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2:46 AM
@terdon I liked many points of your meta post. I never knew the company much but what you said about contributing to our communities and not bothering much about future plan of the company sounds fine. It is the Knowledge which makes the society better, not money. :)
 
3:21 AM
Is there someone who just serial downvotes newbie questions? I've seen a lot downvoted in the past couple days for no reasons, doesn't seem like that kind of attitude would keep new users around
 
3:39 AM
@cutrightjm If you've seen that, that'd be something to report via the contact page. unix.stackexchange.com/contact ... I haven't been looking at enough of the incoming questions to know if that's happening or not.
 
I have been upvoting most of them because they're not bad questions, even if they aren't very complex. If I see many more I can do that
 
 
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5:11 AM
@terdon Just saw your post - because @Paṇḍyā posted a link to it.
You forgot to mention that moving to a different platform, or even helping to build one, is an option.
 
 
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6:30 AM
@derobert Random shot in the dark. Have you thought about Dropbox? I know that Russ Allbery works there, or used to. He's a pretty nice guy, though I'm sure he's busy like everyone else. If you inquire with him, he might respond.
His Linkedin profile still shows as Dropbox. But perhaps you don't want to relocate to SF.
It's a waste, though, really. Someone like that should really should be doing something more important, like help running the country. He couldn't make a worse job than the people currently doing it.
 
 
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8:54 AM
@cutrightjm There are special achievements (badges) for answering a downvoted question in such a way that the answer makes the question accumulate upvotes. You could try that?
Some cases of serial up/downvoting are reversed automatically.
Some users believe that asking a question about basic topics is bad.
I believe that, provided that some effort has been made to find a solution (without success), asking a question is the right thing to do.
 
9:08 AM
@Paṇḍyā thanks :)
@FaheemMitha I didn't forget. That post is for those people who don't want to leave.
 
9:27 AM
@terdon Oh. Well, once there actually is a viable site up and running, it might not be a bad idea to mention it to people in these kinds of posts.
 
9:48 AM
Sure, but the whole point of that post, the only point, was about how people can continue here. Talking about leaving would defeat the purpose.
 
@terdon That's not entirely clear. Perhaps it's implied.
Judging from a brief scan of the answers, other people have also been similarly confused.
It sounds like a lot of people have given up on SE. Whether they are right in doing so, or not, I don't know.
 
10:29 AM
@FaheemMitha Yes, I know. But I don't see how it can be confusing, I am obviously talking about how people can stay. So I didn't want to discuss how people can leave.
 
11:20 AM
@terdon Well, personally I was confused. But perhaps I was reading too much into it.
 
 
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2:09 PM
curl -X POST -H 'Content-Type: application/json' -d '{"text": "Hello, world!"}' https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/dev-chat
 
@cutrightjm That is very nice of you!
@FaheemMitha I heard the same too. Unlike some which I still see around, I am forced to leave but I don't.
curl -X POST -H 'application/xwww-form-urlencoded' -d 'message=HelloChat' chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26
 
3:20 PM
@StackExchangeforAll HTTP 200 Success -- Hello, Tim!
@Jesse_b HTTP 200 | awk '{ print "Hello, Jesse_b!" }'
 
=)
@JeffSchaller On that question about "poll for the right output..." I think they meant it returns successful for success or "some other string" if not successful
 
@Jesse_b ahhh; thank you. I mis-parsed the sentence
 
@JeffSchaller =) I do it all the time lol
I didn't catch the sleep 5 min part ;). Although I think that is one of the smaller errors in that code :p
 
I know they didn't ask "Why doesn't my loop sleep for 5 minutes?" but I'm just trying to write a useful answer
 
@JeffSchaller Yeah I changed my answer, but I think it may not be necessary for them to change their question. The point of a question is to have the errors fixed in the answer(s)
 
3:39 PM
@Jesse_b fair enough; it's a really minor point in the overall scheme of things
 
Yeah I don't strongly agree or disagree, I was just thinking the rest of their code is also wrong and we definitely wouldn't want them to correct that to actually work, it would invalidate the question
Anyway, have an upvote...even though I didn't get one >.> cough
 
@Jesse_b sorry to hear about your cough - hope it gets better soon ;)
 
=)
 
4:37 PM
ISPs are the worst. I had a circuit flap yesterday so I opened a ticket with them including the router logs of the circuit going down, they updated the ticket saying "We didn't see any errors on our end"
I emailed them back saying "Well that definitely means you need to fix your monitoring system because the circuit did in fact go down..."
 
4:48 PM
@jesse_b "the thing that went down didn't send us any logs; guess we're OK"
 
@JeffSchaller Yeah I just don't get how that is a valid defense, regardless of whether or not the outage was their fault they should at least get a notification of the outage
 
@jesse_b they did -- your ticket! :P
 
@JeffSchaller Yeah that's usually the case, I'm pretty sure the bigger ISPs don't actually have alerting on individual customer links and only rely on notifications from customers to know things are down
 
@jesse_b "we need to reduce our ticket count for some made-up metric; what can we do?" ---"This Nagios thing sends us most of our tickets, how about we just turn that off?"
 
One of the directors from zayo came here to talk to us once and told us they had a requirement to update all active tickets every 2 hours (or something like that) and that caused people to send completely empty updates on tickets when there wasn't actually anything to update
just to meet the metric
micromanagement metrics are always futile. For a while everyone in my department had to send out screenshots of our monitoring dashboards hourly to prove we were looking at them
Several times people sent out screenshots of a dashboard that clearly indicated a serious issue without realizing there was an issue
 
5:27 PM
@jesse_b A few weeks age, our internet went down. I reported it through a web form (on my phone). The form required me entering my current IP address. Since there was no internet, I had no IP, so I took the most recent one I had gotten from their DHCP server. When they got back to me they told me there was no issue since I clearly had an IP address. Duh.
 
@Kusalananda hah
Maybe they expect most users to not know any better and enter an APIPA address
 
@FaheemMitha Not really looking to relocate... though maybe I should finally set up a LinkedIn profile.
 
5:52 PM
@jesse_b That's usually the case. Otherwise, you get alerts, investigate, and find out the customer is moving their router, or whatever.
Or, back last time I worked at a (small!) ISP, people still sometimes turned things off for the night...
You might still monitor them, e.g., lose one customer off a piece of equipment, no big deal. Lose all the customers off that piece of equipment, that's something worth looking in to. (And of course it'll turn out to be a power outage.)
 
That makes sense
Yeah they always ask us to verify that our device is powered on even after I send them logs from the device
 
My ISP has monitoring which feeds their CRM so that their CRM system and support technicians know as much as possible when you call them, which is nice.
 
@jesse_b Wow, this is an ISP serving Joyent? You'd think they'd give a big customer something better than the tier 1 support guy they hired last week. (At home, I fully understand... and I bet that fixes a good portion of their calls...)
 
I.e. if you call their support number from a line associated with a router which is down, their menu will immediately direct you to tech support and you get a simplified script with fewer hoops to jump through.
 
@derobert Yeah we only get better service when we contact them as samsung (some of our circuits are registered to samsung)
 
6:00 PM
@StephenKitt That's nice. Last time I had to contact my ISP at home (Verizon FIOS), their systems are just... confused.
I do not have phone service, that confuses them. So I use a cell phone number, which would maybe work, except it is a number that was ported out of Verizon Wireless years ago. So they keep trying to send me to Verizon Wireless :-(
 
@derobert yes, it was a huge improvement, before that they always had you run through a ton of simple tests (including rebooting the router, which causes interesting issues when you’re phoning using that router...)
And my cell phone number is recognised in their system as tied to my home line, which helps.
I’m being upgraded to fibre at the end of February too \o/
 
Of course, it wasn't as bad as when they sent a tech out. They sent their techs out with locked down equipment (Windows, of course) where they can't change the settings. They're set to DHCP. I have static IPs. So they send techs with equipment that can't actually connect to my line.
... and then the techs call their support, and no one can fix that.
 
Fantastic
 
They ultimately decided they could let me run ping from my laptop. :-/
 
How generous of them ;-)
 
6:04 PM
@derobert You don't have a Linkedin profile?
 
Yeah. I hope they've improved before the next time I have to have them fix something!
 
@derobert Are you thinking of working remotely?
 
Their attempts to fix a T1 back when I had one (years ago) were comical, too. It was back when they were first installing FiOS, their crew cut through the copper lines for the neighborhood. They kept sending guys with new T1 cards out, who kept reporting back "nope, copper is cut, send a guy to fix it". I think they managed to get three or four of the guys with line cards dispatched, before finally getting someone who could temporarily fix the lines.
@FaheemMitha nope, don't have a linked in (though I guess I really should set one up), and I'd be happy to work remotely
 
I'd like FiOS here. Or anything reliable, really. One of my lines is really unreliable. It keeps doing down.
@derobert Wouldn't you miss the workplace socialization and banter?
 
Yeah, that's a bit of a downside. But no commute is a huge upside.
 
6:09 PM
I can confirm that!
 
6:23 PM
frosted butts
 
6:37 PM
I am reading about Flask. Its document leads me to MongoKit
 
7:16 PM
Anyone have access to a solaris machine?
NVM
 
7:53 PM
@jesse_b What for? I have a dormant VM that I could use.
 
Solaris ... that's still a thing? o.O
 
@ThomasWard Yes, most definitely. There was a question toady from a user about doing some bioinformatics-related task on a Solaris 10 machine.
Toady? Yes.
 
s/toady/today/ :p
and lol
 
As far as I'm concerned, Solaris is a fairly nice Unix, at least from a user's point of view. It was also the first Unix I ever used (or it may have been SunOS just before Solaris).
 
@ThomasWard yes, and it’s still being improved (admittedly in small increments)
Alan Coopersmith tweets about some of the changes every time a release happens
 
8:00 PM
I keep the Solaris 11.4 VirtualBox template around for the odd occasion when I need to test things.
 
it's non-free so heh. Explains why I don't keep tabs on it :p
 
8:17 PM
@Kusalananda Someone was looking for something in fcntl.h but they already found it
 
8:30 PM
@ThomasWard Illumos is free =)
 
Ah at lease some familiar faces are still around...
:D
 
8:46 PM
@Fabby ... yeah, and some of us just exist to mess with you. evil grin
 
:D :D ;D
@ThomasWard I missed you!
I've moved on to Manjaro (Arch for Dummies)
 
@Fabby this i heard. this said, HERETIC! condemns you to the Void
doesn't matter, though, I'm still alive everywhere :P
 
And as I'm still a N00b there, I'm not asking any intelligent questions here yet.
 
Neither am I.
 
:-)
 
8:49 PM
Trying to find out when all my Ubuntu Privileges were awarded, so I can add them to my LinkedIn Profile as I'm looking for a new job...
Hah! The usual suspects!
 
/me currently trying to figure out why the Chelsio TLS driver allocates extra memory
 
@StephenKitt Just thought of you about 2h ago when I read IBM's financial results for RH
 
@Fabby heh thanks ;-)
 
@Fabby Well my privilege set keeps increasing, Core Dev for at least 6 months now (means full upload rights to the Ubuntu repos)
... and maybe some additional leadership roles in the future
maybe
 
@StephenKitt Don't expect any help from me: more than... 15? years ago since I wrote > 1000 lines of C code...
 
8:52 PM
@ThomasWard nice!
 
@ThomasWard Holy moly! Prostrates on the floor and shuffles out backwards...
 
@StephenKitt it's 2020, memory is free
@Fabby Prostates on the floor?
 
@Fabby oh the C isn’t hard to understand here, I can’t figure out what the extra space is used for, or whether it’s a leftover and should be dropped
@jesse_b not in the kernel
 
@Fabby a chance i'll apply to be on the Ubuntu Developer Membership Board. Which is a Big Deal. xD
 
@jesse_b ProstRate! Damn! With an R
(corrected)
 
8:53 PM
lol
 
@ThomasWard then we can bribe you ...
 
other things you've missed though @Fabby is that I'm also helping the Ubuntu Studio flavor team regularly now xD
 
Would be a pretty interesting predicament to have one's prostate on the floor
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everything they need sponsored goes through me lol
 
@StephenKitt He's cheap: a 4TB 10K RPM Helium-filled drive will do the trick!
 
8:54 PM
@jesse_b More weird if it became sentient and started doing things on its own, like a few scifi shows I've seen lately. xD
@Fabby my storage needs have gotten heavier
I now need 10 x 4TB NVMe Samsung EVO PROs
:P
 
@Fabby only 4TiB? might as well get SSDs then
 
@jesse_b Yeah... Luckily tis is not the AU room and no one starred it!
@ThomasWard Ouch! What does that cost nowadays? 5K? That's more than my last gross salary!
 
I got $300 credit to the samsung store this year =)
 
@jesse_b That's about 7% of what @ThomasWard needs...
 
@Fabby yes a lot :P
 
8:58 PM
@Fabby 1k each in Europe
 
10K€! Ouch!
 
amazing how cheap SSDs have become
(relatively speaking of course)
 
@StephenKitt SATA SSDs or NVMe SSDs?
NVMe is still expensive as hell, but SATA SSDs are relatively cheap yes
 
... maybe not at the scale I need em but xD
 
9:02 PM
@ThomasWard If you need that many, you micght as well get the Helium drives: They're fast!!!
(Too fast for what I use them for)
 
@ThomasWard even lower capacity NVMe is getting to reasonable levels
but yeah, high-end NVMe is still really expensive
and quite funky, what with namespaces and all that
 
Ive got 2* 256 nVME and 1* 2TB in my Laptop.
Planning on mirroring the nVMEs after I upgrade them to 512 MByte.
 
@StephenKitt my laptop only has one slot for a drive - NVMe. My 1TB one cost me $300 but it was on sale from like $600 and it works well still
EVO Plus but still not bad.
@Fabby I mean, you could get me 10 x 4TB WD RED NAS drives or WD Black Enterprise drives, but... :p
 
@ThomasWard I've got space for 2*NVMe, and one drive, but then it's not really a portable... more a TRANSportable!
 
heh
 
9:08 PM
@ThomasWard That would be as a bribe to get something out of you though and as I'm currently on the Arch line...
;P
 
If you wanted something on Ubuntu, 10k€ would get you a decent amount of consulting directly from Canonical...
 
That's an entire year worth of savings! Out of my leage!
:(
OK. Done updating LinkedIn profile...
And done updating CV.
Time to read the other 2600 pages of the UEFI 2.6 spec...
If you have trouble falling asleep, I can recommend the above literature!
 
9:25 PM
hands @Fabby "The Idiot's Guide to the Windows Kernel and its Syscalls"
 
@ThomasWard I was already googling that. It doesn't seem to be a thing...
 
I wrote it
it's just 10000 pages of random gibberish from /dev/urandom
 
Ah!
 
Oh!
 
9:27 PM
Windows Internals is actually a pretty interesting read
 
@Fabby ... why lol xD
 
@StephenKitt I read that years ago...
 
sends @StephenKitt into the Eternal Abyss of the Damned
:P
 
@ThomasWard oh, I just saw jesse_b’s prostate on the way down!
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9:29 PM
Inside Windows NT, Second Edition (Microsoft Press, 1998) was written by David Solomon. It updated the original book to cover Windows NT 4.0 and had a greatly increased level of technical depth.
^---- that one!
Back then, All the books we bought were paid back by the boss as long as we shared them.
I still have TCP/IP Illustrated Vol I lying around somewhere.
 
@StephenKitt I'm sorry
 
Oh god! That'll be there for another couple of weeks!
 
@jesse_b it was on its way back up, it may soon return to its rightful owner
 
AFK BRB
 
@StephenKitt ... unless it gets flung deeper into the Abyss. :P
 
9:42 PM
@ThomasWard there are some forces too strong even for Ubuntu core devs ;-)
Coming soon to cinemas near you, Jesse and the possessed prostate
 
LOL
 
The curse of first names which sort-of-rhyme with Freddy
Fabby, you’re next
 
10:26 PM
English ir only my third or fourth language depending how you count...
I can read the words and understand them individually, but i have no effing clue what you're blabbering on about.
>:-)
 
10:51 PM
Just found a hosting service that provides free hosting under limited resources
In case any of you is looking for one
"pythonanywhere"
 
11:41 PM
@StackExchangeforAll POOTIS
shot
(yes i'm crazy random :P)
 
If that is you, thanks. @ThomasWard
Not sure what you meant by POOTIS
because I have never played video games
 

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