@muru stay out of their way and dont touch the kittens

find a nice dark spot somewhere they can access and put some towels on the floor. she'll move her kittens somewhere warm and out of the way (in my experience) when shes ready

@casey Too late for the first two. I'll leave the third and any future ones alone.

@Gilles There's a bluescreen missing in there for Windows ME.

@Gilles And a reboot for Windows NT.

@FaheemMitha It's a quote, from Person of Interest.

@JennyD Ok. The US TV series, presumably.

@FaheemMitha Yes, it's one of the few series I keep up with.

Hey everyone! Quick question: I had been studying for a certification, and having chosen CentOS as my distribution, the version that would be used in the test would be 6.4. I had to suspend my studying for a while, but now I wanted to pick it back up. It was recently announced that I can use either CentOS 6 or CentOS 7 — as I'm going to pick it back up, I'll essentially be starting from scratch, sooo.... Are there any reasons in particular why I should stick to 6 or change to 7?

(I asked this here since it does not seem like a good fit for the site, probably primarily opinion based)

@JNat I doubt it but I don't really do CentOS. As a general rule, the basics don't change. I doubt there will be any real differences. You should ask @slm when he's online though. He's our resident CentOS/Red Hat guy.

@terdon I know there are a few changes, such as 6 using init while 7 uses systemd.

@terdon Nevertheless, thanks. And is slm US based? They should be on in a couple of hours or so, right?

@JNat ^^ he's US based, North Carolina

@JNat Yup and yup.

@JNat Are you sure? I don't see any change in init system mentioned here: wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/…

@terdon I think so. I had tried 7 out back in Feb, and I seem to remember this. Lemme check

@terdon linuxacademy.com/blog/linux/…

@JNat Huh? That's the kind of thing you'd think they'd mention in the changelog under "major changes"!

inorite

I had checked that same link an hour or two ago, and thought the same thing

Perhaps that change happened before release 7. Dunno. We'll ask @slm when he comes by.

@terdon here it is mentioned

@JNat Ah, thanks, I was looking through that but it's too huge.

In that case, it's probably best to use 7. Systemd is certainly worth learning. It looks like it's slowly winning the init wars.

@terdon i think it will eventually become the standard on linux, so it is definitely worth learning. Aside from the vitriolic rhetoric surround it, from a user perspective not much actually changes and in my limited experience writing a systemd unit vs an init script, I'm happy with the systemd unit

@casey Personally, I don't give a damn. I wish they'd chose one and stick to it so I don't need to learn 4 different ones.

@terdon agreed. I'll work with whatever is on my boxes. it would be nice if they were all the same!

I am looking for a cheap wireless usb dongle. I do not need 802.11n, but do need 802.11a, b, and g. Would like one that has kernel support and works out of the box.

@terdon Does slm ever come to chat?

@JNat He comes to chat, but his work has kept him away a lot more recently (new job I think?)

I see

Well, I'll probably try CentOS 7 around before making a decision, but it'd be nice to hear the thoughts of an expert

Have you considered asking in IRC as well @JNat?

Often times it is fast and helpful.

IRC had slipped my mind

Thanks for that

;)

np! :D

Here's the wiki page: wiki.centos.org/irc

Good luck with the certification!

Thanks!

@Seth I never really used IRC in the past. When I started playing around in Linux (a year ago or a bit more) I started using it here and there, but it never stuck to me, so I always end up forgetting about it.

@JNat It's used quite extensively in the FOSS community. Matter of fact freenode is almost entirely dedicated to FOSS/OSS projects. I never used it, or even heard of it either until I started using Linux either :p

@Seth Do you use Linux professionally?

@JNat naw, but I'd like to some day..

I see

@Seth Just as a dev tool, or as sysadmin or similar?

@JNat Everything I can :)

ohh, misunderstood that.

Any active plans for pursuing that right now, or is it just a "one day..." kinda thing?

@JNat studying whatever I can right now, planning on going for an AA and BA/BS as soon as I can, so right now, I guess?

Sounds like right now, yeah :P

People on IRC seem to agree that 7 is probably the way to go, given that systemd is gradually replacing init

So I guess I'll give it a go before officially changing the version on the certificate

ooh, yes. That would be a big difference.

I did not know that CentOS has moved away from SysV Init though..

In that case systemd has pretty much gotten itself the monopoly, so to speak..