The Water Cooler

12:28 AM

Masked Man and Joe, You were funny as hell on that question, I had no idea you were keeping it up on chat, too. I missed out on a lot of laughs!

Richard U

1:11 AM

@schizoid04 who's pestering you?

Masked Man

@schizoid04 I found @enderland's moderator note rather hilarious, in that I wasn't trying to be clever, sarcastic, or impolite. I read through the entire comment thread and I got the impression that everyone was genuinely trying to reason with the OP and make her realize she was overreacting.

There was just one comment at the end intended to be funny, where I told @SaggingRufus that I would get him removed from the site for asking me to go scuba diving (with a :P), but that comment got deleted when it was moved to the chat room. :(

I guess if you found me funny as hell, perhaps I have the talent to be a standup comedian ... or maybe Donald Trump's speechwriter?

Richard U

@MaskedMan I wish I could be sure that the OP was trolling, but I've encountered the type. BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID

Staying out of this one....

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Q: Strategies for managing older employees?

A friend asked me to provide recommendations as to what he can do early in his new role to improve his chances of succeeding as a supervisor, and to promote satisfactory performance from his team. He is new to supervision in general, and in particular of employees who are significantly older than...

Masked Man

2:36 AM

@RichardU Yeah, the list of things that would not offend someone is rapidly shrinking, so it is hard to tell if someone complaining about getting offended is serious or trolling.

Masked Man

3:00 AM

@JoeStrazzere There was no social media back then, that made a huge difference I guess. Now everyone wants to be the center of the universe.

@JoeStrazzere I think I should start selling those posters with some modification. "Keep calm and please don't ask me out". Then you could strike out either "please" or "don't" with an erasable marker.

Richard U

3:17 AM

@MaskedMan I wish I lived such an easy life to be able to be offended by such trivialities

Erik

6:01 AM

@MaskedMan yesterday I also learned the actual difference between "absurd" and "silly", although I knew there was supposed to be one I had to look them up in the dictionary to put my finger on it.

angarg12

6:25 AM

Anyone else thinks sometimes this becomes "Overthinking stack exchange"?

Masked Man

7:03 AM

@angarg12 We have ~200 posts with the word "overthink" so I think you make a good point there.

I also found out that I have 6 answers with the phrase "don't overthink this" . Oh boy!

angarg12

:)

Masked Man

Can we create a "overthinking" tag? I think I am on track to get a badge. :P

angarg12

I would find it useful heh

motosubatsu

8:32 AM

One for the "overthinking" tag?

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Q: Clean-start shortly after a rejection?

I'd applied and been turned down by a company about 2 months ago. The HR manager, say Jill, first asked me what I'd been doing since my last position. I'm in a new town this past 4 months, and there was a 4 months' gap on my resume back then. I'd replied to Jill saying what I did. “What i did”...

interviewing job-search recruitment human-resources rejection

Kaz

8:44 AM

@RichardU I disagree. I'm of the opinion that most people will end up enjoying work that they are a) good at, and b) that is in high-enough demand that they have some negotiating power. And that most people don't know what they're good at until they try it for a while. And so, if you're young, and don't know what you want to do, you might as well start with the fields that are in high-demand (and hence pay better).

Sticking with a field that makes you miserable in return for high pay: not a trade-off I would make, but there's a whole spectrum beyond that can work out reasonably well for people.

motosubatsu

8:59 AM

blinking heck... I've read three questions today that would all qualify for an "overthinking" tag

I'm actually having to stay clear of them as I have arthritis-induced grumpiness today and fear I might be a tad blunt

@RichardU is this about you? :D

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Q: My colleague is using mechanical keyboard and it's very distracting

We've both started at this company a few weeks ago. They got a mechanical keyboard on day two or so and it's very distracting. I can hear it over music on earphones. Ideally I'd like them to use a different keyboard that is not loud. How can I approach this? Speak to them? Speak to our manager?

social-nuances

remembering our conversation about mechanical keyboards the other week :)

Masked Man

9:41 AM

@motosubatsu I remembered @RichardU's DP again on reading that. :D

Joe Strazzere

10:44 AM

@MaskedMan Nice!

angarg12

11:34 AM

@Kaz Cultural differences? I would say in Spain it's very common to work in jobs that you don't like, as long as they afford you the life style that makes you happy

Richard U

12:22 PM

@MaskedMan for those folks in our studio audience who are unfamiliar....

@schizoid04 One thing that you may not realize is that moderation here is very private to prevent escalation. If you flag posts and don't see moderators acting it does not mean that they are not. Moderators will contact the person privately.

schizoid04

@MaskedMan some comments definitely were sarcastic, or just put there in response to other witty remarks though; i understand why the mod left the note. It seemed a lot of people may not have been taking that OP seriously due to the way they worded that question

@RichardU can you elaborate on "moderation here is very private to prevent escalation." what does that mean

Richard U

@schizoid04 SE is set up as to prevent flame-wars and to keep things professional.

to that end, moderation is done in private. You won't see a moderator's actions towards a poster here. You flag, the moderators handle it. There's no feedback.

schizoid04

I understand that;

Richard U

If the moderators do something, it's between the person being addressed and the moderator, not you.

This is done to prevent back and forth.

schizoid04

If you're writing this in response to the meta question I posted;

Richard U

12:28 PM

uest

yes

since you're here.

schizoid04

I more or less asked that because I was confused; I didn't want to keep flagging one individuals posts repeatedly, as it just seemed weird

Richard U

@schizoid04 that's actually the recommended action. If someone is rude, flag it, don't respond.

That way, it doesn't escalate, nobody gets labeled a "rat" because nobody knows who flagged except the moderators. Therefore no retaliation

IT

schizoid04

Do moderators ever review comment flags? I've read in the help center that they're automated and they can 'age away' if they don't 'accumulate' to a certain point where action would be taken automatically?

Richard U

It is part of what makes SE so hard to troll and so calm.

schizoid04

[rude/offensive flags i mean]

Richard U

12:31 PM

@schizoid04 yes, they review them frequently. I've flagged over 170 comments that were responded to as "useful"

@schizoid04 a better way to flag is "not useful". It gets the same job done, but doesn't hurt the poster's rep

schizoid04

@RichardU flags hurt rep?

Richard U

@schizoid04 only the "rude/offensive" flags if upheld by a moderator.

schizoid04

I wasn't aware of that

Richard U

Rude/offensive should be reserved for something that is deliberately nasty such as name-calling, personal attacks, et cetera

Magisch

So this workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93696/…

Richard U

12:34 PM

@schizoid04 if someone's just being snarky or thoughtless, just flag as "not useful"

Magisch

Am I out of line by thinking the first thing the employer is going to do when they find out is fire OP and file fraud and industrial sabotage charges?

Because that's something I'd imagine an employer doing after finding out they've been paying for 40 hrs/wk and getting 2 for 6+ months

schizoid04

@Magisch I agree; in a way they're very much paying for a service by the employee and not receiving what they've paid for....

I laughed out loud at "I even insert a few bugs here and there"

Magisch

@schizoid04 That's where overeffiency crosses into industrial sabotage

schizoid04

Right;

Magisch

The employer could argue that writing code whose sole purpose it is to falsify their records is industrial sabotage

motosubatsu

12:38 PM

I knew which question that was going to be before I even clicked the link :D

Richard U

It's interesting. This person is brilliant but abusing their skill.

schizoid04

The problem there is that given what he's done, it will be hard to come clean about the fact he's done this efficient thing;

motosubatsu

It's a tricky one in some respects, clearly in a lot of ways it's unethical - especially the"bugs"

schizoid04

"I've been using a tool for the past several months to automate my job."
"Then why do you still have so many bugs?? You must be a poor developer"

motosubatsu

but the flipside is that the actual output is still there

schizoid04

12:39 PM

^ regardless of fact that he's 'wasted' a lot of time that would have otherwise been available for company benefit

Magisch

Part of me is rooting for OP since it's clearly the company's fault

motosubatsu

and if the employer is getting that and don't have anything else for the OP to do then they aren't really losing

Magisch

another part of me is afraid that OP will get felony level fraud and industrial sabotage charges and a civil lawsuit to boot

motosubatsu

and I can understand that ethics might get a little blurry when you're talking about ensuring you still have a job and can feed yourself and your family

schizoid04

I think OP should just stop introducing bugs,

and take on more tasks to fill the time

maybe the employer will think he's superman when he can suddenly do the work of 10 men

Richard U

12:44 PM

At a previous job, my coworker and I had mastered the job to the point where we could get more done in 4 hours than the other two teams could do in eight, COMBINED.

schizoid04

maybe he'll mention he's automating crap when asked

Richard U

We slacked off for four hours a day, but did 4 times the work, should we have been fired?

DCON

This type of discussion is what I love about the workplace.

Magisch

@RichardU Probably should have been given tasks for the remaining 4 hours, tbh

Not disclosing that is a weakness of character (dishonesty) , so maybe

Richard U

@Magisch our boss knew, and approved.

Magisch

12:46 PM

Then it was ok

Key difference is the boss knows

schizoid04

Well, depending on region / culture, I could see that as being somewhat okay

Richard U

we were a union shop, so we were getting paid the same as the people who did 1/4 the work.

motosubatsu

you were working smarter not harder.. isn't that what us dev types are supposed to do?

Magisch

Once the boss knows and accepts that it becomes a normal work relationship where you get to have the perk of messing around for 4 hours

schizoid04

for example, you'll see people in unions doing tha.... oh there it is

very common thought process on that in unions

Richard U

12:47 PM

@motosubatsu that was actually when I was doing physical lavor, LOL

labor

motosubatsu

still... sounds like you knew your true calling even then

I always say devs are fundamentally driven to do what we do because we are lazy feckers

schizoid04

HOT NEW META QUESTION: Is it unprofessional to spend all day during work reading Workplace.stackexchange questions (Jk)

Magisch

@motosubatsu this is true

motosubatsu

why do a job a 1000 times when you can code it once and let the computer do it the 999 more times

schizoid04

@motosubatsu for me it's more like don't do it a third time LOL

Richard U

12:48 PM

@motosubatsu three virtues! threevirtues.com

Magisch

I regularly spend time automating things because I'd rather break my mind over something interesting and difficult then do busywork for 8 hours at a time

I detest inefficiency

motosubatsu

@schizoid04 would reading/answering that very question be unprofessional

:D

schizoid04

after someone asks me a third time in a relatively short period I start to put together little automation points in my head

@motosubatsu lmfao

motosubatsu

@RichardU So. F**king. True!!

Richard U

If you're lazy, impatient and arrogant, you're a great programmer.

motosubatsu

12:50 PM

@schizoid04 I do similar, I even try and preempt it these days and ask if it's something they maybe EVER want to do again, if so I at least do it in such a way as to allow for future automation

@RichardU No, I'm a freaking AMAZING programmer! :D

Richard U

I'd really be torn about that guy automating his job. I'd want him on my team if not for the dishonesty

schizoid04

"Please fill out form DilBert 102A. If this is something you need me to do in the future, check box two paying me 2 weeks salary to automate the task you're requesting."

motosubatsu

@RichardU It's the dishonesty that I think is the problem, although I do understand the fear of being let go

Richard U

I actually did something similar to what the poster did in that. I automatized my job, but I shared the code. It worked out well, they let me finish out the last two months of my contract by working at home where I could care for my dad.

In my case, I spent about 10 minutes a day working because the rest of the time, I was monitoring the systems. The systems couldn't handle my speed.

David K

@schizoid04 Been there, done that

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Q: My manager said I spend too much time on Stack Exchange. How can I prove its value?

I was recently speaking with my manager, who stated that while my work is satisfactory, they've been noticing I'm spending a lot of time of Stack Exchange. I find Stack Exchange to be very informative and helpful in my work. Particularly considering this Stack Exchange site has many users who sp...

time-management

179

Q: Team members spending too much time on Stack Overflow

Almost 8 months ago, I encouraged my team members to follow Stack Overflow so that they can read questions, help others, and build their skills. But now this has gotten out of hand. I have a team of 5 developers, and three of them each make at least 150 points on average during business hours. T...

team productivity online-presence team-building

schizoid04

12:56 PM

I ended up automating my job when I was a temp at a call center. Built an app that integrated with our new ITSM application (Which no one knew how to use and no one owned internally to administrate)

App condensed your entire job down to a series of buttons that would automate writing our and processing your support ticket for you on the phone

result - our 2 day training process for temp workers was condensed to four hours instead showing how to use said app instead of training them on how to do everything the app did in our ITSM tool,

hired on permanently (i was a temp at that point), later given ITSM administrator role to administrate the application I'd built this app for / to integrate with

IMO the op there probably wouldn't have lost his job if he shared the app early on and made note of it; once you get into that sort of thing you become somewhat difficult to replace if you're the only one with the knowledge to maintain said apps

Magisch

@schizoid04 could probably wring a cushy general IT admin position out of it

One of the guys here did that with the shipping application

schizoid04

2 years later I became an ITSM consultant for the app that it integrated with :P

I could point my entire career in the past couple of years to a simple, no-brainer software tool that was developed internally, mostly to help just myself, that once I finished, realized I could just let everyone else use too

Richard U

A mechanical keyboard being too loud? How did we get work done back when typewriters were in every office?

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Q: My colleague is using mechanical keyboard and it's very distracting

We've both started at this company a few weeks ago. They got a mechanical keyboard on day two or so and it's very distracting. I can hear it over music on earphones. Ideally I'd like them to use a different keyboard that is not loud. How can I approach this? Speak to them? Speak to our manager?

social-nuances

Masked Man

1:14 PM

@Magisch I just hope they don't take away his red stapler, or else the whole building would go up in flames.

motosubatsu

@RichardU funny you should post that as I was just off commenting on your answer :D

Only 6006 rep to go before the magical 10k

I might get there eventuallY!

Richard U

@motosubatsu It's funny. I've worked in shops with heavy equipment running and managed to get my work done. Am I just that old, jaded and cynical, or are the folks just getting softer, weaker, and more spoiled?

motosubatsu

Probably a little from column A and a lot from column B

there's a lot of Special Snowflakes out there that definitely weren't around even when I was starting out (which given I'm only 36 isn't that long ago)

I do think that some of the shift in what is considered acceptable working conditions has been good but a lot of what people are whinging about these days is such a non-issue it's untrue

either that or they have never really worked in truly unpleasant conditions and have no baseline (lucky them?)

Richard U

@motosubatsu This is the first full-time job in my life where I have not been working overtime. My father did until he retired. My grandfather went into semi-retirement for years after he could have just sat back

@motosubatsu yeah, I've had some nasty jobs in my day. maybe that;s part of it.

Feeds

1:31 PM

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Q: Voting for re-opening after having edited a closed question. Is that OK?

The question in question: My area of expertise at a new job is apparently being outsourced The comments indicate the lack of an explicit question as the closing reason. Personally, I felt there was an implicit question - but edited the question to make it explicit. Having done that, there are n...

discussion voting

motosubatsu

@RichardU yep.. I've recently gone contract and this is my first "proper" job where I'm doing negligible overtime

Magisch

1:47 PM

@RichardU I just don't do overtime

call me a lazy millenial but I don't care my free time is my free time and I sell my employer X hours a week and not more

Kaz

@Magisch Personally, I consider it a dark-grey area, right up until you start lying to your employer.

That's when you should know you've crossed a line.

Richard U

@Magisch when I was your age, I was working 70 hours per week.

@Kaz, agree

angarg12

I agree with @Magisch here, if I were to work 70 hours, I would expect getting paid that much. If I'm going to work that much I may as well work in personal projects

Kaz

It makes a huge difference if there's overtime pay or not.

I don't have any, so my baseline to aim for is "Show up, Be Awesome, Go Home".

And then be willing to go the extra mile when it needs to be done.

Richard U

@angarg12 Oh, I was getting paid, that's why I worked that much.

angarg12

1:59 PM

@RichardU then all is fine and dandy

Richard U

@angarg12 I inspired my brother to do the same. He's been very successful.

angarg12

how come?

Richard U

@angarg12? how come what?

angarg12

how come he has been very successful

I mean, I'm looking for tips

motosubatsu

I've been there done that with regards working 70hr weeks without overtime pay, that's why I now do contract work instead :)

Richard U

2:07 PM

@angarg12 He worked hard and rose to the top of his field, worked long hours, sometimes without paid overtime, and took every opportunity to advance. 100% honest in all his dealings, and never lied, even to his detriment. You get screwed at first, that ALWAYS happens, but then you build a reputation and that is the payoff. He can literally earn as much or as little as he wishes now.

@motosubatsu yeah, I'd never do that much overtime without being compensated somehow.

angarg12

this happened over which age span? I'm really curious

Richard U

@angarg12 about 20 years.

it's a slow journey

angarg12

oh well, that makes me feel better :)

Richard U

but reputation is everything.

angarg12

sometimes I have wondered

Richard U

2:10 PM

@angarg12 yes, I don't blame the younger folk. You grew up in an entirely different time where you are used to quick results. Build your reputation above all things. Value it, treasure it, nurture it and you will be successful.

angarg12

I'm glad I had my teens when social media didn't exist yet

Richard U

@angarg12 Social media is a distortion, it isn't reality

angarg12

but people is building reputation with their social profiles, I wonder if/how this will impact their career

motosubatsu

@RichardU one of those situations where it sort of crept on me rather than a conscious choice - I've always been happy to go above and beyond to get the job done (and of course it can have long term career benefits too) but it just got insane, there was too much work, no budget to get any help and the work just kept coming. My main boss was very supportive (she ordered me to take two weeks off at one point)

but the organisation as a whole was dysfunctional, ungrateful and generally rather toxic. I was just too burnt out to do anything

Magisch

@RichardU The flipside is I don't actually like money enough to justify that

I'll be able to live comfortably off of a normal full time salary easily

motosubatsu

2:13 PM

when I finally did escape I made a poor choice of replacement employer (because burnout) and ended up somewhere just as bad. 12 months and one extended nervous breakdown later I jumped ship and I've never been happier about a decision

@Magisch that's a great position to be in - actually understanding that money is a means to an end not a goal in of itself is wonderfully liberating

angarg12

@Magisch that is a perfectly valid strategy

Richard U

@Magisch I'm not saying you should. It's a valid approach.

motosubatsu

I know people who earn £100k + a year but literally have no time or energy to actually use that money

Magisch

I've never had that ravenous hunger for more stuff in me

and my hobbies are cheap or free

Richard U

@Magisch how about a desire to help people?

Magisch

2:15 PM

Part of what I do with my free time

But truth be told I don't care enough in general to want to work myself out so I can donate more money

I don't have much ambition beyond living a nice happy life and not working so much that it breaks me

angarg12

you know, most of my friends are not ambitious at all

as I said before, they are ok working a job that they don't like, and they just go doing sports or to drink a coffee with a friend on their spare time

but I didn't feel happy with my job so I left the country

Magisch

I have the advantage of liking programming

angarg12

although they didn't tell me directly, I think they feel betrayed that I left them

Magisch

So it's easy for me to find a job that I like

motosubatsu

@angarg12 working a job you don't like is infinitely more bearable if it's one that stays nicely contained inside of regular working hours

angarg12

2:18 PM

but I really really think that there is no right or wrong

some people have different preferences

they would be unhappy leaving family and friends, and that is perfectly valid and fine

schizoid04

@motosubatsu From what you've mentioned here, I think you might find the articles at MrMoneyMoustache.com to be a good read. It's a financial independance blog

motosubatsu

@schizoid04 blocked here at work but will check it out when I get home :)

Richard U

@Magisch why not earn all you can, save it up, then retire early, OR get to the point where working is an option, not an obligation. I know someone who did this so that they could become an archeologist

schizoid04

@motosubatsu def. check it out. Very inspiring; i just wish they'd write more than one article per month. Once you catch up on the reading there, you kind of stop visiting because of the low frequency of new material d:

Magisch

@RichardU I won't leave money on the table deliberately

I just wont break myself for it

Richard U

2:22 PM

@Magisch It's always good to have a nest egg, in case of emergencies

Magisch

I want to enjoy now and later and I don't see myself getting sick of programming or math anytime soon

@RichardU I have enough money saved up for moving + new furniture and clothes, if it comes to that

Richard U

@Magisch I didn't see myself as having a stroke at 40 either.

I just don't want to see others make the mistakes I have made

motosubatsu

@schizoid04 cheers :)

Magisch

By that logic I could die tomorrow

very possible

Kaz

There are lots of jobs I would really like to take at this point, but I can't, because it's been made an explicit possibility that if I stay here, I'll be CTO sometime in the next 4 years. And CTO of a Billion-Pound-Of-Assets Investment Management company, at 27, is a really hard opportunity to bail on.

motosubatsu

2:25 PM

@Magisch being able to enjoy both now and later is a good goal - a tricky balancing act for sure but not impossible

Kaz

@motosubatsu I'm managing, but only by giving up on a lot of potential salary somewhere else.

schizoid04

@Kaz at what point does that goal become unreachable, though? What if you were 21 and it was 10 years, not 4?

(Hinting at - a lot can change in just a couple of years)

Kaz

@schizoid04 Depends on how things develop in the meantime.

schizoid04

fair point

anyways; good chatting with y'all; must be getting onto my daily routine :)

Kaz

For as long as the trajectory continues in the direction I expect it to, I'm happy to stay and keep riding it higher.

In unrelated news: The number of people I now have the authority to delegate things to has expanded to ~2.5

motosubatsu

2:33 PM

@Kaz With the sort of path you've got laid out for you there I'd be doing the same as you I think

Kaz

@motosubatsu Yeah. I'm (very) young. I'm learning a tonne. I'm developing far faster here than I might somewhere else. And I've got the rest of a 40-year career for all of this to pay-off over. So it's a risk I'm willing to take.

motosubatsu

@Kaz Sounds sensible.. I'd probably have a mental note to review it every couple of years or so to make sure things were still in (and moving towards) a happy place for you but otherwise I'd just keep trucking on

Richard U

All I know is that I am going to come to a bad end

Kaz

@motosubatsu It's more like 3 months :)

motosubatsu

@Kaz stop being so on top of your sh*t... you're making the rest of us look bad!

Kaz

2:45 PM

@motosubatsu Don't worry, it's only a recent development. The previous 6 years more than offset it.

Sidney

3:55 PM

So, I have a philosophical question about the concept of employment and am looking for real world applications and examples of how that philosophy is put into practice. It's probably on topic on philosophy.se, but I'm thinking due to the workplace oriented nature of the question and the expertise on this SE, I might get batter answers here. IS there any precedent for if such a question would be on topic?

Masked Man

@Sidney It sounds like that would be way too abstract on the main site, but go ahead and ask your question here in chat.

Sidney

4:56 PM

Full disclosure, this was prompted by this question workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93696/…

I'm just curious why the large difference between an employer/producer who automates something and an employee who automates something. Ford could automate it's entire factory and for the most part keep the same prices -- it would just lower it's bottom line and rake in more profit. It would be unreasonable for consumers to say "You automated this, you obviously aren't spending as much resources, we expect you to charge less and innovate more".

At the same time, an individual could automate his job function, yet he is expected to then inform his boss, take on more work to fill the "time" he is paid for, or even risk being replaced by his own automation. We are paying ford for a car, not the amount time they spent making a car. Why is Ford paying an individual for his time, not the product of whatever time he spends?

Kaz

@Sidney For many, many reasons. Generally because employees are not paid per unit of output. They are paid for their time and their effort (generally speaking).

You can opt for different modes of employment with a different risk/reward profile (think commission-based sales, or performance-based bonuses) but most people don't.

Joe Strazzere

6:22 PM

@Sidney Some individuals are paid solely for their output. Think "piecework", "task work" or "commissioned sales". Others are paid hourly or by salary. Think of the converse - if a salaried or hourly worker worked for 8 hours but didn't produce any output, should they still be paid?

angarg12

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Q: Telling recruiter/potential new employee existing salary

I am currently looking for new jobs, and am currently on £X amount of money. I know I am currently underpaid, so when talking to recruiters I am bumping my current salary up in order to apply for jobs at an acceptable market rate for my work. This naturally progresses through into the interview s...

salary career-development

I had recruiters trying to force to disclose my current salary, arguing that 'you need to justify your next salary with your current one'

well, I think they are just trying to lowball you

Kaz

@angarg12 My go-to line is "My current employer considers that confidential information".

angarg12

in germany it is indeed illegal to disclose your salary

but they just kept insisting, so I walked away

Kaz

@angarg12 Regrettably, walking away is pretty much all you can do if they don't back down.

angarg12

6:37 PM

at that point, are you losing anything?

I mean, lets say I'm asking for 80k

if my current salary is 75k, they will accept, no otherwise? I doubt it

either they accept or not, and if they start beating around the bush, obviously they don't want to meet my expectations

Kaz

@angarg12 Pretty much. Just stand your ground, and if they want to hire you, they will.

Richard U

8:18 PM

@Kaz I'm going to use that one next time!

Kaz

@RichardU It has the added advantage of being demonstrably true ^^

Richard U

There's a new kind of sh*t testing for employees they're doing now. Interviewers are being deliberately abusive on the interview to see how far they can push you as an employee if they hire you.

SoylentGray

8:46 PM

@Enderland - Interpersonal Skills SE is now in closed beta. Can i post it on meta and see if anyone wants to be invited to it?

Also if anyone wants an invite ping me here

Richard U

@SoylentGray OOOH!!! OOOOH! ME ME ME ME ME!!!!

I have the interpersonal skills of an over-tired badger with rabies

SoylentGray

@RichardU whats your email... Ill let you know right away so you can delete it

enderland

@SoylentGray you can just link the area51 >.>

SoylentGray

its closed beta

you have to have an email to get in

enderland

false. I just joined

SoylentGray

8:53 PM

ohh cool

enderland

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Interpersonal Skills – interpersonal.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for the life skills we use every day to communicate and interact with other people.

Currently in private beta.

SoylentGray

When we created Workplace you had to be invited to get in for the first 3 or 4 days

I guess I assuemed it was still that way... made as ass out of u

:p

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Q: Interpersonal Skills SE is in Closed Beta

https://interpersonal.stackexchange.com/ I think this site will help with some of our issues with topicality.

discussion offtopic

enderland

oh man that site feels like a massive trainwreck waiting to happen

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SoylentGray

9:09 PM

Alot of people said that about here... and politics... so 5050

enderland

politics is a massive trainwreck :v

SoylentGray

I suspect that one is going to make politics look like a minor fender bender

but it will give us a place to throw those really bad questions like Programmers used to do to us

That site needs code that automatically rejects questions that contains with "How should I deal with" heck we need that here too

ROFL the irony... A question on IS already that probably belongs on TWP

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Q: How can I prevent an appearance of micromanaging someone?

I have a personality trait (desire to understand details and confirm them) that very often can be mistakenly perceived by people as micromanaging them (even though my intent in what I ask/say is purely centered on my mental details and NOT on what/how I want them to do). For example: Me: (notic...

delegation micromanaging tasks

enderland

lol I answered that one :P

though man that looks like a wasteland so far

SoylentGray

9:24 PM

@enderland Yeah I predict a swift and merciful death... but if not it will be like watching a train full of gasoline cars blow up 1 at a time :p

angarg12

9:42 PM

I just voted my first close, I feel like a responsible adult

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