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7:06 AM
@Tina_Sea Probably because I don't talk as much
Hahah nah I don't know really I think it's just not as popular and a lot of people have retired from TWP
 
 
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12:10 PM
@Twyxz I just start in here when that happened it looks like a few of them werent very happy
 
12:52 PM
@Tina_Sea Yeah a lot of people didn't agree with what had been happening
 
 
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Kaz
3:10 PM
@Twyxz Most of the regulars I knew from a couple of years back seem to have retired. Happens to most communities I guess.
 
 
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9:03 PM
hello
 
hi
started a private room if you like
 
it's fine also here
 
Ok, fine
 
well
thank you in advance for your time
 
so as i understand you screwed bad, you are in a weak position, and besides things kinda stink in management
 
9:05 PM
well
during the last meeting my senior told me that he saw an improvement
so I wouldn't say it's a non-recoverable position
I just paid extra attention to everything
but I fell kinda like if I am biking with the safety wheels on
 
i know the feeling, its not nice..
 
while maybe I could learn a lot more without those safety wheels
anyways
my manager is not a developer
so I can understand that for him there is no difference between not being able to do something for being not skilled, or not motivated enough
he just doesn't get it
but I think that if I say it I would get into an even worse position
it would just read as "I didn't like it, so I didn't do it well"
it sounds really bad to say
 
yea, to be honnest, you just have to play it like this is your fault, even if the situation is a bit more complex than that
its also part of learning that you have to test things with close attention too
 
I think it is my fault, even if not totally
 
i once got blamed really hard for sending things to Q/A without prior testing, despite being otherwise a skilled dev
 
9:10 PM
it's my first job and I don't know what is common in other companies
 
what is common is to test before send others to test, you won't cut past that
 
but let's say that you only modify one line of code
 
you test, still
 
which is the 1% of the task
and 99% is testing + configuration
yeah
 
so i think you should anticipate that and say "hey can we include xyz change with this task to only have one test round, this would be faster"
i dont see any better way, on the short run at least
 
9:12 PM
well
we have something like 20 apps and 11 devs
so most of the times we only have one task per app
let's say we have to change all of our banner
every team does it for 4-5 apps
and that's what we do in half sprint
 
frankly, taking half a sprint to change a banner is pathological, you must know that
 
well
nobody seems to be concerned about that
I am in a team of 3 people
it's considered normal ;(
I don't know... I would be curious to know how it is in other companies
 
I would be trying to change job if I were you, but that doesn't mean you would be done with that one, just a backup plan
 
yeah
this sounds like the best option for me
How is it in your company?
does it happen that you don't write one single line of code in an entire day?
 
well, im a backend dev, and tests are very long, but usually the requested changes are somewhat complex
it doesn't happen no
when i say long i mean 20 mins, and besides, you can still code when the test is running
 
9:17 PM
that's what I'm thinking, that maybe I would perform well if the coding part of the tasks was bigger
 
I agree, and if your management is aware of how long tests take, they should agree, but that's the part where they are faulty
 
they agreed that they want to automate the tests
but they don't want to let all developers contribute to the tests
 
this is nonsensical, frankly
 
only a very experienced developer who likes to program a lot in his free time
 
everyone should test his own code
 
9:19 PM
would start configuring the tests
and then after an initial "trial period"
we will be also writing tests
 
would you want to wait that long ?
 
well
I think I have no choice: I am a junior with only one year of experience. I can try to find more jobs but my chances are low, as most of the vacancies require 3 years of experience
I can still try though
 
you found once, why not twice ?
 
well
I was living in Italy
I am an iOS developer and I am looking for iOS dev jobs specifically
and I jumped to the first iOS dev that I got, which was in the Netherlands
now since I already have an apartment and everything
I want to find another job but close to where I live
in the Netherlands
 
and you're a bit in a niche...
 
9:22 PM
so let's say that I am filtering out like 99% of the world's available jobs for me
it was easier when I had no requirements and I was willing to move to any country
but if things get bad I can also accept to move away from the Netherlands
it's just not my first option now
 
ok, i see
so this is clear, you have to work hard to make things more rational and manageable
in a "sane" dev environment you are about 50/50 testing and developing
 
well it also depends on the period
this period was the worst
 
what would you want to progress on ? You mentionned backend, but you also said you want to work as iOS specialist, so ?
 
I'd like to progress as an iOS specialist with some backend knowledge. With the recent developments it's possible to write the backend in the same language as the frontend (swift), but we still have everything in PHP
so there will be a transition and we will rewrite our backend services in Swift
but I fear that also hear all the interesting tasks will go to the "tiger team" and to the tech lead
and "common developers" will not learn a lot on it
 
does the backend guy is a swift specialist ? It seems like he could use your help though, a rewrite is a lot of work
 
9:32 PM
he is kinda full stack, I'd say
yes I think (and also hope) that he will delegate a lot to the teams
anyways I can still check his commits between one task and another
ok, thank you very much for your time and your suggestions. I am going to bed now
goodbye
 
you need to find motivating things about this job, anyway, if that's not the work or learning, it has to be colleagues, anything
good night then
 

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