The Bridge

fbueckert

2:00 PM

@ickleislands to Act 2, or of Act 2?

:P Sorry, I nit-pick.

ickleislands

probably of

act 2 = running through the canyon with the enchantress

act 3 = lighting fires

"more hidden footprints" "more hidden footprints" "more hidden footprints" "look... more hidden footprints" "footprints" "more of them"

fbueckert

Then I really should be doing Act 3. Sounds like the difficulty curve is roughly similar to Act 2, then?

ickleislands

yeah except there are less ranged mobs

and no sandwasps

fbueckert

Yay!

Double-yay!

LessPop_MoreFizz

The only legitimately dangerous thing in Act III is deranged fallen. Which are easily dealt with by making the Templar eat them.

ickleislands

2:03 PM

Dont you just hate websites that talk about what you're looking for but don't cite their original source? :|

Yi Jiang

@ickleislands Google for the exact words if you think its copypasta

ickleislands

"Blizzard: We purposely launched the game with Inferno being far more difficult than what we were able to progress in ourselves, assuming people would find it as difficult but with a few skilled players able to pull it off, or the difficulty would simply help root out problem skills and builds that allowed flaw-filled progression possibilities."

gamersbook.com/scene/news/…

Yi Jiang

@ickleislands us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5149180916#15

ickleislands

that's the one

Yi Jiang

That's the top google result for the first sentence of that quote

ickleislands

2:05 PM

ye i hadn't googled yet

Yi Jiang

I use it to do plagiarism check on the posts I edit

skovacs1

@ickleislands less? Act 2 ranged = wasps, fallen shaman, skeleton archers, a few ghosts, the elemental constructs, and...? Act 3 ranged = quill fiend things, lashers, lords of pestilence, blood clan shaman things, fallen shaman, blood clan spear throwers, the pterodactyl things, succubi, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

ickleislands

@skovacs1 Act 2 = first mob you meet is a ranged that will one shot you, surrounded by more ranged that will one shot you

Act 3 = first 1/4 of the act is all fallen

more fallens

some more fallen

and then somebody to resurrect the fallen

skovacs1

@ickleislands fewer types of ranged though. Those LoPs are shenanigans as much as as the wasps.

ickleislands

ye but in act 3 you're confined to corridors and small openings

in act 2 you're surrounded by fields which are surrounded by fields

and the wasps are awfully good at running to just off the edge of the screen so they can continue attacking you

fbueckert

2:08 PM

@skovacs1 Heralds of Pestilence are at least confined to outside, after Ghom.

ickleislands

I have less difficulty with heralds than I do with wasps

a group of heralds is just as easy if you circle them because they will all attack at the same time

while wasps will keep moving, seperate, and flank you from all sides of the screen

StrixVaria

Are those the underground hands guys? I hate those guys.

ickleislands

ye

skovacs1

@fbueckert not true. You can encounter a few of them them in Arreat crater as well.

StrixVaria

I'd rather fight wasps.

ickleislands

2:09 PM

just watch for frame 1 of their animation and then run towards them

StrixVaria

That's just a bullet hell shooter.

The underground hands guys are stealth ranged aoe and hit hard.

ickleislands

oh ye they'll kill you nearly instantly

but their animations are predictable

StrixVaria

If you see them :P

fbueckert

@skovacs1 I meant as in, you don't encounter them until after you kill Ghom and go outside the fortress.

ickleislands

and once they start the cast they won't stop it unless you interrupt them in some fashion

fbueckert

2:11 PM

@ickleislands Monks are fantastic at interrupting regular mobs. It's what we do.

ickleislands

every third attack ye? :)

StrixVaria

@fbueckert Does that happen with Deadly Reach and Crippling Wave?

Grace Note

Inferno is like a bullet hell shooter?

fbueckert

@ickleislands Yup. If we're fast enough, we can stunlock entire groups.

StrixVaria

@GraceNote At times.

fbueckert

2:12 PM

@StrixVaria Pretty sure Crippling Wave does it. Not sure about Deadly Reach; I don't use it much.

Grace Note

Somehow I imagine that the dexterity of click-based movement would make it harder than it would need to be.

fbueckert

Doesn't synergize well with Sweeping Wind.

StrixVaria

I dropped Sweeping Wind because of that, not Deadly Reach :P

skovacs1

I think it also depends on what class you're playing as in addition to play style. I personally had little trouble with the wasps with any class, but those pestillences would always tag me when I am surrounded or in the middle of an attack.

ickleislands

Click to Move in Diablo is something that you get used to

StrixVaria

2:12 PM

Sweeping Wind just doesn't seem to have enough of an effect.

ickleislands

Once you're well practiced in it - it doesn't really present a barrier to movement anymore

Grace Note

I'm used to click-to-move from a Diablo standpoint. Not for a shmup.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria You bite your tongue

Oh, you already are....

Grace Note

(Yes I know it's not actually a shmup and wouldn't nearly be as difficult - it's more the point of the density of ranged attackers and their power)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GraceNote There are mobs that have abilities that are basically slow moving spread bullets that you need to dodge. And often they will fire at you from three different angles in a narrowish space. Hence, bullet hell.

fbueckert

2:14 PM

@OrigamiRobot Sweeping Wind can add up to ~65% weapon damage. That's phenomenal.

StrixVaria

@LessPop_MoreFizz Arcane Enchanted kind of plays along with this too.

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert GLORIOUS

ickleislands

@OrigamiRobot +1

LessPop_MoreFizz

@StrixVaria As does Molten and even Mortar.

Grace Note

Basically, like D2 blowdarts except in spreadfire fashion as far as your valid avenues of dodging.

fbueckert

2:15 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Mortar is supposed to have a minimum range, is it not?

OrigamiRobot

@LessPop_MoreFizz I love mortar. It procs my backlash a million times.

StrixVaria

@fbueckert :P I noticed that against the snakes last night.

fbueckert

I ran into some snakes yesterday that were mortaring at point blank. Hated it.

Grace Note

If it's called Mortar, I'd hope the minimum range is pretty far.

ickleislands

Mortor seems to have a minimum range

LessPop_MoreFizz

2:15 PM

@fbueckert Yes, but practically, you can't always be in minimum range of multiple mortarers.

ickleislands

but I've seen instances where it will hit in melee range

don't know the circumstances that would cause this

LessPop_MoreFizz

But yes, Mortar has a deadzone.

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz There were all in melee range.

StrixVaria

@LessPop_MoreFizz The mortars were going straight up and straight back down.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Sounds like a dream to me.

fbueckert

2:16 PM

And now I understand why ranged hates mortars. :P

ickleislands

@StrixVaria I'm sure they're intended to have a dead zone, but I've experienced the same

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot No dream. I wish it was.

ickleislands

TBH I prefer desecrate/plagued on my monk than mortar on my ranged

LessPop_MoreFizz

Mortar Deadzone is also being expanded, along with an increase to max range in next patch.

fbueckert

Although, if I'm dreaming about diablo, I have other things to worry about.

OrigamiRobot

2:17 PM

@fbueckert I'm pretty sure Mortar is what got me Like Water

Grace Note

Hey, better to dream about that than other things

StrixVaria

@LessPop_MoreFizz This will be hilarious.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Robots in gorilla suits?

StrixVaria

I kind of love mortar from a design perspective.

ickleislands

An increase to max range?

It already fires off the width of the screen

LessPop_MoreFizz

2:18 PM

@StrixVaria The goal is to make it a bit more ranged-hostile, and a bit less annoying to melee.

ickleislands

I am going to just set up a 5 monitor setup for Diablo 3

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot At the time, you weren't actually a robot.

ickleislands

3 across 3 down

so I can see everything

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Or was I?

fbueckert

@ickleislands Don't you need 9 monitors for that?

agent86

2:19 PM

what is this @GraceNote business?

ickleislands

D pad arrangement

don't care about the corners

Grace Note

No, last night was kinda like them crime drama shows, except even though we got enough evidence to definitely convict the guy, he kinda hopped to another dimension and built a final dungeon to hide in. I'm pretty sure that that kind of stunt would keep you out of jail no matter how obviously you did the crime.

fbueckert

@LessPop_MoreFizz Before those point-blank mortars, they didn't bother me at all.

@GraceNote What the crap were you drinking?

StrixVaria

@fbueckert Mortar doesn't really faze me even if it's hitting me on my monk. Molten, though. :(

GnomeSlice

►

fbueckert

2:21 PM

@StrixVaria Ditto. I looked at that affix as a non-starter. "Mortar? Meh. Whatever."

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Molten is the worst. I have no way to avoid it except hoping they don't move

Grace Note

@fbueckert Nothing, but let me tell you. Most cops don't carry a functional Hookshot.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fbueckert I think point blank mortars is a case of the edge of the deadzone being close enough that the splash hits into melee range. If they shoot at a follower, it can fuck you. Just a hunch though.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot The AI on inferno specifically runs circles around you when they have molten.

Grace Note

And all of it was all because of jealousy in entomological studies.

fbueckert

2:22 PM

@GraceNote New rule! All police must now carry functional hookshots. Titanium wires, dude!

LessPop_MoreFizz

I hate Molten not because they actually kill me with their ability but because I always forget they were molten and then die when I go to loot.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Oh, believe me, I've noticed.

LessPop_MoreFizz

And on that note, I'm off to get my shit together, because it looks like I'm headed to Chicago.

Grace Note

What does Molten do?

OrigamiRobot

@LessPop_MoreFizz This too.

GnomeSlice

2:22 PM

Hey look, I found a picture of the Pugsleys playing video games together:

skovacs1

@GnomeSlice sweet

GnomeSlice

StrixVaria

@GraceNote Fiery trail on the ground where they walk, and they explode a few seconds after they die.

Grace Note

Ah

GnomeSlice

SO CUTE (It's not actually them).

Grace Note

2:23 PM

So, like a bit amped from Fire Enchanted of yore.

@GraceNote Yup

wat

@GnomeSlice @spugsley wouldn't be able to see over @IanPugsley's shoulder in this scenario.

user15026

@agent86 What is this.

FAE

2:23 PM

@GnomeSlice Saw this last week, I thought it was adorable

GnomeSlice

@agent86 The all new, lazybaby!

fbueckert

And the AI in Inferno will specially run around you to make sure you're standing in fire.

agent86

@AshleyNunn you pay them money, and then they name your baby, I think?

fbueckert

And don't get me started on molten runners.

agent86

groupon's kind of a "local deal of the day" type site, if you weren't aware

ickleislands

2:24 PM

@GnomeSlice I'd never be willing to spend that much time cuddling, interrupting my gaming...

Grace Note

@fbueckert This is a good thing if you ask me.

user15026

@agent86 Yeah, that i know. but baby naming seems a tad....ridiculous

agent86

@fbueckert at least then inferno lives up to its name...

StrixVaria

Molten Fire Chains Shielding Fast

Makes me cry on my Monk.

agent86

@AshleyNunn yeah. well... maybe it's just a publicity stunt? :P

ickleislands

2:25 PM

@StrixVaria should automatically be combined by the game engine as 'Trololololol'

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Esc > Exit Diablo

GnomeSlice

@agent86 It's not, have you guys not heard of this new 'get your baby named' fad?

agent86

@StrixVaria I think it would be easier to list the combinations that don't cause us all to weep in pain

user15026

@ickleislands This. I would be like "Get out of my way, cuddlemonster, I have koopas to kill and princesses to save"

ickleislands

and replace the models with trollface.jpg for those mobs

forget the princesses

I don't care about those

StrixVaria

2:25 PM

@agent86 I can pretty much steamroll Act 1 inferno at this point. It's only specific combinations that completely screw me over now.

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot If I can get them to hold still, it's not too bad. But good luck with that.

ickleislands

I didn't save Zelda

I killed Gammon

agent86

@StrixVaria lucky :(

ickleislands

Sure, there was a side effect of saving Zelda but I didn't care about that

fbueckert

@StrixVaria Ditto. Act 1 is easy mode now.

OrigamiRobot

2:26 PM

@StrixVaria What's your DPS?

StrixVaria

I equipped a stupid build yesterday to try it out in Act 1 and still had no difficulty.

@OrigamiRobot 17.5k.

ickleislands

I wizard tank act 1 on inferno

fbueckert

@agent86 Waller Jailer Health Link Reflects Damage.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria 22.5k here, but no shield

ickleislands

and get one shot in act 2

fbueckert

2:26 PM

Total cakewalk.

@OrigamiRobot ...I dual wield and only have 15K.

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert I have 2.2 Attacks per Second

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I have Andariel's Visage which makes up for my lack of off-hand weapon.

I do need to get my DPS up without sacrificing any defenses, though.

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot Going the attack speed route, eh? It's so expensive for gear with that.

StrixVaria

My HP is pretty bad (only 27k)

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria I want lidless wall so i can stop dual wielding

GnomeSlice

2:28 PM

WAH, Krater IS OUT.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot You are going to weep for days when they nerf Attack Speed in the upcoming patch.

Grace Note

Lidless Wall is back?

ickleislands

I have lidless on my wiz

yes

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert Nah, I found all my stuff myself, except for my rings

ickleislands

+IAS on a shield ty

Grace Note

2:28 PM

Huh. I guess I shouldn't actually be surprised, really

OrigamiRobot

2x 13% IAS +75 dex

ickleislands

stormshield is back too

no longer has 'monarch' on the name

but its still a stormshield none the less

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria I will be so sad

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot How much did those cost you?

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert 15k each

Grace Note

2:29 PM

Is the Blizzard Cannon still around?

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot Holy crap cheap.

StrixVaria

One of my rings is 88 dex 67 resist all. It's going to be tough to upgrade.

ickleislands

ye that will be

StrixVaria

The cheapest one I found that would have been an upgrade over that went for >1m

I bid like 850k on it but lost.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria I never find res all or Cold res :(

StrixVaria

2:31 PM

@OrigamiRobot I switched to poison res when someone gave me a +80 resist all +50 poison resist shield for free.

ickleislands

I have +resist all on at least half of my gear

Grace Note

Is Cold Resistance a much greater necessity than in D2?

StrixVaria

I had found some good poison resist bracers and shoulders too so it was an easy choice.

ickleislands

The problem is, I have some pieces of gear with +50 or 60 resist all and 'average' stats for everything else

StrixVaria

@GraceNote For monks, there's a passive that sets all resistances equal to your highest resistance.

So monks stack one resist, but it doesn't matter which.

ickleislands

2:31 PM

@GraceNote resistances are probably somewhat more important in general in D3

StrixVaria

Other than that, all of them are pretty much equally important.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria My reasoning is that Cold is the least important type for non-monks so it will be less desired

ickleislands

but as @StrixVaria says a couple of classes has boosts that can help them get there

Grace Note

Well, in D2, Fire and Lightning were the cornerstone of resistances. Cold and Poison could sometimes be a threat but you were under fire and lightning much more often.

StrixVaria

@GraceNote It's pretty evenly distributed now because there's one elite affix per damage type.

Poison and Cold are probably the least threatening, though.

OrigamiRobot

2:33 PM

@StrixVaria Plagued hits hard

ickleislands

plagued does hit hard

cold ... I can only think of one attack that does cold

StrixVaria

I can tank plague, but I can't tank molten or desecrator.

ickleislands

and its not something that is going to kill you if you play well

(Frozen orbs)

StrixVaria

Frozen does cold damage when it freezes you.

OrigamiRobot

Frozen freezes you. The end.

ickleislands

2:34 PM

Are there any other sources of cold damage?

Grace Note

Sounds like the greater threat of cold isn't the direct damage.

ickleislands

double freeze will kill you with bad resists

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Correct

GnomeSlice

Can anyone see the image located here? wallbase.cc/wallpaper/1766844 It's perfectly sfw. I can't get it to load...

ickleislands

since the second one does cold damage to you, rather than freezing you

StrixVaria

2:34 PM

@GraceNote Being unable to take actions for 3 seconds is bad.

ickleislands

what @OrigamiRobot @StrixVaria said

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice Seems perfectly SFW to me

ahsteele

This is probably already old hat but this post on Reddit about Civ II is pretty awesome

reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/uxpil/…

ickleislands

being unable to take actions for 1-2 seconds is usually fatal

GnomeSlice

It is.....

Can someone download it and re-post it in the chat, if it's not too much trouble? I really want the wallpaper.

OrigamiRobot

2:36 PM

@GnomeSlice It's space and triangles and circles. Is that what you were thinking?

skovacs1

does it not load for you from the redirect here?

Grace Note

I see, I see

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, it's the logo for The Glitch Mob, an electronic music group.

FAE

@skovacs1 503

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice Oh, nvm. I read "not perfectly sfw"

GnomeSlice

2:37 PM

@skovacs1 Nope. It started loading when I first visited the page, then I tried to view the image by itself and now it won't at all.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Can we swap jobs, I can't do 3D.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Understandable.

Grace Note

"Invulnerable Minions" sounds like it could be very annoying

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Me neither, hah. Also, which job is mine?

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Logo

GnomeSlice

2:37 PM

@GraceNote Not if they're your minions.

@RonanForman Did you see the one I posted in here yesterday that everyone actually liked?

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice IGNORE ME

GnomeSlice

It's not done.

StrixVaria

@GraceNote It really depends on the kind of monster.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice I did.

StrixVaria

Sometimes Invulnerable Minions is meaningless, and other times it means certain death.

skovacs1

2:38 PM

ickleislands

I see that chat wakes up dramatically at 3-30

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Not the one on the meta.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Then no.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Invulnerable Minions Molten Vortex Arcane Enchanted

GnomeSlice

@skovacs1 Whee, thanks!

StrixVaria

2:39 PM

@OrigamiRobot Invulnerable Minions Nightmarish Molten Fast

ickleislands

@OrigamiRobot /cry

StrixVaria

Nightmarish Invulnerable Minions is the most annoying thing.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Really basic idea, it's not a real draft of the logo.

Grace Note

Nightmarish?

ickleislands

fear you on hit

GnomeSlice

2:39 PM

@RonanForman But you're a much better artist than I. You could try doing one in that style?

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote makes you run away

ickleislands

chance to fear you on hit*

Grace Note

Wow. There's a lot more disables in D3 than in D2 (to which, there were none short of knockback)

ickleislands

yeah

Arcane Enhancement will leave you going WTF the first time you die to it

second time, third time, fourty seventh time

Especially in a corridor/enclosed space, with one in front of you and one behind

skovacs1

I haven't played D3 since some time last week. No internet while I was away for the weekend, computer issues Yesterday and presently down for maintenance. I'm feeling quite disappointed by this turn of events.

ickleislands

2:41 PM

D3 is down for maintenance?

like... "Again" ?

Ronan Forman

Arqade community

@ArqadeCommunity

0 tweets, 1 followers, following 5 users

Yi Jiang

The Asia server is down because they discovered an item replication exploit

Ronan Forman

Fredy suggested it

ickleislands

Oh I know about the duping of gold and items

Wasn't even remotely shocked when I heard about it either. I'm just disappointed they haven't released the real money auction house yet because it would have led to genuine egg-on-face all over Blizztivision

user15026

@RonanForman What is it going to be used for? :)

Ronan Forman

2:43 PM

@AshleyNunn Mainly youtube uploads and game on! notices.

user15026

@RonanForman Awesome.

skovacs1

ickleislands

which part of the world is PDT

GnomeSlice

KRATER

skovacs1

@ickleislands North America

FAE

2:45 PM

@ickleislands West coast of the US

ickleislands

Ah ok

OrigamiRobot

@skovacs1 The forums say 11am PDT :(

Ronan Forman

@AshleyNunn Awesome, I won't follow?

user15026

@RonanForman Awesome, I probably will. (If Twitter stops being incredibly broken for me)

skovacs1

@OrigamiRobot That's a screenshot from my game client just now. They could be lying to me. That wouldn't be a surprise. Estimating times for this sort of thing is understandably hard.

OrigamiRobot

2:47 PM

@skovacs1 I know, I'm just point out the discrepancy. I hope the in game news is right.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Unless you want a cartoon I'm not much help.

Either that or pixel art, I can do that.

skovacs1

@OrigamiRobot Just restarted my client :(

fbueckert

@skovacs1 Happily, I'm at work past that. So, it doesn't affect me!

Lazers

1

Q: What situations cause the turret to target your hero?

I am playing dota2 (100h+) and I still do not get what are the circumstances which lead to be targeted by the enemy turret. What causes the turret to attack the hero instead of the creeps?

dota-2

0

Q: Stat Priority for Monk/Barb in Inferno

I am wondering what sort of stats should I be focusing on for these melee classes to prepare them for act 1 & 2 of inferno? In addition, how much damage should I be doing? I've been reading this post about inferno barb, and I am wondering if it is still accurate with the latest patch. It st...

diablo-3 diablo-3-monk diablo-3-barbarian

fbueckert

@YiJiang Item replication exploit? Why haven't I heard of this before?

Yi Jiang

2:54 PM

@fbueckert eurogamer.net/articles/…

skovacs1

I'm going to go make cookies. All this (currently not playable) D3 discussion is making me want to play D3 (which is currently not playable if I hadn't mentioned that yet). Later all.

ickleislands

fml

@OrigamiRobot I'd go with your first comment on the stat priority question, think the question it links to has a fairly comprehensive answer

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Well Jin did say to go with a retro gaming motif. Try that!

Also, pixel art is aweeesome, where did you learn to do it?

fbueckert

@YiJiang Hmm. No real details. Well, whatever. As long as it gets fixed!

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Same place I learnt to draw cartoons.

The internet!

GnomeSlice