The Water Cooler

avazula

8:57 AM

@DarkCygnus woa

that's huge

Twyxz

Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrr hey

Kepotx

Hello ~~World~~ Water Cooler

avazula

hello

Twyxz

whats the world?

avazula

you mean what's the water cooler?

Twyxz

9:06 AM

No, I most definitely know what the water cooler is

avazula

haha

motosubatsu

9:17 AM

mornin all

Twyxz

@motosubatsu time to leave jeez

motosubatsu

@Twyxz did I scare you off again?

Kepotx

@Twyxz Hello World is a common phrase among devs, as it's usually the output of the first program you do in new language

motosubatsu

+[-->-[>>+>-----<<]<--<---]>-.>>>+.>>..+++[.>]<<<<.+++.------.<<-.>>>>+.

Kepotx

I should learn this language one day

Twyxz

9:34 AM

@Kepotx I was being sarcastic haha, meaning I didn't know what the world outside the water cooler was

@motosubatsu nods

Kepotx

Another funny (and much more readable) language is SPL, Shakespeare Programming Language

Pointy Haired Boss

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Q: Bug when I want to view Badge information

I don't know whether it is just me or anyone happen to see this too. When I open a badge to select any badge to see the information, its like bug to bottom. I cannot scroll until the bottom.

Kepotx

@Twyxz Oh. I'm awful to detect sarcasm in real life, it's even more trueon internet

rath

10:05 AM

@Kepotx That's what we get when the word fascist has been degraded to be synonymous with authoritarian

Twyxz

I'm gonna create a youtube channel but I don't know what on ahhaa

motosubatsu

@Twyxz Confessions of a Chav: My life driving a Focus ST

Twyxz

Hahah with the money earn I'll have to upgrade @motosubatsu RS7 I think

I could make a documentary on you. "The middle aged man who thinks he drives fast"

motosubatsu

@Twyxz saw a modded RS7 at the Pod a few years back - not sure on the full mods but I know it was running race-spec fuel. It was like a luxury ICBM!

@Twyxz Middle-aged?? cheeky sod!

Twyxz

10:21 AM

@motosubatsu "past his time" then

Kepotx

10:40 AM

I don't know what Focus ST looks like, neither RS7, but I know for sure that an ICBM is not the best vehicle regarding safety. Still a good way to earn the respect of your neighbours.

Fabinout

Hello, I have a question that surely has been already asked, but I don't find anything related to this, so maybe you can answer me here quickly.

avazula

@Fabinout what's up?

Fabinout

In the yearly evaluation, my employer asked "do you have any private project that would impact negatively our organization?", is this legal to ask this kind of question ? I know this directly concerns pregnancies, so it is surely immoral to ask, but is it legal ?

avazula

@Fabinout in which country is this? Law largely depends on that

Fabinout

France

avazula

10:43 AM

Ha, well

I'm from France and I can assure you it's illegal for them to ask

But I'm mostly dazzled by the way they asked you this: "do you have any private project that would impact negatively our organization?" - why having a child would obviously be negatively impacting the company?

Fabinout

Ok, thanks, another question then, how can you approach your manager saying this is illegal without putting your career at risk ?

I translated from french, original question was "Quels sont vos projets personnels pouvant avoir des conséquences sur votre activité professionnelle ?"

avazula

@Fabinout I'd answer "no". Telling your manager that it's illegal for them to ask would likely put you in a delicate position. Even if you consider becoming a parent, that's none of their business. That's what HR always told me: "answer no anyway".

I'd suggest you google "rh voulez vous des enfants", surely it'll help you find interesting resources on how to answer and why you should say that no, you don't have any personal projects that'd negatively impact the business

Kepotx

also, the question may be broad enough to not be seen as asking if you want child or not. Still, your employer should not ask you questions about your private life

avazula

@Kepotx Exactly. It's pretty obvious where they wanna go with this but still it's not directly asking about parenthood

Fabinout

I feel frustrated knowing you can't do anything about this without endangering your career.

avazula

10:49 AM

@Fabinout I know :( that sucks

Ælis

@Fabinout You could also reply by something that would positively impact your job. Or act like you didn't understand that this was about having child

Kepotx

@avazula the original question doesn't seem to have the negative aspect. A child could obviously have impacts, like leaving sooner to take the child from school

avazula

@Kepotx well they explicitely said "that would impact negatively our organization"

becoming a parent or having another child could also boost your happiness and make you more productive, idk

Ælis

@avazula Not in the French version: "pouvant avoir des conséquences sur votre activité professionnelle ?"

Kepotx

"Quels sont vos projets personnels pouvant avoir des conséquences sur votre activité professionnelle ?" => no negative

but yeah, there are lot of good points in having child

Fabinout

10:52 AM

But that's implied

avazula

Oh right, my bad guys, I was referring to the English version

Fabinout

yeah, I mistranslated that one

avazula

@Fabinout but I think you got it right

Kepotx

another good point is stability. You will probably move less once you have family

I young person without a family could decide to go to another city/country, try new things, while someone with a family will probably stay in the same area, and have more incentive to keep a stable job as other peoples depend on his salary

motosubatsu

@Fabinout I'm guessing there's a french thing I'm missing here.. is "project" a euphemism for pregnancy?

Twyxz

11:42 AM

I left a comment which likely would've ended up with more upvotes as an answer... rip haha

I could've maxed out for the day

avazula

@motosubatsu well, some hr and management people may put it that way... Its quite common in France. Since they're forbidden to ask whether they have or want children, they may confuse the person asked with such an euphemism

motosubatsu

@Twyxz and now you see the other side of why not to answer in comments

Twyxz

11:58 AM

@motosubatsu It hurts so bad ._.

motosubatsu

@avazula how bizarre! setting aside the obvious moral dubiousness of doing that it surely can't be effective since the candidate can simply ignore any "hidden" meaning and just answer the question as asked

Twyxz

That picture question can't be real

avazula

@motosubatsu yup. That's stupid.

motosubatsu

@Twyxz I can't hear you over the sound of all the violins playing just for you :D

Twyxz

~Hello darkness my old friend~

motosubatsu

12:01 PM

@Twyxz ~I've come to talk with you again ~

Twyxz

Someone else just upvoted to rub salt into wound

Kepotx

project has broad meaning when talking to normal people, it can be your career, if you want child, where you want to live... but yeah, some HR folk ask this as it's illegal to ask family-related question

So a good way is to answer to others kind of project

like, I want to buy a home far enough from the city to have my own garden and harvest some plants to reach food independence

motosubatsu

@Kepotx probably a cultural thing.. I don't think I've ever heard someone refer to having a child as a "project" :D

avazula

@Kepotx they could still redirect the question afterward, as in "intimate projects". But in that case it'd be easier to dismiss.

@Kepotx Is this a plan of yours? If so, I'm sure we could get along :D

Kepotx

no direct impact for your work, you still answer the question, and if the guy keep asking, it become obvious he ask for child

Twyxz

12:06 PM

The recent question, other than asking for salary i'm sure all those questions are standard?

P.S. IANAL

Or anything for that matter

Kepotx

@avazula well, yes. I'm in Nantes only for an internship, I plan to get back to basque country where I come from

motosubatsu

@avazula if someone did that I'd just "play dumb" and "innocently" ask them "what is meant by an intimate project?"

Kepotx

reaching total independence require hard work, so it may not be compatible with full time job, but having a small garden would be a good start

avazula

@motosubatsu We French people have a problem with how we see work. It's both one of our most important things in life yet we constantly rant about it. We, women, are strongly encouraged to wait before becoming mothers, yet if we get to see a doctor and ask for permanent birth control they'd say "but what if you want (more) children later? What does your husband think about that?". It's exhausting, honestly.

@motosubatsu I'd do so too :)

@Kepotx Basque country is great for that I guess. I spent half my life in Brittany and the other half in Picardie, both big lands for crops

Kepotx

@avazula yes, sadly. Another big thing is when you want child, the "what about your career" questions

@avazula quite touristic so land is expensive in some areas, but it's usually near the coast and in populated areas, whereas I personally prefer mountain and countryside

avazula

12:11 PM

Right now in France there's a law project for dismissing a financial fund for physicians that were proved wrong in trials if they caused harm to patients. The gynecologists reacted with a strike threat along the lines of "should this law be amended, we'd stop practicing abortion. It's a constant battle for our rights...

@Kepotx I love the spain border area, like Cauterets and such. I used to go there a lot as a child.

Magisch

12:25 PM

@SouravGhosh that GDPR question is a bad idea to answer

the answer depends on facts OP hasn't provided, as well as their exact country of origin because some of this differs from country to country depending on the laws fleshing it out

Although trustworthiness and everything else you listed is also Personal Information

Sourav Ghosh

@Magisch So, shall we redirect to law.stackexchange.com?

Magisch

where GDPR doesn't differentiate between sensitive and non sensitive personal information, only special categories of personal information, which none of the things you talk about are

yes, i voted to close as legal advice

Sourav Ghosh

@Magisch OK, thanks for the advice....will keep that in mind

Magisch

I would just not get into the adjudicating GDPR beehive in general, it's fickle, changing sometimes monthly and very fact specific

and as always even with lawyers you get the whole 3 lawyers 5 opinions bit as a lot of tenents aren't fully adjudicated yet.

motosubatsu

was just looking at that question

other than the age question everything was essentially bog standard reference questions

Twyxz

12:34 PM

The recent question, other than asking for salary i'm sure all those questions are standard?
P.S. IANAL
Or anything for that matter

Did you miss

when I said this

motosubatsu

yeah salary true

Twyxz

You're the worst.

motosubatsu

yeah I missed it

my eyesight isn't what it used to be.. what with me getting old and all :P

Twyxz

Neither is your attention span, wake up granda'

Fabinout

@Kepotx I'm in Bordeaux and I studied in Nantes :)

motosubatsu

12:37 PM

@Twyxz wha?? oh yes.. I'd love some tea thanks

..and biscuits.. I do hope there are biscuits!

Twyxz

@motosubatsu I have malTEAsers? I hope that'll do

Magisch

@motosubatsu The devil's as always in the detail with these though. Technically speaking an employer is required to notify the job seeker and for some deeper questions depending on the job sought and the specific circumstances of the application they may have to ask for permission to ask some of them

motosubatsu

@Magisch for the trustworthiness, whether they left or resigned no permission is required

same for reliability and whether they would re-hire

none of that information is considered confidential

the asker mis tagged their question by using GDPR

I share your frustration with the fact that people keep throwing that term around without the first clue about what it actually means

it's actually a bigger drag than dealing with the eleventy million pop ups you have to click on every day just trying to browse the web

Magisch

12:53 PM

@motosubatsu Permission prolly not, prior notification most likely yes

Richard U

@motosubatsu The GDPR is too clandestine for me to even attempt to answer anything about it.

Magisch

Also depends on the jurisdiction, country and its laws and the current jurisprudence

In germany it's BDSG 26 1,2 and 3 afaik

It's also annoyingly dependant on what the court in questions reads into Art. 6 b)

On that question, OP is also in england, which is going to complicate things with brexit in mind if OP decides to seek any redress

motosubatsu

@Magisch nope

no prior notification required for those

@Magisch not really.. GDPR largely aligns with the prior Data Protection Act, and even if/when the Brexitpocalypse comes along and fucks up what's left of our country it would only matter what was in effect at the time of the alleged contravention

@RichardU it's complex certainly - but nowhere near as complex as people make it out to be

Magisch

@motosubatsu How do you square that opinion with Art 14 GDPR?

motosubatsu

IMO GDPR questions are perfectly legitimate and on topic here (when they are connected to the workplace obviously) - it's something that decent HR pros (or employers where there is no in-house HR) should know about

@Magisch easy.. it's NOT data for purposes of the GDPR

Magisch

1:07 PM

How do you figure?

Personal information is defined as any kind of information relating to a person

motosubatsu

if they were requesting to see the person's employment file that would be

Magisch

The fact that motosubatsu has blue eyes is PI

so is Motosubatsu is a reliable worker

"Motosubatsu has visited the website Workplace.Stackexchange.com on 20.03.2019 14:09 GMT" is also PI

assuming I correlate it with a person I can identify (i.E an applicant)

motosubatsu

@Magisch in a form that is being "processed" yues

Sourav Ghosh

@Magisch Well, my team says I'm a good employee

motosubatsu

NOT if that information is in someone's head

Sourav Ghosh

1:10 PM

my manager says, I'm not a good employee

Magisch

gathering information for the purposes of making a determination to hire or not counts as processing

motosubatsu

(obviously I am speaking from a UK perspective)

Sourav Ghosh

so which one is the "information"?

Magisch

information does not need to be saved or used to base a decision off of to count as processing

this is EU wide

motosubatsu

@Magisch which is the prospective employer's processing - which they have a suitable lawful purpose for

Sourav Ghosh

1:11 PM

@Magisch True, but how come reliability is an information?

Magisch

@motosubatsu having a lawful suitable purpose is a requirement yes but does not absolve you from notification duties outlined in art 14

Sourav Ghosh

@motosubatsu Yes, as per my understanding...I also believe this

Magisch

See art 4 1) and 2) to read about what counts as personal data and processing

motosubatsu

@Magisch ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG‌GGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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art 14 DOES NOT APPLY

Magisch

why not? Even if you have a fully lawful purpose for processing personal data it applies

Art 14 is about any personal data you collect not directly from the data subject

> ‘processing’ means any operation or set of operations which is performed on personal data or on sets of personal data, whether or not by automated means, such as collection, recording, organisation, structuring, storage, adaptation or alteration, retrieval, consultation, use, disclosure by transmission, dissemination or otherwise making available, alignment or combination, restriction, erasure or destruction;

motosubatsu

1:15 PM

The GDPR applies to the processing of personal data that is:
wholly or partly by automated means; or
the processing other than by automated means of personal data which forms part of, or is intended to form part of, a filing system.

^ this is from the ICO

Magisch

I just quoted the direct text of the gdpr to you

whether its automated or electronical has no bearing on it, only if its a business doing it

motosubatsu

and I just quoted the ICO definition of personal data for GDPR purposes

Magisch

yeah, GDPR > ICO

unless specificed by the GDPR otherwise

motosubatsu

IE this is the UK's legal interpretation of the term from GDPR

FFS

Magisch

whether or not by automated means

motosubatsu

1:17 PM

ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/…

Magisch

idk who greenlit that but our lawyer would have a field day with them

motosubatsu

the GDPR text is intentionally as broad as possible in order to allow member states to interpret in a suitable way to match their own legal systems

Magisch

A lawyer presenting had this exact discussion with another DPO at a conference I attended 2 days ago

saying that its safe to assume everywhere in the EU that if you're a business, literally anything you do with PI is processing

and literally any use of PI in any way needs to be GDPR justified

motosubatsu

@Magisch ico = information commissioners office

was that conference in the UK? was the lawyer a UK solicitor?

I'm not trying to be a dick here

Magisch

The general protections of the GDPR apply EU wide

motosubatsu

1:20 PM

but I've been eyeballs deep in GDPR both for clients and for my own business for ~ 2 years

Magisch

A company in the UK couldn't hide behind that if they did this with my info

is the ICO a legal court order or judgement making a determination of fact?

@motosubatsu I spent the better part of since it went into effect implementing it in my company

motosubatsu

@Magisch well come back to me when you've implemented it for multiple companies and your own personal business IN THE UK

Magisch

are you sure you're not relying on a omission in a guide website rather then the actual law

this is what I hate about legal discussions

motosubatsu

@Magisch yes

I am sure

Magisch

neither of us is qualified to answer it and we both look like we're talking out of our behinds

motosubatsu

1:23 PM

"The Information Commissioner's Office in the United Kingdom, is a non-departmental public body which reports directly to Parliament "

@Magisch no YOU are talking out of your behind

Magisch

I don't know how you can interpret any ambiguity into whether or not by automated means, such as collection, recording, organisation, structuring, storage, adaptation or alteration, retrieval, consultation, use, disclosure by transmission, dissemination or otherwise making available, alignment or combination, restriction, erasure or destruction;

thats the literal text of the law that was enacted EU wide and supersedes all national laws and regulations contravening it

It literally says whether automated or not automated

no mention of a filing system or anything

there is also no opening clause I know of that would allow a national law to supersede this definition

Pointy Haired Boss

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Q: Tag synonym: [legal] and [law]

I noticed that we have tags both for legal (189 questions) and law (73 questions). I think the two words are pretty much synonymous, so I would propose having law redirect to legal. Unfortunately I don't have the reputation required to add a synonym to legal. Could you please propose and/or vote...

discussion retag-request synonym-request

Magisch

i'll stop this discussion here, it's clearly gotten heated and I respect you as a person so lets agree to disagree

motosubatsu

@Magisch because GDPR is a regulation not a law therefore the primacy in Costa v. ENEL doesn't apply

Magisch

I'll stop this discussion now

entire point is moot in a week anyways

motosubatsu

1:34 PM

@Magisch well in a week (if we leave) we become a "third country" in GDPR terms - the DPA 2018 (which is our implementation law for GDPR) will still apply though - so for any situation where all parties are subject to UK law then the answer in a week will be the same as it is now

Magisch

point

this entire thing is legal advice questions anyways, which mean they're off topic and shouldn't be answered

motosubatsu

@Magisch legal questions are fine where it's something a reasonable HR pro should know

Magisch

also a particularly cheeky person could make the argument that in the event of hiring or not hiring this would go into the application file or personell file, thus being intended as part of a file system

I would never take the risk of doing that personally, it's so not worth it (not informing at least after collecting the info, I mean)

motosubatsu

@Magisch and once it was in that filing system (defined via DPA as "any structured set of personal data which is accessible according to specific criteria, whether held by automated means or manually and whether centralised, decentralised or dispersed on a functional or geographical basis.") it would be covered

Magisch

so what you're saying is if you ask it it isn't covered but if you use it in the application process in any way it is

Isn't that kind of a useless distinction? Of course I'll use it in the application process if I ask to begin with

Richard U

1:40 PM

@motosubatsu I try to avoid discussions about topics I know nothing about. I closely follow Richard's rule #16: "Before arguing with an idiot, first make sure he's not doing the same thing"

motosubatsu

@Magisch merely using it in the decision making process isn't - if I were looking to employ you (and you were a UK citizen) and I rang your previous UK employer and said "Hey! is Magisch reliable" and they said "yeah he's great" and I chose to hire you

that's all good

no Personal data processing has taken place from a legal point of view

if I write "They said Magisch was great!" in your personnel file it then becomes personal data as part of that file

(whether that "file" is a word doc or a post it note in a folder it still applies)

Magisch

the presenting lawyer said to us unequivocally 2 days ago EU wide any PII raised as part of any application process formal or informal is subject to GDPR

motosubatsu

I'm then obliged to protect that information under DPA 2018 (our derogation of GDPR)

Magisch

and that we needed to be careful to cover our bases in what we inform people of that we collect when they apply

literally this exact thing including "is that just for germany or everywhere" came up and was answered

motosubatsu

for specific legal meanings of "collect"

Magisch

1:44 PM

collect in that sense meaning use, dissiminate, save, alter or consider in any way

motosubatsu

@Magisch I can't speak for that lawyer - or what he was thinking of when he said "EU wide"

Gregory Currie

I'm actually a GDPR expert

motosubatsu

all I can go off is the literal text of the DPA and my own conversations with applicable legal professionals

Gregory Currie

And by that, I mean I understand what the acronym stands for

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Magisch

@motosubatsu I mean, same

although I've been blindsided by stupidity in the GDPR before

iirc its still not clear if photos count as specially sensitive personal information due to the fact that you can deduct health information from them

motosubatsu

1:55 PM

@Magisch that's one that's going to need some case law

which hasn't had time to build up yet obviously

tbh the whole way they went around enacting GDPR has been an absolute clusterf##k

Magisch

@motosubatsu no kidding. The certificate training course for DPO's I completed last year is already out of date

it takes a lot of work to just keep up with that

motosubatsu

@Magisch aint that the truth!

Magisch

And the current interpretation around our equal opportunities law is so dumb only lawyers could have come up with it

A employee can ask you for accomodations and then once granted revoke the consent to have their disability recorded so you have to seal the data somehow but you're still required to send it to the feds for statistics

I don't even know how to write a process for that

motosubatsu

do they accept annonymized versions of the stats? (e.g. we have x disabled employees out of y total)?

Magisch

I haven't spoken to our HR yet about it

kinda dreading it tbh

I'm already known as the annoying gdpr guy

motosubatsu

2:05 PM

it's been a while since I read the German derogation (obviously it doesn't come up very often for me) but I seem to recall there being a proviso for limiting the subjects rights where to do otherwise would "seriously impair" statistical research or something

Magisch

there's something about that somewhere, yea

motosubatsu

@Magisch FWIW I do remember the German version being a darn sight easier going to read than the UK one :D

Magisch

the problem is the whole thing is complicated by a more strict german law that is kind of a paralell process to the GDPR specifically for disabled employees

figures. Our laws are made to be somewhat read by laypersons

obviously IANAL applies as strongly as ever but you can usually get the gist just reading. Court judgements ... thats another matter entirely. My company is part of an industry group that has lawyers on staff, thankfully

motosubatsu

@Magisch in ours you have to go down a few rabbit holes per sentence just to work out what a particular use of a word means

it makes for very heavy going

Magisch

extra fun ensues when the law references to what "a reasonable person" would do

because you quickly find out reasonable is nowhere in the mountain of case law you'll trawl to find out what that actually means

motosubatsu

2:10 PM

@Magisch yeah that's a common legal term - there's no set definition (although I think a few countries have tried)

in theory it's supposed to tie in with jury trials - the idea being that if 12 (or however many) of your "peers" consider it reasonable then it probably is

but in reality it's just there as a necessary fudge for dealing with the fact that no law can possibly account for all circumstances

Magisch

yeah

these past months remind me why I never took up law school

motosubatsu

@Magisch amen to that.. legalese makes my head hurt

although some worse than others

Magisch

doesn't help to be thrust in a pseudo-legal role like "you're not a lawyer but will be held accountable if you get the law wrong" lovely innit

motosubatsu

No offense meant to our American cousins but holy crap some of their legal judgements need subtitles!

Magisch

I've read a couple out of personal interest. American law seesm to be 2/3 caselaw and not a lot of actual legal text comparatively

and also they amend laws in a weird way

motosubatsu

2:21 PM

@Magisch yup.. hence why I've got a nice big professional indemnity insurance policy :)

Nofel

afternoon everyone

Gregory Currie

Dude, it's not afternoon, it's dark outside!

motosubatsu

@GregoryCurrie glorious blue skies here :)

Gregory Currie

Weren't you just discussing GDPR?

Oh, you mean literally

Sorry, long day

Magisch

@motosubatsu necessary i'd say

if you do this exclusively for a living. I'm still mainly a sysadmin and software developer

Nofel

2:26 PM

@GregoryCurrie depends where u r

here it is bright

oh yes blue sky which is rare

motosubatsu

@Magisch very necessary IMO.. it covers me for all my dev work as well, I don't want some PITA client deciding that my code was at fault when something goes wrong and suing me (well the company) into oblivion

Gregory Currie

2:45 PM

lol @ plum alcohol question

Richard U

mmmm, plum wine

that question is now plum closed

Gregory Currie

It's out plum

That's a cricket reference

motosubatsu

that question is really plum(b)ing the depths

Gregory Currie

That question is weighing me down

Ok, let's see who will get that pun

Richard U

This is quickly becoming a fruitless discussion.

Gregory Currie

2:49 PM

First one to explain it gets an imaginary cookie

Richard U

@GregoryCurrie I bough before you

motosubatsu

@GregoryCurrie I'm fishing around in my memory for an answer

IDrinkandIKnowThings

I thought the plum question was interesting :p

Gregory Currie

"I don't like this job, should I throw it all away and make plumb wine"

Richard U

On a related note, this is the week from hell:

Monday: Accidentally deleted two days of work
Tuesday: Crash causes loss of more work
Wednesday: File corruption, causes strange behavior, but no errors... more work lost.

By the end of the week, I would have been ahead of the game if I took off.

motosubatsu

2:52 PM

@IDrinkandIKnowThings interesting.. yes answerable here? not really - probably would have been fu to banter around in chat though

Richard U

@GregoryCurrie that sounds plumb loco to me

motosubatsu

@RichardU so are you actually at negative progress for the week?

Richard U

@motosubatsu yes, yes I am.

Gregory Currie

Ok, I'll explain it. Another word for lead is plumbum.

Lead is heavy

Richard U

@GregoryCurrie we are really plumbing the depths of this pun, aren't we?

Gregory Currie

2:53 PM

Obviously you guys don't watch Rick and Morty

Well, I've reached my rep cap for the day

I think my work here is done

Richard U

@GregoryCurrie the only thing Rick and morty has done for me is allowed me to get trolled with "pickle rick" meme's

@GregoryCurrie A few people here have achieved the "legendary" badge for rep-capping over 150 times.

motosubatsu

@GregoryCurrie I do.. but thought the fishing ref was a better bet </shrug> you win some you lose some :)

Gregory Currie

:P

motosubatsu

@RichardU Solenya

Gregory Currie

@RichardU I've done it 8 times in a row. If I keep this up, I'll have it in half a year!

Richard U

2:56 PM

@GregoryCurrie the hard one is to edit and answer a post 50 times. THAT one few have achieved

Gregory Currie

And then I'll finally have the respect I deserve. The women will love me. The men will want to be me.

motosubatsu

@GregoryCurrie I'm still dragging my heels to that one (20 caps to go)

Richard U

@GregoryCurrie I always have had the opposite problem

@motosubatsu I'm semi-retired now, so other people will have the chance ;)

@GregoryCurrie when I was a younger man, I was a sex object. Every time I'd ask a girl for sex, she'd object.

Gregory Currie

lol, you idiot

I'm totally going to use that one

Richard U

@GregoryCurrie I never tell jokes to kleptomaniacs, because they take things, literally.

Nofel

3:10 PM

@RichardU how do u do today?

Twyxz

wth happened here

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@Twyxz Something is happening here. What it is aint exactly clear.

avazula

oh dear

a coworker who knows nothing about Git just made 6 commits that broke the entire repo

Nofel

@Twyxz in other news, I found cheap insurance

put in 3 weeks starting date for 2.0 tuscon

and staright almost 150 quid less

PM

motosubatsu

@avazula isn't that SOP with Git?

avazula

3:18 PM

@motosubatsu SOP? What does that mean?

oh, standard operating procedures?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@avazula SOP = Standard Operating Procedure

avazula

Well I work in a company specialized in networks... they didn't know anything about programming a year ago so, asking them to know about Git really is too much...

Fortunately I could fix these issues but at some point I thought I had to delete and rebuild the whole repo ...

Twyxz

@IDrinkandIKnowThings I'm just gonna continue with my business :)

@Nofel Mines not even 150 per month if I were to pay monthly geeeez

Kepotx

@avazula a good thing to do with git beginners is branches

it doesn't prevent fails, but at least it only harms their work, not everyone's

avazula

3:34 PM

@Kepotx yup ... I wish they knew about branches before messing everything up

Richard U

@Nofel you are becoming much more focused! great to see.

motosubatsu

@Kepotx or getting rid of it and installing a source control system that doesn't delight in being a cryptic mess that's intentionally hard to use

Kepotx

well, it's not cryptic anymore if you use gui like gitkraken

also, lot of EDI allow to do git commands

so, each dev have his own branch, and do basic commands (pull/commit/push)

Nofel

@RichardU how did u find that

@Twyxz which car u drive

motosubatsu

@Kepotx I've not used gitkraken.. that does look pretty decent.

Magisch

3:43 PM

@motosubatsu how much is it and what's the coverage amount?

For DPO's the policies are very expensive here

motosubatsu

@Magisch £1m coverage.. costs me about £160 a year

Twyxz

@Nofel Focus ST 2.0 2016

Magisch

thats a really good deal

motosubatsu

@Magisch the advantage is that I'll never be legally accountable as a DPO or as a SIO - technically anything I do on that is only "advice"

Magisch

I read that there was some way to be accountable as DPO

if you knew about something and didn't mention it

I know you can't be held accountable if the company decides to not take your advice

so I make the company owners sign the protocols of meetings I have with them

motosubatsu

3:49 PM

if I gave them incorrect advice then I could be liable to the client but I'm not accountable in a criminal sense as I'm not the DP or DC

I am for my own company of course.. but I have different insurance that covers me for stuff there

Magisch

you also DPO for the place you work at?

motosubatsu

@Magisch I own the company.. there's only me and one employee and making my admin asst the DPO would probably have been a bit harsh

Nofel

@Twyxz nice car but I hate when cars put lcd infront of u

Magisch

I think you need 10 employees regularly processing PI to need a dpo here

Nofel

like not intgrated i

it is like after all car was done they remember "oh, we left nav/lcd out"

so they put on top

Richard U

3:55 PM

I drive a SUV I inherited from my father.

motosubatsu

@Magisch strictly speaking I likely don't require one - my personal data processing is uber-minimal but it covers me in case I ever end up working with a client's PD on my own systems (which believe me I will avoid if at all possible)

Richard U

Hey folks, I'm thinking of making this an outline of how to approach HR in general, what do you think?

1

A: My co-worker is secretly taking pictures of me

This is probably a case for HR, but remember, HR represents the company's interests so you can't just run to them without demonstrating that you have a case that they can investigate. Take the same attitude and actions you would take if you were going to build a case for court. It could possibl...

Magisch

sounds like a good idea. This is a "go to HR posthaste" situation if there's ever been one

Kepotx

@motosubatsu I should make an Inspirational Motivational Positive Quotes from it, print it, frame it, and put in my house

such philosophy in this sentence

motosubatsu

@Kepotx lol.. I do what I can

Richard U

3:58 PM

@Magisch no, it's a case of she needs to gather evidence first

Magisch

mhm

Richard U

@Magisch the last thing you ever want to do with HR is approach them with a weak case, because they will disregard you.

Because HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND

2

Magisch

HR is gonna jump at these kinds of allegations though

because they smell potential liability

and protecting the company from that is their job

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@Magisch Not always. I have seen it turned around on the accuser several times.

Richard U

@Magisch you would think so, but now, there's a real backlash against false accusations and companies have lost millions.

@IDrinkandIKnowThings ditto., It happened to me.

just in case anyone wonders why I keep saying HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND

@Magisch alsp, the person is not in any actual physical danger, so while it's unpleasant, enduring the behavior long enough to document it will make sure it breaks her way. Again, I learned that the hard way, but was able to absolutely ruin a director by biding my time.

You want to go into HR with evidence so solid to overcome any biases, misgivings, and fears. If you go in with iron-clad evidence, you get them to understand that you mean business and will bring down the wrath of GOD himself if they don't act.

Kepotx

7:08 PM

IDrinkandIKnowThings

7:18 PM

I really want to shake every person that says ohh this is about the law so we cant help.

Richard U

@IDrinkandIKnowThings can I help?

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@RichardU HR Invited me out to drinks after work.... should i go?

Richard U

@IDrinkandIKnowThings yeah, that would end will

-2

A: My co-worker is secretly taking pictures of me

I have created my account just to reply to you. The simple fact that you feel incomfortable to just tell him to stop makes me feel ashamed of my kind (the male kind). In France, his behaviour is simply illegal, you could press charges and he would at least have a veeeeery long chat with a police...

Why is misandry like this so prevelant? ^^^^^^

IDrinkandIKnowThings

@RichardU because people suck

IDrinkandIKnowThings

7:58 PM

-15

A: My co-worker is secretly taking pictures of me

Your biggest mistake is talking to this weak, do-nothing co-worker about it. That was a giant waste of your time. You should talk to the other co-worker instead and let him deal with the situation, since you seem hesitant to take action yourself.

^^ Could use one more delete vote here

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