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5:25 AM
@FaheemMitha And lots of good things happen in academia also, For one: people learn new skills.
 
6:13 AM
@Tim That was a long time ago. I don't remember. And the lecturer didn't really use one anyway. I don't think he was really interested in time series. He just taught the course for some reason.
@Isaac Which they can also do outside academia.
@Tim If that last sounded confusing, I think there was a text listed for the course, but I don't think the lecturer actually used it.
 
 
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11:44 AM
@FaheemMitha It is not uncommon to meet nasty teaching in academia
Yet still have to hold the highest respect for them
I am very disappointed by the incompetence, neglect, irresponsible misleading, discrimination and persecution that happen in teaching
Same things happen to me from some academics on internet forums
 
12:16 PM
Ggrrrhh, freaking ponies...
(O_PONIES, that is.)
(I saw this, which reminded me of something I was happier to have forgotten. Nice to see something from 10-11 years ago still brings back the feelings I got about it the first time. End of venting, please don't mind.)
 
11 years ago already...
 
@ilkkachu Are the ext4 issues fixed, then? And have you ever tried zfs?
It's got easier for Debian in recent years. In theory, anyway. Since Debian now supports building support for zfs as a module. I've never tried using it.
 
I think so - I haven't heard of problems with ext4 in ages. I haven't tried ZFS, no
It would have some very interesting features, no doubt about that.
 
Might be worth trying. It sounds pretty good. OTOH, btrfs is apparently still quite buggy.
Haven't tried that either.
 
12:37 PM
I meant to look into dm-integrity. Of course ZFS does the integrity stuff by itself, too.
 
1:03 PM
@terdon thanks for the detailed reply to my licensing-related flag, I understand your point that moderators can’t decide in such scenarios
see this and this for instances where another mod did delete a post, but I’ll refrain from flagging them in future
 
@StephenKitt It led to a long discussion in the TL yesterday about how to define fair use etc. No conclusion, none of us are lawyers. But yeah, while the fact that the entire answer consisted of nothing but a quote makes it a poor answer by SE standards, I really don't think that quoting a small part of a document, with attribution, really constitutes re-licensing. What it really comes down to is that mods aren't qualified to make this sort of judgement.
If you feel it's worth it, the suggested route is a DMCA take-down notice sent to SE
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Q: What should I do when I see copyright violations posted on Stack Overflow?

David HeffernanAs prompted by NullUserException อ_อ, I'd like to try get a definitive moderator view on what is the appropriate action when a user spots an obvious copyright violation on Stack Overflow. To be clear, I have a reasonable understanding of fair use and am myself not averse to posting small extract...

@StephenKitt Those are quite different. That answer is i) much, much longer and, most importantly ii) has no attribution.
 
@terdon yeah, I’d have to be a copyright-holder for that ;-)
@terdon yes, the lack of attribution is the significant part there
 
Do you really think it is a problem if you just quote a paragraph and cite it correctly?
 
I’m not allowed to make legal-sounding pronouncements in public
 
There must be loads of quotes from GNU man pages for example, all of which are presumably under some form of GNU license.
 
1:08 PM
but I do think there’s a difference between a post that’s only a quote (with attribution), and a post which quotes supporting material
 
@StephenKitt Is that a joke, or are you serious?
@StephenKitt There is, yes. I... don't know if there is a licensing issue though.
 
@terdon I’m serious, it’s the reason why I stopped participating on Open Source
 
Oh. Wow. Because you work for Red Hat?
 
@terdon yeah, fair use is a complicated matter, subject to interpretation
@terdon yes, and we have a legal department which takes care of such matters
 
To the point where some dev isn't allowed to offer an unqualified opinion? Damn!
 
1:10 PM
@ilkkachu I tried reading about the issue...I've finally found it, but not before I came across unix.stackexchange.com/questions/316771/… as one of the early duckduckgo hits :P
 
Or are you some bigwig?
 
@terdon I don’t think I’d risk much by doing so, but I’m not supposed to
@terdon no bigwig, no ;-)
 
OK. Just seems a bit paranoid at this level. Of the company, I mean, I'm sure you're right that you should avoid it.
 
perhaps adding an "opinions are my own" disclaimer would help with that...but IANAL either ;)
 
I'm sure none of us want to run even the smallest risk of getting involved with the legal department of an American company...
 
1:13 PM
drawback of using a real name online
 
Tim
I know very little about copy rights and licences. I was wondering if there is some nice readings about the complicated issues for software engineers
 
@terdon yeah, I suspect there were some complicates issues caused by people spouting legal-sounding advice, and others taking it seriously, with the added weight that it was said by a Red Hat employee (whether speaking for Red Hat or not — and that’s another kettle of fish)
 
So, Stephen, is murder illegal in France?
>:)
You can't answer that!
I'll see if I can find the time to post on MSE about this. Sounds like we could use some guidance.
 
@terdon I could just quote the relevant law, with proper attribution :-P
@terdon the actual rules are more subtle, I take a blanket approach to make things simpler for myself ;-)
 
1:30 PM
Sounds reasonable. Better safe than sorry.
 
 
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3:41 PM
@ilkkachu How is dm-integrity relevant?
@StephenKitt You can't use the standard disclaimer - this is my person view only and does not reflect my employer's opinion - or whatever it is?
Never mind, I see @AndrasDeak covered that already.
 
4:00 PM
@FaheemMitha not much, just came to mind from the ZFS/storage context. It does one of the things that the ext4+LVM+MD stack doesn't by itself.
 
4:11 PM
@StephenKitt This reminds of a comment in some other stack some days ago. An Intel employee wrote an answer quoting some Intel manuals, and really didn't like it when the answer got called 'misleading'. Not because of the insult to their answer-writing ability, but because of the potential for a legal snag for false advertising.
 
@ilkkachu because it might fit the SE definition of spam?
oh sorry that was another conversation
 
@StephenKitt No, I think they meant that if someone thought he wrote an answer that would falsely represent Intel products, the company could get in trouble.
 
@ilkkachu right, that’s what I understood on reading your comment a second time ;-)
 
ok, good, because I wasn't sure if it came out clearly
 
that’s something that ends up being weird at Red Hat sometimes, because we work on projects in public, but we still need to be careful not to announce product features ahead of time, or say things which might be construed as promises
but people working on FLOSS rarely want to promise things anyway ;-)
 
4:16 PM
yep
 
4:43 PM
this crowd might have good overlap with a book I just got -- how to, absurd scientific advice for common real-world problems, by Randall Munroe. Enjoyable science :)
 
@JeffSchaller hah I’m reading that just now, it’s excellent
 
arrived yesterday, and I stayed up way too late, getting 1/3 of the way through it
"Fossett and Enevoldson say they could have ridden the stratospheric waves even higher -- they only turned back because the low air pressure caused their pressure suits to inflate so much that they couldn't operate the controls"
next best was: "Next to the mount is an instructional plaque, which features the single best joke in the history of the aerospace industry: ATTACH ORBITER HERE // NOTE: BLACK SIDE DOWN"
 
"Lefty Loosy, Righty Tighty" :D
 
5:06 PM
I find that oddly amusing (never having heard it)
 
 
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Q: Is there a Bash to POSIX 1003.2(a) transpiler?

kristopolousI've got a program I've written in bash that uses a number of bashisms. I know there's checkbashism and shellcheck and bash's --posix which are great for manual review. But what I really want is something like python's 2to3 and I'm assuming this exists (if not I'll probably write it). Essentiall...

terdon and Kusalananda are forgetting their Turing machines ;)
 
 
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9:55 PM
@ilkkachu No we're not. We just know there's no such software written. And besides, if it existed, I wouldn't trust it to do the right thing. A shell script that must be portable must be portable in so many other ways than just syntax.
 

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