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slm

12:35 AM

@mattdm How are they as an employer?

mattdm

12:58 AM

@slm Excellent. Great work culture, amazing co-oworkers

@slm redhat.com/about/news/archive/2013/12/…

@slm If you're looking at something in specific, send me e-mail :)

Michael Mrozek

12:54 PM

Classic: unix.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/45949

It's the single approve vote that does it

StrongBad

2:02 PM

How do I save

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Q: Is TWM still a viable window manager?

I have been using mainly KDE on my main desktop for a while now and have decided it is too bloated (e.g., my issue with Desktop indexing with KDE) and was thinking of switching to LXDE because it is "lighter". I realized if I want to go light, then why not just go all the way back to before "desk...

When I posted it, I felt like there is an objective answer and I think the answer about not supporting EWMH is pretty objective and not opinion based.

slm

2:28 PM

@MichaelMrozek Ugh. At least the guy that posted the edits was honest, he confesses at the bottom that he can't post A's b/c he was banned on SE. 8-)

Patrick

3:19 PM

Here we go again...

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Q: How to parse ls output easily?

I intended to append to another question, but I don't believe I can edit it now. In any case, while working on that other my documented successes were iffy at best. I know it can be done, and I have come up with at least two ways, but I should like to know if anyone else can handle ls output easi...

ls

Braiam

3:47 PM

do we need unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/wtmp?

Patrick

I think wtmp is a bit too specific yes.
Perhaps even 'last' as well, but not sure what a good generic tag would be. I would say 'login', but 'login' already has a different purpose.

Though I would say 'login' is misused. As it is currently described, it should be labeled "authentication", not "login".

Gilles

@Patrick a lot of posts tagged login are unrelated to authentication

login is a bit vague, but I don't know how to refine it

Patrick

"the process or the credentials whereby one gets access to a computer (e.g. by providing a username and password)." To me that's not login, thats authentication

Gilles

it covers anything from the login prompt to what happens at the start of the session

@Patrick oh, the tag wiki. That's just a crap tag wiki that copies a dictionary definition instead of explaining what the tag is about. Give me a minute

Patrick

Yes, the tag wiki, sorry. I always use the tag wiki to determine what the scope of a tag is, not how it's used, as tags are often misused.

terdon

4:04 PM

@anthon you should post your modified ls as an answer here.

Gilles

4:50 PM

@Patrick done (it was a long minute). Tag wikis aren't so reliable, unfortunately: many of them are a dictionary definition or Wikipedia copypasta that aren't indicative of how the tag is used

Patrick

5:28 PM

@Gilles Looks good, thanks :-)

derobert

6:16 PM

@mattdm Sorry, we only vote for pictures of dmr :-)

Gilles

@derobert and against twitter bots (we beat SF!)

Patrick

can someone fill me in, what does the twitter bot do? and why do we hate it?

derobert

@Gilles Hah, yeah, that's true.

@Patrick It does (or at least did) pick questions from the site and tweet about them. Unfortunately, the questions it chose were often pretty bad...

Gilles

@Patrick the twitter bot posts links to questions on a twitter account. It has a talent for picking populist questions — questions that are easy to understand (and so gain a broad audience) but not useful (and are quite boring and to experts)

@MichaelMrozek review ban? Or is it only enabled on SO — on my beta sites I haven't had a case where I've wanted to use it yet

Michael Mrozek

@Gilles His other reviews are infrequent and seem right, so I left it. I'm pretty sure they are enabled on UL, I think I banned somebody a while ago who was just approving everything

Patrick

7:02 PM

@Gilles If it sucks so bad, and everyone hates it, why does it still exist?

Gilles

@Patrick only SF, and now U&L, hate it. Most other graduated sites have the requisite 6 upvotes for the twitter bot to feature as a site ad (even on Programmers, which suffers a lot from highly-publicized questions exposed to SOers who don't understand what progse is about, the ad is +5)

Braiam

@Patrick actually the Twitter bot still tweets questions, just that we do not advertise it ;)

Michael Mrozek

7:18 PM

Somebody else deal with the imminent mikeserv meta post about how important parsing ls is, I don't really feel like it

Patrick

Isn't asking a new question because your last one got closed on you against the site rules anyway?

Gilles

@Patrick if the new question is identical to the old one, yes. If it makes a serious attempt to overcome the reasons for closure of the earlier question, no.

I haven't read mikeserv's latest opus yet. I don't understand why he keeps looking for Rube Goldberg ways to use ls when * is so convenient.

terdon

7:39 PM

This one is a fair question though. He's basically asking if anyone can come up with a robust way to parse ls. None of us are going to be willing to try since none of us think it's worth it but I guess the question in itself is OK.

Patrick

My issue with it is that's what his last question was about. His first question was titled "why not parse ls" but really was "how can I parse ls"? If the first one was actually about why not parsing ls, I wouldn't have an issue with it.
But as it is, I won't touch the new question. I don't think I'm objective about it.

terdon

@Patrick Fair enough. In his defense though he really, honestly, likes an argument and I've seen him back down and accept defeat. He's just a bit aggressive about it but is actually open to being convinced. You just sometimes need to use a club to do so.

Michael Mrozek

8:26 PM

I'm told he's going to go through it and try to clean up obsolete stuff from the argument threads, so hopefully that will help, and maybe the remainder will be short enough that people will actually be able to read that whole page in their lifetimes

mikeserv

I was invited to join a chat?

I don't think you should touch the new question - I'm fairly certain it's been deleted.

Michael Mrozek

@mikeserv I was trying to invite you so we could talk here instead of Google+, but it's a bit late now :)

mikeserv

Ok, man.

Michael Mrozek

The new one is gone, the old one is still open

mikeserv

Thanks again.

@terdon - a big club works best.

terdon

8:32 PM

@mikeserv Heh, yeah, what with your military training and all, I wouldn't dare hit you with anything less :)

mikeserv

Yup. They did teach me how to take a beating.

slm

8:46 PM

@Patrick I'm interested in the opp. in talking to my wife (my boss) she said no to ft. lauderdale Fl. She's interested in NC she's informed me at this point.

@MichaelMrozek I've already permanently touched my nose on those 8-)

Patrick

@slm hrm. telecommuting might be an option. do you have somewhere we can take this conversation private?

email, or im

slm

I have im

or email

which would be better?

Patrick

Lets go with email for now.

slm

k sam.mingolelli at gmail

Patrick

will send you something here in a few then :-)

slm

8:52 PM

k

slm

9:17 PM

@Gilles - you're so ahead of the curve it's scary. Was attempting to run a compiled c# app today using monodevelop and was having Wine run it instead of mono. Googling turns up this SU Q from 2010

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Q: Why is Ubuntu trying to open my Mono app with Wine instead of Mono?

So, I have compiled a C# program on Linux using MonoDevelop. When I try to execute the resulting binary, my system tries and fails to run it as a windows executable, with wine. Wine gives me the following message: $ ~/bin/MyMonoApp wine: Install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executable...

linux file-association executable mono-framework

Scrolling down to this A

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A: Why is Ubuntu trying to open my Mono app with Wine instead of Mono?

Execution of binaries in the Linux kernel is controlled via the binfmt_misc module (short for “miscellaneous binary formats”). The way it works is that the kernel looks at the first few bytes of the file and sees if there is a “magic number” that characterizes a known file format. The idea is tha...

Braiam

10:10 PM

@slm gee, I didn't knew that

I mean, I knew about magic but not exactly the mechanisms

slm

@Braiam me neither

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