@RichardU When I said it isn't going to be carried out in public, I meant meaningful conversation. Not just laypeople and spectators. The only people that can have the discussion meaningfully are SE and Monica and possibly their legal representatives.
I know that my answer will overlap others, but enough people are waiting for me to comment on this process with an eye toward my case in particular that I'm going to post anyway.
The new removal process, while better than what was done to me, lacks important safeguards present in the pre-existin...
I'm disappointed by this process. It would have to be actually neutral and transparent, e.g SE should not be involved in the decision process, and the evidence should be public as much as possible, or at least fully public to the former moderator, prior to any process.
I really wish that SE would separate the personal and professional hurt that they admitted they caused Monica from the reinstatement process. The reinstatement process will not ease that hurt and that loss of professional and personal reputation.
@Snow The first step to any sort of resolution in the eye of the community was always to alleviate the harm done to monica. This includes walking back the preposterous statements to the press, and making a public (to the press) personal apology to the specific instance of firing her. What this is is too little too late and not applicable.
I don't think the reinstatement process was ever going to be impartial in this case, unless the proceedings are made with absolute transparency. And I don't see that happening.
I mentioned it in my answer but imo to have any chance of being accepted as impartial the reinstatement process must not include SE. It needs to be heard and adjudicated if not publicly then by a panel of community-elected or randomly selected arbitrators
SE and especially senior management are going to taint the credibility of anything they're involved in for years to come. That's just a sad fact at this point
Considering the sensitivity of the central issue (if I interpret Caija's post in the Tavern), I really doubt that a third party would be involved in this case.
Nevertheless, Monica's reputation outside of SE is important. Very important.
I know. The resignations and strikes appear to have had no effect other than to make the rest of the CM team and moderators work more. There's been no appreciable effect on SE or SO that I can see. There's "regret", but "regret" doesn't solve anything.
Everyone could delete their profilesw and SE could close down tomorrow and they'd still have the best database of learning material in the World to monetise and an almost infinite number of ways to do so.
In fact in business terms it would be good for them, because they could then focus on moneytising
So assuming they are close to peak or just over it, now is the best time to do so. Basic exit strategy stuff
So just stall, bluff, defer and watch what happens.... hehe... either they're very clever ruthless business types... or the other alternative is they're smoking crack
most things in life and business there is a bigger picture.... if you can get everyone focusing on a portion, you can accomplish quite a bit elsewhere if you see the whole picture.
@RichardU old as politics man.... one minute everyones protesting about save the whales, next thing they're living in a swamp with the mosquitos renting their ancestors land from a foreigner wondering how it happened.
not even a trick, happens in plain sight, just no ones watching ;)
@mag yeah, I probably shouldn't engage them either, but I never let a bully get in the last shot. But then again, I was trolling neo-nazis back in the 90's, so that should give you some idea of how crazy I am
@mag back in the good old days of the USENET, we'd call what was termed a Passive Ignore Simultaneous Strike. Nice acronym, and it literally took it out of the trolls
@mag just don't let it bleed the passion out of you. Sometimes, a bit of rage and ruin is a good thing.