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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
11:00 AM
@StevenGrigsby You should put a space after the name or he won't be pinged/notified.
@MARTIN
 
user161117
I haven't even said my thing yet
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
I am not promising to feature anything before I don't know what it's going to be
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
K.
Let me write it first.
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
But I am always open for suggestions, and if I think it's helpful I'll do it
just keep in mind, there are already two featured projects at the moment
one of them my long time charmy functional groups post, that not moving forward as mu as I hoped
and the resources post is also still open
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@Martin-マーチン Pssht. Let me finish the functional thing.
K, what do we need to resolve/create/polish?
 
user161117
11:03 AM
If a wave function has complex phase, it can be expressed in an orthonormal basis of energy eigenstates where the relative phase no longer matters. So only real wave functions need to be considered for LCAO. true or false @Martin-マーチン
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Ho ho whoa wait a minute.
@Martin @Wild @Jan @pH13 @MadSci this is something you should see.
 
pH13
pH13
why @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ?
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
@feetwet The extreme chemicals post is unlocked and open to vote for.
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
You should be answering that in comments.
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
I upvoted that answer... I don't see much use for the cite button.
but i don't want to crush it
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
11:08 AM
Me neither, but if you do want to see it, you should show him something citable.
 
user161117
Do people really cite stack exchange?
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Like @Mart's or Lord's or Geoff's coolest answers.
 
pH13
pH13
besides, it's no feature that hurts but can be useful
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@StevenGrigsby What do you know . . .
 
pH13
pH13
@StevenGrigsby I'm not sure, if I would ... but then I would not post my work here :P
 
user161117
11:10 AM
haha
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M There is still open work on amines and esters, the prior one needs at least a tag-wiki. Both need to be applied to more questions. See meta for the full list.
2
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Oh, so it's just editing matter.
 
user161117
Math makes sense but chemistry?
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
It is not that difficult to cite the SE in papers.
If you would.
 
user161117
11:13 AM
It seems kind of... Wikipedia-y
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
In a wider sense you could use it for lecture notes
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@Steve how often do you read the answers here?
 
user161117
Seldom
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
So that's why you miss some great answers here.
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
I would hardly consider anything wikipedia-y here
 
user161117
11:14 AM
When I search math, I usually end up at math stack exchange through google
 
user161117
when I search chemistry I don't generally end up here
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@Martin-マーチン Occasionally, you guyses do post Wikipedia-y answers.
@StevenGrigsby That's because . . . give me a moment.
 
pH13
pH13
@StevenGrigsby Recently I have seen wikipedia citing in a paper
 
user161117
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Actually you were just saying that the other day that people do use wikipedia to make their answers here
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@StevenGrigsby Yes, but not the best answers.
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
11:15 AM
why not... It's difficult because not very transparent but eventually not that bad
 
pH13
pH13
there are easy question that can be answered by wiki, but there are hard work answers here, that have nothing to do with wikipedia
big ones
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@Steve take a look at this We're still too small to be cited enough.
 
user161117
Yeah however good an answer here is, it seems odd to think of an answer being cited though, since I couldn't imagine someone doing say an experiment and then not publishing it and only using it to answer a question on here for example, maybe I'm narrow minded about this
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Then how do other SEs get cited?
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
I did quite a few calculations for this site, that I never intended to publish anywhere else
 
pH13
pH13
11:18 AM
@StevenGrigsby there esp. calulations that we do just for answering here
 
user161117
There's a difference between math and chemistry. I could see some computational chemistry kind of stuff being cited
 
pH13
pH13
but sure no "real" experiments
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
I did a complete derivation of mp2...
...twice
 
pH13
pH13
:D
 
user161117
and deleted one for being a duplicate
 
user161117
11:19 AM
:O
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@StevenGrigsby ?
 
user161117
lol
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
of course you can look that up in different books, but if it was this cite which helped in whatever context, why not cite it...
some of the questions lead may lead to papers, then you have to cite it
there are probably a dozen reasons why you might want to cite something... having the option is nice
I don't like bibtex though...
 
pH13
pH13
I could cite my fruitful chat conversations with @Wildcat and @Martin :D
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
can i insert a short off-topic non-chemistry-related question in here ?
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
11:23 AM
@soundslikefiziks Yes of course.
 
user161117
I thought this was already non-chemistry-related
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Our chat is usually off-topic.
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
If you had a meal at a restaurant and you seemed to have money only enough for a 10% tip
(for a 80$ meal (2 people)) and the waiter comes up to you and said something like "sir, it is accustomed to leave 15%"
would that put me in the rude position or the waiter ?
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Where?
The US?
 
user161117
depends
 
user161117
11:24 AM
generally this scenario doesn't happen
 
user161117
does he say this before or after he knows how much you're leaving for him?
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
Well, US\Europe , any place that is not a third world country
after.
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Cheeky waiter, don't engage with him.
Just leave 10% and leave.
 
user161117
Nah, the waiter is not rude
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
He's prolly trying to make you uncomfy by telling you that's the "norm".
Or,
It could put you in an awkward position if it was the norm/
So the intention is important.
 
user161117
11:27 AM
The waiter lives off tips, if you have a 80 dollar meal that's not just some cheap dinner at some greasy diner. In fact, 20% would probably be expected
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
To balance the question , i'll add that a friend of mine had people moving furniture to his house, they were sweating and hard working so he gave them a seemingly fat tip only to receive a similar response of "sir, there are 3 of us, could you give some more?" to which he replied "sure, just give me back this tip and i'll give you more" and then he gave nothing .
 
user161117
if anything, he probably doesn't want you to return because you're a cheap skate
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
called their boss and complained of course
 
pH13
pH13
I probably wouldn't give anything after such a comment
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
Yes Steven i know, but i thought "well, he is still getting paid, and it's not like i did this on purpose"
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
11:28 AM
Real life is sophisticated.
 
user161117
well I didn't really know you didn't do it on purpose
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
oh, well i just ran short
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
BBL lunch
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
I heard of a restaurant where tips are not allowed
 
user161117
Oh well that's slightly different, I would think that you should have said something to the waiter beforehand
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
11:30 AM
Well, it was kind of awkward , since... technically , if i order a pizza delivery , i usually leave 10%
 
user161117
Such as, "Sorry I don't usually tip this low", it also depends on if you're a regular at this restaurant or not or are planning to come back an leave a larger tip
 
user161117
I can't say what the situation is for pizza delivery since I never worked as one, but I was a waiter for over a year before going to university
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
Well i find giving tips is offensive
let me be more precise
 
user161117
lol ok
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
yes, that could have been more appropriate , but still, this burden of guilt hovering about the head of the customers on every single meal is kind of uncomfortable
 
user161117
11:31 AM
you're allowed to feel that way
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
being expected to give tips is offensive, to me and especially to the waiter
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
you are right martin.
Does not mean i would stop tipping, but the only reason i tip is because of this inconsistency. even if i had a great service, i would like to associate it with the resteraunt
 
user161117
Yeah of course, the fact is the waiter is actually paid less than minimum wage hourly.
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
the problem is, not all employees are the same , and some are rude, but would i ever complain ? no.
 
Jan
Jan
@soundslikefiziks That's the point where I take back my 10 %. A tip is there because I enjoyed the service. Asking me to tip more is not service.
 
user161117
11:33 AM
The situation seems kind of awkward though
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
Well, the US seriously botched their system
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
@Jan , my initial feeling exactly, but i was not sure if i should follow that instinct , since the waiter can't take back his service.
 
user161117
like the person had stayed at the table for a much longer time than normal
 
user161117
A waiter almost never sees their tip until the customer has left.
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
If you are tipping in Japan, you are offending the service
 
user161117
11:34 AM
Yeah, but the context is that the person is specifically in the US so that's not really pertinent
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
Really ?
 
Jan
Jan
Well, it only takes a single short thing to tip the balance …
 
user161117
oh you said US/EU/ first world
 
Jan
Jan
It doesn't really matter if it's the beginning or the end of the meal; if there is enough to make me feel 'I don't want to tip', then I don't.
 
pH13
pH13
@Jan that's exactly my point
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
11:35 AM
I guess the extreme chemicals post is never getting a positive score... but instead of going to meta and actually talking about the problem people just give a lazy down vote.
 
Jan
Jan
Also, If I find out that the food is expensive but the waitors are not well paid and live off tips I'll never visit the restaurant again (and probably formally complain to the boss, too).
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
You know how some things\distractions are bad for your digestion ?
like being generally worried about stuff
so when i come to a restaurant i want to forget about my worries
 
user161117
It's the norm for waiters to be paid only in tips in the US
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
@Steven really ?
 
pH13
pH13
the US of A have many stupid systems ;)
 
Jan
Jan
11:37 AM
@StevenGrigsby In that case remind me never to eat out in the US.
 
user161117
They make an hourly wage of about 2 dollars, which is less than the regular minimum wage they could make
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
it's kind of illegal
@StevenGrigsby where ? california too ?
i think it's illegal
 
user161117
Well it's different from state to state I think but
 
user161117
it's not quite as I describe it
 
user161117
They get paid less than minimum wage hourly unless they make less tips than minimum wage
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
11:38 AM
i'm pretty sure it's a cause for a lawsuit under the employment law
 
user161117
in which case they make minimum wage. Which is pretty crappy considering how stressful the job can be and there are some loopholes to this
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
in that case, i feel more compelled to tip but on a general note , it's the restaurant's owner' burden of guilt
 
user161117
I don't think it is, the restaurant owner is playing by the rules everyone else is by doing that.
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
in fact, it puts the restaurant in a really bad light regardless of how good the food is
 
user161117
Plus, waiters prefer the system as is I think for the most part because of the "lottery" sort of feel
 
user161117
11:40 AM
you have a potential to make more money
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
yes, true.
But what about my feeling of "oh, he's just nice because of the expected tip"
 
Jan
Jan
It still strikes me as unfair, whether everybody does it or not.
 
user161117
I mean without the incentive, you really sort of have no reason to give great service to anyone since no one's paying. It's sorta just how it works, squeaky wheel gets the grease haha
 
user161117
"What about my feelings"
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
well all americans I have talked to about that system said it is absolutely horrifying and it completely sucks
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
11:41 AM
or "should i really need to pay people to be nice to me ? why can't this service be an integral part of the restaurant ?"
 
Jan
Jan
It's not like you wouldn't get tips if you were paid the minimum wage.
 
user161117
Hahaha
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
i mean , why then shouldn't i eat at home ?
 
Jan
Jan
At least in my country, it's normal for people to tip 5 to 10 %. But waitors are required to be paid the minimum wage by law and there is no possibility to say 'but we expect x amount of tips'.
 
user161117
Look, I worked in a restaurant as a waiter for about a year and a half and I can tell you personally I prefer it
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
11:43 AM
@StevenGrigsby prefer what ? the low wage ?
 
user161117
Maybe not everyone else shares that idea, but my coworkers sure seemed to like the idea
 
pH13
pH13
@Jan for me it's not ... I just round to the next proper higher value
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
or the insignificance of that wage comparing to the general high profit from tips
 
Jan
Jan
@pH13 In 90 % of the bills I saw that was 5 to 10 % ;)
 
pH13
pH13
that's too much math when paying :P
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
11:44 AM
In germany I usually give a fixed amount...
 
user161117
Yeah would I rather have set minimum wage or would I rather be paid less than minimum wage so that I have the potential to make about double minimum wage?
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
@Martin-マーチン what you said about Japan's non tipping system is true through all Japan ? (or the majority)
 
Wildcat
Wildcat
@Martin-マーチン, in Germany everything is fixed. :D
 
Jan
Jan
@pH13 It's more like ‘If the bill reads 29,20 €, I'll round up to 32 or 31 rather than 30.'
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
@StevenGrigsby but what about being paid minimum wage without any customers knowing it and feeling "oh, poor waiter , i should really give him some more cash, since you know, they don't get properly paid these days"
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
11:46 AM
everywhere, but in a couple of foreigner owned bars it is probably not considered rude if you leave a small tip... but i only came across that once so far
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
it's a guilt trip every single time :(
 
Jan
Jan
@StevenGrigsby How about you were paid minimum wage but still had the potential to double it with tips?
 
user161117
That's unrealistic
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
lol
56 secs ago, by Jan
@pH13 It's more like ‘If the bill reads 29,20 €, I'll round up to 22 or 21 rather than 20.'
 
pH13
pH13
 
user161117
11:46 AM
You can't just change the status quo
 
Jan
Jan
No it's not; see Germany xD
 
user161117
that's not how reality works
 
Jan
Jan
@Martin-マーチン Thanks, fixed xD
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
@pH13 Thanks :)
 
pH13
pH13
@Jan I'll go with 30
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
11:47 AM
just in time
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Still stuck with the waiter question?
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
:)
@Martin-マーチン that sounds like a very convenient dinning experience i hope there is more to eat in Japan than just sushi though .
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
Hmmm it can be quite inconvenient though
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
why ?
there is one less thing to worry about at the end of the meal apart from the bill
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
If the bill shows 2324 yen, then that's what you pay
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
11:50 AM
does it include the tip ?
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
if you go out with some people you always divide equally the complete bill
 
Jan
Jan
@Martin-マーチン Are they happy to take cards?
I think what killed tipping in Finland was paying by card xD
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
there is no tip, the staff gets paid according to japanese custom
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
good, so the only thing left to decide is "where should i eat today"
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
i don't know... japanese are generally not very keen on cards...
i pay my electricity bill in cash every month
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
11:52 AM
Think of the relief you feel when the waiter smiles and you and you are 100% sure it has nothing to do with how big your pocket looks to him
 
user161117
@soundslikefiziks only thing left to decide is "where should i eat today"? Is this really how you feel about this situation?
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
no more "oh my god! he smiled at me! and i don't have enough money for the tip! where should i go bury myself?"
@StevenGrigsby yes :)
 
user161117
Hahaha
 
user161117
the waiter is just a human being like you you know?
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
i know , i was a waiter for 3 days once
 
user161117
11:54 AM
lol
 
user161117
It just seems like your way of talking about this is kinda... detached from reality or something XD
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
No, it's just that some people are more easily distracted about some things more than other things
 
user161117
fair enough
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
in my case it's worrying about some near future inconvenience in a place i initially go to forget about my worries and enjoy
what if cashiers at the supermarket needed to be tipped ?
i mean , what if it was accustomed in some areas
or tellers at banks
 
user161117
Haha if you don't have enough for the tip and you're not adult enough to confront the waiter and say "Hey sorry I apologize for not having enough to leave a respectable tip, my bad dude", then you should just leave the tip on the table when you leave like a normal person and not confront them
 
pH13
pH13
11:57 AM
what if I cannot afford tips?
 
user161117
problem avoided
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
@StevenGrigsby yes, but still, this situation would occupy my mind during the time of the meal
 
user161117
You can always come in some time in the future and leave a bigger tip to make up for it, I've even had this happen to me with customers who felt bad about leaving a small tip
 
user161117
Why would you let this potential thing bother you so much
 
user161117
yeah it happens, it's not a big deal really
 
pH13
pH13
11:59 AM
lol ... the most extreme chemicals thread is now at +3/-4 ... xD
 
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
55 mins ago, by Steven Grigsby
If a wave function has complex phase, it can be expressed in an orthonormal basis of energy eigenstates where the relative phase no longer matters. So only real wave functions need to be considered for LCAO. true or false @Martin-マーチン
That's basically the point the whole post was about
I have to go now
 
user161117
haha alright
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
Well, even if i leave a "good" tip i would still worry about it, so i guess there isn't really a solution here
this is why i liked the idea of a tip included in the bill.
 
user161117
@Martin-マーチン I was partially just trying to say what you said in my own words, so thanks for the confirmation
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
@StevenGrigsby have you even been in a 7/11 where there was a little tip jar?
 
user161117
12:02 PM
I used to live near a 7/11 and there was definitely no tip jar
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
What would you think if there was?
 
user161117
it would be weird
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
well, i saw it twice already
 
user161117
where do you live
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
i used to live in California , there i saw it twice
and then i thought "really? " "really? here too?"
Ok, i'm really exaggerating now. but just the general notion of obligation was annoying me.
 
user161117
12:04 PM
I lived in a college town where there was some pretty high traffic through that 7-11 and I remember them always posting like signs out front of security cams of people who tried to steal stuff
 
user161117
I was just thinking maybe they do it normally but didn't there cause people just stole it too much haha
 
user161117
Yeah but the context is totally different anyways they're not really comparable situations
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
well, maybe they should put a "cover our theft expenses since we can't afford insurance" Jar
 
user161117
hahaha
 
user161117
I don't think they couldn't afford insurance or anything
 
user161117
12:07 PM
they're open 24/7 so I think it's kinda common for gas stations and stuff to just get robbed late at night
 
user161117
I don't know, it's really not any more of an obligation than thinking "I have to pay for this meal after I finish eating it" whether you tip or not
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
They should be given an extra risk factor salary raise
haha
 
user161117
"I pay the cooks for cooking the food and I pay the server for serving me the food."
 
user161117
you do them both at the end of the meal, at exactly the same time
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
no problem with that at all!
To sum up , apart from the specific incident that i had not enough money for the tip, i wouldn't mind paying an amount that was included in the bill, that would take away any "is it enough ? was the waiter happy or was he disappointed" worries
 
user161117
12:09 PM
15% is what's expected, 20% or more is great if you feel compelled haha
 
user161117
Yeah but I mean you can always talk to the waiter
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
Yes i know. but he was the first to respond
 
user161117
I mean did this really happen or is this hypothetical
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
it did
 
user161117
It seems strange. Of all the times I waited on tables, I generally wouldn't know my tip until I collected the money after they had left
 
user161117
12:12 PM
Oh well, I think I'm done talking about this haha
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
ok, so just to add, he followed me out and said it
 
user161117
Oh well that's odd
 
user161117
maybe he was new there or maybe he was trying to tell you to not come back in a polite way
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
This is why i wanted to ask who is acting rude in this situation, me for leaving 10% or him for telling me i should have left 15%
 
user161117
Yeah an $80 check is also kind of high to be leaving a 15% tip
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
12:15 PM
at the end, i felt uncomfortable and it ruined my meal
 
user161117
I think after you get to about $40 or higher it's kinda more expected to give a 20% tip. At least from my experience but eh
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
omg im not made of bills ! :)
 
user161117
I mean you probably should feel bad anyways
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
haha
see? that guilt trip again , and all i wanted to do was eat outside
 
user161117
Like, even if what he did was rude or not, you still didn't really tip very well which is rude in and of itself
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
12:16 PM
that's it, i'm learning to cook
 
user161117
haha
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
See how much emotional complications gets tied up to a simple nice and natural activity like eating outside ? this is why i was happy to know about Japan's no-tip policy
And about the Californian no-tipping restaurant (i forgot the name)
 
user161117
Eh
 
user161117
you're ridiculous lol
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
No, you're just a former waiter so i come out as a cheap, and i am not.
 
user161117
12:20 PM
Just pay with your card, then you can always write in whatever tip without worrying
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
Ok, do you accept mastercards ? :D
 
user161117
Nah I don't think you are cheap I just think you're like socially awkward about it
 
user161117
The same exact thing could happen to you at a place where no tipping was involved
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Social rule #1: Never be afraid of communication, especially when you feel it might be awkward.
 
user161117
you order a meal and then realize you don't have enough cash to pay for it
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
12:21 PM
Socially Awkward , yes. and now i have the "if you pay a low tip a waiter can follow you outside and say something about it" option added to the possible outcomes list
 
user161117
haha
 
user161117
Oh no that's basically worse than the end of the world happening
 
user161117
a human who feels slighted by another human but doesn't know if it was intentional approaches them and says, "Sir, you have not done the norm here"
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
And what if i was to react with taking the 10% tip back to my pocket and saying "you deserve neither" ?
and i would justify it as "this is the norm i grew up with"
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Perfectly fine with me.
 
user161117
12:24 PM
Depends, how good was the service
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
Why was the waiter so unemotionally aware of the fact that he might ruin my night ?
 
user161117
haha probably because you were economically unaware of the fact that this is his paycheck
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
And maybe he was , and felt the urge to "punish" me with a guilt trip
 
user161117
are you serious haha
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
In which stage did i sign an employment contract after discussing his salary ?
 
user161117
12:25 PM
yeah we all have emotions but you act like such a victim to them
 
user161117
You don't have to let your emotions rule your life
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
No, i am just showing i could have acted like one.
I would never actually do that.
But you also said it's odd that a waiter follows you just to say that
 
user161117
What was his motivation for approaching you about his tip. Do you think he did it to make you feel bad or do you think he did it because he's trying to make ends meet?
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
if he was to say something like "sir, was my service not good enough ?" that would change everything
but his attitude was more of a demanding one.
 
user161117
So he wasn't convincing enough
 
user161117
12:30 PM
He could have had the same idea but been more diplomatic, but his motivations would remain the same
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Well you two are running in circles.
 
Jan
Jan
9 mins ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Social rule #1: Never be afraid of communication, especially when you feel it might be awkward.
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
"could have", "would have", "maybe"
 
user161117
Can we accept that you likely made him emotionally distressed before he made you emotionally distressed? :P
 
Jan
Jan
Oh the millions of dozens of times I have violated that rule …
 
user161117
12:31 PM
"Mom I had a dream about you last night"
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
haha.
 
user161117
<ok rule number one, it's ok, I can do this>
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
wait there just a minute, there's one thing of asking me for the reason of why i gave a seemingly low tip, and there's another thing of following me outside and acting like "sir, 15%,open your wallet"
 
user161117
damn why does this creamer not dissolve if I put it in cold and then put hot coffee on top
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
or should i say "pay up"
 
user161117
12:33 PM
haha idk if you care so much you should go ask him
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
I would never do that to a customer anyways and i would not want any of my employees to do that to a customer
 
user161117
Go talk to the owner
 
user161117
if it's that important to you
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
but anyways, so answering my question, you think i was the rude one in this situation
 
user161117
I don't think it works like that
 
user161117
12:35 PM
I think both of you were rude
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
and @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M and @Jan think i should have taken the 10% and left
 
user161117
so what
 
user161117
I think they're wrong
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@soundslikefiziks Yes.
 
user161117
that's my opinion haha
 
user161117
12:36 PM
you said you were a waiter for 3 days, why?
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@StevenGrigsby Exactly. We're just throwing opinions.
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
because i thought it would be a nice experience
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
Nothing really objective to talk about. We're just guessing.
The only way we could efficiently decide is if we were in your shoes IRL.
BTW @soundslikefiziks how old are thou?
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
yes, it's not like i know what went through the waiters head through all of that day, he might have met several annoying customers
i'm 35
 
user161117
Yeah being a waiter is a stressful job
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
12:38 PM
That still keeps me the youngest.
 
user161117
I think it's not uncommon for them to be on edge haha
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
But still, you can't mix emotions with customers. maybe waiters should be paid more just because of that fact, and also the people working at mcdonalds and taco bell and etc..
imagine you go see a psychiatrist and he\she tells you "hurry up, i had a really bad day"
 
user161117
haha
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
The thing about guilt trips is that people act as if there is an agreement between both of you
 
user161117
"guilt trips" what is this middle school logic?
 
user161117
12:41 PM
ok so you didn't pay 15% you didn't like kill anybody, chill
 
user161117
uncomfortable for maybe like 5 to 10 minutes and then you move on with your life
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
i was uncomfortable for at least one hour after that
 
user161117
I won't entertain your ideas about this any more
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
and kept talking about it with my date
ok, agreed. case closed
:)
 
user161117
Ok so you know how allylic hydrogen are more acidic than regular alkane hydrogens?
 
user161117
12:44 PM
I can't believe I never realized that the alpha hydrogen of a carbonyl is also just like this haha
 
user161117
I can remember struggling with trying to remember the mechanism for an aldol reaction and like not being able to reason that out, but it's really pretty obvious if you think of it like that, I guess I never sat down and played with it
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
Great, now i have to Google all that paragraph
 
user161117
haha
 
user161117
I can explain it!
 
user161117
I don't know why I would assume you know organic chemistry
 
user161117
12:50 PM
I think I might be confusing you with someone else I spoke with briefly about organic chemistry
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
let me try and review it for a few minutes ,after all, i already have three tabs open (allylic-hydrogen,alkane hydrogen and aldol reaction)
 
user161117
Yeah, sure go for it
 
Jan
Jan
@StevenGrigsby Don't worry, I understood you there ;)
And yeah, it's the same thing only the oxygen makes it stronger.
 
user161117
Yeah, conjugation, resonance, and aromaticity are some fun stuff haha
 
soundslikefiziks
soundslikefiziks
I feel a great pressure relieved of my shoulders as i stare clueless at the wikipedia pages.
Thanks @Jan haha
 
user161117
12:57 PM
Wait are you saying the oxygen makes it stronger in comparison to what
 
user161117
like ethanal is a stronger acid than propene
 
Jan
Jan
A stronger acid compared to allyl with a hydrogen.
Yes.
 
user161117
gotcha
 
Jan
Jan
Is it called allane maybe?
 
user161117
I've never heard that
 
user161117
12:59 PM
if anything I would guess allene
 
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@Jan Allane?
 
user161117
actually maybe they're called like vinyl-alkanes?
 
Jan
Jan
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I was looking for a systematic name that takes 'allyl' and turns it into the corresponding hydrocarbon.
 
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