In case anyone is wondering what happened to Gmane, see lwn.net/Articles/808904

That's Lars' version of the story. According to his version, he's a moron.

Whether that's true or not, of course, it's not possible to say.

But I think at least one thing is clear from this story. Important net services shouldn't be run by individuals.

@FaheemMitha Gucci mane?

@FaheemMitha Unfortunately, it seems the current SE mess (and of course Facebook, and Google, and...) is telling us they shouldn't be run by corporations, and the PIR/.org mess is telling us they shouldn't be run by nonprofits either. Considering current leaders in both of our countries, I doubt they should be run by governments either. Conclusion, important net services shouldn't be run :-(

Distributed, I guess? :-/

@Jesse_b ???

@derobert They should be run by communities, I think. Like Debian.

Of course, Debian is ultimately piggy-backing off the backs of corporations, but it's not a perfect world.

It's a pity someone didn't figure out a way to get Debian to run Gmane. Though I doubt they would be interested - they have enough on their plate.

The "not a perfect world" bit is probably redundant, considering everything that is going on these days...

@derobert If you have time at some point, I'd appreciate assistance (assuming you are so inclined) with my CV. I'd offer to help you with yours, but I doubt you need it.

Not sure what the PIR/.org mess is, though.

GMane

@Jesse_b Still no idea what you are on about.

Probably for the best, he's not very good

Oh, Gucci Mane is a person?

Yeah rappers are people too

@FaheemMitha I can't say I'm particularly good at writing them up...

I love awk

| tr '[[:lower:]]' '[[:upper:]]'

I was seeing the conf files in qemu-arch-extra package (Ubuntu). For binfmt_misc entries, what structures are added in :magic field/section?

@Jesse_b Hmm... That ought to change I love awk into I upve apk, but it does not, it uppercases the string.

@Kusalananda come at me bro

=)

@Jesse_b tr takes stuff like A-Z and [:alnum:], but it seems it also recognises [[:alnum:]].

@Jesse_b I get even worse results...

:-P

I imagined an echo

And a backslash at the end of the first message.

awk 'BEGIN{printf "%s\n", toupper("I love awk")}'

Great that the first attempt was a syntax error :-) Though my first attempt at any Perl script always is too, so I don't think that means anything.

Ah, found it in the standard. tr '[[:lower:]]' '[[:upper:]]' translates to uppercase because the [ and ] are translated to themselves (uselessly) and what's left is the [:lower:] and [:upper:] translation.

When I use printf in awk I forget the comma probably 95% of the time

UUO[[]]

perl -E 'say "\UI love perl"'

awk '{ print toupper }' <<<"I love awk"

awk: cmd. line:1: { print toupper }
awk: cmd. line:1:                 ^ syntax error

Eh?

oo weird

Try nawk

it works with mawk but not gawk

Fails here too, with both mawk and gawk

Sadface

awk '{ print toupper($0) }' <<<"I love awk" # boooring

mawk 1.3.3-20 (Debian) here. Wonder why it works with some versions.

I may be wrong about my /usr/bin/awk

ah yeah it's nawk

What's nawk?

/usr/bin/awk?

my awk that I thought was mawk

Ah

I swear I have mawk installed somewhere...

Yeah, nawk's toupper takes $0 by default.

Debian has gawk installed as nawk... which of course also doesn't work.

@derobert That's just wrong.

yeah that seems awk(1)ward

No nawk is part of the alternatives system

It can point at any awk

Sure, but it's a little weird since that's not the generic name awk.

"New awk" may be newer than the original awk, but it's still a particular awk, not gawk.

The default is mawk as far as I know

Same applies though

Debian has an original-awk package, @Kusalananda that one works with your script

$ original-awk '{ print toupper }' <<<"I love awk"
I LOVE AWK

I wonder if it's truly the original, or if it's nawk (a.k.a. "BSD awk").

alias bawk=original-awk

sources.debian.org/src/original-awk/2012-12-20-6/FIXES

@derobert Yeah, that seems like the original.

It would probably be installed as oawk on systems that had another default awk, if the traditional naming scheme was in use.

@Kusalananda In debian, actually, nawk points to gawk.

@Isaac We've established that just moments ago.