cancer by restricting tobacco.

Ktash

@LessPop_MoreFizz Another one I disagree with :)

user15026

Oh, I get it, this is just like making out with giraffes. I know this.

Tweeted by fetlife_ebooks on February 24, 2013 at 4:24 AM

Ktash

I believe whole heartedly it is not the right nor responsibility of the government to protect citizens from themselves, only from others

user15026

I don't know why this made me laugh so hard I am crying

user15026

2:55 AM

@spugsley giggles I live to please, m'lady, and I really do like cake

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Ktash Tobacco is significantly worse than sugary drinks and other fattening food. The addictive quality of nicotine, for instance, and also the externality imposed by second hand smoking.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash Trotting that out is possibly the most facile and worthless way of arguing about any subject ever. Correlation doesn't imply causation, but there is a clear causal relationship between increased consumption of sugary soft drinks and obesity. There has been a marked increase in obesity. There has been a marked increase in sales of soft drinks. All of these statements are facts.

Ktash

@YiJiang'sEvilClone External impact is the one thing about cigarettes that can change it slightly

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Ktash I'm cool with you considering it improper for government to do so. But the fact is, that what is proper, as in, a policy you support, is not the same as what is within the authority of government as established by the various constitutions and charters under which our various levels of government are organized.

Like I said, I'm largely ambivalent to the soda ban. I could see why you'd disagree with it. I'm not sure it'd be particularly effective. But I also don't think there's anything wrong with it from the perspective of being something that the government ought not have the authority to do. The proper response is not to get it overturned by the courts as being an overstep of authority, but to elect officials who will enact different policy.

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