The Nineteenth Byte

Unrelated String

12:03 AM

wow.

Is typeadd... an automatically defined type inhabited solely by a (possibly-0-size) representation of add as a type?

ATaco

Correct on all counts.

Unrelated String

If that's a hack to make it look like you have an overloaded function if you already support overloaded metamethods, the jank doesn't seem too extreme

Like it's still a hack for sure but a relatively sensible one

ATaco

Metamethods are easy to overload, because they don't change at runtime. Functions however, may.

I can make it work by implementing a tuple type, but it's going to be an uphill battle

Unrelated String

Ahhhhh

lyxal

12:22 AM

Does Brainchild compile to brainfuck?

emanresu A

used to iirc

Unrelated String

Ahh, that explains the name and the idiosyncratic assembly representation

ATaco

It used to, and theoretically could be resurrected to do so

But roughly at the point I wanted 32 bit ints instead of 16 bit ints I threw in the towel and burned the connectivity

Unrelated String

😔

emanresu A

@emanresuA for anyone wondering what happened to this: all our "golflang creation myths" are kinda based on the idea that golfing languages emerged from the void fully formed, a platonic ideal of a golfing language, when in reality they took years of feedback and iteration to become what they are today - and it's kinda difficult to frame a history around this, especially when you're also trying to highlight that there were plenty of langs which were abandoned partway through this

also I may end up having to split this into two separate blog posts if I'm not careful

Unrelated String

12:28 AM

Not a horrible outcome, all things considered :P

You could also split some content you feel is not-super-necessary-but-not-worth-cutting into that second blog post if it's length you're worried about

lyxal

@ATaco it must be nice not needing extra dummy types to achieve a 1/2 arg split :p

because the vyxal 3 way is:

record Nil => }
extension AddFunny given
  lhs as Nil,
  rhs as num
does
  $rhs 2 +
}
extension AddFunny given
  lhs as num,
  rhs as num
does
  $lhs $rhs +
}

5 `Nil` $@AddFunny print
5 7 $@AddFunny print

Vyxal It Online!

Unrelated String

I read that as one-half arg split for a second or two

also I feel like there is a qualitative difference between a function taking a flexible number of arguments and one being type overloaded on a fixed number of arguments where some of those arguments can be a unit type :P

granted that is presumably the closest you can get with a stack language

lyxal

that's what I was aiming for :p

obviously, without taking an explicit parameter list, you can't have something pop and utilise num and num, num at the same time

Unrelated String

Now I am trying to imagine what kind of system would actually be able to support a function literally taking half an argument

emanresu A

@UnrelatedString There's currently a section on hypothetical fourth-generation languages, and (semi-)recent ideas that could potentially be (/ have already shown themselves to be) quite powerful, might end up splitting that

Unrelated String

12:37 AM

Ooh

Yeah good call

@lyxal ...come to think of it, a greedy/ambiguous approach could be possible where it pops two arguments and does the binary overload if they're both nums but pushes the bottom argument back and does the unary overload if only the top is a num

noodle person

I'm very interested in the history of golfing languages

Unrelated String

Very stupid because it would in practice presumably be waaaay more pain than it's worth to actually use

lyxal

@UnrelatedString what if I have two numbers on the top of the stack and want to call the unary version?

Unrelated String

but possible

17 secs ago, by Unrelated String

Very stupid because it would in practice presumably be waaaay more pain than it's worth to actually use

noodle person

I tried writing something about it at some point, though it was more from a perspective of having some value in "purity" which is something I don't think I was right about at the time

lyxal

12:40 AM

@UnrelatedString sounds like unit types with extra steps :p

Unrelated String

presumably the workaround would be something like tucking a dummy value under the top and then getting rid of it afterwards, so yeah, you would probably use a unit type with literal extra steps

emanresu A

@emanresuA e.g. compression (vyncode, jcram), static typing (catstruct/newspeak although those never got beyond prototyping, more recently iogii to a degree (I need to look more into iogii, there's some ideas there that looked quite interesting from a first glance but I should probably try and understand how they actually work)), nondet stuff e.g. nekomata, fracbytes, etc

lyxal

@UnrelatedString besides, it's already implemented like that

Vyxal It Online!

without the popping two things part

extension AddFunny given
  rhs as num
does
  $rhs 2 +
}
extension AddFunny given
  lhs as num,
  rhs as num
does
  $lhs $rhs +
}

"rizz" 5  $@AddFunny print

calls the first option

...only calls the first option

somehow, it defaults to only using the unary version if there's a conflict

emanresu A

It'd be nice if extension{ / record{ were aliases, the unbalanced brackets annoy me

lyxal

you can use end instead of }

emanresu A

12:43 AM

Ah :p

lyxal

as well as any of:

"endfor",
"end-for",
"endwhile",
"end-while",
"endlambda",
"end-lambda",

extension AddFunny given
  rhs as num
does
  $rhs 2 +
end-lambda

is perfectly valid and does the same thing

ATaco

That looks like the sort of sugar I added to my first version of RProgN

Bubbler

so 2 is funny, TIL

Unrelated String

@emanresuA FWIW Nekomata isn't the first nondet golfing language, it's just the first to combine nondeterminism with other aspects of modern golflang design--Brachylog is occasionally competitive despite design goals explicitly prioritizing aesthetics and Prolog-like structure over raw golfiness, and Perhaps was going to be modernized-Jelly-plus-nondeterminism but I never actually got around to implementing the nondeterminism or SBCS syntax :P

lyxal

@ATaco in fact:

extension AddFunny no?
  rhs as num
else:
  $rhs 2 +
endfor

7 $@AddFunny

is also valid

ATaco

12:47 AM

That is funny

lyxal

because there's 22 different branch aliases

all of which are interchangable :p

(they all get turned into | at the end of the day)

Unrelated String

Also Husk is statically typed--in fact IIRC its big core feature is being able to change how it parses based on static type inference

emanresu A

@UnrelatedString I'm aware of that, yeah, and I'm definitely going to mention brachylog (and if you want to talk about your plans for Perhaps lmk) but Nekomata's model seems extremely powerful, especially for brute-force things where you get, sort of, implicit maps / cartesian products over all possible values

Unrelated String

:D

emanresu A

once again, need to look more into that

Unrelated String

12:51 AM

And yeah Nekomata's super good at it

Its model is IIRC exactly the same as Brachylog and Perhaps's models, minus the constraint logic Brachylog has, but the constructs for manipulating it are very elegant

The one stupid thing I was going to innovate with Perhaps that I also kinda got hung up on planning for when I stopped making progress was some kind of tagging for infinite lists that would turn that implicit Cartesian product into traversing a table of pairs by antidiagonals, which would save some effort for some thing where in Brachylog you'd do something like minimize the sum of two variables or whatever, but I forget how Nekomata handles that kind of thing--probably just individual builtins

emanresu A

also the more I look into this the more I feel like Vyxal 2 is the PHP of golfing languages - a kitchen sink of builtins which sometimes are very useful and sometimes are very not, and a lot of lingering jank. It'll be interesting to see how v3 goes, but at the time it was getting started I don't think I understood quite how necessary (mostly) starting from scratch was

noodle person

1:13 AM

True

Basically I think we need more golfing languages with different ideas being thrown out

I have a golfing language which I have been quietly designing (though not yet implementing) for about a year, though I don't think it'll be more competitive than say Jelly

ATaco

1:31 AM

The amount of times I've typed meatmethod instead of metamethod

lyxal

It's harder than it looks :p

Because of the time dedication required to see the project through

noodle person

I have realized that :P

ATaco

Y'all want to use languages instead of infinitely tweaking them?

emanresu A

@lyxal More like:

lyxal

Design can also be hard sometimes once you've gotten past the reality of initial ideas :p

ATaco

1:39 AM

The Implementation IS the design~

lyxal

1:59 AM

@lyxal one might say a full commitment's what you should be thinking of (something you don't get from many other golfers). If you don't spend time on your golf language, then there's something you should understand: you're never gonna push it up, people are never gonna golf it down, people are never gonna run programs in your language

ATaco

Oh mein gott, an old bug has come back to haunt me

Defining a function inside a function changes the expected return stack

Dannyu NDos

2:17 AM

What is the general term for multidimensional arrays like T, T[2], T[2][2], T[2][2][2], and so on?

If there is none, I'd like to call them "binary hypercubes".

Sandbox Posts

2:49 AM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Multiplication in \$\mathbb{Z}[(-1)^{1/2}, (-1)^{1/4}, (-1)^{1/8}, \cdots]\$ Objective Given two (complex) numbers in the adjoint ring \$\mathbb{Z}[(-1)^{1/2}, (-1)^{1/4}, (-1)^{1/8}, \cdots]\$, multiply them and output the result. I/O format The inputted numbers and the outputted number shall be...

Dannyu NDos

Nvm; I guess binary trees are better.

emanresu A

7:56 AM

Today on your weekly "make fun of philosophy stack exchange":

1

Q: Chat Considered Harmful

Could we just not use the Chat feature? If things get that out of hand then TILT - Game Over - put in a new quarter and start again. I don't see a point in embalming bad discussions in little boxes that most likely won't get looked at, except by people trying to scrape personally identifiable inf...

feature-request

Themoonisacheese

9:18 AM

TIL that a post's edit history tells you when it became a HNQ

emanresu A

If you go into the timeline (little clock button) there's a bunch more events

The Empty String Photographer

10:11 AM

Hello

mousetail 'he-him'

Why did I have 3 different nineteenth byte tabs open? Isn't one enough?

The Empty String Photographer

There are 10 types of people in the world:
• Those who understand binary
• Those who don’t
• Those who thought this was going to be another ternary joke
• And those who truly knew this joke would be in quaternary.

mousetail 'he-him'

CMC Extend this joke forever

Themoonisacheese

* those who know that base 10 is base 10 in every base

* those who don't know 😊
* those who know 💀

mousetail 'he-him'

Unary...

Themoonisacheese

10:20 AM

foiled again!

@mousetail'he-him' you should really pay your tabs, or the barman won't serve you anymore

lyxal

10:34 AM

@mousetail'he-him' I accidentally do that sometimes

I'll have TNB open in one tab, forget it's there, be in another room, and think "I should check in TNB" and open it again

The Empty String Photographer

There is 10 type of person in the world:
• Those who know that unary doesn’t work in this joke.

Another variation:

There are 10 types of people in the world:
• Those who understand unary
• And there are no other types.

Themoonisacheese

doesn't really work with 10 does it

maybe with 11?

The Empty String Photographer

There are 10 types of people in the world:
• Those who understand this joke is in base f_omega(99^99)
• And the rest are different ways people do not understand this.

___

There are 20 types of people in the world:
• Those who don’t understand why this joke is in base 1/2.

mousetail 'he-him'

That doesn't make sense, it would be 0.1 people in base 1/2

Themoonisacheese

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer that is approximately f_omega(99^99) more types than there exist or have ever existed people at all

... is APL 1-indexed?

mousetail 'he-him'

10:50 AM

Yes it seems to be

Are you doing the APL challenge?

Themoonisacheese

yeah

the challenge is nicely done at elast, not sure i enjoy the language yet

mousetail 'he-him'

With the builtins available in the challenge at least, a lot of trivial things seem very tedious

Themoonisacheese

for challenge #6, is there a way i'm supposed to duplicate the string i'm testing or is the solution really to just use 2 identical string literals like 'APL'≡⌽'APL' ?

this solution is accepted but it feels wrong

mousetail 'he-him'

I duplicated the string too

You could do {omega = reverse omega} 'APL' I guess

Themoonisacheese

11:06 AM

ah, it passes 'APL' as an argument

i can't edit my submission though 🤷‍♀️

noodle person

1

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

If this question were a question on this site, should it be tagged restricted-source or code-challenge, or something else? https://puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/129034/an-extremely-simple-programming-language/129041#129041 Assume we have added objective constraints and scoring function so ...

Would this be a duplicate of the bignum bakeoff reboot? Or maybe largest number printable?

It's specifically asking for solutions in a specific very limited esolang, though I believe the language is Turing-complete.

The language is similar to brainfuck but with named variables rather than a tape.

@mousetail'he-him' "Identical to", but yeah :P It's like JS having == and ===, APL has = which applies to scalars and ≡ which applies to the whole array.

mousetail 'he-him'

@noodleperson I think so yea, we don't need another busy beaver challenge

noodle person

I think I agree yeah

Left another comment

mousetail 'he-him'

11:23 AM

I wonder how the APL challenge code judges the fixed output challenges. Does it check if certain substrings appear in the code? The output is just 1 so can't really tell much from that

noodle person

I think it parses the code and makes sure it only uses identical to and reverse.

or whichever functions are permitted for that challenge. It does say "You did not solve it with the intended method" if you don't

mousetail 'he-him'

That just checks if you don't use disallowed builtins, not if you actually solve the challenge

RubenVerg

whatever they're doing is quite thorough

it doesn't accept any other string than APL

and it doesn't accept manually reversing it

noodle person

True

Maybe they're checking Solution≡'\'APL\'≡⌽\'APL\'' :p

Actually can you backslash-escape single quotes in APL?

mousetail 'he-him'

11:43 AM

I think you need to double '' to escape a '

noodle person

double quoted strings don't exist in Dyalog

Oh nvm I know what you're saying

RubenVerg

golf together (which is temporarily here) now has an attempt at a leaderboard

i still want to add bonus points for not being improved for some amount of time and probably needs balancing

but the system is there

mousetail 'he-him'

Nice

RubenVerg

the algorithm for now is 5 points for initial solution; as many points as imrpovement bits for each improvement; 10 points for each solution in an approach you submitted

mousetail 'he-him'

The hirarchy of grouping by approaches, then languages, is a bit problematic for approaches that differ only in the same language

RubenVerg

11:58 AM

wdym?

mousetail 'he-him'

For example, you could have one solution using some standard library module and another doing it raw. But in another language the distinction doesn't make sense

lyxal

@RubenVerg I feel like there's a fundamental problem with awarding points for byte improvements, namely NOP padding

submit a very long answer with a lot of newlines, etc, and then submit an improvement straight away

and before you say "no points for self-improvements", sock accounts

mousetail 'he-him'

Or just cooperation between different people

@RubenVerg I guess it depends how you define "approach"

RubenVerg

@mousetail'he-him' not sure i understand

if one language does not have the thing in the standard library you just don't submit a solution for that approach in that language

@lyxal i know

bu tbf everything is built on trust anyways

there's no checking stuff works either

and there can't be

lyxal

I imagine you'll have ways to invalidate improvements?

(for the community to do so I mean)

RubenVerg

12:09 PM

yeah

haven't thought of a nice way though

probably voting or a bad actor can delete an improvement then do it themselves and get the improvement points

mousetail 'he-him'

Be prepared to spend a lot of time moderating

RubenVerg

I'm prepared to not have many users(:

mousetail 'he-him'

That works

RubenVerg

I also probably want some bonus points for creating the approach with the shortest solution

mousetail 'he-him'

Sometimes just a few users can cause a lot of drama though

RubenVerg

12:15 PM

yeah, I know

mousetail 'he-him'

There will be cases where some users view some solutions as invalid, chating, boring, whatever, and another group thinks they are smart and invotive. And you won't be able to make any decission without angering at least some people

Themoonisacheese

12:42 PM

@RubenVerg response time on monitoring says it's 3000ms, it doesn't even load in firefox it just times out

maybe you're swapping a lot and need more ram?

RubenVerg

it worked fine for me before, with slightly slow speed I just attributed to Deno

mousetail 'he-him'

I'm getting Internal Server Error now

Themoonisacheese

RubenVerg

it loads instantly for me now

Themoonisacheese

it makes sense for the response time to increase when you add an app obviously but this suggests I didn't size the machine correctly

mousetail 'he-him'

12:44 PM

Home page is fast but none of the hole pages load

RubenVerg

guess I pushed something I shouldn't have

I'll check in a bit

Themoonisacheese

i'll take a tour around the VM when i get home but i think you're gonna need more ram which i'm not sure i have

mousetail 'he-him'

Suggestion: Add an option to optionally add TIO or ATO links to solutions. It's easier to improve a solution if everybody doesn't need to write their own test harness

Themoonisacheese

+1

mousetail 'he-him'

Have you tried downloading more ram?

Themoonisacheese

12:48 PM

yes, unfortunately i need more dedidaded wam

RubenVerg

@mousetail'he-him' fixed

@Themoonisacheese how much do I have currently?

I really wouldn't expect to need much but haven't ever checked

mousetail 'he-him'

What DB are you using?

RubenVerg

postgres but hosted on supabase

mousetail 'he-him'

On a seperate server from the code?

RubenVerg

the only thing running in the VM is the server itself

Themoonisacheese

12:51 PM

@RubenVerg 2Gb

i think

RubenVerg

that sounds like way more than enough

Themoonisacheese

don't forget you're also running an OS

mousetail 'he-him'

Ok that would explain the slowness, though at least it will be an easy enough issue to fix when you need to and doesn't indicate anything wrong with your code

RubenVerg

using 400M I think

which is a lot

Themoonisacheese

@RubenVerg can you do free -h and post the output?

RubenVerg

1:10 PM

madeline@celeste:~$ free -h
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           1.9Gi       784Mi       959Mi       1.0Mi       370Mi       1.2Gi
Swap:          974Mi          0B       974Mi

Themoonisacheese

oh

you're fine

i think it's not loading for me because corporate firewall

(IP:port adress on http only is very rarely not a scam tbf)

i suspect the latency has more to do with db access across continents

RubenVerg

yeah the pi doesn't connect to wifi anymore so I can't rout through there

Themoonisacheese

(i do already host a postgres instance o nthat network if you want)

RubenVerg

I'm hosting it not locally so I don't have to migrate anything when pushing to real server

Themoonisacheese

fair enough

mousetail 'he-him'

1:14 PM

Migrating with pgdump is quite doable

Themoonisacheese

it's also a chore

mousetail 'he-him'

That's true

Themoonisacheese

given this is supposed to be a temporary situation i completley undestand not wanting to do that

mousetail 'he-him'

Spending an hour migrating the database now will save like 1 second of loading time over the lifetime of the site

Themoonisacheese

this is not quite true as simply loading the homepage is already 3000ms but yeah

RubenVerg

1:18 PM

i don't remember it taking that much for me

Themoonisacheese

it's taking that much for the monitoring software

you probably have it in cache

mousetail 'he-him'

2.5-3.5 seconds seems typical for me

RubenVerg

I guess doing one query per leaderboard user to get the username when I already queried it before and trashed it doesn't help

don't mind hosting the database locally if somebody suggests a good migration guide though

I guess I also don't mind losing data since it's nowhere near full release

mousetail 'he-him'

Download locally a postgres client. Run PG_DUMP to get a file, then do PG_RESTORE to push it to the other database

It's gets a lot more complex with compression and such for big databases but the basic version should work for you

Themoonisacheese

(and then don't forget to switch database hosts in code)

i've seen it happen multiple times

RubenVerg

1:22 PM

@mousetail'he-him' sounds simple enough

Themoonisacheese

tbh the hard part is that when you are hosting a complex app, you have to ensure everything either changes to the new host gracefully or is stopped during the migration

mousetail 'he-him'

You probably want to take the site offline for a bit during the process, otherwise you'll end up with partial data in both databases

Themoonisacheese

^

RubenVerg

I kinda wanted to keep the VM around as a backup

I suppose I can make it connect to my server's postgres?

(when I get that of course)

Themoonisacheese

we could even set replication up so that you have 2 synced databases

mousetail 'he-him'

1:24 PM

Depends how you configure the firewall

Themoonisacheese

that's a bit more involved though

The Empty String Photographer

Peano arithmetic vs Piano arithmetic

Themoonisacheese

i'm thouroughly confused by challenge #10 for the APL thingo

mousetail 'he-him'

Often you block external access to the database in the firewall, just to reduce attack surface. You are in full control of that though

Themoonisacheese

i don't even know if i could do it in a language i know tbh

mousetail 'he-him'

1:25 PM

I needed a night to sleep over #10 before I got it

RubenVerg

@Themoonisacheese think of the things you learned before and how to combine them

I really cannot think of a solution that doesn't also use addition but I'm told that it exists

(on the other hand, you probably don't need a challenge to know how addition works)

Themoonisacheese

i genuinely don't even know where to begin when doing it in a language i know for sure

so maybe i'm just not good enough

RubenVerg

it would be probably completely different in a non array-y language

Themoonisacheese

fair enough

mousetail 'he-him'

Hint: rot13(rvtug)

Themoonisacheese

1:30 PM

i guess that does make sense, but then again maybe i solved 8 the wrong way

RubenVerg

doesn't really matter which way you solved it, just its result

Themoonisacheese

oooooooh

The Empty String Photographer

What if I made a math language that have recursive functions, BUT they are guaranteed to terminate

mousetail 'he-him'

How will you guarentee it?

Themoonisacheese

solve the halting problem easy

The Empty String Photographer

1:36 PM

1. There will be a secret recursion counter
2. You cannot call any function that is defined after the function you defined
3. You cannot define functions inside functions

lyxal

the fact y'all are suggesting that spoiler makes me think I solved spoiler a tiny bit differently to most people :p

RubenVerg

again, how you solved it doesn't matter at all

mousetail 'he-him'

While you are here can you please remove The Empty String photographers message please?

RubenVerg

how do i make spoilers?

mousetail 'he-him'

The one that reveals the spoiler

RubenVerg

1:37 PM

(i get they're links, not how i set the hover text)

lyxal

→ 3 messages moved to Trashcan

@RubenVerg [display text](link "spoiler text")

Now see, I already moved the other two :p

The Empty String Photographer

@lyxal how do you make private rooms that can’t be read by most people?

lyxal

there's a checkbox for it

Themoonisacheese

spoiler

cool spoiler

lyxal

...

you need to actually replace the other parts :p

RubenVerg

1:39 PM

oh, that's how you do it without addition

interesting

mousetail 'he-him'

That's not how I solved it

Themoonisacheese

also "simply" is, it turns out, not that simple

mousetail 'he-him'

I rot13(V bireynlrq n erirefrq irefvba)

The Empty String Photographer

@lyxal for making it so that people cannot read messages there?

lyxal

I used spoiler

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer yep

well, it's technically a radio button

The Empty String Photographer

1:40 PM

@lyxal I don’t see it anywhere

is it mod-only?

lyxal

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer funny that, isn't it :p

Themoonisacheese

@mousetail'he-him' i don't think that's attainable without prior knowledge though

lyxal

mousetail 'he-him'

Are non mods able to use that feature?

The Empty String Photographer

:ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp(p)

Themoonisacheese

1:41 PM

i think you just need to be RO no?

lyxal

@mousetail'he-him' tbh I don't know

mousetail 'he-him'

Anyone can be an RO

Themoonisacheese

because you can create private chat rooms with users, in which you're RO

this is what the "let's continue this discution in chat!" thingo does

lyxal

in the sense that it 100% doesn't display for non-mods, but I've never tested adding it as an API parameter

@Themoonisacheese those are public

mousetail 'he-him'

Those rooms are not private though

Themoonisacheese

1:43 PM

fair enough

mousetail 'he-him'

I can create a "Gallery" room but not a private room

The Empty String Photographer

I technically own the most “active” room on Chat.SE

Utility Bot

Where Utility Bot sends stuff

1

lyxal

feel like there may be some more active rooms than that on chat.se :p

The Empty String Photographer

Bruh

Themoonisacheese

SE admins when 45 Gb of their chat logs are entirely comprised of "bot is online" messages

mousetail 'he-him'

1:45 PM

It should gzip well at least

7

The Empty String Photographer

Look at all the stars on the wall!

In this room ofc

lyxal

Anyhow, my approach to spoiler is vastly different to my problem 10 answer, and tbh the result of spoiler doesn't really go to informing my p10 answer either :p

Themoonisacheese

i've given up, i now know how i should do it but it would take too much brainpower that i have already expanded on solving 1-9

lyxal

APL takes a while to get used to

even after 5 years of doing APL challenge related stuff mine is still really ugly

but it's the approach that counts, not the actual APL

Themoonisacheese

@rydwolf stars have aligned and i have heard about gasp research drama with CMU researchers

if you want material for your satirical student paper about the research replication crisis that's a few years old but still unresolved, hmu

lyxal

1:52 PM

@lyxal fr I just remembered I used spoiler in part 10

mousetail 'he-him'

with only the covered builtins? How?

lyxal

well, it's not covered in the first 9 :p

but technically speaking the part in question could be rewritten with covered stuff

making it even worse

mousetail 'he-him'

My 10 is just rot13(guerr fvk naq rvtug va gung beqre)

lyxal

...I may have overthought things

Themoonisacheese

my #8 is 26 chars

which feels a lot like overthinking

lyxal

1:56 PM

hey you beat me by 1 character :p

Themoonisacheese

(can shave like 2 chars but not much more)

lyxal

well done :p

mousetail 'he-him'

My #8 is 23

lyxal

are we counting {}s?

mousetail 'he-him'

It uses - though

I am

lyxal

1:57 PM

I was too

The Empty String Photographer

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Guess the xkcd comic

zoomlogo

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer correct horse battery staple

lyxal

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer you voted for a zebra made out of compressed batteries?

The Empty String Photographer

@lyxal That’s not even an xkcd comic!

Themoonisacheese

actually if i strip unneccessary whitespace i get 19 bytes

zoomlogo

1:58 PM

@lyxal compressed batteries are dangerous

mousetail 'he-him'

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer How marvelous, my noble steed changes into the garbage collector

The Empty String Photographer

@mousetail'he-him' Sadly incorrect

lyxal

@Themoonisacheese see, you're not so bad at APL :p

Themoonisacheese

make that 15

i needed the confidencce boost

Ginger

:/

lyxal

2:02 PM

→ 19 messages moved to Trash

mfw I forget the bakery exists

mousetail 'he-him'

I'm counting the seconds till TESP grows up

The Empty String Photographer

drinks grow-up juice

I am now mature.

Unrelated String

@mousetail'he-him' Good luck

lyxal

→ 5 messages moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

Ginger

@lyxal do me a favor and check discord

mousetail 'he-him'

2:05 PM

I as like that as an early teen, though I wasn't allowed in any online chats unsupervised

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I feel like I was kinda like that to some extent but then as soon as anyone got mad I just collapsed instead of doubling down

mousetail 'he-him'

I did a lot of shitposting in the Scratch forms

Unrelated String

ahaha that brings me back

mousetail 'he-him'

I got irrationally angry once at people claiming Runescape wat better than Club Penguin

The Empty String Photographer

Hopefully nobody here has dan braimage.

Unrelated String

2:12 PM

@lyxal wait how

spoiler

mousetail 'he-him'

"Base conversion" == a^2*b?

We should get a private room for those who already solved the challenge so we can actually share our sols

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@mousetail'he-him' spoiler

Ginger

btw yall make sure you have the latest version of the pronouns userscript (1.7), tampermonkey is Not Good at auto-updating it

mousetail 'he-him'

Oh that's not a spoiler tag

Ginger

lol

Unrelated String

2:22 PM

LMAO

Themoonisacheese

@Ginger mine updated fine

Ginger

wacky

guess tampermonkey doesn't like me

Themoonisacheese

this computer hadn't been turned on for a week though

so maybe it just force checked my extensions

rydwolf

4:30 PM

I love CMU

Unrelated String

LMAOOOO

rydwolf

Have y'all heard of the fence?

Unrelated String

Yep

Hard not to have

...actually no I think I only heard of it when I was actually researching for my application to CMU

rydwolf

Wow really? I didn't know it was known about outside CMU

Unrelated String

but it's still pretty legendary

@rydwolf They kind of advertise it on their website IIRC :P

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