The Water Cooler

I read the meta discussion and comments underneath it, personally I'd be teethering between rude flag and normal deletion, not leaving it up and certainly not it getting 90 upvotes, what on earth

Twyxz

7:45 AM

25 downvotes

Magisch

Still undeleted, still positive score. The entire thing should be deleted, only question is should the poster also be banned or left alone

Twyxz

I saw the title the other day but I never opened the question

WHY did I not open the question...

Magisch

the cynic in me says if anyone from twitter gets wind of this TWP is in deep trouble

because damn there is bad optics but this is on a whole nother level

Twyxz

8:04 AM

The most recent question is proving difficult to answer

A lot of DV's very little feedback

Kepotx

imho, keeping it for yourself is a good advice, report accusation to HR is a bit too far

Magisch

The thing goes well beyond keeping it to yourself

disgusting and unethical as gaslighting is, even that part of the answer pales in comparison to the suggestion to abuse HRs aversion to lawsuits to just ruin the witness's entire career in response

Twyxz

There's something strange about this recent question

There seems to be two groups of people

And they're all just counteracting each others votes

Magisch

I hate to be that guy but if you come at that answer and question from the outside, you could get the following framing: "So a guy did something supremely inappropriate at work and it was possibly witnessed by a female coworker. How does stack exchange propose to remedy the situation? Not to come clean, but to double down and try to pressure her into not reporting it, and failing that working, threaten to throw all the weight of his seniority and threats of lawsuits around to get her to back"

"down or ruin her career". Now thats a sensationalist but not entirely baseless view of the situation.

What do you think happens if this gets outside attention?

Twyxz

But atm the OP is unsure

that's the whole thing

If mentioned 100% he should come clean

if not, then you can never be sure

Magisch

8:11 AM

Thats not the answer stack exchange has given though

assume the perspective of an outsider, what do they see? The answer is still at +69, and low rep users cant see vote breakdowns

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Kepotx

it will soon reach second rank, and isn't the accepted answer

Twyxz

But the answer is saying exactly that, pretend it didn't happen. The only thing it misses is what to do if it does happen to be the case that she witnessed it

Magisch

Thats a pretty big miss still

one of the properties of highly upvoted SE questions is people adapt the advice within to similar but not equivalent situations. It's not a stretch to assume someone accused of something similar would find that and go "well this seems like a way to get out unscathed".

Kepotx

@Twyxz this. While not very ethical, such as the act itself, it will help the OP. If the female dude never make "false" accusation, no harm done

Magisch

Also, the advice to not kick the ball off yourself is represented in the accepted answer, so the other one adds no value

Kepotx

8:17 AM

well, they are not exactly the same

Twyxz

I might add an extension in my own answer

2 days old but still active

Kepotx

accepted one is "you don't know what she witnessed, so better say nothing" while the other is more 1984-ish as a comment said

Twyxz

@Snow Morning Snowy

Snow

Morning. Well, it sure sucks to be back at work.

Magisch

I think the other is such bad advice and bad optics that it should be nuked from low orbit

before it gets external reactions and kicks off another wave of nonsense targeted at SE

Kepotx

8:20 AM

easter monday is a public holiday in UK too?

Twyxz

yep @Kepotx

and good Friday

Kepotx

depends on what you consider a good answer. You can alter memory with lies, including your own memory, so it is a perfectly valid answer to deny everything, but can be seen borderline-ethical. Harm other people's career to defend yourself is unethical, but is still a valid way to handle the situation

Snow

I pretty much trust Monica's judgment there. She didn't delete the answer. The question itself smells awfully of being made up. People do this kind of thing at the weekend as they know there's less people around to get things closed.

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Magisch

I think its a bad idea and supremely bad optics to leave it up

And the fact that it was left up is quite surprising and disconcerting to me

Twyxz

To be fair, I have had a lot of these cases in my workplaces I've been in

Store cupboards, toilets, staffrooms

It's actually a pretty common things these days hahahaha

Damn the review queues are pretty much empty for once, someones on the ball

Snow

8:57 AM

Is that square is B&Q orange or Orange Mobile orange?

Twyxz

Bit of both really, you want a paint brush? We got that. You want a SIM card? We got you!

2 days till end game

and I can say I'm a little excited to spend 3 hours of my time in a dark black room with hundreds of nerds

Snow

There won't be hundreds of nerds in with you. They'll be in the next screen watching Endgame.

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Twyxz

Ahhahahahahahahhahahaha

It's early ._.

Oof, like it was never there

Snow

I have my ticket sorted out for Thursday.

Twyxz

I saw the holy trinity of cars in Hong Kong

motosubatsu

9:01 AM

morning all

Twyxz

In the flesh

Firequacker

motosubatsu

indeed

Twyxz

First time I've ever seen any of the 3 in person

And saw all 3 in 2 weeks

Snow

Capri, Cortina, Escort?

motosubatsu

is there anywhere in HK you can actually drive them, or is it like people who pootle around inner london in lambos

Twyxz

9:04 AM

@Snow Corsa, Vectra, Astra

@motosubatsu Yeah on the roads, if you have money, the police pretend you don't exist

and if you do get caught, have some cash handy

Kepotx

took me a while to understant that Capri, Cortina and Escort were car names and not superheroes names. Sorry, total noob on both subject

Snow

Sigh. I forget that people are young.

Twyxz

@Kepotx What do you mean? Cortina is the thing that talks back to you

(sarcasm)

Kepotx

@Snow not sure that's related to my young age. I struggle to remember the brand of my own car

Twyxz

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A: Co-worker works way more than he should

It doesn't matter if he enjoys or hates the job but there are rules like no work on public holidays that shouldn't be broken as that maybe against the law of the land. In some cases it can also create bad name for the company for over working and create a culture of overworking like how it is in...

I flagged gnashers comment

but it was rather funny

motosubatsu

9:12 AM

@Twyxz it's gone now.. what did it say?

Twyxz

"I upvoted to annoy you"

newguy

@Twyxz gnasher said it to Sourav Ghosh

Twyxz

yeah

Snow

I'm working at home today, and have electricians in to do some work. All the power is off except for two sockets (laptop and internet). I'm denied coffee.

newguy

Why are you denied coffee?

Twyxz

9:16 AM

@newguy Because coffee requires hot water

and hot water requires a socket, in most cases

newguy

Oh here we use natural gas usually for cooking

motosubatsu

@Snow um.. can you not use the laptop on battery for long enough to plug in your coffee apparatus and do it's thing?

Twyxz

Or just stop working, and have a coffee in peace

Sounds good to me

newguy

@Twyxz You can boil the water on the gas as well right

Twyxz

Work isn't important anyway

@newguy Yeah but that's using your brain

Snow doesn't have coffee, therefore brain isn't working

newguy

9:21 AM

LOL

Twyxz

@motosubatsu I test drove an RS5

motosubatsu

@Twyxz verdict?

Twyxz

@motosubatsu Too slow tbh :P

However I did hear talk of a Clio RS 2019

and that sounds like a go kart to me... And I like go karts

Snow

Papa?

motosubatsu

@Snow Nicole?

Twyxz

9:29 AM

@avazula Ava stalking post 10:00 am

avazula

@Twyxz oh, now you're orange! yay!

motosubatsu

@Twyxz blasphemy! hehe.. j/k, if it's not for you it's not for you

Twyxz

@motosubatsu Nah I liked it hahaha it was nice

motosubatsu

@Twyxz was it a recent one? (so V6 TFSI)

Twyxz

Yep brand new

well

ish

I want to have a go of a C63AMG as well

But the Clio is definitely getting an upgrade, to another Clio if the publically release a CLio RS 19

A paddleshift renault Clio? What more could you need

motosubatsu

9:31 AM

@Twyxz I've not drive a C63.. but they look and sound awesome and have a stellar reputation

@Twyxz I think I must be getting boring.. I rarely use the paddles in the RS5

Twyxz

It's not as curvy as the other Mercs, sharper edges

and I like that

@motosubatsu But that isn't a Clio :P

Do you just let it run in auto

@avazula Forever changing

motosubatsu

@Twyxz I concur.. something's gone a bit squiffy in the Merc design dept, the back end of the current C-class is awful - and it doesn't match the front half either

@Twyxz most of the time yes.. I'll switch into "manual" mode if I'm out for a B-road blast or I'll tap a paddle if I need a gearchange at a point where I'm anticipating something that I can see (but obviously the 'box can't) but other than that I just the the computer do it's thing

Twyxz

@motosubatsu Yeah that's what I mean, the C-class back end looks weird. Like really weird

motosubatsu

@Twyxz all unnecessarily droopy

Twyxz

I think once you use the paddles a few times the novelty just wears off

Car goes fast enough as it is

The difference on such a quick car is not a lot if you use the paddles

couple of miliseconds probably

@motosubatsu Everyone seems to like the C-Class design as well

motosubatsu

9:45 AM

@Twyxz yep.. in fact in the hands of all but the best drivers using the paddles is going to be slower than not

@Twyxz I certainly see enough of the fugly things around!

Twyxz

@motosubatsu But they're paddles, makes you feel like you're fast :)

@motosubatsu The C63 Has a flatter back and is a lot more square in my opinion, looks a lot better but comes with a much greater price tag

motosubatsu

@Twyxz they're worth it just for the nice throttle blip on downshifts

Twyxz

@motosubatsu I mean most C classes are pretty reliable, even the old ones there's still plenty of those on the roads with the badge shooting out of the bonnet

motosubatsu

@Twyxz yeah barring a few years at the start of last decade where things got a bit wobbly Merc are generally pretty reliable

Twyxz

They want to be with the cost of parts and repairs @motosubatsu

motosubatsu

10:00 AM

@Twyxz yeah not cheap things to run - although not particularly any worse than a comparable BMW or Audi

Twyxz

I wouldn't mind an I8, didn't like it to begin with but it's really grown on me

Obviously that's not a next car in reality but still

motosubatsu

@Twyxz they look great in the metal IMO

Twyxz

Merc don't really have a "super car" that's available to publicly purchase do they? BMW have the I8, Audi the R8, even nissan have the GTR. The closest thing I can think of is the AMG GT

I would like to see Nissan release a saloon car

motosubatsu

@Twyxz the GT counts I'd say, as does the S65 coupe

Twyxz

I guess so

It's still pretty ugly

Finally hit 15k rep

motosubatsu

10:19 AM

@Twyxz congrats :)

Mister Positive

10:41 AM

Greetings

Twyxz

Just about morning @MisterPositive

Mister Positive

I need coffee....congrats on 15K

Twyxz

@MisterPositive I need sleep I think, can't stop thinking about cheesecake

..and I don't even like cheesecake...

motosubatsu

10:59 AM

@Twyxz sleep is good.. as is cheesecake

Twyxz

@motosubatsu but so is driving around like a chav in my ST

Mister Positive

11:11 AM

@motosubatsu Agreed.....cheese cake...

Twyxz

12:06 PM

Finally updated my SE Profile bio

So bored, coming back to work was a stupid idea

Twyxz

12:33 PM

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Q: One night relation found to be the married project leader

2 and a half months ago I changed job, moving to a new city, far away. I arrived in the new city a few days before my supposed starting date and the weekend before my supposed starting date I went out, looking for fun (adult fun …). In a local club I met a woman, a few drinks, one thing leads to...

Inputs anyone?

motosubatsu

@Twyxz looks like a thinly veiled "I had sex!!" brag to me

CBA with that sort of crap

fresh account.. lots of unnecessary salacious details.. YAWN

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@Twyxz Its a story there is no real question their

Twyxz

Funny

Did you see the tagged counterpart question?

Let's close this one before it reaches that sort of level I guess

motosubatsu

and... it's gone

nice one @MisterPositive

Twyxz

That was pretty quick

Mister Positive

12:45 PM

@motosubatsu Not sure what your talking about... ;-)

IDrinkandIKnowThings

must have been some shenanigans beyond the improbable story

Mister Positive

@IDrinkandIKnowThings Seems like we are having a rash of these types of questions....

motosubatsu

@MisterPositive possibly an itchy rash? in ahem private areas?

Mister Positive

perhaps...they do make ointment for that I believe....

Twyxz

Probably his plan all along

IDrinkandIKnowThings

12:50 PM

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Q: Co-worker works way more than he should

I work in a research facility in Germany. I have lots of co-workers that are from other countries, mostly part of some international collaborative research projects. There's one guy from China who's in his office almost every day including the weekend and also stays pretty late. I live more or l...

work-environment colleagues ethics germany work-time

another story posing as a question

motosubatsu

@IDrinkandIKnowThings it's not particularly well worded but I think it's closer to having an actual question in it than the other one

although I see it's already attracted the local village idiots who are spouting their usual brand of crap

Twyxz

Does anyone ever wonder if most of these questions are just fake accounts from a high rep existing user?

I personally think Moto gets a kick out of it

motosubatsu

1:07 PM

@Twyxz lol.. I barely have time to post from my own account let alone create sock puppets and invent such wibble

Magisch

whats the history behind name + ava btw @moto ?

Twyxz

Covering his tracks

It sounds like something you would write

the next one - "I have a nice car, girls love me how do I stop my manager from coming on to me because of my car"

Magisch

I know someone who relishes in his work and has to be physically prevented from putting in 80 hour weeks

granted, they work for a nonprofit, but still

Twyxz

name + ava?

Magisch

the name motosubatsu with the burning duck

Twyxz

1:11 PM

oh avatar

I remember him telling the story but I cant' remember the story so do enlighten us @motosubatsu

motosubatsu

@Magisch the name comes from a joking comment a friend made about my car a few years back (the context would take waaayyy too long to explain and would bore you to tears) and I kinda liked it so it stuck. The avatar.. at a previous contract the company held a charity rubber duck race and everyone drew a name out of the hat for "their" duck and mine was called "Firequacker" so it amused me to create an avatar around the name

Twyxz

1:29 PM

Guessing it links to Subaru

motosubatsu

@Twyxz indeed

Twyxz

@motosubatsu If you were to get a new car now, what would it be and why

motosubatsu

@Twyxz don't know tbh.. I'm still rather enjoying the RS5 and I haven't really had the itch

Twyxz

Oooof, wrong answer!

Twyxz

1:51 PM

The newest question has been the newest question for so long that my mediocre answer is still getting votes

-4

Q: Is it true that fathers dont care about their kids after their mother dies?

I notice when the mother dies then the father just remarries and forgets about his kids in general. When fathers die, the mother still look after the kids.

family

This is so odd

motosubatsu

@Twyxz popped my head into IPS earlier and saw that one, it's good to see that IPS continues it's run as the general toilet of the network

Twyxz

I've only just noticed, has Richard left?

What kind of stupid question is that anyway

motosubatsu

@Twyxz yeah

Twyxz

@motosubatsu I was thinking who is retired codger

His retirement post wasn't really well taken either

avazula

2:09 PM

@motosubatsu :'(

Kepotx

same as his previous meta post

Magisch

@motosubatsu Look who's talking considering this weekend's HNQ

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IPS is trying hard and there are lots of good people there, I think.

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avazula

As every SE site, we sometimes get ~~terrible~~ bad contributions from new users. The issue is that those bad contributions can go terribly wrong due to the nature of IPS

Twyxz

TOXIC

avazula

@Twyxz Did someone summon Britney?

Twyxz

2:20 PM

unethical

motosubatsu

@Magisch oh TWP runs it a close second for some awful questions no doubt, and I have no doubt there are some people who are working very hard and doing their best to make IPS work

avazula

@motosubatsu :D

Twyxz

@avazula It's Britney B**ch

Kepotx

@motosubatsu the problem I see with IPS is indeed some clickbaity/oddish question rather than the active community

motosubatsu

@avazula it's no secret that I have had my.. unpleasant experiences with people on IPS. But that doesn't mean I don't want it to succeed

avazula

2:23 PM

@motosubatsu I know :/

We sure need to work on how to make the site more inclusive to everyone, including valuable users from other communities across the network

it ain't easy though

motosubatsu

@avazula definitely.. I don't know what the answer is so I won't pretend to know how to make it work

I just know that of all the various stacks I've contributed to it's the only one where I felt seriously unwelcome - that said I know better than to venture into SO! :D

avazula

3:06 PM

:/

I'd really would like to be able to make you feel welcomed

motosubatsu

@avazula and genuinely I really appreciate that.. and FWIW you are definitely not one of the people/reasons why my experiences there didn't go well

IDrinkandIKnowThings

7:32 PM

I know nothing about Amazon or their hiring process but let me answer your question about that anyway....

Monica Cellio

9:22 PM

@Snow Monica wasn't sure whether to mod-hammer it or wait for the community to take it down (given recent meta complaints about moderators actually moderating), so wanted to consult another mod, but it was the weekend...

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