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10:52 AM
@Fabby Bah, typical of ex-gf. bah
 
:D ;-) :D
 
Well, anyone tried OpenVAS on stretch working? Setting it up is not a sweet cake, and once you think you finish, it seems stretch comes with a bug version already fixed up uptream....
 
My response was to sing "forever young"
 
@Fabby Some of their bag of BS reverse-psyco tricks do not work anymore in older people
 
@RuiFRibeiro Starred so you might be pinged profusely about this.
(Remove???)
 
10:54 AM
@Fabby who cares lol :-P
haaaa
@Fabby you are talking about OpenVAS....thatś fine
@Fabby It is failling....took some hours to discover how to piece together the puzzle, and now it seems a buggy version. Frustating.
 
I don't even know what a VAS is, so...
NAS/SAN, LAN/WAN/MAN, ...
 
@Fabby it is an open source vulnerability scanner
 
Ah...
 
@Fabby I used to know nessus long, long time ago but now it is too expensive.
@Fabby Not feeling installing it from sources right now....the setup is already difficult using packages
The OpenVAS debian packages are quite a shoddy job.
might try the VM or not....
 
@RuiFRibeiro Why don't you just metasploit?
 
11:00 AM
@Fabby A similar beast, but not what I need right now.
@Fabby Yeah, I know alphaville....
@Fabby Gotta install Kali to use OpenVas...them I can get my revenge asking ******* question muahhhhhaah
 
@RuiFRibeiro :D :D :D
 
@Fabby bought a new shiny toy....a samsung Galaxy smartwatch....google authenticator on your pulse lol
 
@RuiFRibeiro On your pulse???? failed to authenticate: Error: Having sex
;-)
 
@Fabby I have my share of crazy ex-----.....unfortunately of fortunately the mother of my child is one of those ....
@Fabby You are supposed to sleep with the darn thing on.
 
Yeah, I don't have that problem...
 
11:06 AM
@Fabby The worst case was a portuguese woman working for Doctor without borders that I dated abroad....completely nuts.
 
She was nuts and you were thinking with the wrong head...
:P ;-)
 
@Fabby HAAAH.... I was very different with her....for the worse. We were two jerks trying to outcompete each other....she asked me to return to our country to work for her father in the military.
lol
@Fabby I told her....NO.
 
I treat everyone equally: I'm an equal opportunity offender.
I need food!
 
@Fabby we are one hour behind. We can found the club of equal opportunity offenders in SE... LOL
 
FOOD!
BBL8R
 
11:11 AM
@Fabby C ya later on
 
 
1 hour later…
12:21 PM
@RuiFRibeiro You're joking, right?
BRB
 
12:41 PM
@Fabby for a moment thought you were someone else ;) LOOOL
 
@Fabby Gnome terminal, yeah? Try rxvt or lxterminal, or xterm....
 
Urgh...
@RuiFRibeiro XTerm
 
12:54 PM
@Kusalananda these are in the bash.bashrc because I want them globally available. So how do I "export" these variables (and WTF is exporting?)
(googling in the meantime)
So if I get this correct adding declare -x before the variables will export them and make them globally available...
(I vaguely remember reading about this a few years ago, but never had to use it, so it was filed away in the back of my brain.
I'm an idiot: adding export to my bash.bashrc solved the problem
 
1:11 PM
@Fabby Oh, it's you :-) I never look at who's asking...
 
:D >:-)
 
export turns a shell variable into an environment variable. Environment variables are inherited by child processes.
 
Yup. Read that.
Just left a comment: works when I do it in bashrc, but not in profile.d
 
Because you haven't started a new login shell.
 
I suppose profile.d is called by all terminal applications and that is where it shopuld go?
I did open a new tab.
lemme quit comprletely.
 
1:13 PM
It may well be that your terminal application does not start a login shell by default.
 
So reboot?
 
I'm unsure whether the graphical environment reads the file. Try logging in and out.
Rebooting should definitely not be needed.
 
Phew!
C U in 2 minutes.
@Kusalananda That was it!
Accepting!
 
Cool. Good.
@Fabby See also the added bit about cronjobs at the end of the answer.
 
so /etc/profile.d is the place to put system-wide customisation for all terminals AFAIU.
Please confirm?
 
1:19 PM
I would say so, yes.
 
@Kusalananda Yeah, well: it's about displaying colours on the terminal
So if cron does not display the ansi codes in its log files: so much the better!
:D ;-)
 
It's better to put files under profile.d than to modify the files provided by your distribution.
 
Uhuh: I've noticed that when I reinstalled 16.04: lots of work to integrate old system into new system.
I've learned a lot today! Thanks
 
Good, you're welcome!
 
Got reminded about export and learned about profile.d
I haven't dabbled with ANSI codes since... 1988???
 
1:22 PM
As someone who cares for multi-user systems, I would generally not put stuff like this into the system-wide configs, but into my personal shell init files (.bashrc).
 
(BBS systems)
@Kusalananda Yeah, well: I'm an admin of one system with 2 users: me as user and me as root.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Or, if it's just for for a single script, in that script. Or, a separate file that one or many scripts can source if needed.
 
(but I like the approach of not changing distro files!
Full disclosure: I'm a suit nowadays
 
I wore a suit once.
 
But I like to keep learning new things and staying on the cutting edge.
@Kusalananda When you got married???
:D ;-)
 
1:25 PM
Never been married. No, I believe it was a friend's wedding.
 
:D :D :D
Even better! Must've been a very good friend for you to buy and wear a suit!
P.S. As even you had to scratch your head, a +1 on the question would be appreciated!
0:-)
Smoke! BRB...
 
I once went to a job inteview and another guy turning up for the same position was wearing a suit. He looked so uncomfortable I felt sorry for him.
@Fabby Sure. Forgot.
 
Thanks!
@Kusalananda >:-)
I got to be a SysEng in my first job because I was the only one owning a suit and willing to wear it to visit customers.
:@Kusalananda and edited. (Please verify I didn't write anything dumb)
Yup, that was the bit I wasn't sure about!
 
Just corrected minor things (and I don't like bold text)
 
No worries: your answer, your prerogative...
Just wanted to make it more readable. (and reorder in case someone else comes across the same issue)
Hah! Just got a downvote on my question... (without comment of course)
 
 
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6:27 PM
Just ran into a Stéphane Chazelas answer I learnt a lot and did it while laughing...
 
6:47 PM
Stephane sounds like a really hygenic cook.
 
Bonjour
 
Hey @PrabhjotSingh.
 
@FaheemMitha Hello, how are you ?
 
@PrabhjotSingh Not good, but better than yesterday. You can see my comments yesterday in the history.
 
@FaheemMitha Taking off life supporting machines is not a small thing.
 
6:53 PM
@PrabhjotSingh It isn't, sure. But I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to.
 
Unless someone is in vegetative state, they cant put it off.
 
@PrabhjotSingh I don't see where I suggested doing that. If you are referring to something I wrote.
Some context would really help.
 
22 hours ago, by Faheem Mitha
Oh, yes, and I forgot to say that the other thing she said was that doctor would tell me to take my mother off the ventilator and let her die.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Ah, yes. That sounded unlikely to me too. It sounds like the sort of thing that a doctor could lose his license for. And face criminal charges. Even in India.
I suspect this doctor was just making stuff up.
Because she doesn't want me to get a second opinion. For whatever reason.
So, how are you doing? Any plans for investing?
 
@FaheemMitha Supreme court said active euthanasia is not allowed.
 
6:57 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Do you have a reference?
 
@PrabhjotSingh I know you work in a hospital, so if you have any advice re my mother's situation, I'd be happy to hear it. But maybe in a different room, to avoid annoying people here any more than they have already been annoyed. Though I'm not sure if I know how to create rooms.
@PrabhjotSingh Thanks.
 
@FaheemMitha She doesn't want to lose patients. She is specialist or gp ?
 
@PrabhjotSingh Chest specialist. Currently head of her hospital department, I believe.
Respiratory diseases is the name of the department, I think.
@PrabhjotSingh If that is her intention, it's counter-productive. I've had mixed feelings about this doctor for awhile, but I'm now planning to look for a different chest specialist. And when I speak to him/her, one of the first things I shall ask if that I or someone close to me is lying in a hospital bed under your care, would you object to a second opinion on the case?
This is called (trying to) learn from experience.
 
@FaheemMitha Is respiratory problem a complication or primary problem or comorbid problem ?
 
7:04 PM
@PrabhjotSingh It's a comorbidity.
Well, it's caused by the underlying disease.
 
Then this is a complication.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Yes.
 
@FaheemMitha why don't you go to PGI.
 
@PrabhjotSingh PGI?
 
@FaheemMitha I mean State run medical college.
 
7:10 PM
@PrabhjotSingh You mean a government hospital? I'm not sure what PGI stands for.
 
Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education
 
Btw, are you familiar with the investments of this Jhunjhunwala guy? He's in the news a lot.
@PrabhjotSingh Where is that located?
 
@FaheemMitha yes, Govt. Hospital with medical college.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Those places tend to be really crowded. But I admit I've not researched them. Any specific suggestions in Bombay?
 
There is JJ hospital. Very famous
 
7:13 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Chandigarh is a bit far from me.
@PrabhjotSingh Yes, that's close to us. Are you suggesting going there for advice?
 
@FaheemMitha yes. Do as i say not as i do. Your words.
 
@PrabhjotSingh More context, please.
 
@FaheemMitha I meant some medical college.
 
Is Jhunjhunwala one of those people who recommends index funds?
@PrabhjotSingh Sure, but what should I do with the medical college?
 
@FaheemMitha This guy trades in short term but advices long term.
 
7:15 PM
@PrabhjotSingh I see. Hmm.
Weird.
 
@FaheemMitha Medical colleges are far better than hospitals with these type of specialists.
 
@PrabhjotSingh You mean talk to the faculty? How would one access them?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, cuz they tell u diagnosis, treatment, pathology and more importantly prognosis.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Well, ok. But I don't see how one would contact them.
> First, India does not have a formal referral system routed through a general practitioner (GP).
Actually, India doesn't really have a functioning GP system. Not like in the West.
@PrabhjotSingh Interesting article. But finding good GPs isn't so easy. Finding incompetent ones is really easy.
 
@FaheemMitha These days almost everyone relies heavily on tests or invasive, non invasive procedures. They forgot Osler.
 
7:25 PM
@PrabhjotSingh I assume you mean Osler the Canadian physician.
Are you saying that doctors are poor at diagnostics?
 
@FaheemMitha yes, a great physician. Every internal medicine student resgards him.
@FaheemMitha Osler wrote somewhere see first.
History alone makes 70 % diagnosis. Then comes Physical examination approx 20 percent. They should spend on 70 and 20 percent. Remaining are tests or procedures.
" The practice of medicine is an art, not a trade; a calling, not a business; a calling in which your heart will be exercised equally with your head. "
 
@StephenKitt How long have you been programming / using *nix? looks like you've amassed all of the knowledge on everything...
(whenever I see a question popping up here in chat, i go: Oh, I'm going to research that)
only to find that you already answered 3 minutes ago!
:D
 
@Fabby DDs tend to be good at what they do. Typically it's a vocation.
@PrabhjotSingh I don't know if I agree with this proportions, but I take your point. Most doctors I see here are in one big hurry. They barely look at their patients.
Not that that disease is confined to India, of course. I had my worst medical experiences in the UK.
 
7:46 PM
@FaheemMitha I mean History is most iimportant thing and physical examination as well. Most of the patients need not tests or procedures.
A section of mediocrity too relies on tests.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Patients don't necessarily know their history. Or get it wrong.
 
And most of these tests have false positive a.d false negative results.
 
@PrabhjotSingh They aren't all binary, though.
 
@FaheemMitha You got it wrong. Physician should ask questions related to every system. Plus family/past history.
@FaheemMitha Sensitivity and specificity
 
@PrabhjotSingh Yes, but again, the patient may now have the answers, or give incorrect answers. I agree that the patient should be examined properly, and the doctors should ask questions.
 
7:58 PM
@FaheemMitha Yes, patient may give wrong answers. Or he may not cooperate Because of stress, family issues. But there is physical examination. A medico should never be angry at a patient cuz of not telling symptoms. Medico is trained for this patient is not trained for this
 
@PrabhjotSingh Agreed.
 
And if after examination, no diagnosis could be reached then there are tests .
@FaheemMitha plz read.
 
@PrabhjotSingh ok
 
@FaheemMitha HPCL and L&T fin good for investing.
 
@PrabhjotSingh So are you?
 
8:12 PM
@FaheemMitha Yes, I bought HPCL now. For L&T Will see outcome of RBI board meet on Nov 19.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Oh. How much did you buy?
 
@FaheemMitha 50 shares. Will buy more if this goes above 255.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Ok.
 
8:29 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Do you have any idea why HPCL went down?
@PrabhjotSingh Cipla is a good buy if you don't currently have it. At the current price, it's virtually certain to rise.
 
@FaheemMitha because crude oil touched a high of $82. Higher crude prices hurt petroleum companies.
 
@PrabhjotSingh I see. Why do you think it will rise again?
 
Brent crude in fact
@FaheemMitha Now crude is coming down. $59 last time when. I saw
 
@PrabhjotSingh I see.
 
@FaheemMitha My mentor used to say buy stocks like cipla, l&t and relax.
 
8:34 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Well, Cipla is currently quite down. I know, because I track it.
 
Cipla will take time to go up. Because of pure technicals.
 
It's growth path is remarkably stable, as stocks go.
@PrabhjotSingh Yes. 6 months to a year, if the past is any judge.
 
@FaheemMitha But technical charts matter.
 
@PrabhjotSingh I expect they do. But I don't know much about them.
 
Whenever a stock hits 52 week low, no one really knows how deep a correction would be
@FaheemMitha Divi 's took 7 months. It corrected from 1200, touched 570 I think. After 1 year this is 1525.
 
8:40 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Nothing about stocks is certain. But Cipla has been unusually stable. And there seems to nothing wrong with the business, as such.
 
@FaheemMitha This quarter wasn't good. Sales flat, OPM came down .
Nov 9 at 21:19, by Prabhjot Singh
Don't worry about zydus cadila, cipla, Aurobindo pharma, Sun pharma. Quality atocks. Plus these are exporters. See exchange rate.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I know.
@PrabhjotSingh What is OPM?
 
@FaheemMitha operating profit margin.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Ok.
 
@FaheemMitha Buy this above 600.nseguide.com/stock.php?CIPLA
 
8:46 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Why above 600?
 
@FaheemMitha Above 200 dma. See in link
 
@PrabhjotSingh So?
 
@FaheemMitha Above 200 dma, it is less likely to come down.
A basic for long term.
 
@PrabhjotSingh I don't think you can really predict what a stock will do.
 
@FaheemMitha whenever a stock goes above 200 dma, many funds buy it. Increased volume in itself is enough to take it higher.
A stock above 200 dma means it has factored in every bad or good news.
 
8:56 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Interesting. It's a strange world. Personally, I think it would be better to buy it now.
 
@FaheemMitha we can't predict. But if stock of 500 touches 1000, this would go thru 600. A simple thing.
@FaheemMitha You should buy only 25 percent now. Buy 25 percent above 50 dma and 50 % above 200 dma.
@FaheemMitha I have not studied mathematics. My brother once said that it is all about the combinations and permutations.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Huh?
 
@FaheemMitha I mean if you bought a stock, this we t higher. Don't sell it after some time. Buy more and more, this is not it's high. Still it may go higher.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Ok, but that doesn't have anything to do with math.
 
@FaheemMitha Leyland went down . This is almost debt free company. You saw it ?
 
9:11 PM
@PrabhjotSingh No.
 
@FaheemMitha He told me buying above certain level is insanity and just a permutation.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Ok.
 
Cipla is good. Buy this consistently. I would say buy 20 shares every month.
“Medicine is learned by the bedside and not in the classroom. Let not your conceptions of disease come from the words heard in the lecture room or read from the book. See and then reason and compare and control. But see first.” -William Osler
 
9:59 PM
Startpage.com a different look now.
 
10:18 PM
@PrabhjotSingh I wouldn't go that far.
 
@FaheemMitha Ok. One problem with index stocks is that their upside is limited.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Index stocks? How is that relevant?
 
Ten years back I saw it at 370. Now after 10 years it is at 540.
 
My point about Cipla was that I don't think it makes sense to buy at any price. Just when the price is low. Because it one of those slow and steady and predictable stocks.
@PrabhjotSingh Saw what?
 
@FaheemMitha index stocks are stocks that are part of nifty.
 
10:21 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Yes, I know what they are.
And I suspect Cipla isn't going to continue to grow at the rate it used to.
For a while it was doing really well.
 
@FaheemMitha Cipla. It has good antibiotics range. No 1 in respiratory or inhalers. But from 370 to 540 in ten years. Is it impressive growth for stock ? I don't think so.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Was it really so poor? By 540 you mean the price now?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes. Even Jeff bezos said Amazon will fail one day.
@FaheemMitha see nifty went from 4700 to 10k. But it hasn't. Yes price these days.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Don't follow.
 
@FaheemMitha Nifty 50, a benchmark got doubled.but this stock hasn't.
 
10:28 PM
@PrabhjotSingh You mean Cipla?
@PrabhjotSingh IBM is around 100 years old. It's still here.
 
@FaheemMitha Yes.
@FaheemMitha but it is not IBM of 70 's.
 
@PrabhjotSingh It's been essentially the same company for 100 years.
The name changed once.
 
I read IBM 's robots do better surgeries than surgeons.
@FaheemMitha I mean It is not numerous uno now.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Sure. I just meant it hasn't gone bankrupt.
 
IBM 's boss is a woman I think. She was saying they have 14 type of surgery doing robots.
@FaheemMitha It may.
 
10:37 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Anything is possible.
 
@FaheemMitha I feel General Electric may fail in days to come.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Why?
 
One defuct now is Wetinghouse electric coporation.
@FaheemMitha JP Morgan gave it's target $6.
 
@PrabhjotSingh I see. It's doing badly. I wonder why.
It used to be a really big and successful company. What happened?
 
@FaheemMitha It has large debt problem. There would be liquidity issues in coming days. Same IL & FS thing.
@FaheemMitha General Electric company was made large through acquisitions and mergers. It is a lesson for those who think large companies can't fail.
@FaheemMitha AIG and General Motors took money from US govt.
 

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