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00:00
i never know what fonts are good for typesetting
Neither do I
We had a doc for font choices but at some point our typesetter started using some new ones and forgot to write them down, so when we emerged from hibernation there was actually a little panic over "oh shit wait what fonts are we actually using again"
(was mostly resolved by just looking at old psds :P)
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clearly comic sans is the way
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00:16
it has comic in the name
what more do you need
I think our main font is still CCSamaritan, with Aquillia and Zud Juice as the main effect fonts for dialogue, but I have absolutely no idea about SFX--used to lean a lot on augie and Trash Hand but don't think I've seen those much lately
Oh yeah that reminds me it is so weird just seeing Trash Hand in the wild
Actually wait no looking at it really closely the thing I thought was Trash Hand in the wild has a fair number of differences
But it was still weird thinking I recognized it :P
Hey, does anyone have a few Qdeql programs I can use to test my interpreter?
but I need tests for it
00:46
I found a cat program and it segfaulted so I'm off to a good start
01:17
I read this as 'I found a cat and it segfaulted'
That's just the daily routine of ginger
makes sense
I think I fixed it
02:00
@lyxal true
02:19
why is ↉ a unicode character?
why do I need 0 thirds?
@lyxal did you see that on the Trilangle esolangs page :P
no, I actually found it in unicode because I'm doing my own sbcs searching :p
it is a weird case though
> This symbol is sometimes used in baseball scoring. A pitcher's innings pitched statistic is expressed as a number of innings, followed by the number of outs. Each out counts as one-third of an inning. This fraction symbol, ↉, is occasionally used to indicate that a pitcher has a round number of innings.
ah
baseball
⅟ is also goofy
02:24
well that kinda makes sense because it shows it's 1 over something
@Bbrk24 what is even the meaning of that
"numerator one"
cool
Why would I also want ⧜?
incomplete infinity as a unicode char?
wat
02:27
it reminds me of my favourite unicode character though
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what
 
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06:52
Why do we call the ISA x86-64, rather than AMD64?
 
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08:28
@Seggan given just what you said, wouldn’t it be proof by contradiction?
 
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11:43
@mousetail They still observe GMT+1 sometimes.
@TheEmptyStringPhotographer that just feels like a borderline excuse honestly.
Not Iceland
Iceland observed GMT+1.
When?
No not Iceland.
I never said Iceland.
I meant Ireland.
Look back at the post.
> Well at the minimum, the UK, Ireland, Portugual.
The post said "GMT+1
maybe +2 with DST"
Only central europe fits that description
11:50
Also,
That red portion observes GMT+1 or 2.
Half of Europe.
You said "literally all of Europe"
Well it is literally all of Europe.
At least according to my definition
Only the red is GMT+1 or +2 which is about half of europe
(This still excludes DST by the way, so if we included DST it would definitely be more, to all of Europe-levels.)
@mousetail Well.
Eastern Europe is really small.
If you included DST you would have only Portugal, Ireland, and UK right now
An even smaller part of Europe
11:54
Literally all of Western and Central Europe has it.
@mousetail false.
Btw I don't really get why Spain chose GMT+1 , they are right in the center of +0
CEST (Central European Summer Time),
is GMT+2.
@mousetail well standarization I guess
Yes, but we are talking about +1
Uhh no.
Didn't we just decide we also include +2?
In that case it's just the red area
11:56
Which is still almost all of Europe.
I can prove it.
Define "almost all"
One minute.
I have to do some maths.
@mousetail More than 50% of Europe's land area.
That's going to heavily depend where inside Russia you draw Europe's border
We can do it tectonically.
We can also do it by the Ural Mountains.
We can also just use what Wikipedia does.
If that's fine.
Sure
Urals run further north than I knew
12:01
Wikipedia says it's 3.9 million km.
Okay at 2 million km.
By now.
Are you sure? It says 10,180,000 square km for me
That is still only France, Germany, and the Nordic btw.
@mousetail no
That's it just suppting the entire size of Europe.
Europe is a continent located entirely in the Northern Hemisphere and mostly in the Eastern Hemisphere. It is bordered by the Arctic Ocean to the north, the Atlantic Ocean to the west, the Mediterranean Sea to the south, and Asia to the east. Europe shares the landmass of Eurasia with Asia, and of Afro-Eurasia with both Asia and Africa. Europe is commonly considered to be separated from Asia by the watershed of the Ural Mountains, the Ural River, the Caspian Sea, the Greater Caucasus, the Black Sea, and the waterway of the Bosporus Strait. Europe covers about 10.18 million km2 (3.93 million sq...
I thought we where gonna go with what Wikipedia said for area of europe?
12:04
No.
Right.
It is 3.9 million km for European Russia.
@mousetail yes.
I have proof.
European Russia is the western and most populated part of the Russian Federation. It is geographically situated in Europe, as opposed to the country's sparsely populated and vastly larger eastern part, Siberia, which is situated in Asia, encompassing the entire northern region of the continent. The two parts of Russia are divided by the Ural Mountains and Ural river, bisecting the Eurasian supercontinent. European Russia covers the vast majority of Eastern Europe, and spans roughly 40% of Europe's total landmass, with over 15% of its total population, making Russia the largest and most populous...
It's still Europe right?
What do you mean?
This is proving harder than I thought.
Okay.
12:20
Question: Are we including Greenland?
As part of Europe?
Done.
The areas seem to come out to this:
[('Albania', 28748), ('Andorra', 468), ('Austria', 83871), ('Belgium', 30528), ('Bosnia and Herzegovina', 51209), ('Switzerland', 41284), ('Germany', 357114), ('Denmark', 43094), ('Spain', 505992), ('France', 551695), ('Gibraltar', 6), ('Croatia', 56594), ('Hungary', 93028), ('Italy', 301336), ('Kosovo', 10908), ('Liechtenstein', 160), ('Luxembourg', 2586), ('Monaco', 2.02),
('North Macedonia', 25713), ('Malta', 316), ('Montenegro', 13812), ('Netherlands', 41850), ('Norway', 323802), ('Poland', 312679), ('San Marino', 61), ('Serbia', 88361), ('Slovakia', 49037), ('Slovenia', 20273), ('Swede
Total area of 3,484,822.46
About 30% of Europe's Area
12:51
@DannyuNDos x86-64 is easier to intuitively connect with older x86 ISAs, while AMD64 implies it's vendor-specific and is easy to mix up with arm64 when both are lowercase
@Redz it's an old shorthand from morse code. "I ⅟ a million dollars from the lottery", "I ⅟ my crush by buying them flowers", "⅟baked cookie is fine if the other 11 come out okay"
13:17
> Thanks for reaching out. Your system/browser is not returning a user agent (something normally handled automatically). As our sites don't allow connections that don't return a user agent, you will not be able to utilize the site until you/your system allows a user agent return.
bruh
CC @Ginger
@mousetail What?
For me it's 3.7 million km.
And I am still missing some.
13:33
fixed :D
14:04
> the time zone was changed to Central European Time in 1940
given the time frame and the fact that it is now the same time zone as Germany, any guesses as to why? :P
(The same Wikipedia article says why more explicitly further down)
> "But if plain text is so good, why is this page written in HTML?"
> This is a reference document, not an email!
Now someone needs to send the entirety of the HTML of this page as an email.
It's at useplaintext.email.
Although maybe a better idea is,
to have it plain text by default,
but if it contains what's recognized as a HTML tag, switch it.
Or you could test it by previewing it in HTML and checking if it renders.
But basically if it does, you can do multiparty.
Else just plain text.
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14:22
but like, the security considerations?
As I said it's multipart.
And you could choose a preference to by default display in plain text.
You can also manually just view the plain text version.
Etc.
It is debatable if HTML or plain text should be used as the default preference.
I wonder if this site breaks with accessibility software.
Or can be used.
14:47
@rydwolf whar
turns out that was the cloudflare issue I had lol
sechat supplies a UA, it always has
not your cloudflare issue, my cloudflare issue
ah lol
easy to get them confused, we seem to have a lot of cloudflare issues :|
15:16
amazon sure is a website
this is for a plain white athletic shirt lmao
*wears plain t-shirt sexily*
we need to bring back the myimmortalposting
OKAY IT'S FUNNIER\
the reviews don't even use the word "sexy" amazon just decided it is LMAO
15:32
Lol.
Or maybe the product.
16:25
@rydwolf that's a dependency, you have to be sexy to wear it
16:42
Does that mean the others are also dependencies?
You have to be fit, worth your paycheck, and built from quality materials?
yep
17:37
huh
 
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21:34
Why was it made so that normal people can’t chat in TN🍞?
I assume you're joking about a hypothetical moderation action locking the room down but that's uhh... maybe not the most tasteful way to say that after the thing that just happened that warranted an actual moderation action
@TheEmptyStringPhotographer So they don't get notified when messages are moved
It's been that way since it was created
@UnrelatedString it’s not a joke
@emanresuA oh!
What’s wrong with that?
Just convenience (also so that it can stay as just a trash room)
It's just annoying to get a ping saying "you've been invited to join Trash" every time a message of yours gets moved
@emanresuA well, it's not just for trash, we also use it to talk about the non-ROs behind their backs, remember?
21:39
"You’ve been invited to join Trash, as you are trash."
@TheEmptyStringPhotographer Could you please change the "pronouns" in your bio, unless that's actually what you prefer go by?
@hyper-neutrino what happened?
A conversation that wasn't appropriate here
@TheEmptyStringPhotographer Fwiw, if it was meant to be public knowledge what happened, hyper wouldn't've deleted the messages :p
@emanresuA TIL chat doesn't ping people if their messages are moved to a room that they can't talk in
which makes sense, I just never really considered it before
@rydwolf isn't this like the third time someone's asked about this
21:47
yes
22:20
:|
Fourth I think
23:00
I believe we've discussed before why using joke pronouns is harmful, but just to have a hard policy to point to, I'm going to summarize (and anyone who has something to say, feel free to jump in, I use the pronouns I was assigned at birth so I may miss something another perspective would offer)
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Setting your pronouns to something clever or funny might seem harmless, but it delegitimizes people's preferences for how they're referred to
There is a long history, both on- and offline, of jokes being made about pronouns and how people outside the traditional gender binary identify (e.g., the "I identify as an attack helicopter" joke). These jokes are made at the expense of people who already may struggle to get others to recognize and respect their identity
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Setting your pronouns to something silly may not have the intent to put down nonbinary/trans/genderqueer people, but intent doesn't always change how people will interpret your joke
Misunderstandings and poor communication around pronouns and their use has been at the heart of some pretty serious incidents in SE's past
this is in fact part of the reason why the pronouns userscript exists!
@rydwolf entirely true
it leaves a sour taste in my mouth, personally
and it's just disrespectful
so don't do it! you can be funny in so many other ways
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A community that not only respects diverse identities, but actively puts in work to develop and use tools to more easily facilitate a welcoming environment, is a very nice thing to have, and something I (and I'm sure many others here) am very proud to be a part of. Regardless of intent, joke-pronouns have the potential to be unwelcoming, and to impede efforts to create the sort of inclusive community that we're so lucky to have
I'm not going to unilaterally put into place any policy on how misuse of the pronoun script should be handled, but I hope that's not something we'll need to worry about.
In other words, please just remove any joke pronouns from your bio.
That mainly means you, @TheEmptyStringPhotographer, although this isn't written to be directed at any particular user at any specific point in time
I'm going to pin the first message in this monologue, just to collect feedback/additional perspectives on this, and potentially make it an official policy if necessary
(damn did I really take 20m to write this?)
Also I cleared the stars from my "Windows Themself" joke, just since it'd be a bit hypocritical to have a pronoun-related joke on the starboard at the same time as this lol (even if the context was much different)
23:46
> hypothetical
hypocritical?
Also yeah I didn't get why that was starred in the first place
@Bbrk24 oops yeah
would you like me to 11 it to be correct?
sure :p
thanks lol
Yeah I'd originally written the joke thinking purely from a linguistics standpoint and it being funny to conjugate "Windows [Pronoun]" in weird ways, but maybe it was a slight error in judgment
23:54
unrelated, I almost accidentally searched for Microsoft Edge in Microsoft Edge again. I use PowerToys' spotlight clone to search for and open Edge because I use it for my uni github alt. But then, once in Edge, I forget I've already done that, and, without using the shortcut to open the spotlight clone, I type Edge thinking "I need to open Edge"
I say again because this is not the first time

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