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DarkCygnus
DarkCygnus
12:00 AM
Glad to hear that @JoeStrazzere let's hope for the best :)
 
 
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motosubatsu
motosubatsu
9:32 AM
morning all
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
morning @motosubatsu
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
@theonlydanever did you end up leaving early in the end last night?
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
i left about three minutes early to pick up some flowers and wine on the way home
my line manager was on a call when i left, but i gave him a wave goodbye rather than sneak out
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
@theonlydanever sounds like a good compromise
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
he recognised that he was in before me this morning, so at least he knows i'm making an effort and coming in early - it means the three minutes last night didn't bother him
thanks for the advice yesterday
my girlf didn't even ask in the end, or even suggest that i could have left earlier to beat her home
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
9:55 AM
@theonlydanever nice.. always good to have your efforts recognized during the early days
 
Snow
Snow
Good morning. Hope the evening went well last night @theonlydanever
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
10:22 AM
morning @Snow
yeah, it was a nice evening - presents went down as well as the wine!
 
Snow
Snow
Great news. Glad it went well. I spent most of yesterday evening sitting through a 2 1/2 programme on dogs.
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
10:42 AM
Do you like dags?
 
Snow
Snow
11:06 AM
Dogs, not dags. Dags are an entirely different thing, and you need an entirely specific set of kinks to like those.
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
11:18 AM
haha, that was a quote from the incredible Guy Ritchie film
i really don't want to Google what you're talking about on my work laptop
@Snow - you deleted your answer on the Project Manager question?
 
Snow
Snow
11:36 AM
Yes. Other answers were a better fit for the methodology involved. I sometimes delete my answer if they lack relevancy.
I've self deleted over 100 answers so far, which probably says something about my lack of quality.
 
Draken
Draken
12:04 PM
@Snow Not lack of quality, I find your answers are always well written and gets your points across. I think the issue is not everyone always agrees with those well written points
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
12:14 PM
@Draken congrats on your recent high scoring answer. I really did not think it would beat mine...
 
Snow
Snow
@Draken Many thanks. In this case, there's far better answers than mine, I'm happy enough to step back and allow those higher class answers get the attention they deserve.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Snow How noble of you ;-}
 
Snow
Snow
The people asking the questions here are important after all.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Snow One of the reasons most of us are here....
 
Nofel
Nofel
12:51 PM
Afternoon all
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
hello
 
Nofel
Nofel
Hey
 
Snow
Snow
1:24 PM
Good afternoon. Sorry, I forgot to press the Enter key.
 
Draken
Draken
@IamSoNotListening Neither did I, I thought I was in the minority and instead people wanted to burn someone at the stake. I would rather provide the tinder and matches and see if they light their own fire, much less work
 
IDrinkandIKnowThings
IDrinkandIKnowThings
@IamSoNotListening My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw IDrinkandIKnowThings pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
Ah, the room has life again :D
 
Snow
Snow
1:40 PM
People are typing stuff - it's amazing!
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@IDrinkandIKnowThings Welcome back sir.
Dilly Dilly!
Haven't had any luck finding that Tequila yet. ;-)
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
I have a new PITA to deal with.
This is a weirdly submissive answer. I would have compromised and said something like, okay, then give me the bonus for however many months I will be there. i.e. a bonus of $500 yearly turns into about $250 after 6 months. I don't agree that taking a job based on bonuses is worth it. — insidesin 7 hours ago
He had two comments deleted as rude yesterday ^^^^^^
just doesn't learn
Wow, the board is filled with some doozeys today
@IamSoNotListening I see you are well above me in the rankings. I must fix that.
;)
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Draken Our people are fickle. You got a gold out of it.
@TheSnarkKnight LOL
Very temporary
I assure you
some lucky questions that happen to be open when I was able to answer
typically @Snow steals all those.
 
Snow
Snow
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to steal stuff that isn't there.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Snow Slim pickins for sure
 
Snow
Snow
1:52 PM
Damn, I'm out of food. All there is to eat is fruit.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Snow Fruit is not food.
 
Snow
Snow
Exactly. I have no idea why it's in my lunch box. Maybe it's there to prevent damage to my sandwiches.
At least I had a meaty stick of salty meat to chew upon.
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
@Snow its the monthly "free fruit wednesday" here today.. I confess I have partaken
 
Snow
Snow
Bananas are acceptable. Peaches are not.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Snow only if you peel them
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
2:03 PM
@Snow I had an apple
 
Snow
Snow
I'm not peeling anything of yours. You peel your own fruit!
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
The questions are a bit strange today
 
Snow
Snow
It's Wednesday. People are on a low ebb on Wednesdays.
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
@Snow yep..last weekend is a distant memory and next weekend is still days away
 
Draken
Draken
@Snow That's what she said?
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
2:08 PM
Insomnia again last night, running on two hours of sleep.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@TheSnarkKnight noooooooo
 
Snow
Snow
Oh great, now I'm yawning in the office.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
Yep, my last good night's sleep was some time in 1987
 
Snow
Snow
Come to my place. People always sleep well in our back room.
And no, that's not a euphemism.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
ice here. remote day
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
2:12 PM
@TheSnarkKnight 1987 was a great year. more specifically, October 1987.
11th October 1987
at 1:57pm
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@theonlydanever not for me, Three of my grandparents and one of my cousins died
all in the same year
haven't had a good night's sleep since
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@theonlydanever ???
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@IamSoNotListening I'm guessing his birth
or that of a child
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
it's my birthday, but now i feel bad for @TheSnarkKnight
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@theonlydanever I've had worse years.
At least something good came from that year though, we got you! :D
 
Snow
Snow
2:15 PM
Man it's depressing when so many people are younger than me.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@Snow You know you're getting too old when you look at the girls and the thought of dating one is eliminated from your brain as they are "too young"
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
thanks @TheSnarkKnight - it's a pleasure to be here
 
Snow
Snow
This year, I will be 50.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
Wow, I'm over 20 years older than you.
@Snow ah, yer my age!
I just sound older because I've gone through so many lives.
I'm part cat you know, so I have five lives
 
theonlydanever
theonlydanever
older = wiser
 
Snow
Snow
2:23 PM
You're only part cat because they've left so many claws in you, and you've swallowed much of their fur in your sleep.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@theonlydanever a wise man learns from the mistakes of others, a fool from his own. Wisdom was forced upon me while I fought against it, kicking and screaming the whole way.
@Snow the five lives have come in handy though. The only problem is I've used about thirty so far.
 
Nofel
Nofel
How to I tell my manager I overcommitted with a ticket that isn’t as I thought? I m new at work
 
Snow
Snow
@nofel You over-estimated, or have you gone over the estimate?
or have you taken a ticket on that you don't know how to resolve yet?
 
Draken
Draken
@Nofel Opps, made a mistake. I'll learn from it and not do it again in the future. Treat everything as a position to learn from
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Nofel Let them know asap, do not wait until the last minute...
 
Nofel
Nofel
2:35 PM
I thought it was easy but I have spend 2 days and slow progress
I told the manager “optimistically today” in scrum
@Snow all of it
 
Snow
Snow
If you can explain what your difficulties are, then you should be fine.
 
Nofel
Nofel
On skype or email?
 
Draken
Draken
2:52 PM
This answer on code golf made me laugh
https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/152908/55402
 
Snow
Snow
I wish I could understand it.
 
Chris E
Chris E
morning from the north pole, I mean Atlanta
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
@ChrisE Good afternoon sir!
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@ChrisE we of the northeast decided to share our good fortune.
I just wish that Algore would shut up about global warming, every time he opens his mouth, the temperature drops 5 degrees
ah, my phantom down-voters are active today. :D
 
Snow
Snow
3:11 PM
I am plagued with phantom non-voters.
 
Pleiades
Pleiades
I know I could ask this on the main site, but I don't feel like it's a question others would get much use out of and I need a quicker answer. My department head left at the end of this year before I was able to come in for my performance eval, so we agreed to do it via email since she wasn't available to do to it over the phone.
However, as school picked up intensity for me, I forgot about the eval until the beginning of January, which was when I got in touch with HR and my big boss, who yesterday sent me the eval, but it was for the wrong year. I'm not 100% sure how to go about asking for the right one now.
 
Snow
Snow
Reply to the email and ask for the right version of the eval?
 
Pleiades
Pleiades
I thought that was the right course of action, but it's been kind of a hassle to get anyone to respond off-season, and I've had a couple people tell me to get HR involved again (which I didn't want to do since I didn't see a reason to). I'm probably overthinking this, but it's my first job still and it's probably the best I can get for the time being, so I don't want to mess anything up if I can help it.
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
@Pleiades I'll second @Snow 's advice - also although you might be having trouble getting people to respond the fact that you have sent the request promptly means that the ball is in their court so any delay at their end won't reflect badly on you. Waiting until you think they are about to respond could look like you were being tardy
 
Snow
Snow
And someone sending you the wrong year's eval does seem pretty fundamental. It sounds as though you're looking for a complicated solution to a simple problem here. If you just let HR know that you've requested the right version of the eval, I don't see what other problem there could be here.
 
Pleiades
Pleiades
3:24 PM
I've been offered complicated solutions to the same problem as well, which has influenced a lot of my thinking on this. I really just wanted to see if getting HR involved was really necessary, since a lot of answers on this site seem to advise against it, and I'd rather not start any trouble if I can. HR isn't really the one to handle the performance evals; your department head is, and since she left and I haven't heard about anyone new being hired/promoted yet, I got in touch with them first.
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
@Pleiades if HR aren't part of the performance eval process then I'd say there's no need to contact them or get them involved
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
4:21 PM
Heya @IamSoNotListening I thought you retired on IPS! :P
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@Tinkeringbell het may not have, but I have. It's too frustrating over there for me.
 
Snow
Snow
lol. I'm having frustations of my own over there. but it's too late in the day and too middle of the week for me to really fight things.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@Snow Maybe when the group solidifies a bit, but for now, no way.
I just can't relate to the current crowd.
 
Snow
Snow
I rage-quit for the day. I'm gone for now. Have a good day, folks!
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
You too @Snow
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
4:39 PM
Good luck @snow.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell maybe just semi retired....not going to justify my answers and comments anymore. The community can delete them if they like. :-}
@TheSnarkKnight he got sucked into the mosh pit.....
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@IamSoNotListening yeah, I'm tired of the armchair psychologists myself.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
yep....@TheSnarkKnight
later everyone :-)
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@IamSoNotListening yeah, and the Values dissonance
Later
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
5:15 PM
@IamSoNotListening Just teasing you... but I am curious now.... were that question posted here, would it have been closed because it lacked research effort?
@TheSnarkKnight Tiny is missing you in chat ;) Shall I tell him to go over here?
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell Here, not sure. The expectation though is the OP has at least done a google search for the (an) answer.
@Tinkeringbell I have actually used a LMGTFY link as a comment / answer
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@IamSoNotListening I did find the meta on that one ;)
I wrote an answer stating that once, and linked to the google things I found... the 'let me google that for you' sentence was edited out... I never made much fuss about it, but this seems to me like it needs some discussing over at IPS....
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
there is one, on LMGTFY, which I was "kindly" pointed to. Basically was on the border of against our be nice policy, so I stopped. ( I definitely wasn't the first to do it.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Snow, you've rage-quitted on your meta. Are you going to put up another one? Because this really is something IPS needs to work out so if you're not going to do it, I will.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell he most likely won't be back today
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
5:25 PM
@IamSoNotListening I'll be stalking this room tomorrow then ;) It can wait, it's not that urgent, but it does need discussion.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
Is the question "Should a user do a basic google search before asking a question?"
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Sort of... I think we should require some sort of research effort... "How to deal with a stutter' --> There's plenty of resources on that. Have you tried any of them yet? Which? What are you looking for besides other people doing a google search for you?

That would be some sort of StackOverflow approach. On the other hand, I've been over at Movies some time too lately, and they regularly get questions to which the answer is a 'simple' google search... And these are considered 'good'... :/
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell I know on StackOverFlow they will drop the hammer hard if you post a stupid easily googleable question
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
I know that too :/ Which is basically why I'm looking at TWP meta posts now, and I might rummage through parenting as well.... both are a bit more subjective than SO.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell Agreed.
@Tinkeringbell My thought process is the OP should put some effort out first.
some, of course, is subjective.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
5:34 PM
Yeah, so we actually need a meta to define our some which is where Snow comes in ;)
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell He be a bit pissed by the attitude of some....(not you) Not sure how receptive he will be.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@IamSoNotListening Yep.... we can be annoying ;)
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell no comment
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@IamSoNotListening ^Those are the words of a wise man :P
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
momma always says if you don't have anything nice to say.....
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
5:40 PM
My mom says 'say it anyway, helps with the frustration and afterwards you know who your real friends are!' :P
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@Tinkeringbell I'm sort of in the same mindset as snow. I don't like having my motives constantly questioned. I also feel that any input I have will be dismissed out of hand not for it's merit or lack thereof, but for it's source.
but if you want to tell Tiny to drop in, sure, we'll have him :D
Going to lunch now folks, see ya l8r
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@TheSnarkKnight I'm sorry to hear that.... I for one value the input we had from you, e.g. the troll thingy...
I'll tell Tiny where he can find you ;)
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
K. Well, you can always get input from me here @Tinkeringbell. I'm always happy to help against trolling SE. Some just don't realize that I don't troll SE, no matter how many times I say it.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@TheSnarkKnight ;) I'll keep that in mind, thanks!
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
6:01 PM
Heya! xD
@Tinkeringbell Hey, I'm a man, men don't miss people! man noises
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@TheTinyMan You do realize you left a paper trail? :P
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@Tinkeringbell Psh, not on Stack Exchange
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@TheTinyMan welcome
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@TheSnarkKnight Hiya! xD
 
Snow
Snow
6:28 PM
@Tinkeringbell Yep. I rage quit on the Meta after apaul insisted on concentrating on what I did wrong rather than address the actual question. Then Mithrandir pointed out that answers to Google questions should really point at questions on SE before the internet as a whole. Which strikes me as rather absurd.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Snow Hmmm... I'm disappointed that the meta is gone :( But I understand. That wasn't nice.
 
Snow
Snow
It's entirely possible that I misunderstood, but it did seem to me that my question was largely being ignored. If you'd like to post this as a Meta question, I'm sure you'll get a better response than I ever could (I think I have a bit of a "reputation", whereas you are widely respected).
 
DarkCygnus
DarkCygnus
Hello everyone, how are things?
I have a quick question I want to ask you guys
Is it me, or the green color on your user profile (the green that appears over accepted questions) is different than it used to be?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
I don't think it was being ignored, it was up for less than an hour. Usually it takes half a day before you have an answer, not many people are very active on meta and this one DOES need a bit of research effort if you want to write a nice an comprehensive answer....

My 'respect' is mostly fictional, but since I wasn't a party in the 'conflict', I'll try.
Btw, IMO you did nothing wrong.... you deleted the answer, asked for guidance, when there was none took the effort of writing a meta post... no need to say the things that were said :(
 
Snow
Snow
apaul hammered me in the chat as well as comments. I ended up just giving up. Since he's a high rep user, people are just going to defend his point of view.
@DarkCygnus - Yes, the colour is different shade of green. Lighter than before. Bleached, you might say.
 
DarkCygnus
DarkCygnus
6:41 PM
@Snow indeed
writing a meta post about it :)
Glad to hear that @Snow I was saying to myself "Great! I am finally starting to go blind"
 
Snow
Snow
See the shade next to my rep count at the to vs what's below. definitely a different shade of green there.
You may use this picture if you life.
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@Tinkeringbell Yeah, I agree that @Snow was being really cooperative and the other chat user was kind of obstinately being unhelpful there. :-(
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
Personally, I've got too much going on in RL without getting aggravated over something online. I didn't rage quit so much as move on for health reasons.
 
Snow
Snow
@TheTinyMan Many thanks. I didn't see the point of fighting it, it wasn't going anywhere constructive.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@TheTinyMan "assume good intent" should be hammered home a bit more, IMO.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
6:47 PM
@Snow Thanks for stepping out, no need for drama in the room while I was having dinner and would have missed it! :)
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@Snow Yeah. I would have tried to cut in if I wasn't focusing on work so hard.
 
Snow
Snow
Haha. I smell fish pie, so I will sign off shortly.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@Snow I got tired of being psychoanalyzed.
mmmmm PIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I tried to make cabbage soup last night. "Disaster" doesn't seem to do it justice.
 
Snow
Snow
Right - food up, laptop down.
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@TheSnarkKnight I dunno. I'm not sure that people are actively, specifically assuming ill intent on your part, but I personally definitely parsed your recent words as expressing ill intent and wasn't able to discern another possible interpretation of them a few times...but of course, when I'd ask for clarification, there was a lot going on and you didn't really have an opportunity to reply to me.
But I don't want to drag that drama into another room
and I agree that the rest of the chat could have approached you with a "what do you mean?" approach instead of a "obviously you're being a jerk here" approach
 
DarkCygnus
DarkCygnus
6:51 PM
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Q: Green Colors on profile have changed?

DarkCygnusDon't know if it is just me, but have the shades of green on user profiles (accepted answers, line borders, etc.) changed somehow? If we compare a screenshot from my main profile: with one of my Meta profile: We can see that the shades of green have been altered somehow. It is now more "op...

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The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@TheTinyMan well, to sum up without rehashing it too much. I was simply trying to say that, given what I've been through in this life, I simply couldn't relate to the level of outrage being expressed over someone telling you "smile". Nothing more sinister than that. It was more of a commentary about my own perspective than anything else.
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@TheSnarkKnight That makes sense. I think the snark made it sound much more aggressive and disrespectful than you intended it.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
Or, for an analogy, try explaining that you're upset over putting on weight to someone who has gone hungry,
@TheTinyMan While it's no secret that I'm snarky, there was no snark in my original statement. It was after people started ascribing things to me that I got frustrated, THEN snarky.
But back to my analogy, @TheTinyMan could you see how someone who has known hunger and been emaciated, might have a WTF moment over someone complaining about needing to loose five pounds?
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@TheSnarkKnight I totally get where you're coming from at this point. I think the verbiage "can't relate" helped it seem less...outwardly directed to me.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
I wasn't trying to snark, I was just honestly mystified at the fact that this is an actual thing to get upset about
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
6:58 PM
@TheSnarkKnight There are things in life I don't understand as well... but this is really something more than 1 person gets upset about ;) The article linked to proved as much. All in all, I should've stepped in sooner, but it wasn't really helping that people were invested that much in the discussion :/
I'd really not like to cut down every discussion before it even starts :/
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
Then I got a bit irked over having what was done to me being called "microagressions". There is nothing "micro" about someone trying to get you fired over your disabilities.
@Tinkeringbell I can understand, at an intellectual level that people get upset over things that make no sense to me, but that doesn't make them make sense to me.
@Tinkeringbell I'm not upset with you, you have always been civil and things can get out of control quickly. I just felt like I was at the bottom of a dogpile.
@TheTinyMan I was really trying to hold back. In the past, I've said things that really hurt people, so rather than do that, I left.
 
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Q: Green Colors on profile have changed?

DarkCygnusDon't know if it is just me, but have the shades of green on user profiles (accepted answers, line borders, etc.) changed somehow? If we compare a screenshot from my main profile: with one of my Meta profile: We can see that the shades of green have been altered somehow. It is now more "op...

discussion support design
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@TheSnarkKnight You weren't getting much support... so I can see how that may have come into being... I hope you come back once things have settled down a bit :-)
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@TheSnarkKnight I get and appreciate that. That conversation had definitely gotten to the point that ending it abruptly was the right thing to do.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Otherwise I'll just have to be really chatty here too ;)
It really should have stopped here:
in The Awkward Silence, yesterday, by Anne Daunted
well, at least i made you all stop talking about sauerkraut...
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
7:05 PM
@Tinkeringbell :D
@TheTinyMan yeah, it was not a hill I wanted to die on, so to speak. I really have no problem with anyone and don't hold grudges, but the things I was getting ready to say, well... You know the old expression, "You can't un-ring a bell."
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@TheSnarkKnight Yeah. And I did notice that other people were past that point and not quite as cautious about willfully throwing stones, as it were.
Man...I think I mixed some metaphors badly back there somewhere. :-p
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@TheTinyMan Yeah, when I get to the point of throwing stones, people find them very pointed and aimed towards the soft spots, which is why I don't do it.
I've done some bad things in this life, and said things that can't be unsaid to people I really cared about. I can't help that, but I can make sure I don't do it again.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
2 hours ago, by Tinkeringbell
My mom says 'say it anyway, helps with the frustration and afterwards you know who your real friends are!' :P
Really, you can care all you want about those people but if they won't accept an apology, they're not friends ;)
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
I'm gonna go with @TheSnarkKnight on this one. O.o Some wounds are easier to heal than others, and it's usually better not to inflict them if you can avoid it.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Okay, but make sure to keep the stones for when you do need to get people out of your life ;)
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
7:21 PM
@Tinkeringbell There are less hurtful ways to eject people though, I think. And ways that maybe close doors without jamming them shut.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@Tinkeringbell I don't like to hurt people, but I'm very good at it, and once I start, I don't stop. So, I just don't start.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@TheSnarkKnight I might be a bit too revengeful for that. I have a nasty character sometimes, if and when people deserve it... I'm the kind of 'when I snap, I snap good!'
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@Tinkeringbell Ooh, man...I'm learning about a side of you that I didn't know existed! :o
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@Tinkeringbell Oh yes. I understand that indeed. I took revenge on a workplace bully one time. He ended up needing to see a counselor after that. Not proud of that fact, but it is why I hold back.
 
Chris E
Chris E
i plead the 5th, regarding revenge
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
7:29 PM
Favorite line from Doctor Who. "Good men don't need rules, today is not the day to find out why I have so many"
@ChrisE I don't have to, only because the statute of limitations has run out on some of the things I did.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ChrisE 5th? what's that in european law?
 
Chris E
Chris E
dunno, does europe have laws that says the govt can't force you to incriminate yourself?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ChrisE Probably, never had to find out ;)
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@Tinkeringbell en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… "Pleading the fifth" is shorthand for "I do not have to answer and will not answer, because answering will incriminate me." Outside of the courtroom, it's usually used as a joke. :-)
 
Chris E
Chris E
close.
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
7:32 PM
@ChrisE Did I phrase that badly?
 
Chris E
Chris E
it's refuse to answer and "may incriminate me" ;)
 
TheTinyMan
TheTinyMan
@ChrisE Yeah but that's not how anyone is ever gonna interpret that...although I think they're legally required to try to. :-P
 
Chris E
Chris E
because a judge can still try to compel you to answer under certain conditions, such as if you're granted immunity.
grant a witness immunity and you can lock them up for not testifying.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@ChrisE or, if you've already given testimony. You can't just tell the parts that make you look good.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ChrisE Weird...
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
7:37 PM
@Tinkeringbell not as weird as it sounds. When you've granted immunity, it's essentially a contract. By refusing to testify, you've violated that contract
You can't compel someone to testify against themselves, but you CAN compel testimony against a third party.
 
Chris E
Chris E
@TheSnarkKnight depending on the situation. in court, that's true if you're the defendant, but not if you''re a witness. Same with testifying before congress.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@ChrisE which is why I never say boo to LE
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Snow I have a live stream of this on my monitor...
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@TheSnarkKnight Ah, I missed out on the third party part.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
7:39 PM
I am surprised @Snow was / is back so quick after a rage quit
 
Chris E
Chris E
@TheSnarkKnight you can't compel someone to testify against themselves if they'll be incriminated which is why immunity is important.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell no way...
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@IamSoNotListening Do.
Want a story to prove it?
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell I think I was involved in one ;-)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@TheSnarkKnight I love talking to police, means there's something going on ;)
 
Chris E
Chris E
7:40 PM
Richard and I steal a car. We both get caught. Neither one would testify because it would convict us both. If one gets immunity, he could then testify against the other.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@IamSoNotListening Oh no, that was nothing
That was just me being stubborn, not revengeful
 
Chris E
Chris E
Of course, in practice, you can compel certain people to testify but that doesn't mean they will in a useful way.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell I see, there is a diff
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
It did help though, answers are getting flagged/deleted vlq/naa a lot easier now :P
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@ChrisE and that's why they set up different interrogation rooms
 
Chris E
Chris E
7:41 PM
And yes, don't talk to the police any more than legally necessary. If you're a passenger in vehicle, not at all.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell I won't be compelled to not comment or to improve my answer ever again. If that helps...
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@IamSoNotListening I got inside the head of a workplace bully so badly that he got sick every time he had to come to work.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@TheSnarkKnight what a wimp
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@IamSoNotListening, no I'm just that good at it.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@TheSnarkKnight You can only get in someones head if the allow it.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
7:43 PM
@IamSoNotListening Meh, you were just an unfortunate victim ;) I did learn to look at profiles after that, and comment to the extent of 'we're a bit different than 'your highest rep site here', please see meta 1,2,3 as to how a good answer should look'.... and then just flag vlq ;)
Also helps that we're better capable of counteracting HNQ now
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@ChrisE The only things you should ever say to the police: "Am I free to go?", "Am I being detained", "I don't answer questions", and "Should I call my lawyer"
3
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@TheSnarkKnight isn't this from a movie??
 
Chris E
Chris E
I got a workplace bully fired (after he fired me) by emailing his boss' boss about how we were made to help him lie during audits. (which just meant forward him the code and don't talk to auditors). Oh, and I also said why he didn't want to be audited. :)
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@IamSoNotListening not true. I have the savant skill of pattern analysis. If I want in, I get in.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@ChrisE sounds like justice to me....
@TheSnarkKnight Challenge accepted!! ;-}
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
7:45 PM
What's with all the workplace bullies? Aren't people just nice to each other over there?
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@Tinkeringbell BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!
No, they're not
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell assholes exist everywhere
 
Chris E
Chris E
@TheSnarkKnight If I'm the driver, I'll be chatty depending on the situation. Sometimes you'll just get a warning. be a dick and you'll get a ticket every time. I rarely talk if I'm the passenger out of principle.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@IamSoNotListening Yeah well they sort of anatomically have to....
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell LFAO
LMAO
type sir type!!
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
7:46 PM
@ChrisE yeah, I've pulled a few Jedi mind tricks over the years.
If you're in a car, it's different. If you're just walking down the street, nothing.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@IamSoNotListening Don't do that, you'll need it later. I've never seen a bully luckily, nor experienced people who experienced bullying. So either people are being really secretive about it (which makes me worry a bit now that I mention it) or my colleagues are just great :)
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@Tinkeringbell you could be lucky.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@Tinkeringbell Yeah I work with pretty good folks too.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
I just got rid of one here a few months ago. He tried to throw me under the proverbial bus.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
I have worked with some real doozies though....
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
7:48 PM
it didn't end well for him
 
Chris E
Chris E
I grew up with a cop so I know all about "he talked himself into a ticket" stories. I know a deputy here. (Sheriff's departments here around atl don't do traffic). He wrote only 1 guy a ticket in 20 years. Because the guy said "you can't write tickets!"
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Well, of course there's the team mate I got fired but that wasn't because he was a bully....
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@IamSoNotListening we had this director that actually threw things at people, and beat up a box fan with a plank, while it was running
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@TheSnarkKnight That is where video is the best. whip out the phone and record....
 
Chris E
Chris E
that's a license to quit and still get unemployment
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
7:49 PM
@ChrisE an officer once pulled me over for an equipment violation. I thanked him for letting me know, told him I was at lunch and told him where I was going to get it fixed. NO TICKET
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ChrisE hahaha :) Cool cops ;) We had some over on old-years-day.... something with shitty kids and fireworks... That cop was seriously good looking and cute :)
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@IamSoNotListening this was in the 1990s, before cell phones could record video
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
oh, bummer
 
Chris E
Chris E
Cops and ER nurses have the best stories. Always.
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
I would have loved to see that one.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
7:50 PM
@ChrisE yeah, when I worked in traffic safety, I got some good stories
 
IamSoNotListening
IamSoNotListening
@ChrisE My best bud is a lieutenant on the alpharetta police dept
@ChrisE He has awesome stories....
 
Chris E
Chris E
exactly. :)
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@ChrisE oh, and Hotel Staff have some doozies too.
ah, sometimes I confuse English with German and start to capitalize the nouns
 
Chris E
Chris E
you capitalize nouns in german?
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@ChrisE yes, it's strange
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
7:52 PM
@ChrisE Don't ask :P
 
Chris E
Chris E
I had no idea.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
I had to learn German in high school... there's no way to write things without making an error in capitalization
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@ChrisE that's why sometimes I will write things like Hotel Staff
 
Chris E
Chris E
I gathered. :)
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
instead of hotel staff
I remember Mark Twain's famous quote of reading a book in German, not being able to understand it until he got to the last page, where he found all the verbs
 
Chris E
Chris E
7:54 PM
lol
Doc put me on Cymbalta and started it today. Feels like I'm eating paper towels (dry mouth) and it's trying to put me to sleep.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
Drink more water than you think is possible.
 
Chris E
Chris E
I'm having to. this is nuts.
I think I'm going to have to take it at night. the interwebs tell me it can take up to 8 weeks for side effects to subside.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
sounds about right
 
Chris E
Chris E
it's an interesting drug. major depression, anxiety and pain.
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
@ChrisE just don't go Delores O'riorden on us.
 
Chris E
Chris E
8:18 PM
I know she died but didn't read the CoD.
 
DarkCygnus
DarkCygnus
8:32 PM
3
Q: Different shades of green across sites?

DarkCygnusI recently noticed some differences on the green shades (accepted answers, etc.) on The Workplace's Main and Meta sites, and raised a Meta question there. However, further analyzing the situation I noticed that the shades of green are different across some sites. For example here on MSE we can s...

support design
Posted a MetaSE regarding the color (apparently it is indeed a thing)
Any feedback or support welcomed
(As I suspected, including the support tag instead of the bug tag increases the positive reception of questions posted over there)
 
The Snark Knight
The Snark Knight
8:47 PM
@ChrisE it was likely either an OD or suicide, she suffered from bipolar and chronic pain.
 
Chris E
Chris E
Well, neither is a real concern for me. I thought of it for a short bit 2 weeks ago but I realized I could never put my family through what I was feeling. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
 

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