The Bridge - 2012-02-03 (page 5 of 5)

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10:00 PM

@agent86 maybe I'll look into Azure

@ArdaXi same. I don't run windows on servers or linux on desktops :)

Why do you do this to me? shivers

@agent86 I run Linux on a notebook. It's surprisingly manageable. I still wouldn't use it as my main OS yet though.

@ArdaXi I've probably said this before, but the real barrier for me is driver support. Server HW drivers for linux are pretty robust, but desktop drivers are usually hobbyist grade, which I just can't tolerate in a PC I'm using day-to-day.

@agent86 Actually, while that depends on your distribution of course, Ubuntu driver support is actually pretty solid.

I even managed a Debian netinst with a Broadcom Wi-Fi chip.

@ArdaXi it's getting better, for sure, but the hardware is a moving target. until PC/component manufacturers take linux seriously, it's always going to be a bit hit or miss, IMHO.

10:05 PM

They do, though. Even Nvidia and ATI make pretty good drivers these days.

@ArdaXi ehhhh, you can make that statement if you want. I worked for a couple of the "big names" in computer hardware in my career so far, and... let's say I didn't find a lot of evidence that they were all that interested in linux or linux driver support.

With the API I was thinking something for Win8 metro.

But there's nothing v2-specific in that.

@agent86 I'm not very familiar with the intrinsics, I'm going by user experience.

@badp yeah, you should just give up. I mean, at least until march. then, totally fine.

Meh, I have exams til mid march anyway

10:09 PM

@badp see? much better idea to wait. ahem.

best Android tether app?

0

Q: Is there a way to know which levels lead to secret areas/have switches in them?

I found my first level with a switch in it (Level 3-1), and it was pretty easy to see (I just had to figure out how to get to it). However, I suspect that this might not always be the case. Is there a way to know, ahead of starting a level, if it has a secret switch in it or not?

kirbys-adventure

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Q: Does having the Hi-Jump Copy Ability help with the end of level game?

I got the Hi-Jump ability near the end of a level, and promptly lost it. But that got me thinking - I often struggle with the end of level "game" - basically, a jump off of a trampoline type thing for points. I never get past the first few floors, so I never get many points. Does having the Hi-J...

kirbys-adventure

@NickT I use PDANet.

Free and doesn't require root.

Free version blocks HTTPS pages though.

But that's easy to get around by using a VPN.

@NickT Android.

It's had tethering built-in since... 2.2 or 2.3

@ArdaXi Rarely for free though.

10:18 PM

@John On my phone it is.

@ArdaXi You are one of the lucky few.

For me it would be $30 extra a month.

Honestly, PDANet is pretty crappy, given that you have to pay for free software.

@John I'm one of the Europeans, yes.

I wouldn't call us "few".

Also @NickT for connecting to Linux machines, I use EasyTether. I think that one's in the market.

@ArdaXi You're saying all Europeans get free tethering by default?

@ArdaXi Compared to the rest of the world...

FallenAngelEyes

@John I didn't know you had to pay extra for this

@John I'm saying I don't know any European carriers that charge for tethering.

@FallenAngelEyes Carriers modify Android to allow them to charge for it.

Which really means all you need to do is flash, which any competent Android user should do anyway.

Which reminds me, my JIG should've been here by now.

10:21 PM

@FallenAngelEyes Many people do. And I would have to if I wanted to use the built-in method.

FallenAngelEyes

Huh

@John Is there some public thing you can VPN to or do you need to use your home PC for that

I get both USB and Wi-Fi tethering in my factory Galaxy S2.

@NickT There's probably a few public things, but I just use one of my home machines.

yeah, tethering in the US is like pulling teeth.

10:23 PM

@ArdaXi Well then consider yourself lucky, but don't rub it in the face of the rest of the world.

@agent86 ^^this

I have a java-based phone, and it's been locked down so that I can only make HTTP connections. I could install other programs on it, but only if they do HTTP.

@John It's your own responsibility to flash your phone. Especially if you're using a US carrier, because then you can get rid of all the crapware.

@ArdaXi I believe the exemption in the law that keeps this from being illegal is up for renewal in the US...

@agent86 Do... do you care?

@ArdaXi Yeah...they try to make flashing hard also...

10:25 PM

would not surprise me if some really rich company with a vested interest cough apple cough ponied up big cash to make it illegal

@John So?

And of questionable legality.

You can make it hard. You can't make it impossible.

they monitor the traffic and will kill your contract in some cases.

They try to make it detectable, but that can be circumvented as well.

10:25 PM

so if you want your phone to work, yeah, I guess you should care :)

@agent86 Which is why you always use a VPN.

Seriously, who connects directly through 3G?

@ArdaXi not just the traffic, the bandwidth

@agent86 Well, yes, but that's just something you need to keep track of.

they'll send you nasty texts "your usage pattern looks like you're tethering" etc

@ArdaXi So you think.

10:26 PM

"stop or we'll charge you for the tethering service"

I've got a data plan, unfortunately.

@John So I know.

@ArdaXi Unless you work at a major phone carrier, I fail to see how this is possible.

@John I own the device, neh?

@ArdaXi But not the data traveling to and from it...

How are they supposed to figure out what I do with it?

@John I do, actually, because I own the code running on it.

10:28 PM

@ArdaXi By monitoring your data once it's on their network?

@ArdaXi You own every single website you've ever browsed from your phone?

@John My data, as far as they're concerned, is all non-discriminatory garbage.

AKA encrypted.

@Arda You have a very idealised idea of ownership.

@RonanForman It's the hacker way.

@ArdaXi They can still tell when you're using far more than you should be...

@John So can I. Like I said, I have a data plan.

So long as I stay within 1 GB a month, I'm fine.

10:30 PM

@Arda You're not a hacker, you're doing it to your own systems.

@ArdaXi That just means they don't care. That's a far cry from them not knowing.

@RonanForman You have a very wrong idea of hacking.

@RonanForman That's still hacking. Cracking would be doing it to other people's systems.

this freedom thing you guys have in europe, sure sounds nice. maybe sometime you could teach us how to have "rights" to the things we buy.

@John They know how much data I send out. Big whoop.

10:31 PM

@RonanForman Hacker usually means doing something that wasn't intended to be done with technology.

@Ullallulloo Basically, it amounts to using what you have in whatever way you want.

@ArdaXi It's funny how you defend a point, and then when you lose, you treat it as nothing important.

@John You were talking about them knowing what data I send out.

They don't.

@ArdaXi I was talking about them knowing how much data you send out.

They do.

They can't tell, by the amount of data I use, whether I tether.

10:32 PM

@John I always thought it was the other way round, as cracking seems like breaking the restrictions

@John It's annoying isn't it.

@RonanForman Well, just remember: Cracking = illegal

@RonanForman I have no idea what you're responding to, but yes.

How can they tell if I use my 1 GB a month with my phone or with my notebook?

@John Okay I'll just switch round the meanings.

And the nothing important thing.

@RonanForman Cracking is breaking stuff like DRM. Hacking encompasses the whole spectrum of using technology in innovative ways.

Alright, I'm done arguing with someone who sees the world through rose colored glasses. Enjoy your false sense of invincibiliy, @ArdaXi.

10:34 PM

@John I hardly do.

I just make sure I cover my tracks.

It's not perfect. I know everything I send unencrypted is logged and stored for a very long time.

@ArdaXi You can never be sure.

@John Not always, no.

I'm never 100% sure. I'll grant you that.

Mo matter how safe you think you are, there is always something, somewhere, that can find you out.

True.

@Arda That's the way round I thought, so breaking the DRM of the software is cracking.

10:35 PM

But for practical reasons, being 99% sure is usually enough.

@ArdaXi Usually, but 99% sure is still a world of peace-of-mind away from 100%.

@RonanForman Cracking isn't really a word used a lot any more. The idea many people have of hacking is called something like system/network penetration.

@John True, but so long as I trust my encryption method and I trust my endpoint, I can have peace-of-mind that nobody but the recipient can read my communication.

Which is especially the case if I own the software and hardware on both points.

Also what are the chances they will specifically persecute you out of all the people making knock offs and getting into their networks.

@RonanForman Slim, but not non-existent.

crashes through non existence

10:38 PM

@John What's the chance you'll be picked up randomly off the street as a suspected terrorist?

@Fredy metaphorically speaking.

@ArdaXi Again, slim but not non-existent.

Exactly. Makes no sense to worry about them.

@ArdaXi True, but that's not to say it couldn't happen.

I just make sure to do what I can to maintain every bit of freedom I can.

Those bits I can't protect, makes no sense to worry about them.

10:39 PM

Does anyone know of any good video capture software for ubuntu?

user2334

You might be a hacker, you might be a cracker, but the real question is: can you throw a logic bomb down a trap door with your RISC processor to save the garbage file?

@RonanForman For recording your desktop?

I've looked, but haven't gotten one to work yet.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@raven nice realizing you wrote a wrong answer in under 15 seconds. :P

@MarkTrapp The Secret Service will arrest people for making viruses?

@John Preferably minecraft, but seeing as I won't be doing anything apart from looking at a server desktop would be okay.

10:41 PM

@agent86 You're on the blog again...

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Exchange API V2.0 No Longer Beta

Posted by Kevin Montrose on February 3rd, 2012

We’ve spent the last month polishing V2.0 of the Stack Exchange API in a public beta, and I’m happy to announce its final release. Kudos to those who have reported bugs, and made quality suggestions during the beta.

At this point the interface to V2.0 is frozen, only bug fixes and performance improvements will be deployed until the next revision. As always, if you build on our platform we will support you so V2.0 will be around as long as it sees significant use.

You’ll find our revamped documentation portal at: …

Oh, 90s hacking fad.

@John He knows.

user2334

@John Only if they blow up your computer

@ArdaXi Just checking. No harm in telling him twice.

@John yep, the blog feed posted it a little while ago, thanks though :)

That guy's everywhere!

10:42 PM

@John True.

@MarkTrapp Oooooh.

@John I'm actually right behind you!

@John I think the directX is the part fraps records from.

1 hour ago, by agent86

@TheStackExchangeBlog holy crap! I got mentioned! woooooooooooo

don't look though, cause then I'd have to move, and I'm comfortable.

10:42 PM

@MarkTrapp Doable if you somehow manage to kill the temp sensor in the CPU.

FallenAngelEyes

@John I read the first comment and now I can't unsee a pokéball

Then you just shut off the fans and start a benchmark.

@agent86 looks at pile of stuff behind him; wonders how this can possibly be

@ArdaXi just need a virus in a bone fractal

@FallenAngelEyes Simple: Don't ready any more comments. :P

10:44 PM

@agent is just a bunch of scripts for googling, he could be a microdot behind you.

@RonanForman Yeah...Ubuntu doesn't have directX.

user2334

@John Side note: that scare tactic is still going strong

@John What is used to display minecraft then?

@MarkTrapp Wow...I thought we were done with that a long time ago...

@RonanForman Java?

Thats not what I meant...

10:46 PM

@RonanForman Well not DirectX, I'm fairly certain...

Not on Ubuntu, anyway.

@RonanForman Since I'm still not sure what you mean, I'm going to say OpenGL.

That may be it.

I'm 99% sure Minecraft uses OpenGL on every platform.

@RonanForman Apparently, ffmpeg can do it.

10:50 PM

@John He wasn't told twice though. He was only told once, by you. He didn't tell himself.

@Wipqozn So? There's still no harm in telling him twice, regardless of whether I did or not.

@John True.

I'm so awesome.

@Wipqozn You little stinker.

Apology Accepted.

I call non-sequiter!

@RonanForman No, it's perfectly "sequitur". Me and @Wipqozn are frenemies. What could be unexpected about that?

10:53 PM

@Wipqozn I had a feeling this was coming...

I mean you telling him once and then saying twice in the next sentence, they're not related, but you made them seem like they are.

@Wipqozn "♫ Yes we're. Frennnnnnnnnnnnnemies! ♪"

can't we all just agree that no matter how many times I've been told, I'm still awesome?

@RonanForman I'm not sure what you're saying...

@agent86 Everyone is awesome in their own special way.

10:55 PM

Ask @Arda to explain a non-sequitur, it's a debating thing.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@agent86 The correlation between awesomeness and it's communication to you is like a bell curve. Once you start hearing it too many times, it tends to stop being true.

@John all I heard was "awesome" and "special"

@RonanForman You just pinged Arda again.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

@RonanForman Non-sequitur, verb, Latin. Does not follow.

@agent86 Then seems to be all most people here.

@ArdaXi I got that part...

10:56 PM

@Arda in context…

Non sequitur (logic)

Non sequitur (Latin for "it does not follow"), in formal logic, is an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises. In a non sequitur, the conclusion could be either true or false, but the argument is fallacious because there is a disconnection between the premise and the conclusion. All formal fallacies are special cases of non sequitur. The term has special applicability in law, having a formal legal definition. Many types of known non sequitur argument forms have been classified into many different types of logical fallacies. Non sequitur in everyday speech ...

@LessPop_MoreFizz WAIT, WHAT? Have I already reached Peak Awesome? Do I need to start conserving?

@John "♫ We like disliking one another ♪"

@RonanForman Not really a debating thing, more of a logic thing. Which is still my area of expertise, but still.

@Wipqozn You copy+pasted my notes, didn't you?!

@Wipqozn "♫ We look good in hats! ♪"

10:59 PM

@John "♫ Long tails and spats ♪"

@John Maybe

I prefer to think you copied mine before I posted them.

For example: 20% of people are fat, 20% of people are criminals. It makes it seem like all fat people are criminals, but the two aren't related. Those facts are not accurate.

@Wipqozn Wibbly wobbly?

@ArdaXi Exactly.

@Wipqozn Everything is about ponies with you, isn't it?

@Wipqozn Inconceivable!

11:01 PM

0

Q: Why does Lydia prefer an Ebony helmet over a Dragonplate one?

I have made Lydia a full set of Dragonplate armor, however whenever I have her "pack mule" an ebony helmet, she equips the latter. Neither helmet has been smithed beyond their standard defensive values (26 and 25, respectively.) Why is this the case? Can I do anything about it?

skyrim npcs follower

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Q: What is Lydia's preferred armor loadout?

(Related to this question) what is the ideal set of armor for Lydia? I know she's a heavy armor kind of gal, but from the other question its obvious bigger isn't always better. Should I smith her armor so it is unequivocally better, or will she still prefer, e.g., an ebony helmet?

skyrim character-build npcs follower

@ArdaXi No.

IF we ever meet in RL @John, we should probably sing that song. Top hats and all.

@Wipqozn I'm game.

@Wipqozn How do you sing a top hat?

I'll need a top hat...

@John You don't have a top hat?

11:02 PM

@John Can I stop trying to explain now?

No, and yes.

Or yes and no.

I'd figure you'd be the classhole type.

@ArdaXi Sheesh thanks.</sarcasm>

It's a compliment!

I have no top hat.

11:03 PM

Well, you're not a classhole.

What's classhole from?

@RonanForman But this is just starting to get funny! :P

@RonanForman XKCD

Oh yeah.

Jan 20 at 0:40, by Arda Xi

A term coined by my friend Beth

That's starred every time I post it.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Yeah, I wanted to add back in how much better it was to use the Triage if you were a healer, then had to do a double take.

LessPop_MoreFizz

11:09 PM

@RavenDreamer Yeah, like I said in my answer, that may have been the intent at some point...

My mistake was not reading your answer before assuming you were wrong. :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

but either there's a bug causing it to not be the case, or they changed their mind on that being intended, and left the item in.

@ArdaXi removes star

Yay! Reverse psychology works!

@ArdaXi Fine, I'll star it th- waaait a minute here!

I see what you're doing.

Nice try sir.

11:11 PM

@Wipqozn I'm exclaiming my excitement for reverse psychology.

What does it look like I'm doing?

Couldn't resist. <.<

Settlers of Catan playing.

My god, this UI is horrible.

@Tristan Did you delete that yourself?

@Wipqozn I did.

For fear of being suspended. o.o

@Tristan Just curious.

@Tristan l o l

@Tristan feel free to repost it right quick

11:14 PM

I just recorded my desktop! \o/ For the second time ever! Oh @RonanForman! I found something!

Haven't tested it with MC yet though...

user image

@Wipqozn told me to! hides

@Tristan flags

@Tristan that @ArdaXi

Why'd that get you suspended? Oh... you used JPEG.

@ArdaXi brony hatred.

11:16 PM

I hate lossy compression. flags

@ArdaXi The artifacts! They buuuuuuuurn!

Exactly! It even covers up the hurt of brony.

@RavenDreamer Playing it on..xbox?

@Wipqozn playcatan.com

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@RavenDreamer I've played a spinoff of that. I loved it.

11:18 PM

@RavenDreamer <3

Interesting bit of trivia: Google Chrome refuses to install on Windows XP without any service packs.

Why is that starworthy? :P

@John What program did you use to record?

@RavenDreamer I starred it to bookmark it, essentially.

@RonanForman recordMyDesktop.

@Raven Because this is the bridge, everything is star worthy.

11:22 PM

Also known as "Desktop Recorder".

@John I'll check it out.

@RavenDreamer Settlers of CAtan is awesome. That is reason enough.

@Wipqozn ^^this

@Wipqozn I just registered.

Although, I've never played it in my life...

@Tristan It's turn based.

I'm not sure how to describe it better than that. :P

11:23 PM

@John As are all card and board games........ and most RPGs... >.>

You collect resources to build up your cities and roads...

@Tristan Then you should enjoy it.

I want to play a real time cardgame.

Pando Media Booster makes itself sound scary.

@RonanForman I challenge you to a game of speed.

Assuming that's the same game in the UK that it is over here.

@John It got me banned from my internets for a few hours. I had to uninstall it.

@Tristan Can you play LoL without it?

11:25 PM

I haven't played that in ages.

@RonanForman Me neither.

It's sort of turn based, but the turns are quite long.

2

Q: In Minecraft, how much damage does fire do?

Tried Googling it a bit, yet never found an answer. So, how much damage does fire do over time while not standing in it in Minecraft?

0

Q: Do those Gold Collectibles have a use?

I know finding 25%, 50% and 100% of them unlocks 3 achievements, but if I don't care about those, does collecting Gold Collectibles serve any purpose?

@RonanForman Not the version I play. :P

@Lazers heh, I asked that question for tf2.

@John I'm frantically trying to Remeber how to play.

11:27 PM

LoL DL: Y U B 2G & TAKE 4 HOURZ?!

@RonanForman Frantic. That describes this game quite well.

4 hours?! Mine didn't take that long and my packets have to cross an ocean.

@John Because it's going at 300 KB/s?

@RonanForman We can play Nertz instead if you want. that's a bit easier to Google. :P

Maths!

@John Because your internet's only 145 kbps?

11:28 PM

@RonanForman Fairly sure they have a European data centre, which you'll still use even if you sign up at NA.

@John Yeah, you can.

Oh there we go. 45 minutes. That's not so bad.

@Tristan What effects does uninstalling Pando have?

@John Your bandwidth usage goes way down.

@Arda I don't think so, as it takes less time if I switch to the eu one.

Pando is basically a Bittorrent implementation.

11:29 PM

@ArdaXi This @John

@RonanForman Hmm. I didn't notice anything.

@ArdaXi Then what's the upside to having it? Better DL speed?

Well with your Internet you wouldn't.

@John Less bandwidth costs for Riot Games.

@John There's really no benefit to you from having Pando installed...

11:31 PM

@ArdaXi Oooh.

Well then. I guess I may as well uninstall it once LoL finishes.

I was busy talking in here and @OrigamiRobot beat me to that Minecraft question!

:(

Now, do I want to play something else while it downloads and risk hanging my computer...

Mission accomplished guys. We're done here.

We don't need to distract @John any more.

@John While in the middle of a LoL match

@John The one about fire?

@OrigamiRobot Which I bet you're now losing.

@Tristan Yes.

But it doesn't matter, I'm not in a position to test that accurately enough right now anyway.

@John NOPE

11:36 PM

I like that

@OrigamiRobot Oh rly? Impressive.

@Wipqozn What? "NOPE"?

@John I am fully integrated with the site

> I don't have a Napoleon complex, Napoleon had a me complex!

@John No. This ^

@OrigamiRobot Especially with that new API update. You and the servers must be buds by now.

11:37 PM

@Wipqozn Next time, say what you like before saying that you like it.

@John this is more confusing though.

Reviewing Case for:
"Demons101"

They are calling me a noob the whole time when i was doing better then them and they were both feeding
Verbal Abuse

I want to be able to comment back, "no, you're a whiny-ass bitch"

@Wipqozn I lol'ed

@RavenDreamer And you're reposting this because...?

@John Because I fail at copy + paste

@John What was it?

11:39 PM

@Tristan The video @Wipqozn just posted.

@John lol

You know, if you want to take credit for posting that funny video you're welcome to @RavenDreamer...

@Wipqozn Did he post it before you did?! Scandalous!

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Q: What is Lydia's preferred armor loadout?

(Related to this question) what is the ideal set of armor for Lydia? I know she's a heavy armor kind of gal, but from the other question its obvious bigger isn't always better. Should I smith her armor so it is unequivocally better, or will she still prefer, e.g., an ebony helmet?

skyrim character-build npcs follower

This seems like too many tags to me, but which ones should go?

Everytime someone talks about LoL my brain automatically puts it at the end. And it makes it seem like they think it's funny.

11:42 PM

@RonanForman LoL!

@Dave all but skyrim really.

For example: I was playing LoL earlier and it crashed.

@RonanForman, Skyrim has enough questions that there might be grudging acceptance of extra tags ... I just don't watch Skyrim questions enough to know how that's being applied.

you know what really does bother me about API v2?

not that I necessarily support additional tags.

You can read your inbox and see what's new

but you cannot mark items as read

There must be a workaround.

11:45 PM

Why is it a problem?

uh... you see 1 unread notification

you open the box, see the notification

you close it

you still see 1 unread notification

you must hit the site and open the inbox there to mark it as read.

Reviewing Case for:
"Boer"
"had no sense of safety and kept running into dangerous zones where enemies were present"

Oh i thought you meant you couldnt make scripts that mark things as read.

@NickT sounds like me!

@NickT Doing the Tribunal?

11:48 PM

@RonanForman You can't.

You can't mark things as read without visiting the site.

You can look at new stuff through scripts, but your scripts will always tell you it's still new.

0

Q: If I die another dimesion, will the 2minute clock start while i am in the overworld?

I was recently hit by a fireball and knocked off the edge of my platform in the nether. I fell on a island, and my items are still there. If I stay in the overworld for longer than two minutes, will my items disappear? Similarly, will this happen in The End?

minecraft minecraft-end

Can you mark notification about SO questions as read from gaming?

If so then I just misunderstood what @badp said.

@RonanForman Yes

You have one global inbox for all of your accounts

Oh okay, that explains it, although I can see why you can't edit the inbox through API.

so you can get a mixture of chat events, SO replies, MSO comments, MGaming answers, SciFi bounty reminders...

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