The Water Cooler

motosubatsu

8:25 AM

@Twyxz that's gotta sting

Twyxz

My face. Yesterday.

Rip..

Well there goes fanatic, I'm no longer a fanatic.

This sucks

motosubatsu

you'll get there...eventually

Twyxz

8:42 AM

Nah I'm not trying again

Really cannot be bothered for such heartbreak again

Pointy Haired Boss

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Q: This question should not be closed as 'unclear'

Misleading/out of date LinkedIn profiles - saying you still work for an employer when you don't is closed as Unclear what you're asking. There is nothing unclear about it. It seems on-topic (there are plenty of LinkedIn questions already - we even have a linkedin tag), my only objection is that ...

Magisch

9:08 AM

whatever this was, it's deleted now: workplace.stackexchange.com/a/136890

Twyxz

I hate questions like these

It's just so annoying

Magisch

seems better suited to academia.se

even though its not technically off topic here

Twyxz

Yeah maybe, it just causes so much controversy

It just all depends on reading the person you're making jokes about

People take things differently

Arthur Havlicek

9:29 AM

are there actually difficult questions on workplace

i feel like a lot are like doing the obvious thing

Twyxz

Depends what you mean by difficult

People have different opinions on what the obvious thing is

Arthur Havlicek

9:50 AM

Questions that don't get resolved by : "We aren't lawyers", "Bring up the point to X" or "Find another job"

motosubatsu

10:02 AM

@ArthurHavlicek yeah.. they usually get VTC as "unclear" :P

doppelgreener

2:31 PM

→ 44 messages moved to discussion-with-twyxz-about-health

This conversation has overstayed its welcome in this room and will be moved.

→ 1 message moved to discussion with twyxz about health

Please continue it there if you're interested in participating. Otherwise we'll resume normal business in this room.

Twyxz

Which is no business at all

congratulations on killing the chat again

doppelgreener

That conversation is not better than no conversation.

→ 3 messages moved to Discussion with Twyxz about health

Twyxz

There has been a lot worse said in this room in the past, and none of which have been criticised by any moderators other than yourself

motosubatsu

really @doppelgreener ? so we get a little OT in here sometimes when things are slow. It never interferes with TWP related topics. Not sure what you're hoping to achieve by shuffling things off.

doppelgreener

I am not other moderators. Many kinds of discussions occupy the room more or less in full so that other discussions cannot take place in the meantime: at that point sometimes a safety valve is necessary. This conversation was one of those: it's a profoundly personal topic that is going to involve strong feelings from onlookers and is not something the main chat room needs to host.

motosubatsu

2:39 PM

well with all due respect I have to say you are massively overreacting here

the conversation was in no way hitting that safety valve point

doppelgreener

I disagree.

motosubatsu

as far as I can tell you are the only person who disagreed

doppelgreener

I've also informed local moderation, so they are in the loop.

@motosubatsu I am. I'm also a chat moderator. I don't have to wait and take votes.

motosubatsu

@doppelgreener I understand how your moderator powers work

doppelgreener

You are welcome to continue the conversation — in the room I moved it to.

motosubatsu

2:41 PM

that doesn't mean I have to agree that it was an appropriate use of them

Twyxz

Local moderation is more often than not a apart of such conversations

doppelgreener

If one person speaks up in good faith(!) saying “I'm not comfortable with this conversation happening in the main room and think the room needs to be freed up for other topics, could it be moved?”, and I can recognise the topic has potential to make people uncomfortable or such, I'd very likely move the conversation to another room to allow for that to occur. Does that sound fair and reasonable?

motosubatsu

3:07 PM

@doppelgreener probably yes, obviously I can't speak for all such scenarios but for the general case yes

particularly if for example the person's good faith ask was ignored

by the participants in said conversation

doppelgreener

In this case that person was me.

motosubatsu

except you didn't say you were uncomfortable

you acted unilaterally

had you said "hey guys this is making me uncomfortable"

doppelgreener

No, you're right, I could have said I was uncomfortable as I moved it.

motosubatsu

I would have stopped outright or taken it elsewhere

doppelgreener

... but it was getting moved one way or another, because the conversation's place is not in this room. Not moving it is asking for the conversation to restart (or just continue outright as if nothing happened) when someone else drops by and reads some of the backscroll.

motosubatsu

3:10 PM

and that would be so terrible because?

(bearing in mind you didn't mention feeling uncomfortable)

doppelgreener

@motosubatsu that's the theoretical scenario where I do mention I'm uncomfortable and don't move the conversation otherwise

motosubatsu

if you had mentioned being uncomfortable then yes by all means move

doppelgreener

I'm mentioning it now. OK?

motosubatsu

yeah I get that.. I was misunderstood what you were saying - I thought your " it was getting moved one way or another" was implying you would have moved it regardless of having spoken up about being uncomfortable

doppelgreener

Oh. No, that's not what I was trying to imply.

Monica Cellio

3:30 PM

@Twyxz I've just seen the discussion in here. Workplace mods were informed after the fact; we weren't part of the decision-making. I'm not happy about what happened, and want to say a few things that I hope we'll try to follow in the future.

motosubatsu

hey @MonicaCellio

Monica Cellio

1. If anybody in the room is uncomfortable with a discussion that's happening, please say so. People have different thresholds; reasonable people can think a conversation is fine while other reasonable people would rather it not happen.

2. If you're not comfortable saying you're not comfortable, maybe try to redirect the conversation?

3. Health is a touchy subject. If you're getting "um, maybe you need to see a doctor" comments, that might be a sign that it's time to change the subject.

4. Under no circumstances do I consider it acceptable to name a room in an insulting way. I've renamed the room.

5. Oh, and #1 is not a justification for discussions or comments that you know will be provocative or upsetting. (That didn't happen here, but just in case it's misinterpreted: I'm not saying that rudeness is ok if no one speaks up. It's not. We're all adults and should be able to self-moderate.)

@motosubatsu hey there. I wasn't ignoring you; just wanted to get all that out in one block.

Mister Positive

@MonicaCellio I agree with Monica here completely.

motosubatsu

@MonicaCellio no worries.. totally understand. was more of a "hello" "hey" than anything else

Mister Positive

I usually am on it, but was checked out due to a production issue.

motosubatsu

3:43 PM

thanks for those clarifications - that's pretty much how I'd always assumed these things were supposed to work

@MisterPositive no worries fella.. Real Life does have that irritating tendency to get in the way every now and again

Tina_Sea

4:02 PM

@Lilienthal does this mess explain it?

Mister Positive

@Tina_Sea "this mess"?

Mister Positive

4:45 PM

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Were you satisfied with the ending of GOT?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@MisterPositive no

Mister Positive

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Same. Whole family was mutually disappointed....

Worst season of all of them IMO

motosubatsu

@MisterPositive I haven't seen anything since mid season 4.. I think I must be one of the few

Mister Positive

some good episodes....

but as a season the worst.

IDrinkandIKnowThings

Agreed

The writers kinda phoned it in this season.

Mister Positive

4:57 PM

@IDrinkandIKnowThings felt really sloppy

Magisch

I never got why people like tv shows about fantasy

It always feels like a vastly inferior version of a book

IDrinkandIKnowThings

5:13 PM

on the plus side i can cancel hbo again

motosubatsu

5:49 PM

@Magisch it's difficult to do "right" in TV/movies, this is certainly true. But just because it's hard doesn't mean it's wrong for people to try - or that the end result isn't worth appreciating. It may be verging on the heretical to say so but there's some areas where the LotR films for example surpassed the source material IMHO

Mister Positive

@IDrinkandIKnowThings LMAO yes, me too!

Magisch

6:27 PM

@motosubatsu idk, maybe movies are just not for me. I read books very quickly, to the point where movies always feel slow and lacking in detail to me

motosubatsu

@Magisch and there's nothing wrong with that

I err towards books for many things myself as well

personal preferences are the name of the game

Magisch

I can appreciate the skill and effort that goes into making a good movie though

And my favorite stories are kinda not suitable for making into a movie, e.g the wheel of time series or the lies of locke lamora (90% of those books good mood comes from internal dialogue and background building)

motosubatsu

@Magisch I love the Gentlemen Bastards series, agreed that it's totally unfilmable though (and it would suffer greatly in the process of trying)

WoT though... I'd say would work better as a TV series, you could cut so much of the tedium that Robert Jordan's style produced

Magisch

It's a bit like Eragorn. That movie was horrid partly because the magic of the books is in the world building and the long developing relationship between eragorn and his dragon

Which the movie degraded to a mount (Yes I'm still mad at that movie so many years later)

motosubatsu

I'm currently on Winters Heart in my latest attempt to actually finish WoT.. and I have to say that I still maintain that WoT is a superb 7-book series shoe-horned into 14

Magisch

6:40 PM

It does drag yea

motosubatsu

Robert Jordan could certainly build a very rich world and knew a damn good story.. but his writing was mediocre at best

Magisch

and you notice the jarring shift in style on the later books

Then on the other end of the spectrum, there is "The name of the wind"

Which is a 400 page book I desperately wished was 4 1200 page books instead

motosubatsu

WoT drinking game: every time someone "folds their arms beneath their breasts" you do a shot - one way ticket to a liver transplant list

@Magisch was that when Sanderson took over?

Magisch

yea

motosubatsu

oh and agreed on Eragorn btw - the movie just turned it into a bad star wars clone with dragons instead of light sabers

Magisch

6:42 PM

I was so disappointed with that

motosubatsu

@Magisch I haven't actually made it to any of his books in the series yet - although I'm a huge fan of his "own" works

Magisch

Mostly eragorn is generic fantasy but the dragon <-> dragonrider relationship dynamic is unique and so well expanded on in the books and they completly butchered it

I wish Patrick Rothfuss would write more though

motosubatsu

@Magisch I've got some of his kicking around in my Audible account

Magisch

be careful the second book in kingkiller is about a third pure fantasy smut - and gets extremely graphic

motosubatsu

@Magisch lol... good to know

generally I only use Aubile in the car when I'm on my own anyway

but the heads up is mucho appreciated

I was listening to The Dresden Files last year when I was in a traffic jam and forgot that I had my window down while there was a particularly erm.. graphic description of an erotic dream

Magisch

6:47 PM

heh

motosubatsu

the person in the car next to me who had their kids in the car did not look happy

Magisch

Whats the name of that series of japanese books with the shadow power thing

Ahh tales of the otori

motosubatsu

@Magisch not ringing any bells sorry

Magisch

that is some quality fantasy

I lost a whole summer to that series

motosubatsu

is Kingkiller "a bit smutty" or "later books of Anita Blake" smutty?

Magisch

6:48 PM

The first kingkiller isnt

the second one isn't until it suddenly is

about 50-60 pages of the pretty short book is pure smut

like full on, as graphic as you can get, no holds barred

motosubatsu

dang

Magisch

after that it mellows out and is like 10% smut for the rest

be ready for a lot of on the nose instrument analogies

motosubatsu

hehe.. I'll have to report back

on that note.. think it's time for me to hit the road

leters

Pointy Haired Boss

9:48 PM

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