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GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
6:00 PM
@RonanForman What do you mean 'what's with the sounds'?
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@GnomeSlice It's quite blurry.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman You can try, but you'll need to re-import it into after effects...
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Lazers I think the real problem here is why someone would be using IE in the first place.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman What about the sounds?
 
robjb
robjb
@Wipqozn Ferrealz, obv IE8 is the bug.
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FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
6:02 PM
So based on the comments in Jeff's answer it looks he supports game-specific tagging for subcategories for games that have 500+ questions. Please to be adding your feedback, if you have any.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@FallenAngelEyes oh what
I didn't even notice he posted that
 
robjb
robjb
@badp Trying MapsGL in a different browser than before?
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
He said that for the more popular games, he prefers the tagging to be more granular
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
You simply can't use [spellcasting] as a good example of a game-specific sub-tag because it's actually worse than weapons. It's almost as bad as [magic]
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman What were you saying about the sounds?
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
6:07 PM
They're weird.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
I only ended up using three of them.
@RonanForman Anyway, all you need to do for the various games of Game On! is change the text of 'game label' in the after effects project file, and re-render it.
 
Fabian
Fabian
I actually agree with Jeff that the tags should use the appropriate nomenclature of the games
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@GraceNote Hence the call to feedback, I'm sure others can voice their issues more eloquently than I can. I'm still processing this, as I'm very surprised to hear that he prefers higher granularity.
 
Fabian
Fabian
It messes with our tag system, leads to seemingly duplicate tags, but those tags are only useful as subtags of a game anyway.
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman if after rendering, it doesn't play properly in your local media player, it's probably still fine, it does that for me too.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
6:09 PM
@Fabian But how are we going to prevent people from using these tags in other games if they're shared terms?
 
Mana
Mana
We have newcomers?!
 
David B
David B
fresh from skyrim
 
Fabian
Fabian
@FallenAngelEyes We don't, if the names of the concept are the same between different games they use the same tag, if it's named differently they use different tags. It makes tag wikis useless, but nobody looks at those anyway (in my biased, very subjective opinion)
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
Whether or not they're prefixed by the game or not, it doesn't change this so-called opposition everyone has to "It can't be the only tag on the question" and "No one would search or be an expert on just that". I think that getting the most out of sub-tags with a wider breadth serves us far greater than multiplying our tag base to accomodate individual games.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@GraceNote Hrm, should this be a new meta post then, or perhaps a new answer to @Oak's questions?
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
6:12 PM
Just the concept of splitting "boss-fights" into game-specific nodes frightens me
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Mana How was MLG?
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@Fabian I look at tag wikis :(
@GraceNote It seems to me like increasing granularity goes against what I thought some of the goals here were, namely lessening the number of tags we have.
 
Mana
Mana
@Wipqozn Awesome. A 16 year-old Korean Zerg beat Naniwa in the finals, who looked absolutely unstoppable up to that point.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@Mana Hi Mana!
 
Fabian
Fabian
We're using the tag system in a way it wasn't designed for, no matter how we do it the results will be somewhat awkward.
 
Mana
Mana
6:13 PM
@FallenAngelEyes Hi!
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Mana Jesus christ
link to the match @Mana?
May make a point to watch when I have time
 
Mana
Mana
uhhh
I think you need to pay to get access to the VODs
this is why YOU SHOULD HAVE WATCHED THE DAMN THING INSTEAD OF PLAYING ZELDA. ARGH.
slaps Wipqozn with a dead trout
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@Mana Well, duh.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@Mana Zelda > Everything else (even your mom! BAM!"
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Mana
Mana
@GnomeSlice Nonono, this is in a tournament with a bunch of other Korean players
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
6:15 PM
Oh.
 
Fabian
Fabian
Or we could go back to my original idea from a while back and just don't use any tags except for game tags.
 
badp
badp
@FallenAngelEyes I don't care about the number of tags, but I do care about their size and whether or not they can shadow real game tags
 
bwarner
bwarner
@GraceNote But reusing the same sub-tags for multiple games makes it possible (likely even) that those sub-tags have more questions than the game, which causes problems again.
 
badp
badp
skyrim-weapons can never shadow other game tags
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman How's it going?
@badp Ew, why do we want a tag like that?
 
Fabian
Fabian
6:16 PM
The problem with reusing is that the tags will be more abstract, therefore less likely to be used to tag and less likely to be used to refine a search.
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@GnomeSlice Done the coins and the heart. Why are there two texts?
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@badp @Grace brings up the point though in the comments that the 25 character limit is going to bite us in the ass here
 
Fabian
Fabian
@badp I'm absolutely no fan of prefix-tags, they're only more noisy
 
bwarner
bwarner
@FallenAngelEyes I agree. Are we going to have to police that sub-tags don't get used on games that don't have enough questions to support them?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman Oh, are you talking about photoshop?
 
badp
badp
6:17 PM
The games large enough to support game tags (I put the bar at 100 questions) are few and far between
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@GnomeSlice Yeah.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@badp Jeff's bar was 500
 
badp
badp
so "sc2-" as a prefix wouldn't get in the way, although we can't use a sc2 tag
 
bwarner
bwarner
@Fabian Yah, I really dislike the idea of subtags with the game name in them, ala minecraft-redstone
 
badp
badp
@FallenAngelEyes 500 is a bit too many questions to go back and retag
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
6:18 PM
@badp Yeah, @Ullallulloo commented and asked about that as well
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@bwarner Which I think that is something we can handle in other ways, seeing as we would like a lot more than just priority when it comes to important game tags
 
Fabian
Fabian
@badp I'd put it even higher, I'd say Minecraft, SC2 and Skyrim could really benefit from more tags, the rest would be fine as it is
 
bwarner
bwarner
@badp I bet we could get in done in a day if we worked together.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman One of them isn't rasterized.
 
badp
badp
6:18 PM
@bwarner no one can use the site for that day
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
In case you want to use it for other events as well.
So you can edit the text directly.
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@FallenAngelEyes Would be better to have a good grip on our stance than to just blindly throw our commentary in there
 
bwarner
bwarner
@badp Why, because all the questions on the front page are about Skyrim? Wouldn't that be unusual...
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@GraceNote We're ah, not exactly known for solidified consensus.
 
badp
badp
@bwarner That is new content. New questions in need of new answers
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
6:19 PM
@FallenAngelEyes I didn't say consensus for a reason
 
badp
badp
If we did a field day of mass retagging, then new questions asked during that day would only stand a chance thanks to Mr. Spambot Lazers
 
Fabian
Fabian
If we have really clear rules on tags I think we can solve the misuse problem. We have shown with the Skyrim release that we can deal with quite a lot of new users that aren't familiar with the system
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@GnomeSlice If you edit the text does it change the other part?
 
badp
badp
and everything else (new answers, new edits) would be just drowned in the flurry of retagging
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@Fabian Agreed
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
6:20 PM
@RonanForman In photoshop? Which 'other part'?
 
bwarner
bwarner
@badp So for one day, people that don't know how to use gaming.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=newest are lost. That seems like a reasonable price to pay to get good subdivision on the Skyrim questions.
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@GnomeSlice The text you can see.
 
badp
badp
@bwarner Define "don't know how to use"
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@Fabian not an answer not an answer not an answer
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@bwarner And then we'd have to repeat this practice with each new popular game
 
bwarner
bwarner
6:21 PM
@badp Either "Don't know it exists" or "Don't know how to access it"
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman No, why would it? Photoshop doesn't work that way.
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
Having continual "site outages" when we're hit by better traffic is bad
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@GnomeSlice Then why are there two?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
Anyway, can you render out the after effects file, and see if it plays on your machine properly?
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
Well it wont as I'm missing some effects.
 
badp
badp
6:22 PM
going from 500 questions to 100 question games adds civ5-, df-, wow-, lol-, tf2-, fonv- witcher2-portal2-, codbo-, dxhr-, terraria-, bf3-
 
Ullallulloo
Ullallulloo
What cons are there with just tagging most questions with sub-tags in case they get big?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman The visible one is a smart object. That means you can't take the text tool and change the text. If you wanted to write say 'BLOG POST' instead of 'GAME ON' you can change the text layer and make it visible instead.
I used a smart object to resize it with the effects, remember?
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
The only way we could do mass tag edits without being able to do silent tagging is if we had users going through editing new questions to ensure they don't get drowned.
 
bwarner
bwarner
@Ullallulloo Basically that's what we were doing, and the game tags would lose to the sub-tags that could be applied to lots of different games
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@GnomeSlice Oh yeah.
 
badp
badp
6:23 PM
@bwarner They don't have a problem, unless they're providing a new answer
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@Ullallulloo Without a concrete system to start with, how would we know what subtags to use?
 
GnomeSlice
GnomeSlice
@RonanForman CC Ball is one of the built in effects.
 
Ullallulloo
Ullallulloo
@bwarner That would still happen on even big games though.
 
badp
badp
The problem is entirely ours: we're giving up control on anything on the site during the hours of mass retagging
 
bwarner
bwarner
@Ullallulloo Agreed, I raised that concern a few minutes ago too.
 
badp
badp
6:23 PM
if somebody takes the opportunity wandalizes stuff, it'll be much harder to spot
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@GnomeSlice Downloading it now
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@badp It just feels like an ugly, ugly solution to me
 
Fabian
Fabian
@GraceNote One meta post per game, discussing a sensible scheme
 
badp
badp
@FallenAngelEyes Would you use the weapons tag on a question you just made the game tag for?
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@Fabian That seems a little excessive with the pre-emptitive creation
 
badp
badp
6:24 PM
or the spellcasting tag or the boss-fights tag
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@GraceNote Arguably the front page shouldn't allow itself to be completely saturated by questions belonging to a single tag, but I also suppose if the tag is really that popular (ignoring the mass-retag case) then perhaps that doesn't make sense..
 
badp
badp
aren't they already practically reserved for the bigger games?
 
Fabian
Fabian
@GraceNote That was if we stay at "only for games with 500+ questions"
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@Fabian My note was in response to Ullallulloo's suggestion of "Why not pre-emptitively sub-tag them so we don't need a mass-retag"
 
badp
badp
@TimStone I can already see it. "We're sorry, we're not accepting new questions tagged [skyrim] today. Come back tomorrow"
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
6:25 PM
@badp I have in the past used the larger tags like spoiler and dlc on new games and tried to get around the issue by stating the game name in a natural manner in the question title
 
bwarner
bwarner
So either we sub-tag first, and then remove them if the game doesn't reach critical mass, or we sub-tag after, and we run into issues with having lots of edits. The latter seems like an easier problem to solve to me.
 
badp
badp
@FallenAngelEyes then your game tag gets purged and we never notice because the question didn't become untagged
 
bwarner
bwarner
@FallenAngelEyes But that only works because you know to do it. Most users wouldn't.
 
Fabian
Fabian
If we only subtag later, we can remove the second tag from the HTML title again
 
badp
badp
but merely spoiler or dlc
 
agent86
agent86
6:27 PM
soooo much tag drama :|
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@badp That's why I try to keep an eye on my own questions
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@agent86 Indeed, welcome to gaming! Tags are our number 1 source of drama
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@bwarner Yeah, I know. Again, not an ideal solution, but the best I could do given circumstances.
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@badp This is something else I'd like to see hand-in-hand with special Game tags
 
badp
badp
@agent86 Drama? This is meta discussion
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
6:27 PM
@badp You know that's not what I mean, obviously we'd put up a paywall so people could get their questions in if they really wanted to. (But I really just meant that the question selection algorithm could be adapted to ensure some level of variety)
 
bwarner
bwarner
I still think that the concept of a tag that is more important is not just a Gaming thing, it seems like a number of sites could benefit.
 
badp
badp
THERE ARE ONE HUNDRED WAAAYS TO TAG A QUESTION. ONE HUNDRED LOVELY WAAAAAAAAYS.
 
Ullallulloo
Ullallulloo
@GraceNote ^this, I don't see any good solution without those.
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
We need the tag reaping script to clear out the tons of supra-junk tags, but it really is nothing but harmful to game titles. Everything else it is excellent.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
Hey @AnnaLear! I hear you're blue now, congratulations!
 
bwarner
bwarner
6:28 PM
Board & Card Games, Sci-Fi, anything where the subject matter has a long tail of individual subject areas.
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@FallenAngelEyes She was blue before.
 
badp
badp
@FallenAngelEyes She was already blue in Programmers, but now she really does have a serious case of the blues
 
Anna Lear
Anna Lear
@FallenAngelEyes I'm even more blue. :) Thanks!
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@Wipqozn Well, I meant blue again
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@FallenAngelEyes Again? Do you mean she stopped being blue for awhile?
Also, congrats @AnnaLear
 
Anna Lear
Anna Lear
6:29 PM
MOAR BLUE
BLUE ALL THE THINGS
 
badp
badp
ONE HUNDRED LOVING WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYS
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@AnnaLear also apparently your cat is very interested in something high up
@bwarner I agree
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
Have you considered becoming a singer @badp?
 
David B
David B
why do we need good subdivision by tags on skyrim questions?
 
Anna Lear
Anna Lear
@Wipqozn Thanks!
 
badp
badp
6:30 PM
@FallenAngelEyes uh... you mean she isn't the cat?
I thought the human was just decoration and food when needed
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@DavidB Because there's 625+ and clicking on skyrim brings you to a horribly unwieldy list
 
bwarner
bwarner
@DavidB The idea is that if you want to come here to learn about Skyrim, you can find questions broken up by topic.
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
@GnomeSlice Why do you suck at resizing?
 
Anna Lear
Anna Lear
@FallenAngelEyes She usually is. Humans are nothing but launchpads on the way to better, higher places.
 
David B
David B
if you want to learn, sort by votes. if you want to answer, sort by newest or unanswered. wieldty to me
 
bwarner
bwarner
6:31 PM
@DavidB It isn't necessary if you only want a specific answer, but part of the fun of the site is finding all the answers to the questions you hadn't thought to ask yet.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@AnnaLear hahaha
 
agent86
agent86
@badp perhaps drama is a strong word. can't think of a better one though :)
 
David B
David B
@bwarne wouldn't a search term work equally as well as a tag?
 
Ullallulloo
Ullallulloo
@DavidB Someone might never use the word weapon though, they might only use the word "bow" or "sword".
 
David B
David B
searcher is likely to use the same word as asker.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
6:33 PM
@DavidB the search engine apparently kind of sucks
 
bwarner
bwarner
@DavidB Let's say you wanted to know everything you could about the stealth/stealing aspects of Skyrim. What search term would you use?
 
David B
David B
@FallenAngelEyes ah, yeah I can confirm that from SO.
I would use skyrim, and then search for pickpocking or avoiding mobs or line of sight or stealth skill or any number of other search terms
those shouldn't all be tags
 
badp
badp
Well... this took me by surprise http://bit.ly/vZ7F3E AUTUMN SALE STARTS NOW!
Tweeted by juanformoso on November 23, 2011 at 6:33 PM
 
bwarner
bwarner
@DavidB Or you could find one question, notice that it is tagged "Skyrim" and "Crime", search on those tags, and find everything without having to try to dream up every possible search term.
 
badp
badp
Today's Daily Deals include:
Portal 2
Call of Duty: Black Ops
Mass Effect franchise
Duke Nukem Forever
Test Drive Unlimited 2
Risen
Renegade Ops
Sam & Max franchise
Men of War franchise
Oddworld franchise
Orcs Must Die!
all Dejobaan titles including the just released AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! for the Awesome
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
6:37 PM
Or just look at skyrim, and check out the cool list of "Related tags" on the right sidebar that show you all the subcategories we have tagged
 
David B
David B
this is the internet - one of the core skills of its use is dreaming up search terms :)
 
agent86
agent86
@badp a thanksgiving sale? on steam? NO WAY.
 
badp
badp
@agent86 It's an "autumn" sale :P
 
agent86
agent86
yesterday, by agent86
@badp re: steam sale, almost 100% they're going to run a BIG sale this week
and you people doubted me. pah.
 
badp
badp
I remember I remember
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
6:39 PM
@badp I've never played any Sam & Max. Would you recommend?
 
agent86
agent86
PAH I SAY
 
badp
badp
@FallenAngelEyes I also haven't
 
agent86
agent86
@FallenAngelEyes Sam & Max is pretty decent.
 
badp
badp
but if you do make sure you go back in time and preorder it
 
bwarner
bwarner
@DavidB Which is why we're making the internet better by not requiring that skill. =)
 
agent86
agent86
6:39 PM
I played the Lucasarts original, and some of the eps of the current. Defn. some of TellTale's better work.
 
badp
badp
bloody severed heads
 
agent86
agent86
@FallenAngelEyes if you like crazy humor, and point/click adventure games, it's solid.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
Okay the Aaaaaa one is apparently just a re-release of Reckless Disregard for Gravity with more stuff
@agent86 I do, and I enjoyed Telltale's Strongbad stuff
 
agent86
agent86
@FallenAngelEyes Go get it then. S&M is a solid crime fighting duo.
 
Ronan Forman
Ronan Forman
Awww... @GnomeSlice has left.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
6:41 PM
@agent86 I do not parse that acronym as relating to point and click adventure games, but thanks for the advice!
 
agent86
agent86
@FallenAngelEyes ambiguity intended :)
 
David B
David B
so, skyrimcrime gives me 18 questions fairly well organized. skyrim search word "crime" gives me 6 questions, mostly nothing to do with crime.
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
I can't believe we only have a single question about a boss fight in a Zelda game
 
bwarner
bwarner
I can't in good conscience buy new games right now, knowing that I still have 100+ hours of Skyrim to go. They'll probably be even cheaper in the post-Christmas sale.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
Argh, I really shouldn't make my Steam library larger...
 
David B
David B
6:42 PM
why are we talking about tags when we should be complaining about search!
4
 
badp
badp
@GraceNote gamefaqs does have them all already covered
 
agent86
agent86
@FallenAngelEyes size doesn't matter, although bigger is better.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@agent86 250~ games already though...
 
badp
badp
Now, I was inches away asking a boss-fight question about the mothership you fight midway Serious Sam 3
 
agent86
agent86
@DavidB This. It's my stance that features solve problems. Is the feature solving the problem it was intended to solve? No? Then fix the feature or remove it in favor of a better one.
 
badp
badp
6:44 PM
then I noticed you can get hints via middle clicking
it's not really obvious but also not hidden enough for a question I imagine?
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@DavidB I really like the Related Tags sidebar functionality, myself. It also avoids the fact that you can ask a lot of questions about similar concepts without sharing any words between them.
 
agent86
agent86
@badp Handy. How'd you figure that out?
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
Tags gives the ability to group like questions that can't be otherwise grouped by search without hackneying stupid keyword terminology or otherwise into the post... which, hey, if we're using keywords, we have tags
 
badp
badp
@agent86 The game tells you earlier in the game to middle click to fire up... er... the computerized hint thingy
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@GraceNote I never even realized how it worked until like, 2 days ago
 
badp
badp
6:46 PM
typically you only get hints about a class of enemies after you take one of them down, this was an exception.
 
David B
David B
seems like tags are working (at least in this case). if search looked at the tags for keywords, it would work too
 
Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
badp has stopped a feed from being posted into this room
 
Powerlord
Powerlord
@GraceNote Most Zelda boss fights use the latest item you found to beat them.
Man, I butchered that sentence the first try.
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
 
bwarner
bwarner
@DavidB No, there should be a lot more than 18 I would guess. So tags aren't entirely working, because we can't agree on how to use them consistently.
 
David B
David B
6:47 PM
I'll start using related tags more, and see how it works for me
 
agent86
agent86
@GraceNote I think they'll work better once a coherent system is developed for properly applying them, assuming people moderating the tags (not just moderators, but power users as well) are willing to invest the effort. It feels a little ad-hoc at this point, and I think we're running into a lot of ad-hoc problems (with associated ad-hoc solutions) as a result.
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
@agent86 I'd love to work on a more concrete solution. We have been hammering at things for a while, as it were.
 
agent86
agent86
having the discussions that are going on now is an important part of this, I suppose. I wish it weren't as painful as it has been. (pain being relative, clearly)
 
David B
David B
I think this is one mess where it becomes clearer how to organize it when there's more to be organized.
 
agent86
agent86
@GraceNote I applaud the efforts; I think progress is being made.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
6:49 PM
@agent86 You weren't here for the Great Game Rec Wars of 2010
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
I think the introduction of Skyrim actually helped a lot because it gives us a better view of an actual meaningful selection of subdivisions within a single game
 
bwarner
bwarner
@agent86 Yah, we've been making incremental progress, but as the site grows I think the answers sometimes have to change with it.
 
Grace Note
Grace Note
Rather than our previously blind mucking about and theorymongering.
 
badp
badp
UT3 is $5 if you're interested
 
agent86
agent86
I haven't steeped myself in the problem or the possible solutions enough to give a concrete opinion on the subject.
 
badp
badp
6:50 PM
(all the other Unreal games are also discounted)
 
agent86
agent86
so for the most part I'm just watching the festivities :)
 
badp
badp
Hammerfight's €.5
 
agent86
agent86
I think part of the problem too is that we're not the implementors, nor the experts on the technology/architecture. What's feasible isn't really in our area of expertise.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
Hrm, Oddworld pack for only €3.74
Is it bad that I hate the Steam store for using "indie," "casual," and "family" for genres?
 
bwarner
bwarner
@FallenAngelEyes Are you saying Steam needs better tagging?
3
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
6:53 PM
@FallenAngelEyes not at all
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@bwarner It does. It does indeed.
 
robjb
robjb
@badp I'm surprised they can get $5 for it -- Epic has shown they don't care much about Unreal anymore.
 
badp
badp
@robjb The regular price is still €19
 
agent86
agent86
I'm hoping for a good deal on Dreadmoar or however you spell that.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@agent86 Dungeons of Dredmor?
 
badp
badp
6:54 PM
anwyay, their gfx engine gets like 5 FPS from my GPU
 
robjb
robjb
@badp At peak hours you can usually find about 30 players online in UT3.
 
badp
badp
@robjb I can imagine, with that price tag
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@robjb friend and I wanted to play co-op campaign together and never managed to connect
 
badp
badp
 
robjb
robjb
They released it with bugs and didn't bother addressing user complaints.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
6:55 PM
maybe a good question for here, hrm
 
robjb
robjb
They stopped patching extremely early compared to other releases
And campaign was a joke
 
agent86
agent86
@FallenAngelEyes Sounds plausable.
 
badp
badp
ehh.... if you buy a game such as UT for the SP you're a tool
 
robjb
robjb
Not to mention that half of the promised improvements / features were not included and never spoken of again.
@badp True, but at least the tournament in the original was fun.
UT3's SP wasn't even worth including in the game
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@robjb UTC3 wasn't even worth including in the game.
IT was stripped down and inferior version of UT2004
 
robjb
robjb
6:58 PM
Eh?
No it wasn't, it was a hark back to the original
The gameplay was good and enjoyed by old-school UT players.
It was just bugged.
 
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
@robjb Yeah, but for playing co-op FPS, there weren't a lot of other options at the time that I and my b/f found fun
 
Wipqozn
Wipqozn
@robjb From what I remember they removed a lot of the game mods from UT2004
I could be confusing it with another game though
 
robjb
robjb
The point I'm making is that it's not a sequel to UT2004.
It was attempt to go back to the more grounded feel of UT
 
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