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Mana

00:00

@Jin November 18th....!!!

Jin

@Mana what's 11/18?

Mana

@Jin PC release date of AC

Jin

@Mana i wish i had a good gaming PC now... then i'd be buying BF3 for PC instead of X360

GnomeSlice

It's time for you Xbox 360 gamers to test your mettle! Face off against the Duke Nukem Forever devs: http://2kgam.es/w4pH4p

Tweeted by 2KGames on October 25, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Although I doubt anyone is interested.

Wipqozn

@Mana AC?

GnomeSlice

00:33

Guess the Web Browser

I'm thinking this is an alternative to Xonotic.

►

Supposedly not dead.

And with very robust editing.

Grace Note

00:51

Sauerbraten?

That was talked about many months ago. Actually, probably about a year ago

GnomeSlice

Yeah, I'd played it.

Looks like it's been updated or something.

Looks better than I remember.

John

01:05

Can people I'm ignoring still ping me and generate inbox notifications?

badp

@GraceNote has grants' round 8 finished?

Nick T

Bellamy salute

The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". During the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazis adopted salutes which were similar in form, resulting in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress officially amended the Flag Code on 22 December 1942. The inventor of the saluting g...

Your history lesson for the day.

@Jin think I could ask on SF.SE what episode that last picture is from?

GnomeSlice

01:22

Wow

Relevant Article.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Raaaaaage.

GnomeSlice

?

LessPop_MoreFizz

That's not the ESB.

It's the Chrysler Building.

ESB on left, Chrysler on right.

The Chrysler Building is slightly shorter, but far far prettier.

(though it does lack any sort of observation deck, and thus is not useful as a tourist attraction. It also does not get lit up in a variety of colors, for both better and worse.)

Nick T

@LessPop_MoreFizz that could have been automatically tagged; I think that's what it looks like from the ESB

I don't know much about the facebook fields

LessPop_MoreFizz

@NickT No it isn't. Note the one way sign - that's a ground level photo.

Nick T

01:35

yeah, it's pretty close though...

it's like to the east, right?

uptown and east a few blocks

GnomeSlice

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@NickT Yeah, it's sufficiently diagonal that you wouldn't have a view like that

The Metlife building and GCT would block the view if nothing else.

Nick T

woot

I found the one-way sign in that pic

maps.google.com/…

so probably where it was from as well

LessPop_MoreFizz

@NickT Eh, not neccesarily. It could be basically any cross street along Lexington or 42nd.

Basically every single street in Manhattan is one way.

Nick T

pretty sure it's that one

the building's parallax match, the light above it, etc

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01:45

@NickT It could very well be.

Raven Dreamer

@GnomeSlice What's that second one? I mean, it's all shiny like... ooooooooooooooh.

Nick T

I don't know some guy's title (Mr/Dr), what's the safe choice?

Raven Dreamer

@Mana SooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

@Mana then my question becomes: "NOW WHAT?!"

GnomeSlice

@RavenDreamer Chrome.

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@NickT Mr. is fine generally. Even if he's a Dr. he's still also a Mr.

GnomeSlice

01:47

FoxChromeOperaSafariToilet

Nick T

I like how LoL censors chat in the matchmaking client but not in-game

I guess that's the meta-game

cuss your teammates/opponnets out all day

GnomeSlice

Something is up with my internet.

=[

badp

02:20

Reading an Ars thread about Microsoft v Android patent licensing

pretty much everyone claims that Android is an iOS ripoff

and no one's disputing the claim

...am I missing something?

LessPop_MoreFizz

02:35

@badp It's true. Android is very very very heavily indebted to iOS.

random.andrewwarner.com/…

I mean, just look at what happened to Android in the space of a year after the iPhone came out.

It's pretty hard to argue that it isn't heavily indebted to iOS. iOS radically changed the way we envision and use smartphones.

badp

So yeah, they removed the keyboard from the phone.

One thing is drawing inspiration, another things is claiming "rip off"

LessPop_MoreFizz

It's not just the removal of the keyboard.

the whole UI paradigm changed.

GnomeSlice

@LessPop_MoreFizz Relevant.

badp

oh did it? so Android has scrapped its front screen and defaults to the flat listing of applications always

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@badp engadget.com/photos/a-visual-tour-of-androids-ui/#484250

It's pretty hard to argue that Android doesn't go from that to what it is today without iOS.

Yes, Android does a lot of things differently, but it does enough things similarly that to say it's not heavily indebted is foolish.

GnomeSlice

02:39

@badp Wait, they do?

No widgets/ customisable home screen any more?

badp

@GnomeSlice I was being sarcastic

GnomeSlice

Oh.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Whether it's indebted to an infringing degree is another matter and one for the courts, but I'd say it's pretty much the height of apologist denial to claim that the original iPhone didn't radically change the direction of Androids development.

GnomeSlice

Did you guys read my relevant link?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GnomeSlice Samsung Galaxy line not included in list. List is flawed.

GnomeSlice

02:40

The A88 amuses me to no end.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz What did you expect? To ignore what others were doing and continue sleepishly?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Never said that either.

But it's hard to argue that Android is any less derived from iOS than Windows 95 was from Mac OS. And we all know how that one eventually went down.

badp

The only real paradigm change I see in before and later is the way they handle the 'context menu', and even that is today pretty similar to what it was then from what I understand

tbh, if there's a shift, it's only hardware wise. Everything else is "just" the matter that you can only do things in a few non gimmicky ways. Unless you're going to claim that every application that does grid view of icons is ripping of Xerox or whatever.

for example, if you're going to claim that GNOME 3 ripped off the way Mac OS X does modal dialogs, you wouldn't get an argument from me.

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@badp I'd say the shift to a Touch centric UI, rather than the app tray you see in those early android prototypes is pretty damned notable.

GnomeSlice

@badp I DID NOT.

badp

02:46

...but I also get to claim that OS X Lion "stole" the scrollbars from Ubuntu.

@LessPop_MoreFizz I still see that as a hardware restriction tbh. Apple showed the world that there was the hardware to do that, and they also did so. However, they didn't copy. They merely adapted.

The pre-iOS android had the home, back, search, etc. buttons. AFAIK Android still has them.

And Windows is now "copying" them with Charms. (not really, perhaps only search)

At any rate, call me apologist; I really see no ground to claim ripoff.

You could claim the previous version of Android "ripped off" Symbian. That claim would probably be a little bit more accurate.

And still false.

Nick T

there a monthly fee for D3?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@NickT No.

@badp Speaking of Symbian... &^$&!@^(*!@@ ANNA UPDATE STOP FAILING TO INSTALL GODDAMNIT.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz er... I never saw a Symbian update fail, if that's what you mean.

That said I skipped the earliest generations.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp I have this N8 here that I'm trying to install the Anna update onto, and it keeps failing. :/

badp

er... Anna update. Hm.

Nick T

03:01

DAMN PANDABEERS

badp

I'm going to assume my mobile doesn't support it.

Nick T

I wonder if there will be Panda Beer in the expansion

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Mana

End of Act 5, where are you :*(

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Anna launched like 8 months ago, it just got held up forever by US carriers. I think most Symbian^3 phones can take it.

badp

03:03

Yeah, I doubt the 5800 ExpressMusic is a Symbian³ phone.

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From what I can see, it's a massive upgrade to usability. Basic shit that should've been there from day one like a QWERTY keyboard in portrait view.

@NickT There will be nothing but Panda Beer.

@NickT Given that the first time Pandaren were ever even conceived, it was in the form of Brewmasters.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz uh. I've had that from day 1.

I guess that goes to show I don't have that version of Symbian.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Symbian^3 did not have that because it is terrible.

Nick T

So are questions about gaming streams, tournaments, etc generally bad for the site?

e.g.

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Q: Is StarCraft still played competitively or has it all but been replaced with StarCraft II?

StarCraft II seems much more spectator-friendly (and modern computer), but are there still any large tournaments that are sticking to the old, balanced to the n-th degree SC1? I can't really make out what happens in Korea that well, it seems like there are tons of StarCraft tourneys, but are the...

badp

@NickT no, they're not.

LessPop_MoreFizz

03:05

This N8 is the most dramatic combination of great hardware terrible software I have ever used.

@badp They aren't bad in general, but I think that one isn't particularly good.

badp

well, he did ask "generally"

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@badp Yes, but he did also provide an example.

Nick T

what's the problem with that one

badp

I dunno, the example seemed to ask a pretty objective questions. Are people still organizing stuff for this game?

Mana

@badp It's kind of localized IMO

badp

03:08

@Mana How about Minecraft?

How many questions we have are up to date to 1.9-pre4?

Nick T

@Mana far, far, far, far less than any game with patches

Mana

True, true.

Nick T

this isn't about something whimsical, this is about official, sanctioned tournaments

Mana

I know. I'm fine with it.

badp

Oh, look. The Wikipedia page for my mobile claims Anna should also be available for it.

Mana

03:11

I need something to kill time with for the next hour. I'm too hyped up.

badp

Ovi suite, I choose you!

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Nope, no revision 60 through Ovi Suite, despite what Wikipedia claims.

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@badp Could be a carrier support issue. Anna was released for this N8 by Nokia back in March, but AT&T wouldn't approve it to be distributed to me until today.

And now it is failing non stop. :(

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz My phone's not bound to any carrier.

Got it for like €150

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Not a matter of being locked to a carrier.

The N8 I'm using is unlocked as well, but it's still attached to AT&T's network now.

badp

so what is the problem?

Mana

03:15

@NickT To be honest I'd like more questions about competitive play/tournaments on this site

like a lot more. Even about basic stuff like how tournaments are run and the logic behind certain tourney decisions.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Certain carriers haven't approved distribution of Anna to phones attached to their network.

badp

I kinda doubt this extends to Italy tbh, but I'd have to look into it further

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@badp It's a certification thing. Nokia won't put it in the Ovi Suite unless it's available OTA for some reason. At least, that was the problem here in the states with Anna/AT&T.

badp

Besides apparently the only Anna thing the new firmware would get me is... the browser.

Big effin' deal.

LessPop_MoreFizz

There were backdoor ways to do it by using a prepaid t-mobil SIM and then hooking up to Ovi, but they were a royal PITA as far as I know.

Nick T

03:18

so two mods think it kinda/sorta should be reopened but they don't? sheesh

badp

hugs Opera Mobile

Nick T

MXIED SIGNALS

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@badp The browser update is actually pretty damned nice.

badp

@NickT I don't see a reason for it to be closed, but I need a kind of a strong reason to reopen it after 5 people closed it.

See it as two reopen votes. They're something but not enough.

At least you'd have mine.

Nick T

it was up to 2 at least a while ago

they decay though, so it's reset to 0

badp

03:20

I can install "Here and Now" though! And the "Facebook Update!" And "Mail for Exchange!"

@NickT I'll take your word for it; you better be correct :P

Nick T

M WORD IS GOSPEL

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@badp The updated Ovi Maps app is actually really fantastic.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz I do have that installed. Dunno if we have the same version

It really kind of struggles on this hardware though. I've seen smaller handsets having a much smoother experience, perhaps thanks to a smaller screen.

The software's good, there's just not enough horsepower in the mobile and so it kind of lags out. Annoying in critical situations but not a deal breaker.

LessPop_MoreFizz

The N8's hardware is a marvel.

I just wish I didn't hate Symbian so much. Hoping Anna helps in that regard.

because oh god the OS that's on there now is so fucking terrible.

badp

I currrently have Maps v3.06

with maps from February. I dunno if I'll ever get newer maps.

Oh look. Updated maps.

GET.

uh. it didn't actually update anything

Tried again. Ovi crashed. Hm.

Tried again. Downloading. Woo.

I didn't really need Austria maps anyway. Thank you.

Oh, actually Nokia claims 5800 has revision 51 as the latest in the US, and 52 in Italy

I should look into getting a replacement mobile eventually. Windows Mobile's design pleases me, but lack of navigation is a downer. I also get free navigation with Android, but the whole scenario is kind of a clusterfuck. iOS... I don't have a credit card.

If I were to get Android I'd want to get Android. Naked Android. No bells, no whistles, no skins, no chains.

Well, okay, sure, Google's own bells and whistles, okay.

LessPop_MoreFizz

03:47

@badp How does not having a credit card hurt your interest in iOS?

badp

I can't get an iTunes account.

I can't buy apps.

etc.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Also, If you like WinMo but want navigation, wait a week. Nokia should be launching it's WinMo phones, and I can guarantee you they'll launch with an Ovi Maps app for WinMo.

badp

In the iOS ecosystem that's major.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh, I'll be waiting more than a week.

Basically until this phone dies.

LessPop_MoreFizz

iTunes store takes PayPal and you can also use cash to buy iTunes gift cards at any FruitShop.

badp

Oh, it takes Paypal? When I last checked it (okay; that was some time ago) it needed a credit card to get album art

That does make things different.

LessPop_MoreFizz

03:49

@badp It's taken PayPal for at least 5 or 6 years, since they definitely did when I worked Retail for the fruit company.

You can also associate no payment type and fund an account exclusively through iTunes gift cards, which are... omnipresent to say the least.

badp

iOS... I dunno. I'd probably end up liking it, but I currently admit to being biased against Apple products.

LessPop_MoreFizz

If Nokia's WinMo devices are half as sexy as the N9 is hardware wise though, they're going to be hard to resist if the iOS app store advantage isn't a big deal to you.

badp

(Also - no navigation.)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp There are a ton of excellent navigation apps for iOS, including several free ones like Waze.

badp

eh, right now I'm no app-aholic. Certainly waiting in public places is a bit boring, at the top entertainment choice on my mobile is Pendulum. It draws curvy shapes in colours and shit.

Typically I fix that with the internets. I can't do that those six months.

LessPop_MoreFizz

03:53

@badp Yeah, the big advantage to iOS is that it's rapidly becoming a first class gaming platform.

Tim Stone

@badp Heh, I said the same thing and somehow ended up with an iPhone 4. Granted, my alternative choices at the time were fairly limited due to carrier exclusivity and the like.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Which is more than can be said for Android/WinMo, which are definitely getting the major utility app category covered, but just can't come close to iOS for entertainment.

@TimStone King of Dragon Pass. Get it. Love it.

I am so fucking hooked on this game it's not even funny.

Tim Stone

Oh? I was actually looking for new games too, I'll check it out. Thanks!

badp

The one thing I want to abandon from my mobile is memory issues. I'd like to be able to keep a browser running in the background.

Nokia are really tight with RAM.

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@TimStone Think Choose Your Own Adventure meets Dwarf Fortress.

badp

03:56

oh wow, this mobile comes with 128 MB of ram! Not 60 as I previously believed.

That must've been the previous mobile, before it took a bath in the Mediterranean last summer.

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@TimStone The SA thread sells it better than I could though.

> I always described it as "Oregon Trail, but you've made it to Oregon, and it's already inhabited by pissed off duckfolk, and all the bison you shot on the way have risen from the dead and want revenge".

Tim Stone

Fantastic :D

LessPop_MoreFizz

Oh Bastakos. The Craziest advisor.

badp

04:15

New Release - Stronghold 3: #SteamNewRelease http://bit.ly/sKzRoe

Tweeted by steam_games on October 25, 2011 at 4:08 AM

Oh hey guys, Battlefield 3. Let's get it on.

Tweeted by BenKuchera on October 25, 2011 at 4:09 AM

Not the best of moments to release, eh?

mordi2k

Pff, I'll take a copy of Stronghold 3 over Battlefield 3 any day!

badp

I'll skip both.

Nite.

Mana