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Lilienthal
Lilienthal
6:51 AM
@Lilienthal no rep is needed for meta in this case because for over a year now users can ask on per-site-meta about their own posts (questions and answers) even when their reputation is less than 5. This works even if their post was deleted. — gnat 10 hours ago
FYI^
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@SoylentGray There is a pretty big difference between a shopping list question and a question that's "how can I accomplish [goal]?". Probably a good half of our questions could be considered shopping questions in that regard.
 
 
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Lilienthal
Lilienthal
7:56 AM
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Q: Job title holding me back?

Tesla88I have a Master's Degree in EE from a decent university, and have worked in a couple startups through out my career, this is my second job and I have 5+ years of total relevant work experience. I have been working as a Jr. Systems Engineer for nearly three years now. I have the following question...

title
Combination of off-topic and duplicates: yay/nay?
 
Nofel
Nofel
8:07 AM
Morning all
 
Kaz
Kaz
'Mornin everyone
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
@Lilienthal it's three questions in one... the first two are opinion based and the third is a dupe
 
Nofel
Nofel
Anyone using RescueTime here
premium
 
Nofel
Nofel
8:56 AM
@RichardU The whining of the colleague about closing tags was mentioned when manager was asking me, "Oh input doesn't have ending tag", I said he doesn't. and he was like u emailed me. I said, "I didn't, X did. and there is a huge difference between self closing and closing tag"
and he said, why doesn't ur code is indented, I said I do. It just no one follow convention but I can show u how to do it in software he uses
did that and he was so happy, he said should have told me when I was young
as he been using 10 yrs.
So do u guys thing any change of view to his perspective.
and checking back my code, I see my code was intially ident
iuts the BS peer who ruined it.
 
Feeds
Feeds
9:52 AM
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Q: How to handle a question not being taken as seriously as I wished because I'm an intern?

sh5164So I asked this question yesterday: How to handle senior developer shirking his work and giving it to interns instead of doing it? And while some people tried to actually answer my question, most of the people are spending their time trying to tell me that I can't be right about what I'm saying...

discussion specific-question
 
Valentin Silvestre
Valentin Silvestre
@Lilienthal it finally work
Hi everyone
 
Kaz
Kaz
@ValentinSilvestre Welcome
 
Nofel
Nofel
@ValentinSilvestre Hello
 
Lilienthal
Lilienthal
10:16 AM
Hah, welcome to chat @ValentinSilvestre.
Yeah, there was a bit of confusion around the access rights for new users. :)
 
Valentin Silvestre
Valentin Silvestre
Great to finally being able to talk..
As a developer I understand the thing..
 
Lilienthal
Lilienthal
10:41 AM
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Q: Rewards for the best answer from the 2nd quarter of 2017

Ankit SharmaIn continuation of quarterly rewards for the best answer and parallel to our favorite questions/answers poll, I'd ask the community again for the best answers from the past quarter to get an additional reward: Please link to an answer which was created from April 1st 2017 through June 30th 2017...

discussion scheduled-event answers
This is odd to me. Surely the people nominating answers can just award them a bounty themselves? That's a whole lot of noise and effort for 300 rep.
 
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@Lilienthal could be good if it only considered answers from users under 2k rep or something like that.
 
Masked Man
Masked Man
@Lilienthal It puts a different spin on the meta question that "we" got yesterday.
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Q: Can I use meta to ask which answer I should accept?

Steven VascellaroI have a question where I'm not sure which answer to accept. (How do I list an internship on my resume?) Initially when the question was asked, there were only two answers to chose from, which meant I didn't have many options for an accepted answer. Later my question was bountied, which led to ...

discussion specific-question on-topic-definition meta
A moderator doing it over there makes me facepalm, if not headdesk.
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
@Lilienthal can we all vote for the answer from @RichardU where he suggested going to HR? :D
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Lilienthal
Lilienthal
11:15 AM
@motosubatsu Hah. I thought you meant Richard answered a Movie question as if it were a workplace one at first. ;)
 
David K
David K
11:48 AM
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Q: An introvert's dilemma at workplace

RodrikTheReaderI am a software developer and an introvert. I am two years into my first job after college. The reviews of my work have been good. But I'm facing a lot of anxiety these days because of the environment in my workplace. It's a big team of around 30 people, though my work requires me to interact wi...

software-industry work-environment
@RichardU I fell like you can probably offer a good perspective on this question.
 
Nofel
Nofel
Where is @RichardU
 
David K
David K
@Nofel No idea, probably not on yet.
 
angarg12
angarg12
@Lilienthal I have a Scrum Master certificate... to be honest I don't think it has helped me to get a job, nor it has taught me much more that I had learned otherwise
still looks nice in the CV/LinkedIn
 
Richard U
Richard U
12:21 PM
@Nofel you rang?
 
Pete
Pete
I'm going to ask my boss if he can give me a pay rise for moving closer to the office....
 
Valentin Silvestre
Valentin Silvestre
12:45 PM
I've got one question but it seem like I can make two with that one, both could be useful for community. I'm actually trying to plan my career, but I need ressource, I don't know what or who I can trust.
That's the first one question, what/how/where should I search for useful information depending of my job ?
The other one is that I want to make money, a lot, the most I can in an IT career (or not so far from this), how should I inform myself about salaries, my chance in a job ?
 
Kaz
Kaz
@ValentinSilvestre The first one sounds a lot like a list question, which would be Off-Topic
@ValentinSilvestre For how to make money in an IT career, read this
 
Nofel
Nofel
@RichardU So the manager is kind of mocking me saying "The new task shoudn't take another x days coz this is bread and butter"
he didnt know I msg my peer to ask him the problem
and he didnt reply until he asked
should I tell him
 
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
To inform yourself on salaries, look at any industry study, glassdoor etc @ValentinSilvestre
 
Masked Man
Masked Man
@Lilienthal I had the same thought as well. :)
@Nofel He was throwing a party for his friends in HR. ;)
 
Valentin Silvestre
Valentin Silvestre
@Kaz and.. how I'm supposed to be sure that this article is correct ? There's a lot of people that sell book about their success but they just stole ideas, had chance etc..
@RoryAlsop I have no idea about where I can find recent document, IT works evolve so quickly
 
Nofel
Nofel
12:57 PM
What you mean @MaskedMan
 
Kaz
Kaz
@ValentinSilvestre You never know, but in my experience, that article has been far more effective than anything else I've read.
 
angarg12
angarg12
I'm almost finished with the article
sounds like solid advice to me
"I served three years as a disposable peon in a Japanese megacorp and might be projecting a tad bit here. "
 
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
1:18 PM
@ValentinSilvestre various areas of IT produce them annually, 6 monthly, or continuously. My part of it (Infosec) has probably 4 reputable studies a year on salaries. Just google for salary reports or comparisons in your area of expertise
 
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Q: Protected Questions

Mister PositiveMy question refers to this portion of the Protected Question guides: Users with 10 or more reputation can answer a protected question. However, the +100 account association bonus is ignored for this check, so you must have earned 10 or more reputation on that specific site to answer a p...

discussion
 
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
IT as an industry really doesn't evolve as much as you think - sure, there are new frameworks, and last year's .js may be superseded by this year's .io but at a high level it's been broadly the same since I came into it in the eighties. The concepts are all the same, they just go round in cycles
 
Richard U
Richard U
@RoryAlsop I'd say it's devolving in some respects, especially since higher maths are no longer required for a programmer.
 
Kaz
Kaz
@RoryAlsop Yeah. It doesn't evolve so much as it iterates. Really really fast.
 
Richard U
Richard U
@Kaz which is why I'm usually fine with someone stepping into the role of programming in the same language family, even if the person has never used it before. If You know C++ and any OO language, you can do basic work in C# without too much of a learning curve.
 
Kaz
Kaz
1:33 PM
@RichardU Pretty much. It took me 2 years to learn VBA as my first language to a somewhat-competent level. Only 2 months to learn Python as my 2nd to the same level. As and when I try a 3rd one, it should only take a few weeks.
@ValentinSilvestre This is also useful in conjunction with the salary post.
 
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Q: Should we automatically edit questions titles formulated as story titles?

sh5164There are a lot of questions titles here that looks more as the title of a story than an actual question, while just putting the question in the title shows directly to people scrolling what the trouble is about. For example right now we have: An introvert's dilemma Meal Premiums in California...

discussion asking-questions
 
Richard U
Richard U
@Kaz Which brings me to those nonsensical job ads "Candidate must have 5+ years of (language that has existed for 3) 5 years in (language version n +1) an should easily be mistaken for Jesus in a three piece suit"
 
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@RichardU lol - yup, I've seen too many of them
 
angarg12
angarg12
"should do the work of 5 people for the salary of a part-timer"
 
Richard U
Richard U
@angarg12 you joke, but I knew of three places that actually tried to fill the roles of two people who were laid off with one person.
 
angarg12
angarg12
1:47 PM
it's more of an hyperbole :)
 
Richard U
Richard U
@angarg12 sadly, not much hyperbole.
 
angarg12
angarg12
one of my friends got fired in a big company as a project manager, to supervise 4 projects
a couple of months later they assigned her 2 more projects, and later on yet another 2
 
Kaz
Kaz
@angarg12 It's a valid business tactic. Not long-term sustainable, but sustainable enough that such companies will continue to exist for a long time.
 
angarg12
angarg12
when the asked her the second time she said "I was hired to manage 4 projects, if you want me do to twice the work, pay me twice the money"
 
Nofel
Nofel
I guess for all of u^
 
Richard U
Richard U
1:58 PM
@Kaz one of the few moments in life that one can only hope to witness. I was let go due to the actions of a CIO who was pulling that tactic of cutting everyone he could and burning out the survivors. Fast forward 5 years, I'm back on a contract and get to see him unceremoniously booted as his misdeeds caught up with him. People were literally cheering when they got the news. You could tell when people got the news because of the cheering.
 
Masked Man
Masked Man
@Nofel Read the favorite quotes on @RichardU's profile. I hope you will get the joke then.
 
Nofel
Nofel
I know he is gonna ask it again
and say something wrong
I wanna answer him in polite manner reminding him if it was easy
 
SoylentGray
SoylentGray
2:13 PM
@Lilienthal It wasnt how can i accomplish goal... it was what goals are there for me to try to accomplish.l.. and yes we have far to many of those as is they are shopping lists
 
enderland
enderland
@Kaz That's one of my favorite articles and I think it still holds true (at least in the USA, not sure on other countries?)
 
angarg12
angarg12
@enderland I live in Germany and I found the article very relevant
there may be cultural differences but the point still stands
I've heard that in private HR people complain about how they are short on candidates, so that's how the market is right now
 
Kaz
Kaz
Companies are always short on good candidates. The difficulty is just in figuring out who they are.
 
Nofel
Nofel
I emailed my ex-employerer asking him if he got any free lance project, he never replied
guess he is having good candidates
 
motosubatsu
motosubatsu
or he doesn't have any projects
 
Nofel
Nofel
2:22 PM
nah, he is good at his work
always hiring
he had to pull the plug on me coz I wasn't his type of guy
for back end
 
Valentin Silvestre
Valentin Silvestre
I've win so many rep point wow
 
Lilienthal
Lilienthal
2:37 PM
@angarg12 Yeah that matches what I've read about it so far.
The bizarre part is that someone's setting up a two day training session to "prepare for the CSM". But to take a CSM you need to get 2 qualified days of training and what amounts to a perfunctory exam. Which makes those two internal trainings sound like rather a waste of time.
My hunch is that this guy is just going for CST and needs a certain number of trainings. :)
 
Richard U
Richard U
3:13 PM
@Kaz Companies are short on good candidates because they are unwilling to pay for good candidates. A friend of mine ends up getting let go every few years because he goes through this process:
Company is in a fix and needs an EXCELLENT person
Company pays big bucks for my friend
Management changes
New management says "why are we paying so much for this guy"?
New management lets him go.
rinse
repeat
also, six months after being let go, he usually gets a call from the company asking him to come back
 
Kaz
Kaz
@RichardU Does he double the number? That's what I'd do.
 
Richard U
Richard U
3:35 PM
@Kaz yeah, and the real laugh was that one couldn't get the authorization to pay him despite the fact that the problem they needed him to fix was costing them one million dollars per month. He was only asking for $300/hour.
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
So I just earned the Protect Questions Priv. How do you use it? I went to a protected question and did not see the "un-protect" option anywhere? @RichardU
anyone..
anyone...
bueller....
 
enderland
enderland
which question?
 
Richard U
Richard U
@MisterPositive I know that I can unprotect, but I'm over 20k
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
protect and unprotect are both at 15K
does a button appear?
 
Richard U
Richard U
@MisterPositive yes. Was it protected by a moderator?
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
3:42 PM
ah...
yes
it was
 
Richard U
Richard U
that's it then
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
I wasn't actually going to do it, I just wanted to see how.
:-S
 
enderland
enderland
there is a time period where only moderators can protect questions
I think if you find an older question you can see those options
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
@enderland Good idea, that is what I will do!
 
Richard U
Richard U
@MisterPositive here's one
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Q: How to handle senior developer shirking his work and giving it to interns instead of doing it?

sh5164This is a pretty specific situation. We are two interns working on a project for a few months and we are about to finish our internship. A senior developer has been designated to continue the project after we leave, and we are supposed to code with him as a team of three so that we can do a litt...

software-industry internship seniority delegation
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
3:48 PM
Jane already got it. ( As a mod, I don't think I get the un-do option for them )
 
Richard U
Richard U
@MisterPositive I can unprotect it, and I'm not a moderator
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
where is the option sir?
Your extra powers after 20K may be in play too @RichardU
@enderland Why can I not see the option to unprotect this question? workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/95990/…
 
enderland
enderland
hmmm I can't see it there either?
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
Yikes!
 
enderland
enderland
it's nested in a mod menu there
but I don't see it even here: workplace.stackexchange.com/q/278/2322
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
3:54 PM
@enderland Mod menue?
Oh
 
enderland
enderland
as a moderator I have a menu of mod actions
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
I see it now
its beside flag
I think my powers may not fully be implemented yet @RichardU @enderland
I can see it now, was not there before @enderland @RichardU
 
enderland
enderland
on which question?
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
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Q: How to handle senior developer shirking his work and giving it to interns instead of doing it?

sh5164This is a pretty specific situation. We are two interns working on a project for a few months and we are about to finish our internship. A senior developer has been designated to continue the project after we leave, and we are supposed to code with him as a team of three so that we can do a litt...

software-industry internship seniority delegation
 
enderland
enderland
I guess it nests that option for me always
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
3:55 PM
@enderland Its beside the link to flag
 
enderland
enderland
there is a timeframe for when it is available
I forget how long
but regular users cannot protect questions within X hours (not sure what X is though)
 
Mister Positive
Mister Positive
Thanks @RichardU and @enderland
 
David K
David K
@Nofel You seem to have a lot of questions about how to deal with problem people in your office. Have you started looking for another job?
 
Richard U
Richard U
@DavidK it looks like his situation is just about intractable
 
David K
David K
@RichardU Yeah, I would have walked away a long time ago. Being rude and disrespectful, particularly in a work environment, is something i have zero tolerance for
 
Richard U
Richard U
4:13 PM
@DavidK I just "encouraged" my project manager to seek other employment, which he has.
I wish him all the best, far away from me.
@enderland if you read my reply to the "burnout" question, you know why being called "privileged" is my berserk button.
 
 
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Masked Man
Masked Man
7:42 PM
@MisterPositive I had the same question when I got there. I soon found out that you don't get that option on every question, but only on questions that have received two "poor" answers. Poor being defined as score of -2 (I don't remember).
However, the other issue I had was I couldn't actually do anything with my new privilege, because @enderland had already protected everything that could be protected lol. So after a week, I just ignored that privilege, it was a waste of time to go fishing for protectable questions. :P
 
enderland
enderland
we get auto flags if questions receive X answers (I'm not even sure what that is tbh) which alerts us to problem ones pretty quick...
 
Masked Man
Masked Man
@DavidK To be honest, most of his problems stem from the desire to prove his boss-cum-colleague wrong and to get back at him. If he can let it go, life would become a lot simpler, but who am I to talk? ;)
@enderland Of course, surely I didn't expect that you keep refreshing the browser to see if any new protectable question shows up. ;) I do do that sometimes to see if any spam question shows up because those disappear pretty fast, and I want to raise my flag count and get a gold badge. :p
I am worried that if in future I choose to go through the troublesome activity of running for moderator election and unfortunately get elected as well, then I won't be able to increase my flagged posts score anymore. ;)
 
enderland
enderland
i occasionally flag comments?
 
Masked Man
Masked Man
Oh I didn't know that moderators could do that.
Since moderators have "binding" votes, I guessed that "flagging" a comment would be replaced by the action to be taken on it, such as deleting it for being rude.
So who gets to act on the comments flagged by a moderator?
 
Richard U
Richard U
8:10 PM
Ouch! In so much pain today (neuropathy is acting up)
 

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