The Pitstop

6:04 PM

@DucatiKiller, Interesting thought... Centerpunch is probably best since it might be hard to hit a window with a static tool hard enough when under water. You're not going to have a fast swing.

Lynn Crumbling

Black hole sun is such a screwed up video.

JPhi1618

@LynnCrumbling, Indeed.

DucatiKiller

@JPhi1618 agreed, that seems pretty easy actually

JPhi1618

Hey, @BobCross, home yet?

DucatiKiller

@BobCross you were right. Rory nailed it immediately.

@BobCross welcome back

Bob Cross

6:05 PM

Heh. Not quite. It's going to be a long day.

0400 here.

DucatiKiller

ouch

Lynn Crumbling

What timezone is that?

JPhi1618

Melbourne time?

Lynn Crumbling

Austrailia?

JPhi1618

Yea, the big Melbourne.

DucatiKiller

6:07 PM

There's power in silence

Lynn Crumbling

Huh. And we've moved right on to the Heart-Shaped Box video.

DucatiKiller

@LynnCrumbling sounds like your on a Grunge binge

JPhi1618

Did you hit a 90's you tube channel?

DucatiKiller

@LynnCrumbling you going to pile onto the experiment?

Bob Cross

The best story from this trip was that two strangers recognized my N7 polo shirt at a distance and started conversations. :-)

Lynn Crumbling

6:10 PM

@DucatiKiller Youtube's prediction algorithm is completely confused by the fact that I've gone from Verve - Bittersweet Symphony to STP - Creep.

DucatiKiller

@BobCross Did they have an opinion on strategy?

Lynn Crumbling

So it retaliated with Guns and Roses, AudioSlave, and finally Soundgarden.

DucatiKiller

@BobCross We've been busy hacking the hnq while your gone. We waited until you couldn't say no.

@LynnCrumbling yeah, your on a 90's binge....

Bob Cross

There is international consensus that Jennifer Hale is the best of all things ever.

Lynn Crumbling

Of course, before Verve, I was listening to Taylor Swift and Carly Rae Jepsen, so I'm sure that's what caused the psychotic break in the first place.

JPhi1618

6:12 PM

Man, some Audioslave might be good.

Lynn Crumbling

It's now exhibiting fractured personalities.

Mission accomplished.

DucatiKiller

@BobCross she does have a good voice

@BobCross Her video simulation is better than actual self IMO

Jonathan Musso

@DucatiKiller yessir

Lynn Crumbling

I'll move on to CSNY and completely confused the shit out of it shortly.

DucatiKiller

@JonathanMusso sweet

@JonathanMusso check the hotness points right before you post so we can see the result.

Jonathan Musso

6:14 PM

Where can I see that?

Bob Cross

@DucatiKiller you are completely free to have your own incorrect opinion. ;-)

DucatiKiller

@JonathanMusso hover your mouse over the question in the HNQ, it will pop up a little number

@BobCross I lack international flair unless you look at me. It's all a ruse planned long ago by my parents.

Jonathan Musso

@DucatiKiller 61,168

JPhi1618

61<point>168

DucatiKiller

now we can see if it goes up after you post

JPhi1618

6:16 PM

@LynnCrumbling, try some Stabbing Westward.

Or Gravity Kills.

DucatiKiller

@BobCross Eat some good Vietnamese food for me.

Lynn Crumbling

I just hit it with some upvotes.

JPhi1618

Because Melbourne is known for great Vietnamese?

Lynn Crumbling

Unfortunately, NAA: mechanics.stackexchange.com/a/28283/1743

DucatiKiller

@JPhi1618 According to my buddy there's a huge Vietnamese expat community and awesome Vietnamese food there.

JPhi1618

6:20 PM

Cool, never would have guessed.

@DucatiKiller, I think he's clowning on your spelling of Tensile.

It's at 63.168 now.

DucatiKiller

@JPhi1618 good point

JPhi1618

Tinsel strength would be Christmas tree related.

DucatiKiller

LOL

It's great to publically fail.

Good for the soul

JPhi1618

And argue for the fail. That's next level.

DucatiKiller

LMAO

Darth_Vader

6:31 PM

question, shouldnt this question be closed as a duplicate?

2

Q: Bleeding Brakes 2002 Bonneville with ABS

I had to replace the 2 brake lines that go from the master cylinder to the ABS control box. I bled all 4 brakes in the proper order, (RR,LR,RF,LF) but the brakes are minimal and the pedal goes to the floor. The master cylinder is full. What am I missing? Should I have attempted to bleed these ...

2

Q: Bleeding Brakes

Also with regard to my 2002 Bonneville brake bleeding question, I could not get the rear bleeder bolts loose and did not want to twist them off, thus I bled the rear brakes at the brake hose going into the caliper....Is this acceptable? Thanks

brakes

JPhi1618

I saw that, but since one was about another specific detail, I didn't think so.

DucatiKiller

@Darth_Vader I'm not sure. It seems like two separate issues. I was pondering the same thing earlier.

Darth_Vader

I thought it could be made as an edit

DucatiKiller

the stuck bolt is different than the bleeding procedure

@Darth_Vader they could be consolidated maybe...

Darth_Vader

@DucatiKiller congrats on your question

JPhi1618

6:33 PM

I decided to leave it alone. But as Bob would say, flag it if you want - that's why it takes more than one vote.

64.668 right now.

Darth_Vader

do any of you use an adjustable desk?

Jonathan Musso

@JPhi1618 My bullshit answer lol.

DucatiKiller

@Darth_Vader I do

JPhi1618

I have one too, @Darth_Vader.

Darth_Vader

one thing about that I disagree with in regards to ducata's question is people haven't experienced a mass flood it seems. I have, in 2010, water went 20' in minutes and people were driving in it

@DucatiKiller I was looking at an uplift desk but wondered what you guys have used

JPhi1618

6:39 PM

I just have one at work from some major office furniture manufacturer.

Some people in our other office have the spring-loaded lifting kind that sit on top of a regular desk. They are enough to lift their two monitors and keyboard/mouse, but it's not the whole desk.

They work and are less expensive.

Last time I was at IKEA, I saw they also have adjustable desks now.

Darth_Vader

@JPhi1618 ya the reviews on those are bad. the desk themselves arent too bad so getting some as side desks

JPhi1618

Yea, I didn't even touch one - just saw it and was like, Hmm...

Zaid

@DucatiKiller how's the social experiment coming along? :)

JPhi1618

We discovered Hotness Points. You were here for that?

I just got +1 point on my answer for the escape question. How do you get only 1 point?

Zaid

Drifting in and out

JPhi1618

6:49 PM

I figured out the +1...

nevermind.

Zaid

Maybe you downvoted an answer and it got deleted

JPhi1618

I'm maxed out, and downvoted someone so I had 199 points.

Then got an upvote...

Zaid

Lol

So hotness is hot

DucatiKiller

@Zaid It's going well. Interesting. makingdonuts for minute. brb

JPhi1618

It's cool to have an actual metric to play with.

Darth_Vader

6:51 PM

eeww... I have a fuel filter question.

Zaid

@Darth_Vader what is it?

DucatiKiller

@JonathanMusso Good pile on, it's perfect :-)

Darth_Vader

looking to see if it has been asked, but I was curious to know if its a good practice to remove the fuse for the fuel pump and let the engine run all the fuel before changing the fuel filter to prevent fuel from the lines going everywhere.

was going to use a silverado as a reference since the fuel filter is at the lowest point on the frame.

Zaid

In my experience (BMW M5) it's not a whole lot of fuel

I wouldn't bother removing the fuse

JPhi1618

Would the engine even suck fuel out of the lines without the pump?

Darth_Vader

6:54 PM

@JPhi1618 thats part of the answer im looking for ;)

Zaid

@JPhi1618 yes

DucatiKiller

65.6xx hotness points now

Zaid

Because the engine creates vacuum

DucatiKiller

so it ticked up just a bit on day 2 after @JonathanMusso 's answer

Jonathan Musso

@DucatiKiller How did I even get points for that lol

DucatiKiller

6:55 PM

it might need to stew a bit more before a query executes to increase the points though

@JonathanMusso welcome to the rep train. Look at my crap answer.

JPhi1618

I guess we're not talking about EFI then?

66.668, @DucatiKiller

Zaid

@JPhi1618 doesn't matter.

Lynn Crumbling

answers++;

JPhi1618

The engine is going to suck fuel out of the injectors?

DucatiKiller

@LynnCrumbling thanks +1

Darth_Vader

6:59 PM

this is what I thought: mechanics.stackexchange.com/questions/28288/…

Zaid

@JPhi1618 Yes

Lynn Crumbling

68.168

DucatiKiller

it's definitely ticked up a bit. It seems the time metric is holding it down now. Yesterday adding responses was ticking it up 20 points at a time.

JPhi1618

@Zaid, wow, ok.

DucatiKiller

...but it may need to stew...

65.099 now....dropping

Lynn Crumbling

7:03 PM

I bet answer edits drive up that point total almost as much as adding an answer.

JPhi1618

Drop is unexpected.

Lynn Crumbling

Additionally, new comments.

DucatiKiller

@LynnCrumbling good point.

@LynnCrumbling I'm not sure about comments. I was under the belief comments effected it but there was a meta post that didn't list that aspect.

Lynn Crumbling

Let's test it.

Added a comment.

Zaid

22

Q: How can I manage my need to take short bathroom breaks in a professional setting?

I have a very non-threatening chronic kidney condition. One of the recommended management techniques is to drink a lot of liquids - this keeps my kidneys from retaining more water than they need to. The obvious downside is that I need to visit the bathroom semi-frequently (maybe 4ish times a day,...

professionalism

@DucatiKiller ^ this is the golden standard to aim for :)

Lynn Crumbling

7:05 PM

How often do we think that hotness point total is recomputed?

Zaid

158.xxx

Why is social engineering so interesting?

Lynn Crumbling

65.57 now

JPhi1618

@Zaid, Golden standard indeed.

Lynn Crumbling

Wow, you're at 2951 views.

If only .1% of those people come back, we've got 30 new users.

(assumes users=views)

JPhi1618

@LynnCrumbling, I feel like it's recomputed whenever a dependant variable changes.

Lynn Crumbling

7:10 PM

I feel like there's more room to improve. Maybe a bounty?

:)

(need 2 days out for that.)

@JPhi1618 That would make a lot of sense.

Zaid

@JPhi1618 You saw what I did there

Lynn Crumbling

66.981

JPhi1618

And maybe one dependent variable is a 5-10 minute counter that will naturally decay the points if there's no other activity.

If no one touches it, it won't stay at 66 points.

Lynn Crumbling

I believe that upvoting good comments boosts activity just as much as upvoting an answer.

JPhi1618

Hmm, that's a tough one. Comments really don't seem to have the same weight in any other situation.

Or do you mean, purely psychologically boosts activity?

@cdunn, I asked Duc this earlier... Do you think you can swing your glass breaking tool with enough force underwater to break a car window?

Lynn Crumbling

7:18 PM

In the eyes of a system monitoring actions on an object (question) and sub-objects (answers, comments), I'd think that any Create action carries a lot of weight compared to a View action. It takes time and effort to add an answer or add a comment.

67.923

Rory Alsop

@Zaid I answered that one before it got anywhere near HNQ! :-)

Lynn Crumbling

Huh. Just got a 'create tag synonyms' privilege.

68.864

Zaid

Lol, you guys

JPhi1618

@LynnCrumbling, the kicker is that you need +5 on a question with that tag to create one.

Lynn Crumbling

Hah. Nice.

Zaid

7:22 PM

I'm tempted to write a web crawler to track the hotness status updates in this chat

Lynn Crumbling

You can probably get that via their api

(a lot easier ;)

Zaid

Now where's the fun in that?

Lynn Crumbling

<grin>

JPhi1618

APIs are for sissys that can't do it themselves!

DucatiKiller

@Zaid :-)

Zaid

7:24 PM

9

Q: Does a carburettor engine appy fuel at high speeds when not pressing the pedal and more

There's a question that is pretty similar to this one except the existing question satisfies EFI engines. EFI question Let's say I roll down a hill at a considerable speed I let go of the gas. Say my revs are 3000. While going down the hill my revs will remain at 3000 but I'm confused on wheth...

carburetor motors

@DucatiKiller you should be all over this one

Mention something about idle control in a carburetor

JPhi1618

I'm just going to say that if a chat room could have hotness points, we would have 276.287.

Zaid

@JPhi1618 You just broke my web crawler :(

DucatiKiller

@Zaid It's got a decent response. I try to answer the good MC's and the unanswered questions that have aged a bit usually.

hotness formula: time decay details, 7 hours of magic and damage of the fake score

Sep 28 '13 at 13:21, 3 hours 39 minutes total – 10 messages, 2 users, 2 stars

Bookmarked Sep 28 '13 at 17:04 by gnat

interesting

JPhi1618

@Zaid that one really should have had more answers.

DucatiKiller

This is pretty interesting too.

31

A: In “network hot” questions formula, discard answers when voting evidence indicates that these are not good data points

TL;TMWtB That's a brilliant idea! and would bring some much needed balance back into the hotness values! This change should really cut down on the run-away questions. * Too long; tell me what to believe Data to back the assertions Being an engineer, I have this crazy predisposition for ha...

Zaid

7:28 PM

@DucatiKiller status-declined

DucatiKiller

@Zaid @Zaid That's next level

erg

lol

@Zaid The responder to the declined request provided data regarding watching a single question in the HNQ

that was the interesting part

Zaid

Because you know what's going to happen if they do, right?

DucatiKiller

share the wealth

Zaid

Hit the rep cap today

It's quite rare for me to do that

DucatiKiller

68.3xx

@Zaid you and @JPhi1618 Horn of Bounty

JPhi1618

7:31 PM

We need Rep point rollover.

DucatiKiller

@JPhi1618 the feeling of getting votes and not an increase in rep is unique.

JPhi1618

After the 200 max, it rolls into the next day.

A least I don't get little upvote notifications at the top that say +0.

2

I'm blissfully ignorant of the missed points.

DucatiKiller

you can see the votes without points next to them in your the activity of your profile if you want.

Zaid

@JPhi1618 Or -0. That would suck

JPhi1618

@DucatiKiller, No I do not want, thank you.

DucatiKiller

7:34 PM

I'm sure there is a German word for that feeling

JPhi1618

There always is. Like Fahrvergnügen but the opposite.

Zaid

@DucatiKiller schräder valve

depressing

DucatiKiller

I can't find the meta post that describes the metrics of HNQ. I need to escalate to a better googler.

@Zaid that actually works

lol

I just received a bronze badge for my horrible answer

JPhi1618

That's amazing.

DucatiKiller

Way to validate failure SE

OH LOOK! Cooter just chimed in!

0

A: How do I save myself from a sinking vehicle?

(1) Getting out of a sinking car is very difficult. The reason for this is that the car will list to the driver's side due to the weight of the steering column and the driver's weight. That means you will be located on side of the car tilted downward. It also means the driver's side will fill up ...

he's nurturing the baby along for us. Thanks Cooter!

JPhi1618

7:40 PM

You can always count on Cooter.

3

DucatiKiller

68.8xx What's the aging metric? What decays hotness?

I need to kick my google issue up to Level 2. Can someone goto meta and find the hotness metrics?

Seth Kitchen

Does anywhere here know statics?

JPhi1618

@SethKitchen, Maybe but that's a little random, right?

Did you just look for rooms with statistically high activity?

Seth Kitchen

Where should I go to ask?

I thought it might be related to mechanics

JPhi1618

You want to post a real question or just chat about it?

Seth Kitchen

7:44 PM

Chat about it because it's concepts

Not math

JPhi1618

I'm not sure we have and resident statisticians. There are several programmers/developmers.

@LynnCrumbling, you into statistics at all?

Seth Kitchen

Statics not statistics

Zaid

@SethKitchen engineering.SE

Seth Kitchen

Ok ty

JPhi1618

Oh, sorry.

Seth Kitchen

7:45 PM

It ok :)

JPhi1618

I totally messed that up!

Zaid

@SethKitchen but what's the question?

I might be able to help

JPhi1618

We do have some engineering folk in here.

Rory Alsop

static - like when your hair stands on end when you rub it with a cat :-)

JPhi1618

You and your cats.

Zaid

7:47 PM

@RoryAlsop I don't think that's what he's asking

Rory Alsop

(I know)

DucatiKiller

@SethKitchen What kind of engineer?

we have soft dev, mechanical, security, infrastructure......

JPhi1618

Is that what Jonathan does?

Zaid

@DucatiKiller you're forgetting social

JPhi1618

Well, Rory is already here.

Rory Alsop

7:49 PM

@DucatiKiller I'm an electrical and electronic engineer by training, and social engineer as part of my day job

JPhi1618

ha

Zaid

11

Q: What makes mechanics.SE so special?

I've been active on this site for almost two years now and have used it to get help, learn stuff and assist others. mechanics.SE is by no means the first website on automotive maintenance and I doubt it'll be the last. But there's something about it that makes it so... unique. I've been trying...

discussion featured

JPhi1618

@Zaid, that's on my TODO list.

Really.

Rory Alsop

@Zaid I was trying to find something you haven't covered

Zaid

Guys, no action on this yet

Except for Nick C

@RoryAlsop I don't mind if stuff is repeated. It merely reinforces the message of what works well

That's pretty much what Nick C did

DucatiKiller

7:50 PM

@SethKitchen Apparently we have a social engineer in here too.

@SethKitchen Keep your wife away from him.

Rory Alsop

@DucatiKiller dunno what you are implying...

JPhi1618

@RoryAlsop, I think that was a dig at being a grungy rock star.

DucatiKiller

@RoryAlsop I'm just being a dork

Zaid

If you guys want to prepare more HNQ questions, may I recommend the sandbox

?

mech.SE Questions Sandbox

A place to list, discuss and critique potential questions for ...

DucatiKiller

playing on the social engineering statement you made.

Jonathan Musso

7:55 PM

@DucatiKiller Have any friends interested in Rods? I wanna sell a project to someone in the States ;)

JPhi1618

I'll give you $500.

DucatiKiller

@JonathanMusso Most of my friends are high RPM euro fans

JPhi1618

I'm out guys. Chipped crown - gotta see the dentist.

Have fun.

Zaid

@Darth_Vader your question is now in HNQ

Jonathan Musso

@JPhi1618 Haha!

Zaid

7:57 PM

17.xxx

Jonathan Musso

Take care @JPhi1618

@DucatiKiller 10-4!

DucatiKiller

@JPhi1618 take care man...doesn't sound fun

Rory Alsop

0

A: What makes mechanics.SE so special?

I am a member of a few Stack Exchange sites, and they all have their specific attractions, but as I have been a petrol head since I was about 5, motor sport, cars, motorbikes and engines have a particular fascination for me. And while I am very much an amateur mechanic, the community of very exp...