The Nineteenth Byte

rydwolf

12:55 AM

@DLosc sure, lol

lyxal

2:45 AM

web services are the cleanest things I've ever seen

rydwolf

5:22 AM

Well, fuck

For anyone here in the US, if you need support in the next four years, I'll do anything I can

I was like "oh at least they went from forecasting 91% for trump to 76%" then realized that was just Pennsylvania

Just fucking Pennsylvania

Dannyu NDos

6:08 AM

As someone living in a country allied to the US, the election is quite a concern to me.

mousetail 'he-him'

7:16 AM

Can we maybe add an official 17+ requirement for RO?

We can't verify of course

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Three-player rock-paper-scissors... but with Wuxings! Objective Given a list of three Wuxings, compare them in rock-paper-scissors fashion, and output which Wuxing is the winner. Wuxings Wuxings(五行) are the five "elements" in Chinese philosophy. They are Fire(火), Water(水), Wood(木), Metal(金), and ...

Dannyu NDos

We need more challenges about rock-paper-scissors.

Aiden Chow

7:32 AM

whos following the US election here

PA just confirmed for trump

trump pretty much wins

mousetail 'he-him'

Time to declare a republic of code golfers and claim independence

RubenVerg

golfia

mousetail 'he-him'

Real golfers and mini golfers also welcome

emanresu A

7:51 AM

@mousetail'he-him' as the resident 16yo RO, no

mousetail 'he-him'

Oops

emanresu A

It’s not like there’s any good reason to restrict things based on age anyway - if someone can moderate responsibly we don’t really care about their age

(as long as they can legally use SE ofc)

192927376337929292283737373773

8:32 AM

I am 695. I remember Aymon becoming Count of Savoy in 1329.

@mousetail'he-him' I can design a Constitution for the Golf Republic.

Fatalize

8:50 AM

Didn't expect to learn that Trump is pretty much guaranteed to win today, I thought it would take a couple of days to be sure like last election

(not that I'm surprised Trump won, USA is a funny place)

192927376337929292283737373773

Maybe we should shift this to a politics room.

emanresu A

If people want to have extended discussions about this, maybe, but it's fine for now

Fatalize

I mean we said we should allow off-topic discussions again on TNB, having a few messages on election day of the most influential county in the world is acceptable I would think

As long as it stays reasonable and respectful

192927376337929292283737373773

“Most influential” — American exceptionalism.

Fatalize

I'm not even American, it's just a fact currently

though China will probably end up overtaking them

192927376337929292283737373773

8:59 AM

The most influential non-country currently is Palestine probably.

(I mean ambiguously recognized.)

Petəíŕd the Wizard

jumps in

Simd

9:47 AM

I have an 8 by 8 binary matrix. How can I save it using just 8 bytes in python?

Themoonisacheese

Python, 86 bytes: [`a=[]
for r in m:
b=0
for c in r:
b+=c
b= b<<1
a.append(b)
`](https://ato.pxeger.com/run?1=m72soLIkIz9vwc0pXLm20dGGOgY6SDhWZ0BFYpeWlqTpWtwMS7SNjuVKyy9SKFLIzFPIteJSAIIkWwMwDRJPBokXQcTBctq2yQiOrUKSjY0hmJ-ol1hQkJqXopGkyQUxfUVBUWZeiUaiJoS7YAGEBgA)

probably exists in a golfier version but this is the way to do it

i guess you could also join each row as a string and parse the string as binary

rydwolf

10:04 AM

@mousetail'he-him' Please no

I firmly believe in trusting people based on their demonstrated maturity

Some of our best mods and community members have been well under 17

Mod has a minimum age now, but it's purely for legal reasons

rydwolf

Nobody had the fence tonight, so at 2 AM on a whim I decided to spend 3 hours painting it with "this too shall pass" and "fuck trump" lol

Themoonisacheese

att: golf together users, if there are any: due to an electrician flipping the breaker, the site will be offline for about 1 hour

RubenVerg

10:22 AM

you're very hopeful(: I don't think any of those will exist for a long time

Themoonisacheese

and we're back

chat we are so back

in other news a bus driver got shot in my city so now there will be no public transport at all for the rest of week and possibly more

mousetail 'he-him'

@192927376337929292283737373773 Please do

att

11:09 AM

terrible day for grover cleveland

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mousetail 'he-him'

11:36 AM

Does anyone here have 10K on SO and is willing to send me a screenshot of this deleted question: stackoverflow.com/questions/1332574/…

Neil

12:41 PM

@mousetail'he-him' Common programming mistakes for Scala developers to avoid [closed]

mousetail 'he-him'

I know the title

att

1:17 PM

@Themoonisacheese i keep seeing this and thinking it's for me

where is golf together anyways

mousetail 'he-him'

It's here I think: 82.66.97.238:20080

Neil

@mousetail'he-him' yeah but the title says it all really

mousetail 'he-him'

@Neil Thanks

Themoonisacheese

1:35 PM

@att sorry lol

att

no worries

Ginger

1:58 PM

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A: Nominations for new TNB Room Owners 2024

New Posts Active Times Pros Rarely causes drama Has been active in the chat room for 4 years, so presumably has a good idea of room culture Often helps in moderating of the main site by alerting us to problematic posts. Loves Butter Has the lyxal seal of approval (tm) (see below) Cons Occasi...

the what

mousetail 'he-him'

x

Ginger

oh damn they added autodocstrings to pylance

Seggan

@Ginger I'm Seggan, and I approve this message

New Posts

2:56 PM

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Q: Operators modify in place, fix my expressions

I'm using a language "MutFk" where the basic operators like "+" and "*" actually modify the left hand side of the expression, and also return the modified version. For example: > x = 5 > x+3 8 > x 8 > x * 2 - 1 15 > x - 1 14 > 1 + x 15 If the left hand side is an literal, it won't be modified. A...

mousetail 'he-him'

3:27 PM

@NewPosts Seems there is a really boring solution, ah well

Unrelated String

@mousetail'he-him' I was going to say it's not too late to ban parens, until I remembered the multiplication version doesn't need them

😔

mousetail 'he-him'

If I ban parens and add division, I think it's fixed

Unrelated String

Oooooh, true

mousetail 'he-him'

Could people please vote to close the question while I work on fixing it?

Unrelated String

On it

...You could also just delete it so we don't have to wait for more close votes to come in

(kinda surprised you can't unilaterally close it as the poster)

mousetail 'he-him'

3:37 PM

I can't delete it because it has upvoted answers

Unrelated String

Ahhhhh

mousetail 'he-him'

I think if you close it as duplicate then I can say "yes it answers my question" then it requires just two people

Unrelated String

True

It wouldn't even get to that point because I have code golf gold badge actually

I can instant dupe hammer

What target?

...also I can't retract my existing vote without forfeiting the ability to re-vote

mousetail 'he-him'

I arbirairly pick this one codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/180608/…

Unrelated String

so the NEXT person to come along can do that

ooh good pick

mousetail 'he-him'

3:39 PM

I've caused quite a mess

Unrelated String

Anyways, patching this approach to handle division could? be as simple as adding a negative lookbehind to make sure not to insert the 1* after a slash, but I feel like that itself could still be costly enough to open up some other approach

mousetail 'he-him'

yea, I'm not sure this challenge is salvagable even with the division fix

Got more attention than a week in the sandbox though

Unrelated String

😭

I really need to be more active in the Sandbox

mousetail 'he-him'

I think the sandbox just really doesn't work at all

Unrelated String

Maybe we could improvise some kind of community review queue?

Instead of just "see new posts in TNB then see ones from a week ago in TNB"

mousetail 'he-him'

3:45 PM

Maybe

There have been very few new challenges recently and I think little reviewing of the sandbox is part of the cause

I think the feedback people get, if they get any, is also often very ambiguous, especially for newcomers.

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Unrelated String

4:02 PM

@UnrelatedString ...said other approach is just change the match to [^+]+

D:

Ginger

4:29 PM

@mousetail'he-him' real

att

same

Ginger

I'm reminded of a thing I read about a few years ago, a browser plugin for white-collar workers that inserted little widgets for work tasks to complete into your facebook or twitter timeline

Unrelated String

ooooh

mousetail 'he-him'

Dystopian but justified I guess

Ginger

what if we made something like that but for CGCC: a userscript that adds sandbox posts into the new questions list with an inline "upvote" button

Unrelated String

4:31 PM

Having a sandbox widget in the chat interface would be cool

or the actual site, that works too :P

mousetail 'he-him'

Staging Ground does that already on Stack Overflow

Ginger

oh?

Unrelated String

It is kind of a pain to navigate to the Sandbox from the main site if you don't have it bookmarked or such

Ginger

let me make a mockup

mousetail 'he-him'

This is what it looks like on SO, the staging group posts show up in the question list

Staging Ground, with some significant alternations, would be so perfect for us

Unrelated String

4:33 PM

can you not

The Empty String Photographer

I can not.

mousetail 'he-him'

Regardless of politics, interrupting a serious discussion with off topic meming is just really bad maners

Ginger

like that

Unrelated String

oooh

mousetail 'he-him'

I like that

Ginger

4:38 PM

and read more opens... a dialog, maybe? that shows the entire question and has upvote/downvote/comment buttons

mousetail 'he-him'

We could also offer bounties to the top sandbox reviewers? I'd be willing to contribute but it would require a good way to measure contributions

Ginger

as it turns out, SE's UI framework is FOSS

@mousetail'he-him' pretty simple: the tool can track reviews and upvotes made through it

it would probably need to be a browser extension tbh, this is a lot of functionality to cram into a userscript

mousetail 'he-him'

Then only people who use the userscript would be eligible

Ginger

but it could be done

@mousetail'he-him' ~~incentive~~

I don't want to xy problem myself, so what's the actual issue we want to solve

mousetail 'he-him'

The main issue is lack of new challenges on this site

That is caused partially by lack of attention to sandbox posts

which is partially caused by the sandbox posts being hard to find and tedious to review

and there being no incentive to actually doing the reviewing

Will it help solve the original problem? IDK

Ginger

4:47 PM

in a perfect world, we could ask stack to let us have the staging ground

unfortunately it would seem we are not living in a perfect world

Unrelated String

That's for sure

Ginger

oh well

I'll file that idea away for later ig

I figure the extension could be primarily for tracking sandbox reviews, and have the inserting functionality as an optional feature

since that alone would work as a nice incentive

Unrelated String

yeah

192927376337929292283737373773

@mousetail'he-him' Wonder why you want to know.

mousetail 'he-him'

Research

Ginger

5:00 PM

looks like it's not possible to bounty an answer with the API

Unrelated String

damn

Ginger

I'm sort of surprised that you can flag an answer but not bounty it

nobody's asked about this on meta, I might do it

The Empty String Photographer

Why does nobody want me to be an RO?

Ginger

in short: you've consistently been obnoxious in chat and ignored people asking you to stop

do I frame it as "why can't I make bounties with the API" or "is it possible to make bounties with the API" :p

Seggan

@Ginger approved

Ginger

5:11 PM

I feel a bit bad about how brief this question is lol

calling it now: status-review purgatory

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Q: Allow bounties to be posted with the API

Currently, as far as I can tell, it is not possible to post a bounty on an answer through the SE API; indeed, that seems to be just about the only thing the API doesn't let apps do to questions. Is it possible to post bounties with the API, and if not why is that the case?

feature-request bounties api

The Empty String Photographer

Who stole my teapot?

3 mins ago, 21 seconds total – 3 messages, 2 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 2 mins ago by The Empty String Photographer

DLosc

6:05 PM

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A: Does “You all” sound too southern?

thanks for stetching my brain grandfather richard

att

yes

Unrelated String

6:44 PM

you’re welcome

att

6:56 PM

thank you

caird coinheringaahin g

7:49 PM

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A: Nominations for new TNB Room Owners 2024

New Posts Active Times Pros Rarely causes drama Has been active in the chat room for 4 years, so presumably has a good idea of room culture Often helps in moderating of the main site by alerting us to problematic posts. Loves Butter Has the lyxal seal of approval (tm) (see below) Seggan appr...

Okay, I get that people wanna do jokes, but please. I'm genuinely tempted to just delete this as not a serious nomination, cause come on. What's even the point of this?

Ginger

^

DLosc

8:39 PM

@mousetail'he-him' Pip 1.2, 2 bytes: \j

While scanning, ignored unrecognized character: '\\'
While scanning, ignored 'j' (reserved for future use)

Seggan

@cairdcoinheringaahing Joke™

DLosc

There are quite a few ways to do it in two bytes with the -w (show warnings) flag on, but none that are especially interesting.

mousetail 'he-him'

8:58 PM

7 hours ago, by mousetail 'he-him'

x

DLosc

Question is, which people and how many? Some people think it's unfunny, others think it's funny.

(I personally think it's funny as long as it doesn't go beyond the nominations post, but I don't have strong opinions on its fate one way or the other.)

mousetail 'he-him'

I guess I'll delete if the score becomes negative

The post is meant as a bit of a lighthearted jab at the lack of any eligibility criteria and the pointlessness and self-importance of the whole thing, hopefully without causing any actual disruption

Ginger

9:33 PM

...

I think there are better ways to express that sentiment than posting joke answers

and if I were you I would've expressed said sentiment on the proposal post during the window to do so

Seggan

~~in my defense, your honor, it was really funny~~

Ginger

~~that's debatable~~

mousetail 'he-him'

I'll delete if it the score becomes negative

hyper-neutrino

"You may nominate any user, including yourself" seems to imply that you can't nominate a feed which is not a user

mousetail 'he-him'

New Posts is technically a user, not a feed

Ginger

9:39 PM

it depends on your interpretation of user, but litigating that doesn't achieve much

hyper-neutrino

oh wait i forgot we made NP a bot which is therefore a user

Ginger

New Posts is a user account, and feeds are also user accounts

hyper-neutrino

@Ginger i am aware

Ginger

they're just special

mousetail 'he-him'

That's the entire basis of the joke

hyper-neutrino

9:40 PM

actually now i'm curious if feeds can be made ROs because i know feeds are sort of users but i don't actually know to what extent

Seggan

i dont see what the problem with a joke NP submission is? its not like theres a joke submission every single election, and it is funny

Ginger

let me check, hang on

well, I can't

because you need 20 reputation to talk and feeds have 0

a mod would have to do it

hyper-neutrino

@Ginger but also ^ and i do not think eligibility was really needed + wdym self-importance of the whole thing and why is it pointless? none of this is actually explained you just posted a joke and then claimed it had some deeper meaning afterwards

let me try in sandbox

Ginger

also I think Feeds (-2) is always an RO

mousetail 'he-him'

I mean I've expressed this sentiment many times before

Ginger

9:42 PM

oh huh it's not

makes sense I guess

hyper-neutrino

ok yeah if you enter a negative ID into the field and click "make owner" it just reloads the page and doesn't actually do anything. which is about what i expected

Ginger

we'll never really know how chat represents feeds internally, but to the frontend they're normal users with zero reputation and no activity

hyper-neutrino

fair enough i suppose

idk as a joke i found it like, somewhat funny tbh (just my own opinion though) i just don't see how it really expresses anything, it's just a (highly) disputably funny joke

Ginger

although Feeds (-2) is a little more special in that a lot of moderation actions get attributed to it

mousetail 'he-him'

It's part of my 15 year plan to take down the patriarchy of TNB

Ginger

9:45 PM

most events that affect a room include a field for the user that triggered the event, and that user is Feeds for events like a user's avatar changing

mousetail 'he-him'

The plan consists entirely of waiting till they get bored and go do something else

Ginger

(the only room-scoped event that doesn't include this information is the MessageStarred event; see also)

most other events include it, even if it's not shown in the UI

for example, the event for being suspended includes the user ID and name of the mod that suspended you

hyper-neutrino

@mousetail'he-him' fair enough

Ginger

I'm somewhat curious why Feeds is -2 and not -1

lyxal

Apr 30, 2022 at 2:44, by Radvylf Programs

Actually, y'know what, NP/SP for RO. That's my vote :p

There's precedent for NP running :p

mousetail 'he-him'

9:51 PM

-1 is community right?

Ginger

wait you're actually right

SO/MSE chat users have the ID of their parent account

so of course Feeds is -2, because -1... is Community

mousetail 'he-him'

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/258754/…

See if they respond

Ginger

apparently it has one message:

in Sandbox on Stack Overflow Chat, May 27, 2014 at 13:23, by Community

don't know what you mean; only us humans here.... cough...

wonder how they did that

mousetail 'he-him'

I love that

Hacking the system from inside and probably bypassing/disabling a multitude of security checks just for a silly joke

Ginger

either mods have the ability to send messages as another user or a chat dev decided to shitpost

mousetail 'he-him'

9:55 PM

I think it's a chat dev because if it was mods it would have been done more often

Ginger

fair enough

well, that answers that question

Community doesn't have an account on SE chat, probably because it doesn't have a network account (I think)

oh no it does actually

just no chat account

hey @lyxal I'm curious, can you superping community

lyxal

Uhm ackshully it's called the Community Compiler

@@langdev.stackexchange.com/users/-1/community-compiler

Ginger

ok

well ig that answers that

lyxal

No user found

Ginger

chat's smart enough to disallow that

I was curious if it would create a chat profile for community

lyxal

10:01 PM

I'll try with a community account that hasn't been messed up :p

Ginger

interestingly, SO chat's community account is a fair bit newer than the site itself

lyxal

Still no user found

Ginger

and MSE's community is newer than SO's one...

weird

and it has 1 rep, but feeds has 0

it is a mystery, I suppose

@lyxal can you change the bio of our feeds? :p

feeds is sort of a user according to chat's backend, since it has a message count and "frequently in rooms" list

lyxal

@Ginger that's a silly question of course I can :p

chat.stackexchange.com/users/-1162/hello-world#

Ginger

amazing

lyxal

10:08 PM

I can...also suspend it

Ginger

.......fascinating

lyxal

A feeds account

Ginger

the feeds account?

lyxal

No any feeds account

Ginger

and you can suspend them

lyxal

10:09 PM

That hello worlds feed

There's a suspend button

Ginger

gotta wonder what suspending feeds itself would do

you're standing in front of a big red button that will destroy the world. do you press it

lyxal

Do you have any links to a message from actual feeds handy?

Seggan

@Ginger only one way to find out

Ginger

in Discussion between Obie 2.0 and sfxedit, 2 mins ago, by Feeds

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A: Who did most Arab Americans vote for in 2024?

One place that has been synonymous with this voting constituency would be Dearborn, MI with about 55% of the city being Arab. Trump won the city In Dearborn, where 55% of the residents are of Middle Eastern descent, Trump won with 42.48% of the vote over Vice President Kamala Harris, who receive...

it would be funny if this breaks chat

lyxal

Well, here goes nothing

It did nothing

Ginger

10:11 PM

LMAO

anticlimactic

but unsurprising given that you can't make feeds ROs either

does it let you change its parent site?

lyxal

No

Ginger

damn

~~what if you try to make the request anyway~~

lyxal

I don't think it has one to begin with :p

Ginger

it doesn't, I already know that

but what if you tried anyway

lyxal

I'd need to be at a computer

Not in mobile

Ginger

10:13 PM

ough

lyxal

10:51 PM

They really named it sigma healthcare

For all your rizz prescription needs

"sorry sir, we can only give you skibidiazapan if you have a valid cringe syndrome diagnosis from a rizzler"

DLosc

11:47 PM

@rydwolf Just a couple things I'd tweak: 1) The use of "s****ier" in the first sentence of each of the first two paragraphs feels repetitious; maybe use a synonym ("worse"?) or restructure one of the sentences. 2) "MIT is a close tie for second" sounds like some other school is tied with MIT for second, which I think isn't what you mean.

lyxal

11:59 PM

it's amusing to see people still making username changing a part of their RO nomination posts

that was a concern back in 2021 because it was a temporary trend to make username jokes

Who stole my teapot?

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