/dev/chat

Oh, weird. I opened the page again, and got a different looking bug report form, but with similar content. The strangest thing is that it was partly filled, including my title.

Reported as code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=401603

Max Vernon

6:20 PM

sorry for asking such a noob question, but in AIX what does "There are running jobs." mean when I type exit? Probably that there are running jobs; however I did not knowingly create any jobs at all...?

Faheem Mitha

@MaxVernon Normally these are jobs that you are created/started.

Max Vernon

Could using an ampersand between too commands cause that? like tail -f 20140103.txt & tail -f 20140117.txt - I pressed CTRL-C to exit tail.

Faheem Mitha

@MaxVernon Hmm. List running processes

Max Vernon

ps ?

Faheem Mitha

In linux one does ps aux.

@MaxVernon With suitable flags. Check the man page

Max Vernon

6:26 PM

ok

Faheem Mitha

For starters, you want to restrict to processes owned by you

So here, no a. But since this is AIX, the flags are presumably different anyway

Max Vernon

it seems ps by itself shows a list of my processes

Faheem Mitha

@MaxVernon ok

terdon

@MaxVernon yes, that's exactly what it would do.

Max Vernon

wow thats a big man page

terdon

6:28 PM

The message means you have a job running in the background.

Run jobs to see them.

Max Vernon

cool.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Interesting. Did not know that.

Max Vernon

thanks. jobs works perfectly. Now I'm confused about why tail -f xxx & tail -f yyy [Enter] followed by [CTRL-C] would result in a background job running.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Shell builtin?

Max Vernon

and presumably exiting the session would end the job?

terdon

6:32 PM

@FaheemMitha yup. It goes with bg and fg.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon ah

terdon

@MaxVernon Yes, unless you've done something tricky like use disown or nohup

Faheem Mitha

@MaxVernon yes. the shell or whatever. unless you are doing screen or whatnot

or that tmux thing that is in vogue these days. same diff

Max Vernon

thanks guys. clearly I have a lot of learning to do

is there another way to end the job other than exit - perhaps ej???

terdon

@MaxVernon Just don't start by reading the ps man page. It's scary.

Max Vernon

6:35 PM

@terdon no kidding.

terdon

@MaxVernon just run fg and then kill it with Ctrl+C

Max Vernon

@terdon that worked. So why didn't it kill when I hit CTRL-C right after running the tail -f xxx & tail -f yyy command?

thanks for your help, again, by the way!

terdon

@MaxVernon Because that's what the & does. Your command launched the 1st tail in the background and immediately launched the second.

Since it was running in the background, fg brought it to the foreground where it can now catch signals like Ctrl+C

See help fg and help bg

Max Vernon

OOOHHHHH

so if I want to tail too files in the same tty, can I launch one in the background and still see its output?

multitail is not installed on this box.

by the way I'm looking at:

2

Q: How to tail multiple files using tail -0f in Linux/AIX

I tried tailing two files using the option: tail -0f file1.log -0f file2.log In Linux I see an error "tail : can process only one file at a time". In AIX I see the error as "Invalid options". This works fine when I use: tail -f file1 -f file 2 in Linux but not in AIX. I want to be able t...

tail

had an issue this weekend where I would have loved to see the output of too logs at the same time

Gilles

@derobert it's made up (I looked it up when this came out, if you google you should be able to find the author's blog)

ryekayo

6:42 PM

@MaxVernon, I am not sure if you tried my suggestion but if you have tmux installed that may work for you in a sense

Max Vernon

@ryekayo ksh: tmux: not found. :-(

terdon

@MaxVernon No. Well, kinda. You can launch it in the background but to see its output you will need to bring it to the foreground. To launch one tail and then another, you would use ; to separate the commands, not &.

ryekayo

Ah yeah, you would have to install its package to get that to work, what about running a screen session?

Max Vernon

hmmm... I do have the ability to login using multiple Putty sessions, and that is likely what I'll do in future. I'd just like to not have to switch windows to watch output.

ryekayo

hmmm.. yeah screens would essentially work. its a bummer you dont have tmux installed, thatd be perfect for what you are trying to do. But fiddling with screen's can also work as well

Max Vernon

6:47 PM

interesting screen is installed. I'll look at it.

ryekayo

Good luck. I am not a 100% with screen commands but screen --help will give you the basics

Max Vernon

thanks!

ryekayo

anytime

Gilles

@Ramesh ! isn't, # is. The character # goes by many names (see Wikipedia); in music it's called “sharp”

♯ in music isn't exactly the same character as # as in number. Unicode has ♯ U+266F MUSIC SHARP SIGN, distinct from # U+0023 NUMBER SIGN. But it's a good enough approximation for ASCII.

Max Vernon

@ryekayo screen is sweet.

ryekayo

6:56 PM

I use it all the time :)

Max Vernon

CTRL-A 0 and CTRL-A 1 to switch between screens

nice

ryekayo

really nice!!

I updated my answer to that question

terdon

@Gilles And handwriting.

Gilles

@FaheemMitha indeed, the dv/uv ration on U&L is the 26th smallest among the 123 sites on the network (as of about a month ago)

site-name           dv/uv
tex                 0.010
tridion             0.016
craftcms            0.020
gardening           0.020
expressionengine    0.025
genealogy           0.025
scicomp             0.027
matheducators       0.028
blender             0.029
aviation            0.030
bricks              0.030
homebrew            0.030
boardgames          0.035
mathematica         0.035
opendata            0.035
outdoors            0.035
pets                0.036
productivity        0.037
sound               0.038

Max Vernon

@Gilles where did you see that?

or is that mod-only?

Gilles

7:11 PM

@MaxVernon from the data explorer

plus a bit of local postprocessing

the site as a whole has a dv/uv ratio of ~0.042. This doesn't include deleted posts (which tend to have a lot more downvotes than posts that don't get deleted).

My personal dv/uv ratio is 0.042 as well, including deleted posts. I don't downvote enough.

Max Vernon

@Gilles the top member on our site has a ratio of 0.001 - don't feel bad.

(dba.se)

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles tex is at the bottom. unsurprising. good for them.

Interesting statistics.

@Gilles I don't like downvoting and downvotes. Except for spam, trolls and lunatics. And we don't get many of those, fortunately.

Braiam

@FaheemMitha spam needs flags, not downvotes

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Flagging with a spam flag gives an automatic downvote, so, two birds.

Gilles

Spam → flag as spam. Trolls → flag as offensive. Lunatics → flag as VLQ and possibly downvote. Downvotes are for unhelpful posts, not the crap of the crap.

Braiam

7:21 PM

@FaheemMitha which actually accomplishes nothing

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles VLQ?

Very Low Quality?

Gilles

@FaheemMitha There is absolutely nothing to gain by downvoting spam, and it makes it stay longer because the post becomes less visible to users who might add their own flag. Don't downvote spam.

@FaheemMitha yes

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles I agree with tex.sx's take on it - where one of the top rep people wrote a post in meta saying they didn't believe in downvotes, and that seemed to be the prevailing opinion about the top rep users. Of course, the TeX world seems to be a very civilized place, for reasons that remain mysterious, so perhaps they can get away with such a policy.

Hmm, maybe they should teach TeX in schools. It might be good for the little ruffians.

Braiam

@FaheemMitha downvotes is the least rude you can do to a post...

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam It is?

Gilles

7:25 PM

@FaheemMitha I disagree. If something is wrong, it's wrong. You don't get a star for participating. If you don't downvote wrong answers, this tricks readers into believing that it's a good answer.

Max Vernon

I wonder if the downvote/upvote ratio rises over time as a site gets more and more like SO. I'm thinking so.

Gilles

tex.se is justified in having few downvotes because it has few wrong answers, but refusing to downvote is anti-social.

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Well, you could just not upvote them. Or explain to them that they are wrong, and give them a chance to fix it. When wrong posts get upvoted, then that is a problem, I agree.

Max Vernon

@Gilles I wish Facebook had downvotes.

Gilles

@MaxVernon make a data explorer query to find out how they've evolved over time

given your home site you should be a lot better at this than me

Max Vernon

7:27 PM

@Gilles LOL. I'm not certain there are historical records in data explorer.

I'll look

Braiam

@MaxVernon before going too deep, check this out meta.stackexchange.com/a/2678/213575

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles I don't say never. I just try to avoid doing so. On occasion, when people have asked me to, I have downvoted. But such occasions are rare.

Gilles

@MaxVernon there's a table of vote with a date for each (rounded to the nearest day)

Faheem Mitha

Maybe if this site gets worse, everyone will start downvoting more in self-defense. I hope that doesn't happen.

Max Vernon

@FaheemMitha that's what we've been starting to do over at dba.se unfortunately. Trying to keep the question quality reasonably above moron.

Faheem Mitha

7:30 PM

@MaxVernon Discovering that you need to downvote in self-defense?

Max Vernon

Personally I like to upvote anything that is half reasonable. I VtC questions that are off-topic before downvoting them. I downvote the egregiously bad ones.

Faheem Mitha

The question quality here is not that far above moron right now.

Max Vernon

like this question:

0

Q: Update script using CASE WHEN Clause , non-complaint results

I'm tryin to update a column table* DMT_TEE_OTC_Sales.TEE_StandardCostAdj_GrpCur Intermediate calculation 'Rate Obsolete Depreciation' : If BWH_OTC_Sales.PlantMaterialStatusCode = '1' then 0,3 else 0 Intermediate calculation 'Rat...

sql-server sql

Faheem Mitha

@MaxVernon That sounds like a reasonable policy.

Gilles

@MaxVernon turns out there's one already: data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/201630/…

Max Vernon

7:32 PM

@FaheemMitha since I've been asking questions? lol

@Gilles sweet

Faheem Mitha

@MaxVernon :-)

Gilles

the data is very noisy, it would be nicer to have it grouped by week or by month

Faheem Mitha

I mean, in recent months. Things don't seem to be getting better, either.

Fortunately, we don't have the problems SO does.

No Time

Change SE format?

Faheem Mitha

@NoTime Hmm?

No Time

7:35 PM

@FaheemMitha Maybe process of working site needs to change as size becomes larger/has more users

Seems like similar complaints in other metas

Faheem Mitha

@NoTime Maybe. What seems to happen is that the regulars become much more agressive. Judging by SO at least, which is the biggest, of course.

No Time

either relating to things like review process, basically question quality seems to become lower

Max Vernon

@Gilles working on that

Gilles

here's my attempt: data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/215870/…

criticism welcome, all I know about SQL is what I learnt by fumbling in the dark on SEDE

No Time

it looks like it is plateauing but at a lower rate

from graph

Gilles

7:41 PM

the graph is not good because the long horizontal lines are because of my crappy date conversion

I convert the date yyyy-mm-… to the number yyyy*100+mm

which looks nice in the table, but horrible in the graph

@MaxVernon How do I properly convert back to a date?

Ramesh

@Gilles thanks for the info. Is there some field that you are unaware of? :)

No Time

isn't there a date format?

like one that goes seconds from 'X' year

I can't remember the small amount of SQL I learned 3 years ago

Gilles

@Ramesh bovine dentistry

(That's a quote, btw. There are actually a lot more fields that I know nothing about.)

oh, and technically “Is there some field that you are unaware of?” is unanswerable except by “yes” (or “know”). I am aware of bovine dentistry, but I know nothing about it.

No Time

does this help? w3schools.com/sql/sql_dates.asp or is it too low level

Ramesh

@Gilles no worries. If bovine dentistry is the next big thing, there would come a meta.bovinedentistry.stackexchange.com

Gilles

7:45 PM

is anyone here geeky enough to know where the quote is from?

Max Vernon

data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/215871/…

No Time

no
:)

Max Vernon

@Gilles you can CAST(xxx AS DATETIME) assuming the xxx is a valid date-formatted string or number

Gilles

@MaxVernon thank you. Man, any kind of datum manipulation in SQL is verbose.

Max Vernon

its actually pretty tricky. dba.se has reams of questions on how to convert from a VARCHAR field to a DATETIME field

@Gilles yup, and you're welcome

No Time

7:47 PM

isn't it like you would do in access?

Braiam

@Gilles @MaxVernon example query data.stackexchange.com/askubuntu/query/198615/…

No Time

I mean functionally?

Max Vernon

@NoTime not so much

No Time

Isn't date/time determined as a variable as seconds past 'X' years (I can't remember something like X=Jan1 1960)

Braiam

hello, hello hot question list unix.stackexchange.com/q/148956/41104

Gilles

7:50 PM

@Braiam hmm, that counts a week/month/year from now, which isn't so nice

@NoTime in unix, yes. The epoch (origin date) is 1970-00-00 00:00 UTC

Max Vernon

@NoTime actually a DATETIME column in SQL Server has 3-millisecond precision, and can represent dates in the range of January 1, 1753, through December 31, 9999

Gilles

You can see it with date -d @0 on Linux

No Time

@MaxVernon yeah I couldn't remember the exact date if it was like Unix inception or some 18th/19th century time

I thought 1893 and 1960 I am bad with dates

Max Vernon

@NoTime who knows why they chose 1753 - I mean 1753???

No Time

is it end of a war?

Ramesh

7:53 PM

177

Q: What is the significance of 1/1/1753 in SQL Server?

Why 1753? What do they have against 1752? My great great great great great great great grandfather would be very offended.

sql-server datetime localization internationalization

No Time

@Ramesh ohh julian dates

Max Vernon

StackOverflow has a somewhat interesting graph for the ratio: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/215871/…

Ramesh

stack exchange has an answer for everything. Wow, this is amazing.

@NoTime may be. I am yet to read that answer. I am not sure.

Max Vernon

ahhh Kalen Delaney. She is a goddess in the SQL Server world. And by goddess I mean she knows a lot!

Ramesh

Ha ha.

Your great great great great great great great grandfather should upgrade to SQL Server 2008 and use the [DateTime2][1] data type, which supports dates in the range: 0001-01-01 through 9999-12-31.

No Time

7:57 PM

Yeah they are saying to make a national calendar the date started was 1750 when finished with Parliment the British calendar was off so the date became 1753

So really everything prior to that date is really subject to scrutiny honestly...

I say to my history teacher, who flunks me anyway

Gilles

@NoTime and of course all the other countries in the world who didn't give a fig about the British date change didn't notice the three missing years

No Time

Must have been hard for people born in 1752

Max Vernon

lol, my brothers at dba.se just scolded me for doing such poor datetime conversion.

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/edit/215871#graph has a much better way of doing the conversion now

Gilles

that is simpler

can you make the column show yyyy-mm without disabling the graph?

Max Vernon

no doubt!

Gilles

8:02 PM

data.stackexchange.com/help#graphing

Max Vernon

unfortunately no. Data Explorer only accepts numbers or dates as the first column

Gilles

apparently not

Max Vernon

@Gilles precisely

No Time

what is the rise rate?

or the function?

Max Vernon

hmmm, I prefer this way of looking at it. The graph now shows a rise in the ratio of downvoted questions. data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/215871/…

No Time

8:06 PM

thats 18% of all questions being down voted (at maximum)

is that good or bad?

Max Vernon

@NoTime depends on your definition of bad I suppose.

Ramesh

Better than stack overflow I would say.

No Time

What is it in relation to the amount of users?

Max Vernon

you can run it for SO as well. Its seen a pretty sharp rise in the rate of downvotes recently

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles What, bovine dentistry?

Gilles

8:10 PM

@FaheemMitha answering “is there anything you don't know” with “bovine dentistry”

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles right

@Gilles MASH?

Gilles

@FaheemMitha No. A lot less well-known.

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles ok

Gilles

and only on page 2 of Google for me

Faheem Mitha

I'm getting a hit on something called "When Worlds Collide"

Gilles

8:16 PM

@FaheemMitha wow, it got fanfic

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles So, some marvel thing, then?

Gilles

no

read the footnote

Faheem Mitha

Casey and Andy? Never heard of it.

Gilles

@FaheemMitha Then go read it

galactanet.com/comic/view.php?strip=1

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Yessir.

I hope this doesn't sound retarded, but amd64 is the same as x86_64, right?

@FaheemMitha x86_64. — kyr 56 mins ago

Gilles

8:19 PM

@FaheemMitha yes

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Ok, then I don't understand what is going on here.

Gilles

11

A: Why are 64-bit distros often called 'amd64'?

AMD intially implemented x86-64, before Intel. For this reason, most distros (and other OSs such as OpenBSD) did a first release when it was still AMD only, or renaming to x86-64 wasn't considered worth the effort. I think one of the another contributing factors to this naming confusion was a co...

it could be worse, at some point intel had the working name IA-32e for their 64-bit support

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Yikes.

@MaxVernon at any rate, i have visited dba.sx occasionally, and I am happy to say that it is a friendly site.

Braiam

> This account is temporarily suspended because of low-quality contributions. The suspension period ends on Aug 7 '15 at 19:47.

user have +200 answers

No Time

How do I improve this ?

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/215893/…

Probably wrong chat

Max Vernon

8:38 PM

@FaheemMitha thanks!

@NoTime looking now

No Time

I don't know SQL so that was cutting from the post before and trying to figure it out

Max Vernon

perhaps this makes more sense? data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/215895/…

No Time

yes my graph was sideways but I didn't know how to move things

the Max(Id) couldn't switch

data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/215895/… better for me too

on unix /linuxsite

Max Vernon

data.stackexchange.com/unix/query/215895/… now shows change from month-to-month as well as the total number of users.

No Time

@MaxVernon yeah was just trying to ask how you do 2 separate things :)

Max Vernon

8:46 PM

@NoTime glad to help

No Time

no thanks really. I wanted to combine that graph from before (with the downvotes) to see difference between total users and % of downvotes

I really need to learn SQL or some other query languages.

Max Vernon

@NoTime You'd need to download the csv of both queries, and combine them in Excel probably

No Time

I don't have windows

I use LibreCalc though

Can you exportt csv to MySQL?

or i could just do data to calc

Max Vernon

@NoTime I'm working on a potential solution in the data explorer

@NoTime This query data.stackexchange.com/dba/query/215895/… has the data, the graph on the other hand is useless since it needs two separate X scales. Pretty much any charting package should accept the .csv from that query

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles This reminded me of:

Willow: Is there anything you don't know everything about?
Giles: Synchronized swimming. Complete mystery to me.

No Time

8:57 PM

@MaxVernon that looks pretty nice. If you don't work with databases often it seems you forget a lot.

Max Vernon

@NoTime I think I've forgotten more than I know.

No Time

I am noticing that I can remember some of the things in your production of script that I forgot, but knew at one time

Max Vernon

yup - I know how you feel!

No Time

@MaxVernon same here. I used to know a lot more about stuff you had to know in mid 90's for computers, that would be helpful now..

I have to make dinner though I'll be on and off

Faheem Mitha

does anyone know of a command line tool that can enter stuff into a web form? can curl handle that?

Gilles

9:04 PM

@FaheemMitha curl can do it if it's simple

for more complex stuff, there's perl with WWW:Mechanize

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Ok. How about indiapost.gov.in/Tracking.aspx for example?

Gilles

@FaheemMitha write the code and see

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles ok

Braiam

9:17 PM

pays 5 bucks to @FaheemMitha

Faheem Mitha

9:42 PM

@Braiam Huh?

We now apparently have imaginary money, in addition to Imaginary Internet Points...

Braiam

5 hours ago, by Braiam

50 bucks this ends in the hot list

Faheem Mitha

Gentlefolk, is LC_PAPER customarily set or unset?

Braiam

5 hours ago, by Faheem Mitha

@Braiam I'm not betting against that.

@FaheemMitha set

Faheem Mitha

On my system (Archlinux): LC_PAPER="en_US.utf8" so it defaults to US Letter. But if I start from terminal with some euro locale (as I said above) it defaults to A4. — don_crissti 35 mins ago

@Braiam Not here, it isn't.

echo $LC_PAPER gives bugger all.

Does anyone know what the 411 on this is?

/me tries to go with the hip American slang.

Braiam

@FaheemMitha mm... is a gnu extension

Faheem Mitha

9:50 PM

@Braiam What is?

Braiam

@FaheemMitha man 7 locale says that LC_PAPER is only defined after glibc 2.2 and it's a gnu extension

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Ok, but it's standard on recent linux distributions though, right? Why is it unset here? Or should that be another question?

glibc 2.2 was ages ago, wasn't it?

Gilles

@FaheemMitha isn't libpaper a debian thing?

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Dunno. Is it?

Gilles

I don't know

on debian, it's a native package, and the copyright file doesn't mention any upstream

but I see that it also exists on other distros

Faheem Mitha

9:56 PM

@Gilles huh. so, is LC_PAPER normally set or unset? That seems like something you would know.

Gilles

@FaheemMitha I don't think there's a “normally” about this

it's set if the admin or the user configured it

Faheem Mitha

libpaper (1.0.4) unstable; urgency=low

* New maintainer.
* libpaper is now a native Debian package.

Gilles

on Ubuntu it seems to be set by the installer

Faheem Mitha

Looks like upstream died. Maybe Debian is the new upstream. This would explain why (a) it is a Debian native package and (b) why other distributions have it. They use the Debian one.

@Gilles Oh, ok. I wonder how would would set it in Debian. You saw the question I asked about Chromium?

libpaper (1.0.3-14) unstable; urgency=low

* Added debconf support, thaks to the patch by
John Goerzen <jgoerzen@progenylinux.com> (Closes: Bug#70959).

This was the previous version. -14 indicates it was not a native Debian package then.

Gilles

My minimally-configured Ubuntu 14.04 VM has it set in /etc/default/locale

Faheem Mitha

10:00 PM

@Gilles Interesting. I thought you were a Debian user, though.

@Gilles Yes, that seems like a good place to add it. Thanks.

Gilles

@FaheemMitha my home Debian machine only has LC_CTYPE there, but that's a heavily customized setup

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles The home machine is customized?

Let me check and see if Debian has anything to say about it.

Gilles

My Ubuntu VM has weird mix of fr_FR.UTF-8 and en_US.UTF-8. Strange, I don't think I ever told it anything about French. Except the France timezone.

Faheem Mitha

root@orwell:/home/faheem# locale | grep PAPER
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"

Huh, I guess I do use the US locale, usually because I can't think of anything better.

dumb question, but does this mean it is set or unset? I thought it was an env variable, but $LC_PAPER doesn't give anything.

Gilles

@FaheemMitha LC_PAPER defaults to $LANG

Faheem Mitha

10:04 PM

@Gilles Ok, I guess I could override it then.

Gilles

You must have LANG=en_US.UTF-8. That's a bad idea: it sets LC_COLLATE and that's almost always a bad thing

Faheem Mitha

root@orwell:/home/faheem# echo $LANG
en_US.UTF-8

@Gilles What's the alternative? I don't know what LC_COLLATE is.

Gilles

LC_COLLATE doesn't describe correct collation, it's too restrictive (it goes character by character)

remove LANG and instead set LC_CTYPE and LC_PAPER

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Ok, what is your recommendation?

Gilles

plus LC_MESSAGES if you want messages in a language other than English

Faheem Mitha

10:05 PM

@Gilles where do I do that?

in locale?

Gilles

@FaheemMitha wherever you're setting LANG, which could be many places

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Ok.

I think I am probably setting it in locales. dpkg-reconfigure locales gives a possible list of locales to generate. What do you recommend here, if anything?

Actually, this might make a reasonable question. I was completely unaware of these issues.

faheem@orwell:~/personal/business/smyt/download$ LC_PAPER="fr_FR.UTF-8" chromium
[30863:30863:0808/034123:ERROR:browser_main_loop.cc(240)] Gtk: Locale not supported by C library.
Using the fallback 'C' locale.
Created new window in existing browser session.

Locale not supported by C library.?

Do I need to generate it first?

Gilles

yes

dpkg-reconfigure locales

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Right. Got it. Doesn't seem to be working. I guess I'll close all chromium windows to make sure.

Gilles

@FaheemMitha debian or ubuntu?

on ubuntu, I think it's sudo locale-gen fr_FR.UTF-8

Faheem Mitha

10:17 PM

Huh, to my surprise, that actually does seem to work. I closed everything and run chromium from a shell with the french locale set.

@Gilles I meant the chromium printer dialog thing, not the dpkg-reconfigure locales thing.

The dpkg-reconfigure locales isn't a problem.

@Gilles you should write a post about locales. should I ask a question?

Gilles

@FaheemMitha yes

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles ok

If I use fr_FR.utf8 for example, would it know what I meant?

Gilles

yes

I think the encoding (the part after the .) is case-insensitive and ignores non-alphanumeric characters

Faheem Mitha

@Gilles Great

@Gilles Done.

@Gilles I use Debian. Is Ubuntu different?

@Gilles Having read your earlier post,

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