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3:45 AM
@MichaelHomer I'm pretty sure that anything that user did when they're deleted is removed which has a ripple effect for the rest of us. That's why it's a serious offense as far as I'm concerned b/c it undermines a sites ability to function for those of us that are using it in a legitimate manner.
 
4:08 AM
There are definitely questions from deleted users that still have accepted answers (e.g. this one) so it doesn't seem like that's all it is.
In this case I think there's a "voting corrected" preceding "user was removed" which I suppose may be what did it.
 
 
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6:57 AM
Hello @RuiFRibeiro
 
 
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8:25 AM
@Kiwy salut
 
those Hello spaced by several hour are ridiculous :D
funny but ridiculous
 
@Kiwy :)
@Kiwy Well, was having breakfast and then tube...late arrival to work today.
@Kiwy So what's up?
Have you seen the new poco F1 xiaomi?
I personally think the xiaomi mi max 3 is gorgeous, the hw of the F1 is very interesting.
The prices are very interesting too.
 
@RuiFRibeiro any device that is more than 65mm wide is a too big device not worse my time.
I praise the three gods and sacrifices goat to the three devils everyday to get more small smartphones...
My praises are yet to be heared
 
@Kiwy My phone often doubles as stackoverflow/twitter/fb/netflix whatever....so...
 
I had a tablet some years ago that had a 7 inch screen. I wish those kind of product hadnt been replace by oversized "phones"... I have pretty small hands
 
8:34 AM
@Kiwy You know what they say of small hands ....hahaha
@Kiwy I also have Asian sized hands....
@Kiwy anyway, I enjoy a largish screen.
 
@RuiFRibeiro ... -.-'
:D
 
@Kiwy gave my ipad to a nephew
 
nice one though, you got me
 
@Kiwy and an Android tablet to my kid
@Kiwy My wife has a 5S iphone, and I gave her also a bigger Android. I cannot use the 5S anymore, too small.
 
@RuiFRibeiro well I don't know what your doing with such big device but as I mostly listen to podcast and read one or two newspaper I don't really care about having a TV in my pocket
 
8:38 AM
@Kiwy Often I get along using one instead of picking up the computer.
@Kiwy and once in a conference with a badly defined IPS killing all ssh connections
SSH in the phone saved me
lol
 
And small phone are so rare that it's start to be ridiculous...
 
I recently verify, there no smartphone on European market that is less than 66mm width since 2017...
@RuiFRibeiro that IPS was checkpoint almost sure
well How can you watch porn on a phone
 
@Kiwy lol
@Kiwy The IPS was tuned in some signature, changing the SSH default algo....
but by then I had taken care of the prob via 3G
 
Also you can use a VPN, VPN are nice
or you could use Tor
 
8:42 AM
@Kiwy they were blocking VPNs
 
or the blockchain seems like blockchain is the future for everything
 
I have a paid one and one at home....
blockchain is as much BS as cloud, agile and whatever in 99% of what you read out there.
@Kiwy it is the buzzword in vogue
 
@RuiFRibeiro I was joking, I agree blockchain / cloud / agile and all the bullshit are just huge jokes
 
@Kiwy My old team lead had a rib from an useful idiot and I used to jokingly tell him cloud was translated to our language to a common vulgar word... translated roughly as "hell" in a nasty English phrase. I am not so much fond of BS.
@Kiwy I was also in toastmasters due to that old team lead for a while...gave up on it, it seemed worse than the church and the fake patting in the back made me vomit.
lol
@Kiwy Bah, cutting it short, not much fond of BS.
@Kiwy they also encourage a lot of use of hands for talking. I am not an Italian and I hate it. It distracts me from the theme of the conversation.
 
it is the american way, smile be nice (you can think or know the guy's a bastard) but you have to be positive and nice, it's important to go forward, negative thoughts impact the all team badly. Always be dishonest to you and show your team that you're happy to work even if your grandfather died last week.
POSITIVY I SAY
I though that it was some kind of Mediterranean way of talking, using your hand
 
8:52 AM
@Kiwy There are limits to that BS, especially to my generation....nevertheless...my best boss ever just said shit, and after two hours everything was ok. lol.-....best boss ever. I prefered it to a SOB that smiled to me, and then just stabbed me in my back (also had those)
@Kiwy Know, it is mainly an Italian thing, and it drives me nuts.
@Kiwy My mother used to touch me in the arm to call for my attention when talking, and I told her to cut it off.
@Kiwy When I see a public speaker using too much the hands, in the back of my mind I just think he wants to distracts us from the nonsense he is saying.
 
@RuiFRibeiro your linkedin picture made think you were much more friendly :D Anyway I don't know how my generation think about behaving nicely all the time but to me it is BS -AF as well I'm 30 and I convinced that I cant love everyone and won't show smile to people I don't want
@RuiFRibeiro well you shouldn't be so negative about hand talking, it's also a natural way f expressing it help dissipate the stress, it helps also to express how you feel to an audience making it potentially more receptive. if hands and body language wasn't important they would have replace Steeve Jobs (or any speaker they use those day) by Siri to handle the Keynotes for a while now :D
 
9:19 AM
@Kiwy Do not confuse things...It is not I am unfriendly...I just do not apreciate BS. I am like my father actually...he speaks BS and then it is soft at heart....just like a barking dog lol
@Kiwy I have not been 30 for a long while... ;)
 
@RuiFRibeiro How that even possible ? I'm sure I'll be 30 for ever
(I wouldn't wish that to my worst enemy)
 
@Kiwy There's a book called "Brightsided" by Barbara Ehrenreich. I think you'd like it.
 
9:37 AM
@JennyD Ho I've just started a talk she gave, I could read that, I love her tone and it's been only 3 minutes
 
@Kiwy I've read several of her books and always come away with a new understanding of things
 
@JennyD Well thank you ! I give you the positive point of the day ! :D
 
@Kiwy Thank you :-)
 
9:51 AM
@JennyD She's a good writer, though I think I've only read "Nickeled and Dimed". That was a very educational book.
I've probably read some of her articles. Does she/did she write for the Nation?
 
I prefer to read zero hedge and survivalblog for the odd insights ;)
 
"Nickeled and Dimed" is really one of those books that should be more widely read. By both Americans and non-Americans. Non-Americans in particular often have very strange ideas of the US. And the kinds of things that Ehrenreich talks about in that book aren't well understood outside the US.
 
@FaheemMitha It's a great book! I have it and still re-read it sometimes. It grounds me a bit; I'm in such a privileged position in many ways as a highly paid sysadmin and living in a country with a social safety net, and it's too easy to forget that this isn't the case for everyone.
 
@JennyD Yes, it's not the case in most countries.
But the US treatment of poor people is particularly ugly.
Russ Allbery has a funny comment in a recent book review. He's talking about a novel set in Sweden. He said that perhaps Swedish novels should be marketed as utopian SF in the US.
I could probably find the link if you want.
Though the actual title is "Nickel and Dimed".
 
10:14 AM
@JennyD Interesting and original topic for a book.
I'd not heard of it till just now.
 
10:28 AM
@FaheemMitha Sorry,.got stuck in a question from a coworker
@FaheemMitha I've read that review; Russ is an old net friend and I generally like the same books he does, so I've read pretty much everything that he's given a high score. The book is by a guy called Fredrik Backman, whose blog I'd been following for a while before he got his book deals. He's a very good writer
I've been thinking of getting his books in English to see how well they translate.
 
@JennyD I've read a few things he's highly rated. But I think at least in fiction we have rather different tastes.
I also recommended a couple of things to him that he eventually reviewed.
"Mask of Dimotrios" and "Memoirs of an Invisible Man", I think.
 
For the rest of you guys who are wonedring what we are talking about, the review is at eyrie.org/~eagle/reviews/books/1-5011-1507-3.html and the relevant part is this:
 
Though I partially confused "Dimotrios" with another of Ambler's books - "Journey into Fear".
 
> I am, as a side note, once again struck by the subtle difference in stories from cultures with a functional safety net. I caught my American brain puzzling through ways that some of the people in this book could still be alive and living in this apartment building since they don't seem capable of holding down jobs, before realizing this story is not set in a brutal Hobbesian jungle of all against all like the
> United States. The existence of this safety net plays no significant role in this book apart from putting a floor under how far people can fall, and yet it makes all the difference in the world and in some ways makes Backman's plot possible. Perhaps publishers should market Swedish literary novels as utopian science fiction in the US.
 
He liked the Ambler book. He wasn't so impressed by Saint's book, though I think Memoirs is a borderline masterpiece of thriller writing.
@JennyD Yes, that's the quote. It's really quite funny, especially coming from an American.
 
10:35 AM
@FaheemMitha We once discussed the Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV series. I pointed out that to me, the real horror was that when (spoiler warning! ) a character's mom died and the character had to leave college to take care of her sibling, that was pretty much it for the character's chance at an education and a good life
That is just not how it works where I live.
 
@JennyD I remember talking about Buffy, but I don't remember that comment.
 
In a similar situation, the adult sibling would get economic support to take care of the minor, and anyway going to the university is free. (Books, food and rent is still something you need to pay for, but not tuition)
 
Though of course, in this particular case, the topic is confused by the fact that the character is a superhero. Or her alter-ego is.
 
@FaheemMitha You're in The Other Place?
 
@JennyD What's that?
In real life, people aren't commonly superheros.
 
10:37 AM
@FaheemMitha A certain usenet hierarchy only carried by servers run by people who are vouched for by other people already in the group
 
@JennyD I've no idea what that is. sorry.
I used to read Usenet when it still existed, but was never involved with it in any serious way.
 
@FaheemMitha Now I realise that I misunderstood you! When I said "we discussed Buffy", I meant that Russ and I (and others) were discussing it. Not that you and I were. Sorry!
 
@JennyD We did talk about Buffy here.
 
So when you said you remembered I was all "oh, is he using a separate name over there!"
 
But I don't recall that comment. So probably you were talking to some other people.
 
10:40 AM
Yes, that was on Usenet
 
I wonder what Russ thinks of Buffy. He's never mentioned it.
Either the show or the character.
 
@FaheemMitha This was several years ago. My recollection is that he rather liked it, but he certainly wasn't blind to the problematic aspects of the show.
But I shouldn't speak for him, given that my memory is quite bad
 
@JennyD Ok.
 
I may be giving him my own opinions.
(Like that I really don't like Xander.)
 
Adam Cadre quite likes it. I think it's one of his favorite shows. Some unexpected people like Buffy.
@JennyD You don't like Xander? Why?
I mean, I don't have feelings about most of the characters, really. If I have a favorite, it would probably be Anya, though.
 
10:42 AM
We got season 6 and 7 sent to us by friends in the US who recorded it every week for us. We even got a new VHS player that could play US tapes specifically for it.
 
@JennyD That sounds like a lot of work. I suppose that was a pre-DVD era.
 
@FaheemMitha He's a stereotypical Nice Guy[TM] who acts as if he owns all women around him. He gets a little less bad during the show but not remotely enough.
Oz, on the other hand, is a genuinely nice person.
 
@JennyD I hadn't noticed. But I'm not exactly sensitive to women issues.
Seeing as I'm not a woman, I mean.
@JennyD I hadn't really noticed that either. Also, he's hardly in the show. He's a significant character for like a season and a half.
And most of the time he doesn't say anything anyway.
 
@FaheemMitha It's not something I noticed when I first saw it either. It was really a reallly groundbreaking show at the time when it comes to feminism and women's issues - but that's 20 years ago and it hasn't aged quite as well as one would have hoped.
 
@JennyD I've occasionally thought that it's characteristically American take on female emporwerment.
Where empowering a woman means she beats up people and things.
I.e. violence == empowerment. Very American.
 
10:47 AM
@FaheemMitha Also note that every "strong woman" who can beat people and things up that Whedon ever wrote is also physically tiny
 
I suppose the background is that she is helping people, but often that isn't so obvious.
 
I need to go for lunch now, I have a lunch meeting... talk to you later!
 
@JennyD Yes, well, they all have superpowers. That's generally true of all female superheros too. Look at Supergirl and Wonder Woman.
Both of them are normally depicted as quite normally sized.
Still can still throw around trucks and stuff.
 
yes, but Buffy is described as "tiny" several times. So is River in Firefly.
 
In Supergirl's case I suppose she could do rather more than that.
@JennyD Fair enough. And SMG is actually quite small.
@JennyD Ok. Well, talk to you later.
 
 
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1:34 PM
Hi @PrabhjotSingh. How are you?
It's still hot here.
 
@FaheemMitha still alive.
Same here, hot but pleasant at night.
 
Defamation laws are stupid and dangerous to civic health. The UK still has one too. The US no longer has a functioning one, fortunately.
The Supreme Court got rid of it some time ago.
Aka sedition, I think.
Actually, I think I'm conflating two different things.
 
@FaheemMitha defamation , sedition . In a civilized society we don't need them.
 
The one I was thinking of is criticism of the State. Which is different from civil defamation.
@PrabhjotSingh Just ways to censor people.
 
@FaheemMitha antithetical ti democracy.
 
1:38 PM
I'm told this function doesn't work in macOS:
pyclean () {
    find . -regex '^.*\(__pycache__\|\.py[co]\)$' -delete
}
 
@FaheemMitha British have done away with sedition so far as i know.
 
@PrabhjotSingh No, I think they still have a law. Though I could be wrong.
Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against established authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interest of sedition. Typically, sedition is considered a subversive act, and the overt acts that may be prosecutable under sedition laws vary from...
So abolished in 2009, except for "aliens". So if you are a Little Green Man, you are Out Of Luck.
And I was wrong - sedition is still a crime in the US. According to Wikipedia, anyway.
Law is confusing.
@PrabhjotSingh But you were talking about defamation,which is different.
 
@FaheemMitha I could be wrong but Law commission sought opinion from public about sedition and criminal defamation.
 
@PrabhjotSingh In the UK?
 
If you see hiw this is used to stifle dissent or contain freedom of expression. Is this right ?
@FaheemMitha in India.
 
1:47 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Oh. And what did the Great Indian Public say, I wonder.
 
@FaheemMitha People are confused. In English press, people criticize but people at large still support these laws, imo.
 
@PrabhjotSingh Indians are terminally confused, so that's a bit redundant.
Actually, I think Jaitley deserves to be sued. He is a creep, imo. But not on those grounds. Since when is not liking a court decision a crime?
Well, time for dinner, methinks. Later, folks.
 
@FaheemMitha 124A British introduced this. In their country they abolished this. But here we still have it.
 
@PrabhjotSingh We probably have other bad British laws, too.
I've read that some Indianisms are just extremely-out-of-date Britishisms. That used to be part of the language in the 19th century.
But are no longer used there now.
 
@FaheemMitha British have gone away but the idea to contain freedom of expression hasn't.
 
1:53 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Agreed.
 
If anyone has any idea why the above usage of find in macOS would work differently from the one in Linux (aside from the fact that they are different implementations), please let me know...
 
2:27 PM
@FaheemMitha Not liking a court decision on valid ground should not be a crime, imo.
Sep 21 at 21:20, by Prabhjot Singh
@FaheemMitha And i have a feeling that contempt is antithetical to free speech.
 
3:24 PM
@PrabhjotSingh Valid is a matter of opinion.
 
@AaronHall The -regex thing is a GNU find thing, but find in macOS Mojave does have both that and -delete.
@AaronHall So, please further specify "does not work" and exactly on what macOS version it does not do what's intended.
 
Looks like the \ doesn't escape in bsd find...
 
3:41 PM
How can i contact the onboard developers?
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Q: Onboard hover/dwell click can' t be enabled

ScorpionI'm using lubuntu 18.04, after i reinstalled the OS the onboard dwell click key is grayed-out and cannot be used. Also the mouse keys (in onboard) aren' t working anymore if i click one of them the mouse gets stuck on the key. Using dconf-editor i tried with enabled/disabled dwell click (in the s...

 
 
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7:44 PM
@PrabhjotSingh To be clear, feelings/opinions about a court decision, whatever those feelings/opinions might be, can't possibly be a crime.
 

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