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lyxal

01:13

@Ginger there's also define: for wikitionary

And apparently there was even once a translate: that made feeds post an English version of whatever you gave it

It was removed because people abused it

(making it so that feeds could say anything by posting a translate command and then deleting the original message)

New Posts

01:25

Q: Determine the optimal blackjack move

After the success of my baccarat challenge, I figured we should try a similar challenge for another casino game, blackjack. Blackjack is a game played with two to eight decks of cards shuffled together. The object is to reach a hand that totals as close to 21 as possible, without going over. Numb...

DLosc

01:40

predictable

Adjective: predictable (comparative more predictable, superlative most predictable)

Able to be predicted.

Noun: predictable (plural predictables)

(uncommon) A predictable thing.

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Mukundan314

05:47

@DLosc, I have been experimenting with storing multiple unbounded numbers as 2**a + 3**b + 5**c + ... (simple divmod with this strategy); Have you ever used this approach in any of your code-golf solutions?

Also notice that the exponent bases don't need to primes; just that they need to be co-prime to each other. So when storing a finite number of unbounded integers you can use a program to search for pairwise co-prime arithmetic progression (this is the strategy I used for the BF with unbounded cells -> Acc!! transpiler)

*the addition on the first line should be multiplication

math scat

06:09

@RydwolfPrograms this looks like it’s made in desmos lol

DLosc

06:27

@Mukundan314 I haven't; in fact, I've generally stayed away from challenges that require storing more than one unbounded number. In the original challenge that gave rise to Acc!!, I stored four unbounded numbers in binary by interleaving their bits--it worked for that task, but it's a bit inconvenient as a general approach.

emanresu A

@Mukundan314 Planning on going for that bounty for 1000+ rep for a tinylisp interpreter in Acc!!?

DLosc

It's so gratifying when a minimalistic language turns out to have ways of using and abusing it that I never dreamed of when I made it. :D

Mukundan314

Been considering both the formatter and the interpreter challenges, but both are so daunting that I feel like quitting before even starting

I was actually initially trying to use the same interleaving bits approach, but very quickly I could no longer understand what I was writing.

emanresu A

06:48

I figured out an iterativeish algorithm for the former here, although it'd still be a huge pain

Would probably want some sort of intermediate language (maybe brainfuck? idk if your compiler's sufficiently efficient)

Mukundan314

I was thinking of maybe implementing a simple transpiler to automatically merge multiple variables, and possibly have the ability to do lists

Mukundan314

07:26

The BF compiler I created might have a shot thanks to PyPy's incredible JIT, but I have my doubts. Also, limiting nested loops in asm2bf could be challenging (though I have no idea about this part since I have never used asm2bf)

RubenVerg

@lyxal yes, exactly!

@lyxal can we agree on 4.5?

lyxal

How about 4.51?

RubenVerg

okay

i sent 4.51 to your house

lyxal

Excellent

Expect delivery in about 4 to 5 hours

(i won't get a chance to properly focus on what should be included until then)

Because of evening stuff with family

RubenVerg

alright, i'll go back to implementing hello world in said language in the meantime

it's surprisingly hard

lyxal

07:30

No string data type?

RubenVerg

no, just primitives that output numbers as Unicode characters

lyxal

Any list data types?

Or all numbers?

RubenVerg

nope, just integers

"Hello, " looks like this:

lyxal

Floats allowed?

RubenVerg

Apr 9 at 20:31, by RubenVerg

@lyxal no

lyxal

07:34

I'll make sure to limit my suggestions to that scope then

RubenVerg

great, thanks!

lyxal

So I can do some background thinking, is there going to be an instruction pointer? Or is it grab when possible? And is it possible for numbers moving to "lose momentum" and get stuck?

And is it possible for numbers to collide?

emanresu A

Now I'm imagining a physics-based rube goldberg machine esolang

I'm sure something along those lines exists

RubenVerg

07:50

@lyxal i'm not sure what you mean by "grab when possible"

numbers' movement is only decided by the primitives which appear in each grid cell, whether they "lose momentum" or not is dependent on what the primitive is

there is a primitive W that does pretty much make a number lose momentum: it stops until another value is received (for synchronization)

i don't think numbers can collide because they are always on opposite sides of primitives, if i understand what you mean, so if they manage to collide it's a bug

lyxal

@RubenVerg well like how do numbers go into operators?

RubenVerg

they travel across the grid from primitive to primitive

lyxal

@RubenVerg but like I see whitespace in your hello example

What happens in the whitespace?

RubenVerg

an empty space is also a primitive, just one that does nothing (passes all values through)

emanresu A

@emanresuA (sorta like convey but with tile graphics and rational positions?)

lyxal

07:54

@RubenVerg aha got it

l4m2

08:45

Neil

09:13

@l4m2 well it tried

l4m2

Another AI

Neil

10:06

better, but it needs to use qsort_s (which I just found out about)

l4m2

Yeah I didn't read about C11

RubenVerg

10:25

@l4m2 it's trying to convert code with a capture and it doesn't know how

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lyxal

11:32

@RubenVerg one list ready for you to consume

it's got some ideas that you can expand and make work in the existing system you have

RubenVerg

11:55

thanks! some of those I already have, some I'm not sure they fit the language (those that move signals elsewhere instead of just processing them) but a few are quite useful

especially conditionals! I completely forgot about them

lyxal

I'm glad there's things there that are useful :p

RubenVerg

tbh i say that the ones that move values don't fit just because I don't know how to implement them (:

I'd definitely have to completely rework the system but I'll try to figure them out

Mukundan314

12:34

@DLosc, Discovered a bug in Acc!! that can be easily exploited to output any char n times without using a loop. poc

The Empty String Photographer

@lyxal That feels like a list of features in a Minecraft ripoff

lyxal

one or two things might be artisticly inspired by Minecraft, yes

Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard

13:22

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer check my room

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New Posts

15:06

Q: Consume a sequential game of Rock Paper Scissors

A fictional "sequential" game of Rock Paper Scissors A number of people stand in a line with their hands hidden in a pre-chosen state of either Rock ✊, Paper ✋ or Scissors ✌️. Here's an example line: Initial Line ✌️ ✋ ✊ ✋ ✊ ✌️ ✌️ ✊ ✌️ ✋ ✊ The game goes like this: at each turn, the leftm...

code-golf game

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Hello, World!

16:32

A: "Hello, World!"

JSL - JMP Scripting Language, 15 bytes In this challenge the most difficult part was to check whether JSL had no submissions yet (977 answers on 33 pages) =)) "Hello world!" Outputs "Hello, World!" to the console.

The Empty String Photographer

17:07

@Petəíŕd The Spring Wizard Please do not post off-topic messages in The Nineteenth Byte

DLosc

17:18

@Mukundan314 Lol, whoops

Mukundan314

Though I think damage is quite limited due to limited characters and not allowing multiple letter to appear next to each other.

DLosc

Yeah, I just tried to inject some more interesting code and it didn't work

Mukundan314

also discovered that ** work for exponentiation as well, through this probably isn't very useful

Sandbox Posts

18:05

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Divisibility patterns I was writing a helper script to visualize problem spots for my code with this question and the output was prettier and more patterny than I expected. Your task in this code-golf challenge is to create a similar generalized output in as few bytes as possible. Your inputs are...

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DLosc

21:29

If I had a nickel for every time today that I've accidentally typed stack.pip(), I'd have two nickels. Which is not a lot, but... well, honestly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened more.

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