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ratchet freak
ratchet freak
12:03 AM
@HDE226868 ostensibly you can ignore the user if you don't want to see the messages
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@ratchetfreak I know, but do a significant amount of people really want to see them at all? I doubt that more than a few want it. For now, I think I'll remove that user. Lack of chat activity is making the effect even bigger. I feel like I'm stumbling around in a field of giant balloons.
 
Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
HDE 226868 has stopped a feed from being posted into this room
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
And I've popped the balloons.
Hey! What happened to The Bikeshed??? — Zizouz212 13 mins ago
Indeed. Why is that suggestion gone?
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
1:19 AM
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Q: Call to nominate candidates for Pro Tem Moderator

kdopenSE Recommend in their blog that this question be opened early to help them identify Pro-tem Moderators for the public beta stage, so: Moderator Qualities About a week into the public beta, SE will seek out members who are deeply engaged in the community’s development; members who: Have a reas...

discussion moderator-election
 
Gilles
Gilles
1:43 AM
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A: What are our main risks of not getting to public beta?

GillesIn terms of quantity, we're doing fine. A private beta should produce about 100–200 questions, and we already have 84 as I write, 63 of which are not closed. But quantity is not everything. Scope Almost half the questions are tagged license. Not all license-related questions have this tag, so ...

Yes, this post is negative. Yes, it's warranted.
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
2:23 AM
0
Q: Bad questions, or bad understanding?

Zizouz212I noticed that from this post that we have a substantial amount of questions closed... We have 84 questions And 180 answers Pretty good, isn't it? Of the 84 questions, 21 are closed at the time of this writing. That's 25%. Exactly 25%. Reasons for closure: (I likely missed a few...) Too B...

discussion closed-questions
 
 
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Madara Uchiha
Madara Uchiha
7:07 AM
@HDE226868 Maybe for badge? Doesn't matter, I think the consensus is/was obvious.
Even if OP retracted their suggestion, it's still a valid suggested room name.
 
 
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Unihedron
Unihedron
9:13 AM
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
9:43 AM
@Gilles: Well, I can ask some questions about philosophy and history of open source and free software. Downside is: I know the answers to all these questions. I will ask them in some hour-intervals, as I don't like it if one user floods the site with a lot of questions at once.
What does the 'right to fork' mean?: opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/345/…
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
@Mnementh eek another law question
 
 
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Mnementh
Mnementh
11:07 AM
@Unihedron: No, that is philosophical in nature, the law is only to make it happen. But yeah, I see how you can see it as law-connected. I try harder.
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
11:31 AM
And votes to close, as I come up with a question that isn't entirely about licensing issues: opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/348/…
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
12:00 PM
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Q: Should we just allow open source?

MnementhIn the question Are NC Creative Commons licenses on topic? I argued that the NC-clause of Creative Commons (and ND for that matter) isn't conforming to Open Source (while CC-BY and CC-SA are). But in the commentaries we discussed the point, if the site might include it anyways. So, should stuff b...

discussion scope on-topic
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
12:33 PM
0
Q: Are FAQs on-topic?

TichodromaThis question is asking a question that can easily be answered by reading the resources from the well known resources (FSF and OSI). I think such a question is a FAQ regarding Free Software and Open Source. Are FAQs on-topic on this site?

discussion scope on-topic
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Q: Is this meta tag on topic & in scope?

TRiGOn this meta site, we have the tags on-topic and scope. These would appear to be redundant. Could we set one as a synonym of the other?

discussion
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
12:58 PM
Third day hitting the reputation cap. Finally I could review the tag-wiki-submissions.
 
 
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Meta Data
Meta Data
3:01 PM
0
Q: How many of us regularly contribute to open source projects?

trichoplaxI use open source software, and I am interested in becoming a contributor, but at present I am not. I think the best expert level questions will come from people who have regular experience at working on open source software (not just using it). People who have seen what problems need to be addre...

discussion
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
3:39 PM
@Mnementh I have no clue how you've got so much rep...
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Mnementh I agree with @Zizouz212. You must have loads of accepted answers, to be 200 above what the rep cap alone gives you.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Exactly. I just simply don't get it...
He's just a super super special person. ;)
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
I've hit it twice and am halfway there today, but that leaves me on 600ish with no accepts.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Anyways, how should we begin about establishing a solid version of the scope?
I was thinking having a single post with a single comm wiki answer where people can just add the results from their threads... I feel like it could change drastically throughout the course of the next few days. It will be different from what we thought in Area 51.
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Zizouz212 That's nebulous. The scope isn't something we can document in all its extremities: we simply have to bring up points about it on Meta as they come up, and refer to them when necessary. Of course, we have the help/on-topic page, but it can't and shouldn't document everything that is and isn't on topic here. We've just got to let it happen.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
3:49 PM
Perhaps, but I feel that there may be disputes arising and things may not be clear.
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
@Zizouz212 that's what the beta phase is for
let them arise and settle it in meta
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I understand that beta will bring all the disputes, but what about their results? I feel as if that people will not get each one and we won't be clear with the entire community.
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
that's what enforcement is for
the community gets the power to collectively enforce the results of the issue
with disputes they can't agree on it's the mods task to get a concensus
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I suppose.
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
On that subject, who looks likely for mods?
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
3:59 PM
You...
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Heh. I suppose. Also @Mnementh, our resident rep-eater.
Top 5 users are currently Mnementh, Zizouz, me, Madara Uchiha, kdopen.
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
Who knows? We might have a surprise. The community team reaches out to people they look up to, and it's not usually by rep. One time the highest rep user in a beta ranted on MSE about not getting appointed for pro-tem mod while someone with half their rep got appointed.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Ooh sorry I zoned out. Mods?
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
It's not like we're on LH.SE. :P
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Mnementh!
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
4:02 PM
We do have a lot of good users up the top of our leaderboard...
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
The biggest rep guy who's rep doesn't make sense!
Who's top for rep?
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
I don't think I'm a good mod, others should go. Although I will go through the review-queue, if I have time.
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Zizouz212 Who do you think is top for rep??
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
And for my rep: 32 answers of which 7 are accepted - mystery solved.
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
There it is then
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
4:03 PM
I'm there?
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
600 + (7*15) = 705... still not enough
Questions too I assume, some edits maybe
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
810 rep for Mnementh...
Don't forget the association bonus too. :)
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
In the top 3 lines of the leaderboard, I see 3 mods from other sites and most of the names I recognise.
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
+100 association bonus + 2 answers I accepted (each giving 2 points which to my surprise don't go into the cap)
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Ah yes. 805 so far then.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
4:05 PM
809...
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
So we're missing 1 point... that's the initial point, isn't it?
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
+1 everyone had from the start
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Plus the mandatory point. :)
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Rep calculated. :)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Yaay! Prizes for all :D
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
4:06 PM
So who would you guys like to see as mod? I've got some bets on who might make it...
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I'd kinda want to be mod, but I don't know if people would take a 15 yr old seriously...
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Zizouz212 If you don't tell them, they will. I guessed you were youngish but not that young.
Compare: guess my age.
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
Top revievers close votes: Zizouz212, kdopen, ArtOfCode, HDE 226868
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Mnementh why does this not surprise me?
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
@ArtOfCode Madara!
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
4:08 PM
30?
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Unihedron That's one of my bets :)
Oooh an LQ review
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
The named people also are present for reviewing queue first posts and low quality posts
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
I'm in the top 4 for all review queues I've been to... whoops.
 
ProgramFOX
ProgramFOX
@Zizouz212 There are many mods on SE that are 15 or younger. That's no problem.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
4:10 PM
@ProgramFOX Okay. That makes me feel hopeful! :)
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@ratchetfreak I forgot that existed, thanks!
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
@Zizouz212 I always take you seriously!
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@ratchetfreak Cool, interesting stats
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Except if you're joking!
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Ahh, you guys are awesome!
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
4:11 PM
Even when you're joking. I have no sense of humor. Hi, I'm Unihedron.
lol worst ice breaker ever
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Unihedron Humor? What's that?
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
I think it's the name of an open source module for chatbots.
 
Canadian Luke
Canadian Luke
Hey, can I ask for advice from some of the more seasoned SE people? I'm wondering if it's possible for my question to get reopened and not be too broad. Anyone willing to help?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@CanadianLuke I can help if you want? What's the question in question?
 
Canadian Luke
Canadian Luke
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Q: How do I attract new programmers?

Canadian LukeI am working on a project, currently by myself. It's a side project, I'm not expecting to make money on it. It's posted on GitHub, and I'm going to be building a project page for it. Once it's built, how do I get other programmers to want to contribute? I am checking in code constantly, but no o...

collaboration
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
4:12 PM
Walk down a street with a bunch of citrus fruit. When walking past an attractive lady, drop it. After some time spent trying to retrieve them, look her straight in the eye, and say "Sorry, I'm bad at pickup limes."
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Joke time now?
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
@ArtOfCode ...
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@CanadianLuke More experienced says the mod. Okay, I'll take a look - I think I was one of the closers.
@Unihedron You don't like my terrible puns?
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
I ain't judging
 
Canadian Luke
Canadian Luke
@ArtOfCode You're a very punny guy, it's awww-some
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
4:14 PM
@CanadianLuke I'm also good at reopening questions. There's your final vote.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
If only I was punful...
 
Canadian Luke
Canadian Luke
Thanks, but I don't want it to stay open if it's a bad question. Obviously, something needs to be changed so 5 other users won't VTC it as well
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@CanadianLuke I closed it originally because it seemed far too broad, but after some time on the site it seems many questions are fairly broad, so perhaps we need to raise the broad bar a little.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@ArtOfCode Maybe just for the private beta though.
I don't think we want to see many of those questions in public and afterwards
 
Canadian Luke
Canadian Luke
Well, I'm not a mod on that site, and don't think I will. I'd rather fix it now, rather than wait for later
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
4:16 PM
@Zizouz212 I think we need to just see how it goes. If lots of our questions are like that but get answered well, we can just have a higher bar. If they're not getting answered well, then yes they shouldn't be here.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Well, obviously! But if questions are just becoming duplicate and the community isn't settled with it, then perhaps. For now, I agree, let's let it go
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
I've voted to reopen this because after some time on the site, it seems many of our questions are of similar scope and are getting answered well. It seems we can tolerate a higher level of broadness than many other sites. — ArtOfCode 22 secs ago
Don't worry, no level of toleration is too high - look at computer science se
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Taking a look...
 
Canadian Luke
Canadian Luke
Well, I appreciate that
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Also, I got a 92 in computer science. Yaay! :)
 
Canadian Luke
Canadian Luke
4:18 PM
I feel it has some great answers on it
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Oh yeah, if computer science isn't broad, we're perfectly fine
@ArtOfCode Your second place for rep. :)
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Zizouz212 I've just pipped you on rep. 619-617
Heh. We sent that at pretty much the same time.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I up voted you. :)
Not for the sake of a vote, but cause it was a pretty good answer as well
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Aahh that's where the other upvote came from.
I got +20. One was probably from OP, so the other was probably yours.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I up voted the one you just answered.
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
4:23 PM
And there's another +10. Roll in the upvotes.
And another.
+138 so far today.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@Mnementh Shall never know! Pss A secret plan to get @ArtOfCode past Mnementh!
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Zizouz212 Careful we don't accidentally start serially upvoting :)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Oh no, the other up votes weren't mine. Those were from someone else
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Also, is nobody going to challenge my community promotion ad?
@Zizouz212 Good good then :)
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
@ArtOfCode Why should we?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
4:25 PM
Anyways, I'm heading out for about an hour. See ya then!
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Unihedron Because it's useless, frankly...
@Zizouz212 Later :)
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@ArtOfCode I have no better idea and horrible design-skills.
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Mnementh I didn't think mine were much good either..
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@ArtOfCode You didn't see what I would cook up.
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Mnementh Now I'm curious...
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
4:30 PM
LOL, better not, you would scream in agony ;-)
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Mnementh Hmmm... yeah okay then.
Now this would be interesting: what's the ratio of mods male to female on StackExchange?
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
4:46 PM
@Mnementh I'm about to throw a whole load of wiki reviews your way...
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
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Q: Do we want recommendation/shopping questions?

AndyQuestion in question: How to keep open source projects up to date This question is asking for software recommendations that is commonly utilized for version control (though doesn't mention "version control" by name). Is this type of question on topic here?

discussion scope
 
Pandya
Pandya
5:02 PM
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Pandya An interesting read.
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@ArtOfCode Would probably add to opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/310/…
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Mnementh not mine to add to. Instead, I'm adding it to this.
 
Pandya
Pandya
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@Pandya: I think you could add to the Beta. Do you have access to opensource.SE?
 
Pandya
Pandya
5:16 PM
No
 
Unihedron
Unihedron
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@Pandya I disagree somewhat. Most of the free licenses still allow for tivoization. Only a few have taken precaution against it. So tivoization is nothing that open source has and free software doesn't.
The example Android for instance is based on the free licenses Apache and GPL
 
Pandya
Pandya
@Unihedron doe.
Btw, I will start Q&A tomorrow; (there is goodnight in my region)
@Unihedron (type mistake -doe) I've done (created account on opensource.SE)
good bye
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
5:36 PM
Aaaannnd there's the rep cap. Though I might still have some to go because I got an accept..
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
6:03 PM
0
Q: Are questions about collaborative development on-topic

kdopenI haven't found our site's "mission statement" yet, so consider this another step in developing one. Will we consider questions about collaborative development in general to be on-topic. Although this type of development is common in many endeavours, it - and the problems it entails - is parti...

discussion
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@Pandya @Mnementh I can raise that in my answer in your link :)
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Zizouz212 Hello again :)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Hi!
I'm back! :)
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
I noticed :)
In other news, I've hit the rep cap again
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
So what are you at now?
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
6:14 PM
@Zizouz212 716. Went slightly over the cap (by 15) because of an accept.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Oooh nice. I'm at like 662 or something...
So now you're second place?
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
6:48 PM
@Zizouz212 Fraid I overtook you ;)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Ahh it's fine. Rep doesn't mean much to me anyway. :/
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
@Zizouz212 I foresee us being pretty equal on rep terms anyway. You'll catch up, I'll take it back, etc.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
It's like a race without a clear winner!
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Exactly! Not that it's competitive or anything...
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
7:10 PM
0
Q: What time is Stack Exchange in?

Trevor ClarkeI reached my reputation cap for today and was wondering when it will be tomorrow.. I know it is not the same time as where I am now!! If anyone could tell me the timezone that would be amazing!

support
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
7:48 PM
0
Q: Will this be a place where everybody feels that duty calls?

TichodromaI have the impression that many of us (including me) are working hard to make this site a place where everybody feels that duty calls. Is this impression wrong? Will this site primarily be opinion based?

discussion
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
7:59 PM
0
Q: When will this open to the public?

Trevor ClarkeWhen will the Open Source stack exchange open to the public? Will this be a quick process or will it be a while before this happends? How will it work?

discussion
 
Meta Data
Meta Data
8:34 PM
0
Q: When do you think it is appropriate to start electing moderators?

Trevor ClarkeWhile the site has only been open for a couple of days, although I still think we could discuss when you think we should elect moderators. I think in roughly a week when the dedicated users have had a chance to show their initiative .

discussion
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
8:48 PM
I see I have missed a busy past 20 hours.
 
Air
Air
9:10 PM
@MetaData I saw this in the feed and my first reaction was, "Why does every beta have to have a conversation about pooping?"
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Air Groan.
 
Air
Air
@HDE226868 What does that mean? HDE are you pooping? HDE pls respond
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Air Haha.
 
overactor
overactor
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Q: Will "software" be an implicit tag for every question not categorized in another way?

AirPrior to the beta launch, there was discussion of whether this site would be limited in scope to open source software. The strong consensus was behind an answer that argues: If the scope does not include significant areas of interest to just the open-source world (licensing, hardware, DIY p...

discussion scope tags
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
Would that even be safe? Electricity near liquid?
 
overactor
overactor
9:13 PM
I was a bit late, but I added an opposing answer to that question.
 
derobert
derobert
@HDE226868 Nothing wrong with electricity near water, provided proper safety precautions are in place :-)
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
I can't believe I'm in a conversation about this.
 
derobert
derobert
Simple fix. Remove the safety precautions, no more conversation!
 
overactor
overactor
People seemed to almost unanimously agree with the only answer though, so maybe I'm just objectively wrong :]
 
Air
Air
@overactor It usually looks that way, when only one side bothers to show up. Thanks for providing a place for those who feel differently to hang their votes.
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
9:20 PM
You make a good point about following the tag.
 
overactor
overactor
@Air Yeah, just having one side represented felt wrong.
@HDE226868 It is the most tangible reason to keep the tag around.
wow, almost 300 users.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
Really? Have people been inviting more?
Does that include community managers?
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@trichoplax It appears it does.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
It's still a great number
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
It would do, yes, but there aren't huge numbers of them. That means we've got +50 ish users from those who actually signed up for the beta.
 
overactor
overactor
9:27 PM
@trichoplax I suppose so, only about 160 people who commited signed up so far
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
proprietary-code: For questions that are on hold due to not being about open source code
 
Air
Air
@overactor To avoid influencing how yours is received, I'll unaccept the other. I honestly don't feel too strongly either way, I think both arguments are good.
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
strange, beside the 'review'-link I see a one, but if I click on review the queues are empty
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
@Mnementh Review queues lie on all SE sites
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Mnementh It happens. It's a known issue. That's how many posts need to be reviewed by anyone.
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
9:34 PM
Ah, so that's one I skipped because I wasn't sure.
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
is the traditional cause of all problems, whether actually caused by caching or not
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
9:55 PM
@Zizouz212 Sorry for the abruptness on my deletion of the question; I felt it was too similar to the other and might be answered there. I also phrased it a bit unclearly, looking back.
I want to be careful to ask good questions during private beta.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@HDE226868 No Worries. :)
 
overactor
overactor
10:22 PM
@Air That seems fair, we'll see how thing develop from here.
By the way, could we add the OSI rss feed to this chat?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@overactor What would the purpose of that be though?
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
To inspire new questions?
 
overactor
overactor
To keep up with open source news?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Perhaps, but could we put that in a separate room? I fear that with meta alerts and other things being automatically added that the main room will just become a feed
We could have a feed room or something, where people could comment on them. It would probably reduce clutter too
 
overactor
overactor
@Zizouz212 They seem to use it roughly once a week, can't see that leading to too much clutter.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
10:33 PM
Oh okay. The other question to that would be whether we want other feeds coming in too, rather than solely open source
 
overactor
overactor
I could ask the same about the xkcd feed, but I might get burned at the stake for questioning its presence.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
xkcd?
 
overactor
overactor
it might be a standard thing
 
ratchet freak
ratchet freak
@overactor it isn't
it often gets added on the whim of a mod
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
It can be removed at the touch of a button, if you wish.
Button(s), actually.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
10:38 PM
It was added earlier today/yesterday (depending on timezone) and flooded chat with the last 4 comics :)
I don't mind it popping up 3 times a week
 
overactor
overactor
I'm not too bothered by it really.
I like xkcd just as much as the next guy
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
It's guaranteed to occasionally be relevant
 
overactor
overactor
Can we add feeds at the click of some buttons too? And if so, who is allowed to click those buttons?
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
Thankfully only room owners can
(although we can have multiple room owners, right?)
 
overactor
overactor
@trichoplax Oh god, I can only imagine how exploitable the opposite would be.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
10:44 PM
Oh well. It sounds good for me.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
It would be war
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@trichoplax Even worse...
 
overactor
overactor
Who is going to ask the 100th question?
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
We have to have xkcd as it's where @HDE226868 comes from
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@trichoplax Hey!
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
10:46 PM
@overactor How do I tell if I did?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
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Q: Source code or binaries? How important is this?

trichoplaxMost open source projects provide precompiled binaries for a variety of platforms in addition to the source code. How important is it to download the source code and compile it yourself?

binaries
 
overactor
overactor
@trichoplax It looks like you did.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
@Zizouz212 What was that at?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
The 100th question...
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@trichoplax Haha.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
10:47 PM
I happened to be typing it when @overactor asked lol
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Which I posted so everyone would know for you :)
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
:)
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
There are four mods active on this site (that I know of): Me, Air, Madara Uchiha, and Gilles.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I literally go and look 5 seconds later:
1 Question with new Activity
And I'm like wlahhhhh!
 
Gilles
Gilles
Trevor Clarke probably did
@Zizouz212 this is the 100th question that isn't currently deleted
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
10:48 PM
@Gilles ?
Ooooh Deleted questions...
Who deleted a question?
 
Gilles
Gilles
@trichoplax and chat moderators (people with their name in blue)
 
overactor
overactor
@Gilles This is very likely subject to chang
 
Gilles
Gilles
@overactor yes
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Ahhhh. Makes sense
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Zizouz212 I deleted two, within ~10 minutes of posting each.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
10:49 PM
You did?
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
@Gilles So the next person could be 100th if they save up rep and delete an old question...
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Delete one, let someone ask a question to make them feel proud, and then ruin it for them by undeleting it :)
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
lol
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
That sounds so evil...
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Zizouz212 The one today and a history one yesterday, which I realized was boring once I read over it. And it asked about motivation (though motivation that could be answered rather easily), which Air wisely pointed out could lead to me getting some hell for.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
10:50 PM
@Gilles Does this mean moderators from any site can add feeds to this chat?
 
Gilles
Gilles
@trichoplax yes
N.B. can doesn't mean should
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
Wise words
 
overactor
overactor
What's up with the url containing 392 though, are all posts numbered uniquely?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I wouldn't be surprised
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@trichoplax Mod chat privileges are network-wide, as are notifications about flagged chat messages. . . Unfortunately.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
10:51 PM
Does that include answers?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Each post and answer has a different number
that's unique
 
Gilles
Gilles
@overactor Yes. Posts are numbered sequentially. This includes questions, answers, tag wiki bodies, tag wiki excerpts, and a few exotic things
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
The answer to the one @trichoplax just posted is 393, while the question is 392
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
@HDE226868 That must be a pain when someone unhelpful hops from chat to chat
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@trichoplax A little bit.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
10:52 PM
@Zizouz212 I have an answer already??
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
Yep. By the rep guy ;D
 
overactor
overactor
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@Mnementh You don't mind if I call you that? I still believe its impossible for you to have that much...
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
2 and a bit days in, 200 per day, 810. What's the problem? :)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
That's 400 a day....
Am I the only one that sees this?
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
10:57 PM
810 - 200 - 200 - 200 - 100 association = 110 in accepted answers = about 7 accepted answers. Maybe it's possible after all
 
overactor
overactor
Does anyone have any clue how we could reach those roughly 90 commiters that haven't joined the beta yet?
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@Zizouz212 LOL, obviously it is possible :-)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
But still, I don't believe it!
 
Gilles
Gilles
@overactor No. ~50% committers participating in the private beta is typical.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@overactor I find that only 50% of committers join in private betas
Then only about 10-15% join afterwards
The rest, well who knows...
 
overactor
overactor
10:57 PM
We're doing quite well then.
 
Gilles
Gilles
as I've said before, we have no problem with quantity
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
We're at 62.9% right now. Which is pretty good...
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@trichoplax Yes, I have 7 accepted answers
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@Mnementh Still, I don't believe it.
 
Gilles
Gilles
we have problems with scope and quality
 
overactor
overactor
10:58 PM
@Gilles point taken.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@Gilles I agree. We've got a lot of issues right now which aren't resolved.
 
Gilles
Gilles
this site is currently heavily slanted towards licensing 101
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@Zizouz212 Just believe ;-)
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
I'm doing my best to ask borderline off topic questions to get the scope defined
 
Gilles
Gilles
having so few expert questions in the private beta is worrying
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
10:59 PM
@Gilles Actually, we need more questions in marketing and organizing.
 
Gilles
Gilles
and being solely about licenses doesn't make a sustainable site
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
People just seem to think that we're all licenses and that's the only thing about open source.
We've attached ourselves so badly to osi that its biting us back
 
overactor
overactor
@trichoplax My only question so far was also of that kind
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
With any other topic, the possible questions might run out and then we'd see others, but licensing questions will never run out
 
overactor
overactor
but deemed off topic (probably deservedly)
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
11:00 PM
@overactor But that's still part of defining the scope - so it was worth asking
 
overactor
overactor
@trichoplax I like to think so
I should probably also get to asking about what to do about a contributer who does more damage than good
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@Zizouz212 Hmm, marketing, what can someone ask about marketing in connection to open source?
 
overactor
overactor
That was a controversial one on area 51
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
This is what we've got so far: open source, marketing projects, organizing projects (as per area 51), copyright, creative commons, collaboration (as long as related to open source) and that's all I can find on meta
and licensing, but thats obvious
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
@overactor I'd say that's relevant, and either way it needs asking so the community can decide
 
overactor
overactor
11:02 PM
I like creative commons, it moves us away from purely software a bit
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
I like it two. It allows us to go creative :)
Well, too...
But I feel as if we need other things, stating that this is open source already sounds slightly discouraging to broadening the scope (and the other fact that all of our questions are pretty much about licensing)
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
@Mnementh I guess marketing open source is different from business marketing in that you can sell it like a charity and get people/businesses/organisations to contribute to spreading the word
 
overactor
overactor
@trichoplax You also have to overcome the bias that open source is not as mature as proprietary sometimes
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
Ah yes
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
@trichoplax I try to think of a question in this direction, but I have difficulties. Probably I'm too much software dev and too less marketing...
 
overactor
overactor
11:06 PM
Should we discuss how good subjective / bad subjective applies to our site on meta?
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
We should
 
overactor
overactor
@Mnementh There's are problem, we're all too much dev and not enough everything else
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
I'm not even dev...
Perhaps my lack of any useful experience can be put to use?
 
ArtOfCode
ArtOfCode
Damn, it seems I'm going to miss a lot of activity here in my timezone.
 
overactor
overactor
Neither am I really, we can be used as a bad example
Typing in the title of a new question and seeing that 4 of the questions that se considers related are closed is likely not a good sign...
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
11:12 PM
Not necessarily - they may broader or less well defined versions of your question.
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@ArtOfCode Which zone?
 
overactor
overactor
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Q: How do I deal with (enthusiastic) contributors who damage more than they help?

overactorFrom time to time, an open source project will attract contributors who have a lot of enthusiasm, but lack skill, knowledge (or patience to know the project). These contributors can cause clutter, put off other contributors or sometimes directly harm the project. Assuming that this contributor i...

contributor human-resources
there
Any sugestions?
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
No votes up or down but 2 stars already - people are getting their popcorn ready
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
11:27 PM
@overactor Reminds me of a question good for Community Building.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
@overactor I know it's more of a hypothetical question to test the scope, but I've added a comment asking for clarification so the answers can be slightly more specific
 
overactor
overactor
@trichoplax Should I pick one of the two or keep it general?
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
@overactor Could it make 2 questions or would they be too similar?
 
overactor
overactor
@trichoplax I was thinking they might be
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
I guess if they don't need to make pull requests then the answers will just be "don't let everyone have that access"
Whereas if they don't have access to make pull requests and they are still managing to clutter things up and slow everyone down then that seems to warrant more in depth answers
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
11:36 PM
@trichoplax I favorite some questions I want to look at after I got new votes - my daily limit was up hours ago.
 
trichoplax
trichoplax
@Mnementh Then I take back my cynical assumption :)
Plus, that's a great idea - I might try that
 
Mnementh
Mnementh
Way past midnight here, I should hit the hay. I doubt anything I post now does make any sense.
Well, not that it make sense if I'm awake ... :-)
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
11:53 PM
PLEASE! FOR EVERYONE THAT IS DOWNVOTING AND VOTING TO CLOSE ON THE "EXPERIMENTAL" QUESTION, PLEASE USE A CUSTOM REASON OR SUPPORT AND ALREADY EXISTING ONE! sorry for the caps... :/
@overactor By the way, I know quite a few people in the creative works (I do a lot of creative stuff)? Should I send them a shout?
 
HDE 226868
HDE 226868
@Zizouz212 This one?
 
Zizouz212
Zizouz212
@HDE226868 Especially, but also the ones that will pop up later on
 

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