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Faheem Mitha

3:00 PM

@Patrick 10k questions? You mean views?

terdon

@FaheemMitha Trying to get the hang of it.

You guys have no idea how much work Michael's been doing all this time.

Patrick

@FaheemMitha A ton of 10k questions. A "10k question" being a question with 10k views

terdon

And thanks for the upvote Patrick (I guess).

Faheem Mitha

@Patrick That's what I meant.

derobert

@terdon How much has he been doing?

Patrick

3:01 PM

@terdon aye

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Like what?

terdon

All sorts of stuff. Flag handling, user warning, spam deletion etc. He's been a busy little beaver behind the scenes.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ah, just the man. Any suggesions for good pork dishes? Our cook bought some pork, but he smothered everything in spices, so one could not taste the pork. I think pork is a delicate flavor, am I right?

Patrick

I thought U&L was one of the more calmer sites, and thats why we didn't need many mods

Faheem Mitha

@terdon This must be one thankless job.

terdon

3:03 PM

It is. Just a little less so than I thought, precisely because Michael has been doing a great job.

@FaheemMitha Yes, I believe it is.

Patrick

@MichaelMrozek Cheers! :-)

Faheem Mitha

Maybe user "user" just likes clicking a lot.

terdon

Now, I'm just waiting for one of you to slip up, disrespect me or something, so I can flex my mod muscles.

C'mon, make my day.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon I figured as much earlier. I was a little surprised there was competition for it. Nice to know there are some nice altrustic people out there. Why can't I mean any in real life?

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yeah. A lot of pork dishes though are fairly strongly seasoned...

Faheem Mitha

3:05 PM

@terdon You talkin' to me? There's no one else here? So, you must be talkin' to me? Huh?

@terdon how about that?

terdon

@FaheemMitha Getting there... :P

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Any good links?

derobert

@terdon I could go post an add for Windows 95. Would that help?

Faheem Mitha

That's loosely based on that Taxi Driver scene...

terdon

@derobert Ah, yes. That it would.

Faheem Mitha

3:06 PM

@derobert I think that is a little out of date.

terdon

@FaheemMitha We know! Just how ignorant do you think we are?

derobert

@FaheemMitha Hmmm... Oh! There is actually a neat one on the cooking.SE blog

Let me grab the link

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ok, point the way. Any exotic ingredients?

Anyone here frequents the C++ lounge on SO? They're not very friendly.

derobert

Seasoned Advice Blog: No smoker? A $80 grill is enough for tasty pulled pork.

waxeagle on September 19, 2012

Hello! I’m wax, and today I’ll be talking to you about how to make pulled pork using nothing more than a Weber grill and a lot of patience (ok, maybe a few more things, but we’ll get to that). Usually you have a big honking smoker, or at least something more akin to a drum than a grill.

When a smoker is loaded with a heap of coal, it can be left to smolder for hours and will keep a consistent low temperature, while the coals in a grill will instead burn hot and quickly. However, through a bit of research, and some practice, I’ve found that there is a good way to heat my grill to 250°F and …

...nope, nothing exotic.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Not sure my cook can handle this; probably a bit outside his comfort range. Any rice dishes?

The current version of Windows is 8 or 9 or something.

derobert

3:09 PM

Pork and rice... hmmm... there are plenty of Chinese ones. Though that's well outside of what I normally cook.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ah. What do you normally do with pork?

I'm thinking more Indiany type stuff.

Maybe Thai.

Though an Italian version would also work. Though I don't think Italians are big on port. Or even French. Does not need to have strong seasoning, in fact it is better if it doesn't.

derobert

Hmmm. I've done pulled pork (several ways). If you have pork loin, you can do a simple roast...

Faheem Mitha

I guess some of you use Windows. How is it these days? Gotten any better? Have they discovered the command line yet?

@derobert Dunno what is available. I was thinking pork pieces in rice, with some kind of sauce.

@derobert If i go and ask in the chat room, will they bite my head off?

terdon

Actually, the Windows powershell sounds like a serious improvement. Haven't used it much (at all) and the syntax is even worse than bash's, but some of the answers I've seen on SU show it's strengths.

Faheem Mitha

I got some not very nice treatment in the C++ earlier today for no reason, so I'm feeling a little sensitive.

derobert

3:12 PM

@FaheemMitha Nah, they'll be happy to have a newcomer.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Interesting. Do you use it?

terdon

No

I don't use Windows. I've just seen some examples on SU and it looks powerful.

Faheem Mitha

Well, at least this room is friendly. Let's hope it stays this way.

@terdon Ok. Was this in XP?

terdon

Umm... I don't think so. I really don't know, I haven't used Windows for anything other than games for the last 15 years or so.

derobert

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16/the-frying-pan is pretty friendly. Also, hardly ever on topic.

Faheem Mitha

3:14 PM

@derobert I finally did that gcc 4.9 installation. Again, does anyone have any opinions on clang 3.4 vs 3.5 for wheezy?

@terdon Me neither.

The last time was Windows 95 back around 1998.

derobert

http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16/the-frying-pan is pretty friendly. Also, hardly ever on topic. ... odd, it oneboxed the room name and ate the rest of the message.

Faheem Mitha

Which fell over and died for no reason. One day it just wouldn't boot.

badp

@terdon It's basically a C# interpreter with slightly nicer syntax

derobert

@terdon What about random firmware flashing? That's all I've used Windows for recently.

Faheem Mitha

@badp Are you a windows user?

badp

3:15 PM

Nothing like the GNU tools + fish

@FaheemMitha Half-half.

Faheem Mitha

@badp ok. half linux, half windows?

badp

Yes.

terdon

@derobert I think last time I did that I booted off of a flash drive for it.

Ramesh

@derobert, do you know innodb concepts?

derobert

@terdon But what about when your GPS or similar needs flashing? Thankfully all my BIOSes can be flashed from any random FAT32 device.

@Ramesh somewhat

Ramesh

3:18 PM

Is it advisable to use for the database restore?

I am working on restoring database and it painfully takes a looot of time.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert asking for pork rice recipes is OT on the main site, right?

terdon

@derobert Ain't got one. I have a couple of iSwag that I usually use a VM for. Sometimes, I have to boot into Windows for them though.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yeah, recipe requests are OT.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert ok

derobert

But they're fine on the chat.

Faheem Mitha

3:19 PM

@derobert I'll try asking there, thanks.

Ramesh

I think derobert's most voted question on that site is cooking pork if am not wrong.

derobert

@Ramesh I thought it was beef...

Actually, my most voted question there is the 'how long can I keep it?' one

Ramesh

I always get confused. steak is not pork?

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I see you are on there too. Are you active?

@Ramesh Not normally, no. Usually beef.

At least, not in the US, afaik.

Ramesh

@FaheemMitha, ok. I have not tried pork that much. so am not aware of that.

terdon

3:22 PM

@Ramesh It can be. Steak is a type of cut, not an animal.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Used to be. Haven't been recently, as I've been spending chat time over here...

Faheem Mitha

@Ramesh Steak I think just means certain portions of the cow, but one should ask WP.

@terdon Oh?

terdon

"A steak (from Old Norse steik, \"roast\") is generally a cut of meat or fish cut perpendicular to the muscle fibers, or of fish cut perpendicular to the spine. Meat steaks are usually grilled, pan-fried, or broiled, while fish steaks may also be baked. http" "://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak"

Ramesh

@terdon, thanks. @FaheemMitha, what is WP?

derobert

Yeah. At least in the US, an unqualified 'steak' means beef. There are a couple of cuts used.

Faheem Mitha

3:24 PM

@Ramesh Wikipedia

Ramesh

@derobert, I am planning to make changes in the my.cnf file as suggested here. dba.stackexchange.com/a/68970/41588

Can you advise if that is ok in restoring db?

Faheem Mitha

@terdon according to WP, one can say pork steak (if I undestand correctly). Just "steak" usually means beef. Though I've never heard anyone say pork steak, or preface steak with anything else, for that matter.

terdon

Damn, that wiki() function that polym pasted is really kind of cool.

Faheem Mitha

@Ramesh steak terminology is not terribly common in India.

terdon

@FaheemMitha Yes, as derobert said unqualified, it would be beef. Pork steaks are very common in Greece though.

Faheem Mitha

3:26 PM

@Ramesh You could ask in dba chat. They're reasonably civil over there.

@terdon I see. Any suggestions for pork rice dishes? Greek cuisine includes rice, right?

Ramesh

@FaheemMitha, thanks. But sometimes people will just bully a new face. I want to avoid that. :)

derobert

@Ramesh That looks sane. I think I also have some more data-unintegrity settings on my test DB that gets restored from backup all the time.

Faheem Mitha

@Ramesh Not there, as far as I can see.

terdon

@FaheemMitha Not much. There'll just be boiled rice served with a dish. Nothing special done to it.

Faheem Mitha

Just give it a try.

@terdon ok

Ramesh

3:27 PM

@derobert, thanks. I will do the changes. The problem is the db is almost 1 TB and restoring using mysql command probably might take ages at the current speed.

@FaheemMitha, sure.

Faheem Mitha

@Ramesh The DBA people are actually reasonably helpful and reasonably tolerant of beginners.

Normal rules of courtesy apply, of course.

@Ramesh PG is generally considered better.

An opinion I concur with, fwiw.

Patrick

however PGs replication & scaling capabilities suck pretty hard :-/

Faheem Mitha

@Patrick They do?

I thought their query optimizer was pretty crap, otherwise I was generally impressed.

I tried telling them about the optimizer, they weren't interested. Perhaps because they already knew.

Patrick

@FaheemMitha Many people don't even use PG's native replication because it's so terrible. They use block level replication instead

Faheem Mitha

@Patrick I don't know what that is.

Ramesh

3:32 PM

sorry but what is PG?

Faheem Mitha

@badp I see you live in Milan. How is it?

Patrick

PG=postgresql

badp

I don't live in Milan.

Faheem Mitha

@badp Oh, sorry.

Patrick

@FaheemMitha You replicate the drives that PG uses instead of having postgres replicate the data

Faheem Mitha

3:33 PM

Looks like I frightened all the SA people away.

@Ramesh sorry, some days I'm a lazy typist

@Patrick Wow, that sounds like a business.

derobert

@Ramesh Here are my settings on a "load fast, if it breaks I don't care" database:

innodb_doublewrite = 0
innodb_flush_log_at_trx_commit = 0
innodb_support_xa = 0
innodb_locks_unsafe_for_binlog = 1

Faheem Mitha

Actually, I have heard the term fish steak.

derobert

@Ramesh I'd have to check the docs to see why I have 0 there and they suggest 2. My config did come from an older MySQL version.

Ramesh

@derobert, thanks. I will try this one out.

derobert

Please keep in mind the settings I gave are for speed at all costs. In particular, if the system crashes, you may have to re-init InnoDB with a empty database.

Ramesh

3:38 PM

@derobert, actually if I have the entire datadirectory backed up is it a good idea to just dump the data directory back in the new machine?

derobert

@Ramesh You should be able to move the data files, provided its all configured the same, and provided the backup you took was clean (e.g., MySQL shut down, or done with one of the hot backup tools)

Ramesh

@derobert, thanks. I will check it out.

terdon

Yay! I have now handled more flags than @slm. I think that's the first time I've beat him at just about anything :)

derobert

@terdon LOL

slm

@terdon Yes got the ping, was out of the house this morning.

terdon

3:50 PM

Cool.

slm

@terdon Sorry this is my vacation week so I'm in and out of the house a lot.

terdon

@slm Sorry? Why sorry? Go for it! I'll be here getting a lead on you on flag handling :P

Faheem Mitha

@Patrick PG just strikes me as higher quality in general. Maybe it is not good at some things.

Ramesh

How come the mysqldump process fails due to lost connection when am running the query in the local machine itself? What it has to do with network?

Braiam

@terdon you must recognize your strengths and put that in your favor, beat @slm in a guitar contest ;)

Ramesh

4:04 PM

Is this analogy correct?

0

A: Filesystems and Partitions

Assume partition as just the rooms in the newly constructed house. It just doesn't have any layout or anything till now. All you have done is constructed new rooms in the house. Now, you need to have the rooms designed for specific purposes (for example, the kitchen has to have more storage she...

terdon

4:17 PM

@Braiam Ah! Good idea, I might just do that :)

slm

@Braiam I can play the guitar too .... just kidding...

polym

@Ramesh nice analogy :)

Ramesh

@polym, thank you :)

Please vtc this one so that it gets transferred to tex SE.

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Q: Align multiple image in latex with differernt figure name

i have 8 figure which need to included in the two column style paper. The figure should be added in the top of the corresponding page and 3 image in each row ( the figure alignment is not as the two column style) i.e., fig1: fig2: fig3: fig4: fig5: fig6: each figure should not start ...

latex

slm

4:33 PM

I'm looking into migrating it now

did anyone ask tex if they wanted it?

polym

@slm in the sense that if we force transfer the question to tex SE, they'll scream in agony?

slm

They're taking it now, I'm in their chat room.

They thought it would get closed as dup though

Ramesh

@slm wow you edited the question for them. :) That's a nice gesture.

slm

I always like to clean up content 8-). Pays it forward when we get stuff from others

Ramesh

Probably gesture is not the word I look for. @terdon will be able to help me use the correct word in this context :)

terdon

4:44 PM

Gesture is fine.

slm

Q's been migrated guys

took 2 tries

terdon

:)

Anthon

@slm @terdon congrats to moderator elections.

terdon

Thanks @Anthon!

slm

Thanks Anthon

Anthon

4:53 PM

@slm and another potential gold badge, "just" by waiting a year ;-)

slm

@Anthon - ha you and I think alike 8-)

though I'll be doing this for the foreseeable future

Helps keep the interest level high

Ramesh

5:06 PM

Is this one unix.stackexchange.com/questions/139185/…

a dup of this one? unix.stackexchange.com/questions/45771/…

mikeserv

@Ramesh - I think you're right on the money there.

make the vote - I'll second.

Ramesh

@mikeserv, when I see this question, somehow I drift to another tab.

0

Q: Linux user trying to make Mac work

First of all, my apologies if this is not the right place to ask for help about the issues I am facing (newbie here). I am a Linux user who has been given a Mac Book Pro from work. I am struggling with a few things right now. I tried to find answers using google search, but seems like my requirem...

linux partition osx virtualbox keyboard-shortcuts

mikeserv

I commented fubar is right because anyone trying to make mac work is basically that...

Ramesh

@mikeserv, voted to close.

Braiam

anyone willing to play with some user LVM?

polym

5:26 PM

Make tmux become insane: echo -e '\xe'

▒⎼c▒☃┴e↓├▒⎼↓b≥2 !

▒e┌┌⎺← └≤ °e┌┌⎺┬ ⎻e⎺⎻┌e

:D

terdon

I closed it. That was really way too broad.

polym

exorcise your tmux with reset

or, in demonic tmux language: ⎼e⎽e├

mikeserv

where do you come up with this stuff?

polym is a very likable fellow.

polym

1

Q: tmux shows weirdly encoded history on OSX

If I do the "history" command in tmux, I get a really weird result. Anyone got a hint on what to do to get normal output? The output looks like this: 477 ◆┬▒⎺▒└☃◆ 478 c▒├ ◆┬▒⎺▒└☃◆ 479 ec▒⎺ ◆┬▒⎺▒└☃◆ 48▮ ┴☃└ ·/↓├└┤│↓c⎺┼° 481 ├└┤│ 482 ┌⎽ 483 cd ┐⎺▒┼⎽/ 484 ┌e☃┼ ┐⎺▒┼⎽ ⎼┤┼ ...

terminal osx-lion tmux encoding history

:D

mikeserv

damn. i should have bought a gatorade.

polym

5:33 PM

@mikeserv thanks, you are very likeable yourself :))

mikeserv

yeah, you're likely to have several disagree with you there, but I don't think I am likely to have as many argue against my point.

Anyway, if you haven't yet discovered it, @polym I suspect commandlinefu.com/commands/browse is right up your alley.

THESE PRETZELS ARE MAKING ME THIRSTY.

polym

@mikeserv thanks :). And I don't think that many will disagree here with my point ;D.

mikeserv

let me know if you post any awesome wiki search functions or whatever over there so I can vote for it.

polym

haha :D

well i got some self made scripts

a any language - any language dictionary

mikeserv

like what?

polym

5:41 PM

and a bookmark saver

that saves specific sites under categories

such as bash, tmux etc

Ramesh

@polym, you should be the oldest SE user I guess. :D

mikeserv

ok. seriously thirsty. I'm going to get a gatorade. back in a few.

Ramesh

polym, Germany

111 3

virtual-machine web-development

mikeserv

Yeah. he's up there.

polym

haha :D

don't come on my property, boy! I hit you with my walking stick!

darn youngsters!

Ramesh

5:43 PM

ha ha. :D

terdon

Hmmm, somehow I'm guessing your actual age is closer to that divided by ooh, I dunno, 6?

4?

polym

hehe last one is a good guess

@terdon

terdon

:)

polym

I wondered myself why I had 3 tabs about exorzism open.. then i remembered again haha

mikeserv

GET OFF MY GRASS!

polym

5:49 PM

also i still have unix.stackexchange.com/q/128985/72471 open, it's staring at me, shaming my sorry adhd brain for not reading it completely

@mikeserv haha :)

Anthon

@slm just answered questions on the Ebook site-self-evaluation queue. It has Custodian, Reviewer and Steward badges associated with it, but it is going to take forever: 10 questions at a time per (periodic) review.

mikeserv

That's what Sergeant Major Mitchell used to say. And, in garrison, all of the grass was his.

Ramesh

@mikeserv, do you always have to say "sir, yes sir?"

mikeserv

Not to a sergeant major - not if you value your life.

But to officers, yeah.

Not exactly like that. understood, sir - hooah, sir - though the latter was more often said by some of the other soldiers. I preferred to use words.

@polym - if you read any of it - read this:

find ././ -exec ls -1ldin {} + |
sed -e '\| *\./\./|{s||\n.///|;i///' -e \} |
sed 'N;s|$\n$///|///\1|;$s|$|///|;P;D'

polym

oh god i rather not to

:D

it looks like something horrible straight out of a nightmare

so many slashes!

and why are there smileys at the end?

mikeserv

5:55 PM

Well, it's your whole disk - all dentries recursively.

polym

:D

mikeserv

You caught that, huh?

polym

totally

^^

also why find ././ ?

and not find ./

mikeserv

I use multiple slashes because it's the only way to reliably delimit a filelist in a stream.

At least, portably.

././ can only occur at the beginning of a filename in find's output.

polym

ah ok

mikeserv

5:58 PM

otherwise you could encounter directoryname./

But also .// or whatever.

Anything like that can be used to delimit a filelist without \0nulls.

polym

sounds plausible :)

mikeserv

If you took the output of that find ... | sed ... | sed ... and ran it through this:

sed "s|'"'|&"&"&|g;s|///|'|g' all of the filenames would be shell-quoted completely reliably.

Oh wait. dang. only if you replaced the first ./// with .////

But, you get the gist.

Anyway, in sed P and D work only up to the first newline without deleting the whole pattern space - and that's why they're so smiley.

polym

it just looks like a bunch of literals to me, I think I got to learn more about sed :), my basic knowledge isn't sufficient enough it seems :)

mikeserv

I like sed. I've become really good with it too, and mostly as a result of all of the interesting test problems people are kind enough to offer me here.

slm

@Anthon What's the URL?

polym

6:10 PM

can you or anybody else provide me again with the URL of what directories to exclude from a backup?

can't find it somehow

I got /dev/*,/proc/*,/sys/*,/tmp/*,/run/*,/mnt/*,/media/*,/lost+found but maybe there were mroe mentioned

e.g. i don't need lib i guess

slm

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Q: Entries I can safely exclude doing backups

I'm planning a backup strategy based on rsnapshot. I want to do a full system backup excluding files and directories that would be useless for the restore to have a working system again. I already excluded: # System: exclude /dev/* exclude /proc/* exclude /sys/* exclude /tmp/* exclude /run/* ex...

linux rsync backup restore rsnapshot

polym

@slm thx

slm

np

Patrick

@FaheemMitha Higher quality, I wouldn't say that. Different focus sure, but MySQL is perfectly stable and functional

Braiam

> After GRUB replaced my MultiBoot Menu and I couldn't change my Boot Device, I got sick of it and opened nautilus and deleted the /boot folder, and I thought doing that would make it go and let me open my BIOS.

nice plan...

mikeserv

6:17 PM

On an efi sysem it would probably work.

Except that there wouldn't be any bios on an efi system, I guess.

strugee

@slm @terdon congratulations on your win yesterday!!

(you should set a great example by writing a blog post!)

also: anyone else watching Google I/O live?

Patrick

@strugee lol. I admire your persistence :-)

strugee

@Patrick thanks

/me rolls eyes at the community

mikeserv

Hey - @slm - why do you figure sean perry seemingly agreed with you then didn't upvote you there? Anyway, your tactic of - as he puts it - recreation rather than restoration - is the way I usually go too.

Patrick

Did you know slm is on vacation? He should have lots of time to write a blog post! :-P

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mikeserv

6:30 PM

That's funny ^^.

strugee

@Patrick oh, really?

@slm goooo!

slm

@mikeserv Sorry which post is that referencing?

@Patrick That's suppose to be a secret 8-)

Patrick

@slm o'rly? :-)

Faheem Mitha

@Patrick My impressions of it in the past have not been good, but I haven't checked on it recently.

Patrick

@FaheemMitha Even in the past. I've never heard of stability issues with MySQL. I think a lot of people just assume it's not enterprise grade because it gets used for so much entry level stuff

Faheem Mitha

6:40 PM

@Patrick No, I think people just found it crap. I did so myself, but I admit I haven't really tried using it myself. But I have consistently heard bad things about it. I admit I can't back this up with any solid information without quite a bit of research, which I don't plan to do. :-)

slm

@Patrick I've always viewed them as equivalent. There are a couple of features that PSQL has that MySQL lacks but you'd know about these if that mattered to you.

mikeserv

@slm - i heard you're on vacation?

@slm and I was referencing this. my bad.

Faheem Mitha

@Patrick that should have read "haven't really tried using it seriously".

mikeserv

Probably sean just forgot anyway.

Patrick

I've used both MySQL and Postgresql in enterprise environments. Both work just fine

Faheem Mitha

6:43 PM

@slm You agree with patrick then about mysql vs PG?