The Bridge

5:00 PM

@fbueckert So modrec, then?

Also, my mistake, it's Battlefield that Metal Mario is in for Melee, which is unlocked by completeing All-Star Mode once.

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Sounds like it.

But mod-rec is apparently an area we allow now.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert It is?

Ummm... Okay...

fbueckert

16

Q: Is "mod rec" really am umbrella category that we want to use? Or is it confusing the situation?

This is a bit of a take on the discussion largely brought up by this question of last Fall, but to take a different approach to it. One might also gander at this oldie. As an upfront note, any instance I use of "native" refers to the original game design, without any modifications. Game-rec wor...

That said, it's more along the lines of providing mods as solutions to your problem, not going, "I want a mod that does X."

badp

argh painful memories make it go make that question go

fbueckert

5:04 PM

We can probably re-word the Smash Bros. question to go, "Is there any way to play this stage in multiplayer?"

SaintWacko

Yeah, it more seems to focus on mod related answers rather than questions

Powerlord

All question are solution-rec, vote to close!!!!

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz Sorry, obscure American laws don't affect me, so I wouldn't know. Where I am from, this is absolutely legal. — Marco Leblanc 4 mins ago

I also live in Canada, where this is somewhat questionable.

This attitude irks me greatly.

Powerlord

@fbueckert I live in insanity, where everything is allowed.

badp

There

tiddy

5:06 PM

American laws don't affect other countries? That's cute

fbueckert

@tiddy Especially as they do their damnedest to MAKE them apply to other countries.

See: extradition of TVShack owner.

Or Kim Dotcom.

tiddy

American Mass Media Conglomerates can suck on everything awful.

Literally trying to lobby their way out of extinction

I say trying, but they are actually doing

badp

join server

land on winning team

GPU drivers crash

Disconnect: bp timed out.

Server is full.

Sigh.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert Goddamnit, I broke my promise to myself that I wouldn't get into fights about IP laws in the comments sections of mediocre questions.

Oh well, I tossed a few more logs on the fire.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@LessPop_MoreFizz Is that a New Year's resolution? :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

5:13 PM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Not really.

Coronus

@LessPop_MoreFizz There's always next New Year's

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I just renewed a book online that was 1 hour overdue

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert You mean the extradition of Kim Dotcom for verifiable crimes that were committed on US soil? Yeah, I don't know why things like that happened. Or maybe you think Eichmann should've been allowed to just chill out in Argentina until he died too?

SaintWacko

Argh!

Another tantrum spiral!

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz Your latest comment has an extra "the"!

I find your ignorance very insulting. </sarcasm>

LessPop_MoreFizz

5:16 PM

@Fluttershy Woo hoo, caught and fixed in time!

Zero Stack

does anyone have the URL of the videocard that was offered in the SC2 awards on here?

Fluttershy

Yayy!

OrigamiRobot

@LessPop_MoreFizz I take full credit for this teamwork.

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot ಠ_ಠ

user15026

@lesspop I like that you did the IP law commenting because you said the stuff I wanted to say in a much more eloquent way.

SaintWacko

5:18 PM

Why are all my Dorfs so unhappy?!

LessPop_MoreFizz

Part of the problem with the Canadian pirate entitlement complex is that there are actually specific exemptions in copyright law which allow for downloading of audio recordings, paid for by a compulsory license on blank discs and cd burners. But lots of people are stupid and think that because it's true for JustinBeiberBoyfriend.MP3, that it's also true for all of their awesome rom's and TV shows and movies.

Sconibulus

The guy's coming back!

user15026

@lesspop precisely. People tend to ignore the fact that we have pretty strong copyright because of that one loophole.

user15026

And it says right in the laws he linked that those exemptions he mentions are only for copies made from something you own, not something gleaned from the Internet.

user15026

Regardless of you owning the original item.

OrigamiRobot

5:23 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz But downloading is downloading! I deserve free stuff.

user15026

@origamirobot but you wouldn't download a car would you

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn I don't think my pipes are fat enough

user15026

(I love that argument for its sheer stupidity)

Sconibulus

@AshleyNunn f*ck you, I would if I could!

Fluttershy

Sconibulus

5:25 PM

I would also download a bear

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn I have a 3D printer, I download whatever I want.

OrigamiRobot

@LessPop_MoreFizz Jealous!

LessPop_MoreFizz

@OrigamiRobot (I don't actually have a 3 D Printer.)

user15026

@lesspop you rebel

Zero Stack

@Fluttershy I would as well.

OrigamiRobot

5:26 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz I'm still jealous of the people who do.

user15026

I mean I hate a lot of Canadian copyright rules, but I know what they are, and this is not kosher. Seriously, his own argument falls apart in the very laws he links.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@AshleyNunn Yeah, I made a comment pointing that out too. The law tends to consider the act of copying something to be distinct and seperate from the act of acquiring a second copy. Now, there are jurisdictions where the latter has been found to be okay. But 1) Canada is not one of them, and 2) they are very much in the minority of Berne/WIPO nations.

user15026

Pretty much, yeah. Which means that his whole plan does not hold water.

Powerlord

@Aarthi What's with all the removed messages?

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz Most of the case I've seen against Kim Dotcom is the government overreaching on flimsy grounds, committed by his company, not him.

OrigamiRobot

5:28 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz And that makes sense because distributing copies is illegal and you are now associated with that if you download a copy.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Powerlord She linked to this: fandom-forecast.tumblr.com/post/46345957000/… Not sure why she deleted it

Lazers

0

Q: In what ways can I replenish "salt"?

Salt is the essentially the "mana" portion of abilities in Bioshock: Infinite. In what ways can I get more salt? Are there any ways besides looting corpses and boxes for vials?

bioshock-infinite

0

Q: Dark Souls (Xbox 360) Failed to load Artorias of the Abyss

Alright... I've had this issue for some time now, and after searching, I seem to be the only person who will ask or has this issue. It seems that every time I try to load the game along with the Artorias of the Abyss DLC offline I receive a nice little error stating the DLC failed to load properl...

xbox-360 dark-souls

1

Q: Where do I use the first key I find?

I'm just starting Bioshock Infinite and came across a building for the Order of the Raven. I interrupted their meeting and killed all the guys assembled near the altar, and on it I found a key. When I picked it up, it said it was for an optional quest, and that I should go back to where I've alre...

bioshock-infinite

Aarthi

@YiJiang'sEvilClone @Powerlord I realized I'd come barrelling in during the middle of an ongoing convo.

user15026

@aarthi we manage to have multiple conversations all the time. :)

Sconibulus

This is chat, we frequently have multiple conversations :)

mostly because minecraft rarely goes away, and we like to be able to talk about other things too

user15026

5:32 PM

Hahaha

user15026

That is a game I will never understand

Coronus

I'm starting to experiment with machines in unmodded Minecraft. Any suggestions on resources, project ideas?

Sconibulus

Hardcore survival single player minecraft is kinda fun, but I consider a nether portal the endpoint

OrigamiRobot

4

Sconibulus

after that it's too much work to farm up for the end

OrigamiRobot

5:34 PM

With @Wipqozn in mind.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert The money laundering charges are quite clear, and if the argument laid out in the indictment is factually correct (which is the purpose of a trial, which he must be extradited in order to face), then he is quite culpable for them. No overreach there at all really, and the crime was pretty clearly committed on US soil.

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz I haven't heard anything about money laundering at all.

All I know about is the massive (and flimsy) case against him regarding Megaupload.

user15026

@fbueckert it is a lot more complicated than just MegaUpload.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert Some of the charges against him in the megaupload indictment were of money laundering.

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn I wouldn't mind reading up on that, then.

Most of what I know about it comes about from Techdirt, and to my knowledge, they don't address anything about money laundering.

user15026

5:36 PM

@fbueckert I might have links still, remind me later, and I will hunt them for you, in return for all the lovely stuff you gave me on Prenda.

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn Shall do.

user15026

:D

fbueckert

I'm not saying he's guilty of something. What I'm saying is that the case the US government built is quite possible predicated on illegal means. Why else is the entire case falling apart in New Zealand?

Powerlord

@Sconibulus Or that other topic, but I'm not going to say which one lest it return again.

Coronus

@OrigamiRob How's your human-eating homestead coming along?

OrigamiRobot

5:37 PM

@Coronus ಠ_ಠ

@Coronus I haven't started it yet.

fbueckert

And why did the US government not actually say that, as part of the extradition hearing, rather than, "Never mind the details. Just rubberstamp it and let us extradite him."

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert The money laundering charges were specifically related to the structure of Megas 'uploader rewards' program.

@fbueckert They had an indictment from a federal court. That's pretty a pretty clear "Hey, this is why we want this guy extradited to face trial."

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz So the US government is above every other country's laws?

They don't have to explain themselves?

Coronus

@OrigamiRobot Really? That's why I decided to not poke my head in. I was afraid of being dropped in a cage on a conveyor belt heading slowly toward pure terror.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert Do you know what an Extradition treaty is? Do you know what purpose it serves?

user15026

5:40 PM

@coronus @origamirobot human eating homestead? That sounds like a not good thing. Remind me never to visit you.

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz To agree to extradite criminals between the countries.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert The US isn't above another nations laws because it wants to prosecute somebody who committed crimes on US Soil.

Coronus

@AshleyNunn The way it was described was quite terrifying,

fbueckert

You're missing the point, though.

OrigamiRobot

@Coronus Nah, you're fine.

user15026

5:41 PM

@coronus It sounds like nightmare fuel.

fbueckert

Since when does an extradition treaty give a member country the right to demand extradition and not explain themselves?

Coronus

@AshleyNunn Oh, speaking of fuel, guess what powers the machines? >_> <_<

user15026

@coronus I am scared to ask.

fbueckert

Because that's what it amounted to. "Extradite him. Because we said so."

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert No, I think you are. The US had an indictment saying "We have charges against Person and he must stand trial. He committed a crime in our nation. This is the indictment which explains his crime. Please to arrest him and send him to us."

@fbueckert No, it amounted to "Extradite him, because he is charged with $crimes for which there is $evidence".

Coronus

5:42 PM

@AshleyNunn "Human-eating" Nuff said.

user15026

@coronus O.o hides under her bed

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz Not from what I understand. The extradition hearing was basically, "We don't have to present the charges until he's on US soil."

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Coronus Minecraft has cannibalism now? Cool!

user15026

This plan only falls apart when I realize I can't really fit under my bed.

fbueckert

So they were supposed to extradite him completely on faith.

Coronus

5:43 PM

That's right. @OrigamiRobot is researching biofuel.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert I find that a little implausible, given that you can read the fucking indictment on the DOJ website.

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz On US soil, yes.

My understanding is that they refused to explain it to the judge.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert Is the DOJ website inaccessible from foreign IP's? That's news to me.

user15026

@origamirobot so you are some type of crazy mad scientist robot. Exciting.

OrigamiRobot

@Coronus No, just Biomass. It's greener.

Mar 15 at 13:59, by OrigamiRobot

Plus, organic matter is the only way to power a secret robot base.

fbueckert

5:44 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Since when is it kosher for the US government to not co-operate with treaty members, then?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert Your understanding is, I suspect, more than a little colored by your own opinion about the lack of justice in the laws being used to bring the prosecution. I happen to agree that the laws in question are exceptionally silly, but there is nothing improper going on here.

user15026

@origamirobot and the other day you were trying to tell me you tolerate/robot-love people.

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz To a degree, I suspect so. I just don't think the government's representatives should be taking the attitude of, "Because we say so."

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn That was a trick

OrigamiRobot

@AshleyNunn Some people.

fbueckert

5:46 PM

If they had actual evidence, why didn't they present it during the hearing? Rather than just going, "Because we say so."?

Sounds like a reasonable thing to do.

user15026

@saintwacko so I am realizing! Everything is a lie! sobs

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn There, there. pat pat

OrigamiRobot

Also, loving someone and melting them into biomass are not mutually exclusive.

5

user15026

@origamirobot but how do I trust I won't get turned into fuel for your evil schemes?

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot "I love you so much I want to burn you inside of me."?

user15026

5:47 PM

@saintwacko thank you. Your compassion is appreciated.

user15026

@saintwacko sounds like a really bad metal song or something.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Haha

Coronus

@SaintWacko "You light up my world. I mean that. Really."

user15026

@coronus facepalm

SaintWacko

@Coronus groan

Powerlord

5:48 PM

@OrigamiRobot turns card Bacon, please!

I overdid it on Bacon today.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert You're welcome to read the indictment yourself. It's quite clear in the allegations that it makes.

Coronus

@Powerlord That's not how it works. We get bacon.

user15026

I wish I had bacon.

Powerlord

@Coronus Oh.

SaintWacko

@Powerlord So, you activated it.

Where's our bacon?

Powerlord

5:49 PM

Anyway, the guy at our building's snack shop had extra "breakfast scramble" made with eggs, bacon, and potato when I went down for lunch... so I had breakfast for lunch.

user15026

That sounds awesome.

Powerlord

and I have an extra serving of it in the fridge to take home for later.

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz The allegations are beside the point. He'll get his hearing if they manage to extradite him. What I'm questioning is the US government's shady actions and practices that are all over this case.

Everything I've read about MegaUpload shows that the government resorted to underhanded and, in some cases, outright illegal means, to build the case.

SaintWacko

@Powerlord I'm jealous

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Advance Wars is so unforgiving. I made an early tactical mistake of sending up a third anti air to the second battlefield when only two should suffice, and that left me with too few resources in the main battlefield. I had to pull a minor miracle to win the battle. Ended up with an A rank instead of S.

Coronus

5:52 PM

3 mins ago, by SaintWacko

Where's our bacon?

Powerlord

Wait, I tapped the card, therefore I should be giving myself Bacon.

wanders off to the fridge

user15026

Oh I want bacon so badly.

user15026

But I have pizza, which is not bacon, but it will soon be delicious once the microwave beeps and it is warm.

fbueckert

Speaking of bacon, Denny's has a bacon promotion going on right now.

Baconalia

Coronus

@fbueckert That sidebar ad made it through my mental ad-blocker for a second.

Powerlord

5:56 PM

@AshleyNunn They also had Ham and Bacon Pizza here for lunch, but I went with breakfast instead.

Coronus

Ah, the power of bacon.

Powerlord

It helped that he only charged me for one serving and gave me like three.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn I had leftover bacon pizza for lunch

fbueckert

@Coronus I'm a fan of Denny's.

Love their Lumberjack Slam.

Raven Dreamer

@badp Yeah, I got my wisdom teeth pulled back in october. Playing XCOM while doped up on painkillers was... interesting.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

6:03 PM

Did it make you play better? :p

Sconibulus

I got my wisdom teeth pulled a little while ago too

apparently I got convinced one of my friends was a wizard, and called them asking them to make me fly

also, I managed to completely cure a computer that I'd almost written off as in need of a reformat due to malware

it was a weird couple days

Lazers

3

Q: How do I enable subtitles for Voxophone audio logs?

In both previous BioShock games the audio logs came with subtitles, but in this game I'm not getting any despite having both art and dialogue subtitles enabled. Is it supposed to be like that, or am I just missing something? I'm playing the 360 version if that makes any difference.

bioshock-infinite

0

Q: How do I get into the Lab?

I need to get into the Lab to get the Dark Light and the door disappeared. The professor assures me there is another way in, but I can't find it! How do I get into the Lab?

luigis-mansion-dark-moon

tiddy

I was just put under for 4 impacted. Didn't take meds but developed a distaste for mashed potatoes

Ullallulloo

invisiblebread.com/2013/03/faint

Powerlord

I just saw this in a log someone posted on alliedmodders

> L 03/26/2013 - 13:50:09: Info (map "gg_sex_fix") (file "errors_20130326.log")

Do I even want to know what the gungame map "sex_fix" is like?

OrigamiRobot

6:13 PM

2

badp

LOL

You wish

SaintWacko

Grrr

badp

You really really wish it worked like that

I wished it worked like that too.

OrigamiRobot

Judge Ruling: Consensus has no mana cost and can therefore never be cast.

SaintWacko

I'm trying to do a somewhat difficult initial embark

Very time constrained

OrigamiRobot

6:16 PM

@badp It is exactly how it works.

Coronus

@OrigamiRobot If a Mod is in play, target question is sent to the graveyard.

badp

@OrigamiRobot Only if it expires after 1 year or something

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz Pertaining to the Megaupload case. That shows the general attitude of the US government, in my opinion.

OrigamiRobot

1 min ago, by OrigamiRobot

Judge Ruling: Consensus has no mana cost and can therefore never be cast.

badp

and then suddenly we realize that we do in fact want mod-rec questions

Wipqozn

6:16 PM

@OrigamiRobot Oh please. That's never going to happen in the bridge.

OrigamiRobot

20 secs ago, by OrigamiRobot

1 min ago, by OrigamiRobot

Judge Ruling: Consensus has no mana cost and can therefore never be cast.

badp

@OrigamiRobot Just because it can't be cast it doesn't mean it gets to exist in the first place, for starters

Also, even when in effect, it doesn't work like that.

OrigamiRobot

@badp It does exist, it's just not happening here. Ever.

badp

The consensus is a lie
The consensus is a lie
The consensus is a lie
The consensus is a lie

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot I'm pretty sure there are cards which let you play any card from your hand for free, thus allowing you to play this card.

OrigamiRobot

6:17 PM

@Wipqozn They have a mana cost of 0

@Wipqozn Kind of like this.

It has no normal mana cost and cannot be played except for it's alternate cost.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot I know how it works, you misunderstand.

I meant there is a card which states something like "Play any card from your hand. Do not pay its mana cost"

or something along those lines.

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn Not in this set there isn't.

Wipqozn

I can't think of such a card, and I'm too lazy to look, but I'm certain such a card exists.

Because Magic.

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/…

Krazer

@OrigamiRobot What if I make you discard it and and play it from your graveyard with say... Memory Plunder?

OrigamiRobot

6:22 PM

@Krazer Memory Plunder is not legal in SE Magic.

Only cards from the SE set.

Sconibulus

there are other formats...

Ullallulloo

Why is it super-smash-bros-n64 instead of just being super-smash-bros?

That's not it's name.

OrigamiRobot

@Sconibulus Consensus exists and is playable outside of the SE format.

Ullallulloo

And there's no synonyms there.

Powerlord

@Ullallulloo What about questions that are about the series?

badp

6:25 PM

@Powerlord super-smash-bros-series?

OrigamiRobot

@Krazer Also, I love Memory Plunder. You can use it to cast things like Cyclonic Rift for it's Overload cost.

Ullallulloo

@Powerlord super-smash-bros-series exists.

badp

Merge performed until somebody makes a compelling argument otherwise

preferably on meta

fbueckert

@Ullallulloo And why is every single one of the questions on super-smash-bros-n64 have Super Smash Bros. (N64) in the title?

badp

@fbueckert Maybe there are multiple editions and they really really really really want to make sure we're talking about the N64? I dunno.

Ullallulloo

6:26 PM

@fbueckert To clarify, I guess.

Powerlord

@badp Pretty sure the original Super Smash Bros. was only on N64, with Melee on GameCube, and Brawl on Wii.

I forget what the 3DS/WiiU one is being called.

Ullallulloo

Nowadays, I usually assume Brawl if some says Super Smash Bros, but the tags don't need to.

Powerlord

I still think it's weird having June Foray and Alan Young doing voices for the Duck Tales remake considering they're both in their 90s.

badp

wait what Duck Tales remake?

Ullallulloo

@Powerlord "Upcoming Super Smash Bros. video game"

Powerlord

6:28 PM

@badp The game. Announced at Pax East

badp

oh.

Less excited.

Sconibulus

I usually assume Melee

that one seems to be the most popular still

badp

At least we're going to get a nicer version of the Moon theme.

Powerlord

capcom-unity.com/xantista/blog/2013/03/22/…

badp

Also I now realized that if Duck Tales was to come back, it'd come back Pixar style

...and that just gives me nightmares.

Ullallulloo

6:29 PM

►

Powerlord

Well, what strikes me as interesting about the game is that they're redoing the boss battles. Kotaku had a video of the new Magica De Spell battle.

badp

Phew. It's in good ole 2D "sprite" style

For some reason I just can't accept the idea of 3D models for those characters

Krazer

I like how Scrooge always has that blank look on him, as if he's possessed by something

SaintWacko

@Krazer He is. Money

Also, I managed to get my fortress access set up before the lake thawed!

Took a few tries

Lazers

1

Q: Understanding the ending of Bioshock: Infinite?

Spoilers: What I'm more curious about is how does Zachary Comstock enter Booker DeWitt's world. How did he even get there? If someone could explain the ending, that'd be great.

bioshock-infinite

0

Q: What in-game rewards does buying the physical set give?

I found the LEGO set High Speed Chase, and it says that "Includes unique code to unlock special missions and vehicles in the LEGO City Undercover video game." What missions and vehicles, and are they available by other means?