@Kulfy I'm getting reports here that the BMC is refusing to let people see the results of their coronavirus swab tests. Can you confirm whether this is happening elsewhere?
I.e. that they are giving the test to people, and then refusing to give them the results? Even when they are saying it is positive and putting them in quarantine.
Just to be clear, this has happened to at least one person that I know. I.e. that they have kept him in quarantine and refusing to show him the test report.
This is perhaps not so surprising, after all, it's the Indian govt, but some confirmation would be nice.
@FaheemMitha I was in isolation center for 2 days after coming back from Pune and samples for the tests were collected there only. Instead of reports I only got a fitness certificate mentioning that I have no symptoms and results were negative. When I asked for reports they said they have kept them for their records.
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My cook's son just got carted off to quarantine after he went to get a test done. But they are refusing to show him the test results.
I've now told everyone not to get tested by the BMC, because there is no point.
@terdon Yes, I thought that's what you meant, but was just checking. In a nutshell, that's India.
Oh, and they are telling the rest of the family (perhaps) to stay in quarantine. I say perhaps, because I haven't spoken to anyone in the BMC directly, and got conflicting reports. Not that there would be much point in speaking to them.
@Kulfy Did you have the nose swab test done? That's the standard coronavirus test here, I think.
Actually, a possible interpretation is that the BMC is not doing the tests at all, but throwing away the samples and pocketing the money that they are paid to do the tests.
This might seem like a particularly bizarre conspiracy theory, but unfortunately in India, this is perfectly possible. Also, the BMC has a very well deserved bad reputation.
@AndrasDeak And they normally collect the sample from the nose, right?
@FaheemMitha it's not supposed to be painful if done right, just hella uncomfortable. Unfortunately it's usually untrained personnel doing it. I.e. not done right
@FaheemMitha yes
@FaheemMitha also yes. But not necessarily for stealing
So if they pretended to be doing to be doing tests but didn't, it would almost certainly be stealing, otherwise they would have no motivation. They could simply not do the tests. Why pretend to do them?
@AndrasDeak Right. And from the mouth. But both could be very unpleasant, particularly if not done right.
@AndrasDeak It would be the motivator. There is no reason for them to be pretending to do tests otherwise. If they don't have the supplies, they don't have the supplies. Lying for no reason would be just taking pointless risks with no benefit.
@AndrasDeak I'll take your word for it. It certainly sounds very unpleasant.
@AndrasDeak Sounds like overkill, but perhaps they just want to make sure.
@Kulfy Someone should introduce the Indian government to the concept of copies. And copy machines. 20th century inventions.
Incidentally, we have cases skyrocketing over here, so people are very distraught. This kind of thing is obviously not helping.
@Kulfy Not a good reason. And there are obvious ways around such concerns. Add a unique identifier that cannot be easily duplicated. I'm sure there are many such options. None of which take a genius to think of.
By not easily duplicated meaning a string that has to conform to some scheme - doesn't really matter what. Something mathematical would work. A 10 year old could come up with something.
@Kulfy Oh, sorry. I meant, how long did the actual process of taking the sample from the mouth go on for?
@FaheemMitha if they wanted to lie and not actually do the test, it would make no sense not to show you the results. Far simpler to show you fake results so you wouldn't think there was anything wrong.
And people in India are relatively accepting. Try something like that in Europe, and it would not go well, I imagine. But actual Europeans feel free to comment.
@terdon Someone would have to actually sit down and generate a form, with the patient information and so on.
But this is all speculation. The bottom line is that not showing people a test which you are using as a basis for disrupting their lives is just wrong.
Dunno, I can get that they're doing this for some weird bureaucratic reason, I just don't see how not showing you the results would make it any easier to fake the test.
But I'm (still) biologically illiterate. Despite having spent a number of years in a biology research group. Probably I should go back to school and learn something this time.
@Kulfy Instrospection? You mean drastic reform and upgrading?
@Kulfy I forgot to ask, are you a fellow Maharashtrian? I was born and bought up in Bombay. Though I'm not ethnically Hindu, so I don't know if it is correct to call myself Maharashtrian.
@terdon That involves a number of assumptions. Telling someone something involves no paperwork whatsoever. Assuming there is paperwork somewhere is a leap.
@Kulfy Fair enough. Doesn't sound very likely, though. And someone with basic analytic skills needs to do so. Doesn't sound like the RSS to me.
@Kulfy Oh. We have a lot of UP people here, yes. They probably regret coming here, though.
@Kulfy One of the people who works for me is from UP. And he says he gets a lot of discrimination from the locals. Presumably Hindus. I can't imagine a Muslim would care.
Still strange, though. Even for India.
He just went home, actually. To drop off his family. It's getting iffy here.
I am from Bangalore and people here tend use the word only to emphasise something in a sentence. For example:
We are getting that only printed.
What is the proper way to put it?
Indian English use of "only" meaning something like "itself". I personally don't like this usage, nor do I consider it standard, though some of the people in that thread seem to be fine with it.
As I understand, India consists of quite a large number of groups, with their distinct identity and language and so forth. Some of them quite ancient. And most of whom the Govt. of India ignores, unless they can think of a way to get votes from them.
@Kulfy The latter is correct, yes. The former is horribly wrong. As in, probably wrong even in "Indian English".
Is a CFL parser counted as an automaton? Even more, is a CFL parser counted as a PDA?
I found that a CFL parser is defined directly based on a CFG, while the concepts of CFG and PDA are defined completely independently, so I guess no: a CFL parser is more close to a CFG, than to a PDA.
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@Tim It seems like you're trying the patience of the people in this room, the last place on the network that doesn't just send you away. I'd be more careful with that precious resource.
Then what are you asking? Yes, if you're referring to the reviewers, it should be who are ruthless.
You could also say that are ruthless, but that would be making a distinction between those who are ruthless and those who aren't. To illustrate: "My lawnmower, which is in the garage, is green" (only one lawnmower, and it is green). And "My lawnmower that is in the garage is gree (many lawnmowers, the green one is in the garage).
However, that's a dying distinction, I think. Kind of like may vs can.
She does all of the stuff that can be done online (updating, answering queries, handling reservations etc) and her mother does what needs to be done onsite.
I am from Bangalore and people here tend use the word only to emphasise something in a sentence. For example:
We are getting that only printed.
What is the proper way to put it?
Is a CFL parser counted as an automaton? Even more, is a CFL parser counted as a PDA?
I found that a CFL parser is defined directly based on a CFG, while the concepts of CFG and PDA are defined completely independently, so I guess no: a CFL parser is more close to a CFG, than to a PDA.
But a...
