The Water Cooler

https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/131840/revisions I have not used offensive language nor have I spammed, so why and how exactly did this get deleted after not even 1 hour of posting?! Oh now (a few minutes after asking here) someone changed the reason of deletion to "spam or rude or ab...

Kepotx

@motosubatsu wow. France has only 16 weeks IIRC, and something like 11 days for the father

avazula

@Kepotx 12 days, we're not that cheap ;)

</sarcasm>

Nofel

It is bank holiday in uk today?

Twyxz

no

motosubatsu

10:35 AM

@Twyxz means no

Twyxz

@motosubatsu Huh?

motosubatsu

@Twyxz never mind.. just a little humor

Twyxz

No never means no. It means yes, maybe, sometimes.. infact anything but no

I wish no meant no

Nofel

@Twyxz who was that no for. me or moto

Kepotx

@avazula in fact, it seems to be 11 consecutive calendar days, and 3 days when the baby is born.

avazula

10:44 AM

@Kepotx Still seems like such a small number ...

I'm currently replacing a Slovakian colleague on his paternity leave... He has 6 months. I admire that.

I honestly believe it should be the same amount for men and women

Kepotx

sure. even for the mother, the number is incredibly low, but just few days for the father is a shame

Twyxz

@Nofel you

Nofel

These calenders r so strange. It tells me its holiday under UK & NI

calender

Kepotx

well, the mother has to stop working some weeks before and after the delivery for physical reason, but other than that, yes

Twyxz

It is a holiday, it's nationally celebrated

motosubatsu

10:47 AM

@avazula that's pretty much how we work it here.. there's a shared allocation that new parents can divide up between them, obviously there's some,er, physical differences that mean the mother is more likely to use more of it than the man does but as much as possible they are given the freedom to both act equally as parents (in theory anyway, it hasn't quite filtered down to employers yet)

Twyxz

but it's not a bank holiday

Nofel

thanks

hey @Twyxz ur into cars

can u advice me on first car

I am looking few but insurance it nuts

Twyxz

Sure

What cars you looking at, brand new/used?

Nofel

I prefer new

Twyxz

Like brand new or 1-2 years?

Nofel

10:51 AM

new new

Kepotx

@motosubatsu this seems a really great thing

Nofel

I might give 1-2 years a go. The reason I do not go for used is I had a major accident almost near to death.

@Kepotx did I hear about a baby?

@Twyxz I went for Hyundai Tuscon 1.6

Twyxz

How old are you again?

motosubatsu

@Kepotx yeah.. definitely moving in the right direction.

Twyxz

1st car going for a 1.6 brand new and something so big is definitely going to be expensive that's the issue

If you can't afford to save you shouldn't be getting brand new, especially with 0 no claims, it doesn't financially make sense for you. I mean I'm not telling you what to do, you do you but it's probably not the best idea

Kepotx

10:54 AM

As a man and I hope future father, I am ready to do a break in my career for my child. But by having just few days vs few week for woman, it's more impacting

Nofel

@Twyxz I am 34

The only issue is. I had yaris. too good car but not a family car who travels a lot

coz we did like 12k or more miles in a year

so a lot of stuff in car n then car was tooo good on economy wise

thats why after 3 months of review on carwow I had short listed tuscon. but insurance is 3005 annual

Twyxz

Your insurance can't be that expensive? Have you had some quotes

which is phufff

£3005? pounds?

yes

11:00 AM

O.o

Nofel

yea, confused.com

that was cheapest

I just got my license in post

yay

:D

Twyxz

£3005... O.o

three thousand and five

Nofel

yes that is annually

Twyxz

wtf

I've never heard of anything so high in my life, quote a cheap 2010 car 1 litre ( I know you're not going to get one ) but I just want to see

Nofel

ANNUAL PREMIUM
£3056.69

Twyxz

11:08 AM

that's on a 1 litre?

Nofel

£3056.69 to insure your HYUNDAI TUCSON PREMIUM TGDI 177

Twyxz

Yeah go check for something like a renault clio 1.2 and tell me how much it is

I just want to see

Joe Strazzere

@SouravGhosh Fake. I don't find pretend questions that interesting.

motosubatsu

@JoeStrazzere seconded.. too much specific detail that the OP would be unlikely to know

Joe Strazzere

@motosubatsu everyone thinks they are a comedian

Nofel

11:17 AM

@Twyxz £2770.79

hey @JoeStrazzere how r u

hows ur dad

motosubatsu

@JoeStrazzere ain't that the truth

Nofel

@Twyxz on my real address 8561.28

that is more than hyundai

confused.com is a wrose site

Joe Strazzere

@Nofel Hi. I'm good. Dad is feeling a little better after some radiation and eating a little better, but the prognosis is unchanged. We are trying to help him be as comfortable as he can in his remaining time. Thanks for asking.

@motosubatsu My worry with this sort of fake question is that The Workplace devolves into a comedy shop with hecklers. I flagged the question. I would invite others who feel that this is a fake question to do the same. Is there a StackEdchange for comedy where folks can try out their materials?

motosubatsu

I've flagged it as well.. shock of the day it's hit HNQ, might be one the mods could consider trying their new HNQ-superpowers out on

it's bad enough that we have to cope with the periodic influx of questions from entitled toddlers who are outraged that their employers asked them to do something that wasn't what they wanted to do that day

but at least those are legitimate questions (after a fashion)

Twyxz

11:37 AM

£8561 FOR INSURANCE? O.o

Nofel

hahah I know

@Twyxz My postcode has been notorious for accident and claims

someone told me

Twyxz

and do you have criminal records or anything like that?

Nofel

nope

Twyxz

as a 19 year old I can get insured on a brand new nissan GTR for the same price as your real address

that's ridiculous

motosubatsu

'sup Mister Bitter Pants

Mister Positive

11:46 AM

{Not much, getting first bit of caffeine]

Nofel

@Twyxz confused.com has been bad in past

Twyxz

try compare the market

motosubatsu

@MisterPositive don't make me hurt you

Mister Positive

12:13 PM

Elf need coffee, badly.

motosubatsu

@MisterPositive I've nearly finished a giant can of red bull

that's on top of the large coffee I had before driving to work

I'm turning into @Snow

Mister Positive

Oh no!

Snow

You really don't want to turn into me.

Mister Positive

Stay in the light!!

Twyxz

grabs moto's leg "DON'T DO ITTTTT"

Sourav Ghosh

12:27 PM

@JoeStrazzere OK, I guess I still have some ways to go to identify the fake ones. So far, I was taking every question "in good faith", however, this is the second time I am learning that questions can be fake or made up. I'll be more careful next time :)

Also, just wonder, why would someone post an "imaginary" or "fake" questions, what is that they want to achieve?

motosubatsu

@Twyxz but the coffee.. it's so warm and delicious.. and the Macan really is the best car Porsche make.. maybe I should get a dog?

@SouravGhosh </shrug> attention whores gonna attention whore I guess

Twyxz

911 GT3

...

Mister Positive

@motosubatsu ROTFLMAO

motosubatsu

@Twyxz nah.. I mean where would I put the dogs? No I think a Macan is the only way, I can fit the various coffees into the cupholders

Twyxz

On the roof? Catch a breeze up there

They'll love it

@MisterPositive You annoy me with that T...

Mister Positive

12:32 PM

{oh really, I am soo sorry about that....]

Twyxz

oh my god.

Don't make me mute you

Mister Positive

{ENTERING SLEEP MODE}

motosubatsu

@MisterPositive If you don't ~~get in that plane~~ stop mismatching braces you'll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.

Kepotx

@MisterPositive oh my gosh, correct braces. something is wrong here

Twyxz

No syntax errors

all good

Nofel

12:37 PM

@Twyxz will do thanks.

but whats with bigger than liters the most it cost

I thought it shld be bigger the engine

I am no expert on cars but even ppl go for better BHP

Kepotx

@MisterPositive quick, some bad code!

i=42;while(i-->1){wakeUpMisterPositive()};// the "-->" is an "arrow function", that make 42 move to 1 so we wake up Mister Positive 42 times

Nofel

@Kepotx bad formatting

@Kepotx what do u do

Kepotx

Mister positive don't do braces error anymore, so I replace him with bad code

Two there should be. No more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it.

Twyxz

@Nofel The litres is the size of the engine...

and bigger engine doesn't always mean higher BHP there are a lot of factors that come into it

The only reason I said check on smaller engine is because smaller engines tend to be slower, therefore cheaper

Nofel

I would love to go for yaris but according to my my bro in law, it is too light

last week rented car, someone bashed into the left fender

and merc didn't had a bump while yaris fender was whole out of place

according to them german car have strong body

then come question about hyundai, a korean company

Twyxz

12:50 PM

Why does it matter how strong a car body is? or how heavy it is?

Just don't crash it..

unless you're racing, the weight of the car isn't effecting you to change your choice of car

Kepotx

@Nofel well, some cars are designed to crunch

it can absorb much force this way

Nofel

@Twyxz exactly. it how u drive

Pakistan is full of japanese brands, and there is no insurance thing there yet ppl r so safe

Kepotx

Crumple zone

The crumple zone is a structural safety feature mainly used in automobiles to absorb the energy from the impact during a collision by controlled deformation, and recently also incorporated into railcars.Crumple zones are designed to absorb the energy from the impact during a traffic collision by controlled deformation by crumpling. This energy is much greater than is commonly realized. A 2,000 kg (4,409 lb) car travelling at 60 km/h (37 mph; 17 m/s), before crashing into a thick concrete wall, is subject to the same impact force as a front-down drop from a height of 14.2 m (47 ft) crashing on to...

Twyxz

To think to test a cars "crumple zone" you have to waste so many car bodys and even wheels etc...

I would take one untested for free if they were just throwing them out... geez

Nofel

@Kepotx so ur saying yaris crumple zone is fender?

if I get it right, crumple zone absorb the shock so rest of car is safe?

ppl*

Twyxz

12:55 PM

that's not what he's saying

Kepotx

@Nofel crumple zones are usually on the front of the car. I don't know model/brand of cars, so I can't say it

what I am saying is that a car that deform during impact is not always a sign of bad quality, it can even be the other way around

Nofel

1:10 PM

@Kepotx correct

@Kepotx yes those are the crumple zones for toyota cars

@Kepotx youtube.com/watch?v=ylU7RIlk56A

thanks for giving me that knowledge

I had a life threating accident, and if it wasnt for those points I would be here today

Richard U

1:48 PM

OMG.... I'm taking today off from this site... too much conflict.

See y'all tomorrow.

avazula

@MisterPositive where's the ending brace?

:p

Kepotx

@Nofel thanks rather those who are at the origin of this knowledge ^^

Nofel

2:11 PM

who? @Kepotx

Pointy Haired Boss

2:29 PM

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Q: Providing an answer to a "protected" Topic

I rcently came across the following Topic: What can I do if I am asked to learn different programming languages very frequently? I am a Human Resources Professional with some experience in this matter and would have to disagree (to some extend) with most oft the answers and would be willing to ...

discussion support protected-questions

Kepotx

2:44 PM

@Nofel According to Wikipedia, Béla Barényi was the pioneer of passive safety, but the idea was of course improved by many other engineers.

Nofel

Nice one.

so this recruiter had no JD of job he was telling me

yet he asked for me CV, told me they r looking for someone who works in Vue

which I did

shld I send him my CV?

Twyxz

Do you want the job?

Kepotx

JD = job description?

Twyxz

Yes ^

Nofel

yea @Twyxz

@Kepotx yea

Kepotx

2:49 PM

maybe they do not need a specific job

I mean, at my girlfriend's company, they did have JD, but during the interview, they try to know what job could fit the best to candidate

Nofel

@Kepotx the pain is that u do not know if the recruiter is for real or throwing my cv to get his sale

Kepotx

so even if you apply to job A, you could work at job B

or even at job C, wich is a mix between A,B and your skills

Nofel

yea I got telephonic interview tomorrow, the job spec says MySQL and PHP.

I told recruiter I do not have those skills

but they said, they r not sure too

tomorrow I have to roast the company to ask what they want

Twyxz

If you want the job why would you not send your CV?

Kepotx

well, if they are still interested, I would definitely send CV. It can't do that much harm (other than companies spamming you to work for them)

Nofel

2:54 PM

@Twyxz In past, recruiters have thrown my cv like freebies

so one employer said, "How many recruiters u work with, we got yr cv copies 9 times"

which of course I never consented

Twyxz

and you just lost your job

and require a new one

Nofel

@Twyxz not lost, successfully completed the contract

Twyxz

You posted a question saying you were being let off early

that's lost.

Kepotx

@Nofel is it common to send CV to a recruiter that will then send CV, instead of applying to job directly?

Nofel

@Twyxz yea, I thought about it and my fault coz I did work too quickly so they notice me as a good worker

but it backfired

yet I have no regrets

Kepotx

3:28 PM

@Nofel Never used a recruiter so I don't know how they work, but maybe keep clear that you don't want your CVV to be shared that much. If 9 is way too much, it still gives you better odd to have the job than 0

Twyxz

The thing is. You were still in conversation with the employer... so it isn't a bad thing

Sourav Ghosh

3:46 PM

Folks, hope y'all had/are having a good day!!

I have something to ask of you people

avazula

@SouravGhosh shoot!

I mean, please ask :)

Not "darn, Sourav has a question again"

Sourav Ghosh

Recently (in last week or so), I am seeing a trend that other answer(s), which basically have the same alignment (yes/no sort of questions) are accepted by the community, whereas, my answer(s), bearing the same opinions are treated in an opposite manner

Is something changed about my answers?

My observation: I'm trying to keep the answers short and to-the point.

Tried reducing the content size, and trying to focus on the concise and clear answer.

avazula

I'm gonna review your latest answers

Sourav Ghosh

@avazula Thanks to you....

@avazula That is understood

@avazula Don't worry, that's not going to demotivate me (and also is not going to stop me form asking questions, for sure) ... :)

avazula

@SouravGhosh I don't have enough rep on TWP to see the UV/DV ratio but upon review of your 5 latest answers, I don't see something wrong in what you wrote

Also, they don't have many comments below (at least now) so I guess it's just lacking of visibility?

Sourav Ghosh

3:54 PM

@avazula maybe....let me try to help you....

Coworker is lying about having kids. What should I do? +16/-3 .. the highly-accepted answer is also inclined to "dont do" approach.

avazula

@SouravGhosh All shorts answers on that post have low scores (you actually got the highest)

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@SouravGhosh Short answers are bad unless they explain why. It is hard to explain why in just one line

avazula

Maybe it's because your POV is quite direct in that example and may seem a bit blunt? IDK. If I were OP I'd feel offended because you'd have made me realize it's none of my business, but I'm oversensitive so I know I react too strongly in many situations

motosubatsu

@SouravGhosh comparing with Magish's answer (which as you point out is broadly speaking along the same lines) a few things stand out: 1) his answer is slightly less bluntly put 2) he provides a bit more explanation as to why it's the better choice to steer clear of getting involved

Sourav Ghosh

@IDrinkandIKnowThings While I dont disagree, but in some cases, it can be

avazula

4:01 PM

Short frame challenges tend to be either excessively well received or quite poorly, depending on the people's general opinion

motosubatsu

your answer is not bad (IMO) and I think the over all score reflects that - you only have one more DV then Magisch does for example

Sourav Ghosh

@avazula OK, so y'all think I should be reverting on my decision to make answers more "compact"?

motosubatsu

if a user agrees with both yours and his core answer i.e. "not your business" then they might be just picking the one they (slightly) prefer

avazula

@SouravGhosh I don't think there's anything wrong with that answer. I'm just not surprised that a bunch of people didn't like it.

motosubatsu

@SouravGhosh I'm definitely not the person to answer that one! :D I'm somewhat known for my verbosity

short and blunt can work (depending on the question) - you only have to look at Kilisi's track record to see that

Sourav Ghosh

4:03 PM

@motosubatsu Yes, as do I (it all started with stackoverflow...)

motosubatsu

really answers should be as long they need to be to get the point across clearly

2

Sourav Ghosh

@motosubatsu Well, I am guilty of both sides, providing excessive long answers and providing too short of a block as answer....now just trying to find a middle graound

*ground

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@SouravGhosh You need to explain why your answer is correct. Sometimes that can be done easily in 1 or 2 lines but more often that is not the case.

In the answer you linked it just said this is what the answer is with no explaniation of why the answer is correct.

Sourav Ghosh

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Yes, absolutely, that's my point. Why to extend the answer when it can be summarized in a concise way...

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Well, OK, you're right

@IDrinkandIKnowThings I "thought" it is clear...but maybe I need to add a line or two to ensure my thought process is also expressed, not only my "opinion"

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@SouravGhosh Because we have an expectation that all answers will explain why they are correct. If you dont then those answers will attract down votes. Similarly if your answer is not too the point enough you can get DV's as well

Sourav Ghosh

4:07 PM

It should not come off like I'm passing a judgement

Rather, I need to establish the point...and I guess that involves being a little more verbose than I was assuimg

No issues

I'll try to improve

and thanks to all of you

for taking your time for providing your feedback

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@SouravGhosh Glad I can help.

Sourav Ghosh

It's really good to have honest feedbacks, it's rare these days

avazula

Not so rare in here :)

Sourav Ghosh

@avazula Right, I dint mean here.

Frankly speaking, I can't thank the SE (mostly SO) community enough

I received a lot of support, mentoring and guidance...

avazula

@SouravGhosh That's nice to hear!

Sourav Ghosh

4:13 PM

I believe all those support have a significant contributions to ensure what I am today :)

@avazula Kind of you to say that. :)

OK, 10:00 PM here, time for dinner

IDrinkandIKnowThings

The power of SE to help the world be more inclusive is why I continue to contribute here.

Sourav Ghosh

and I have had a long day today

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@SouravGhosh OK Have a good night!

Sourav Ghosh

Will be taking your leave..will connect back tomo...

Good nighty!!

Pointy Haired Boss

6:58 PM

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Q: An open letter to the mods of TWP

First of all, let me congratulate you all on the fine job you do, most of it behind the scenes with little visibility and virtually no thanks. So, on behalf of myself, and everyone who has thought it, but not said it: A warm, sincere, and honest thanks. You take a good deal many verbal kicks i...

discussion

DarkCygnus

9:40 PM

sup people

0

A: Should employees with children get special treatment

I think you're approaching this from the wrong direction. You are complaining about how unfair it is that you have to do so much more difficult, strenuous work than your colleagues. Instead, at your next performance review, you should point out to your managers how you are doing so much more d...

I feel that the word "crying" is a bit strong, as it is directed towards OP and reads a bit rude

any ideas on how to fix this thing I feel? (Or do you think it's ok to leave the word?)

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