The Nineteenth Byte

lyxal

00:31

@Ginger it's acceptable

Seggan

00:54

yikes the comment chain

emanresu A

@Seggan You might say… it’s quite political

Simd

02:20

@Bubbler I like this a lot!

l4m2

tio.run/… Is there no way to call ""a in hex?

Unrelated String

03:02

given it's a "literal operator suffix", i'd assume not

because it only works on literals

so there's no way to disambiguate the parsing in the operator's favor

given it seems to be the case that you're encouraged to use underscores with these, the real problem is calling the operator just a :P

l4m2

pastebin treat ' in 0x1'1 as start of character pastebin.com/k3YBL89u

Fraune

03:46

Hi - new to the code golf stackexchange. I couldn't find anywhere that describes when I should edit an answer vs writing a new answer if I can make an improvement. I notice a lot of people like to strike out the bytes and update it with the new count, but the answer I can improve has some nice text written about their particular strategy that is not applicable to my improvement, and I would probably delete. Wondering what people here think

Unrelated String

if it's someone else's solution? you either write a comment detailing your golf to it or post a new answer of your own. actually directly editing other people's solutions is basically unheard of

and if you're overhauling a very important part of their logic it sounds like it should just be a new answer

in the more general case where there's some explanation you're kind of proud of, the #1 thing to consider is the edit history will preserve it no matter what, and #2 is you can just leave it as a section underneath your new and improved solution within the same answer post

l4m2

3

Title: Took me 5s to understand. LMAO~~~~

Unrelated String

ahahahaha

Fraune

@UnrelatedString okay makes sense - I didn't know if it worked like other stack exchange sites where people tried to get the best result for any particular language, or people like to submit their own options. Thanks

Rydwolf Programs

04:45

@noodleman Idk the meta, I've just written vanilla up until now lol

Hello, World!

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A: "Hello, World!"

Acc!!, 63 bytes 195657271854030749545429 Count i while _ { Write _%83+32 _/83 } Try it online! Stores the string Hello, World! as an integer in base-83 then uses a loop to decode and print it. Due to limitations of the scoreboard snippet, the title of this post is incorrect. The correct name of...

zoomlogo

06:20

@l4m2 how is 0×12 = 18?!?!

OH WAIT

hexadecimal

Simd

07:44

CMQ Flip a fair coin 100 times, giving a sequence of heads (H) and tails (T). For each HH, Alice gets a point; for each T_T (that is, two tails separated by one flip, either heads or tails) Bob gets a point. Who is more likely to end up with the most points?

The Empty String Photographer

@Simd Equally likely.

Simd

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer why?

The Empty String Photographer

@Simd HH (25%) is equally likely to TT (25%).

Simd

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer it’s T_T

See the explanation in the brackets

The Empty String Photographer

Didn’t you change it?

Wait what

Simd

07:52

Example: If you flipped 8 times, say HHHTHTHTHT, Alice would get 2 points (starting in positions 1 and 2) and Bob would get 3 points, starting in positions 4, 6, and 8.

The Empty String Photographer

I swear it wasn’t T_T before

Simd

:) I didn’t change it

The Empty String Photographer

Anyways, I think Alice will get more points, since they both still have a 25% chance of happening, but HH uses less flips than T_T, and so more points per flip on average.

Simd

Try changing 100 to a larger number

l4m2

I believe Alice more likely as Alice has 99 tries while Bob only has 98, but can't confirm

The Empty String Photographer

07:58

@Simd Still holds.

Simd

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer you might need to think again

The Empty String Photographer

@Simd Then again, I might not need to.

l4m2

08:12

Tried, A:B=5:4

Wait program wrong

pastebin.com/Dv1iycrr

Neil

seems fairly equal to me, my random 1000 trials turned up 255 HHs and 255 T_Ts

Simd

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer imagine it is only 3 coin tosses

l4m2

It seems reasonable to get their exact value

l4m2

08:40

tio.run/… Yes A is higher

But if tie is B's win then B higher

Simd

@Neil is this for 100 tosses?

Neil

no, by 1000 trials I meant tosses

The Empty String Photographer

10:03

@Simd Bob can get a max of 1 point, but Alice can get 2.

Simd

11:10

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer yes

noodle man

11:51

@RydwolfPrograms you should probably use vite instead of webpack, vite is faster and more modern and it’s plug-ins make more sense

tbh it’s been a little while since i was just using TS and a bundler though, usually i use Astro

which is built on top of vite iirc

Ginger

12:49

@lyxal have you seen what I replaced the reflection with? :p

lyxal

i meant the lexer changes

Ginger

👍

now I need to come up with builtins

lyxal

how many you thinkng?

Ginger

uhh

unsure

lyxal

do you want small lang or big lang?

lots of stuff or minimum stuff needed?

Ginger

12:58

small, probably

lyxal

I recommend seeing what Uiua has then

Ginger

ooh, good idea

lyxal

@Ginger i made a small list for you

those should be a good start

fundamental things imo

Ginger

thanks!

appreciate it

lyxal

making lists of things a language should include is kind of my speciality :p

mousetail

13:10

Every language needs that one builtin that really shouldn't be a builtin

Ginger

mandelbrot :b

lyxal

frombulate => pop x, y, push whether x is prime and whether y has an even number of letters

there's your builtin that shouldn't be a builtin

mousetail

Except Mathamatica and PHP where most of the builtins really don't feel like they should be builtins

Ginger

13:34

hm, I might be able to do something silly here

Kotlin coroutines integrate with JS

so I might not need a worker to run the interpreter

no, I think I'll still need a worker

but at least I can write the entire page in Kotlin

Neil

13:50

@mousetail like FizzBuzz you mean?

mousetail

@Neil I was thinking in terms of practlangs but FizzBuzz in golfinglangs also count I guess

Neil

@lyxal what's the difference between fold and reduce?

lyxal

14:05

Nothing, actually

I forgot they were the same thing at the time of writing

mousetail

Fold takes the initial value as a second argument, reduce doesn't. Without dynamic typing it's easy to use one to implement the other though

Seggan

14:20

@mousetail ImageInstanceQ[x,"caprine animal",RecognitionThreshold->i/100]

Mathematica has a builtin for determining goats. I don't know how to feel about that. — Robert Fraser Feb 10, 2016 at 15:21

i think thats the most upvoted comment on the site

mousetail

Of course PHP famously had a builtin to read a line from a GZIP file and strip HTML tags

RubenVerg

14:37

@lyxal i would like to buy a list of things a language with the following characteristics should include: each primitive has up to four inputs, each marked with a cardinal direction, and up to four outputs, also marked with cardinal directions; all values are integers; many primitives have a concept of outputting "to the first free side" which means the first side that doesn't have an input

let me know how much this costs, thanks!

noodle man

@lyxal why entire stack rotation?

just makes things hard to wrap your head about

ig it is sorta useful in a golflang

DLosc

16:55

@mousetail Hmmm... does it count that Pip has builtins for secant, cosecant, and cotangent? At any rate, I've never used them.

Rydwolf Programs

17:37

Graphics demo for the game I'm working on

The Empty String Photographer

I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired

Larry Bagel

17:52

@RydwolfPrograms looks pretty cool, also looks similar to like surviv.io

Rydwolf Programs

Yep, that was a major inspiration

I loved surviv.io so much I'm so sad it's dead

Larry Bagel

:(

Seggan

19:12

@RydwolfPrograms why does this look suspiciously like surviv.io

ooh what im working on:

Messed up normals

►

took me forever but i got minecraft model parsing (mostly) down:

and this was actually mostly working on the first try, bar some winding order bugs

Rydwolf Programs

19:47

@Seggan It's all from memory too

Aiden Chow

@RydwolfPrograms surviv io v2.0?????

Neil

if you really want to mess someone's JS up, export a function called then from your ES module, so they can't dynamically import it

Rydwolf Programs

@AidenChow Maybe :p

Didn't start as that but it's kinda morphed into it lol

Aiden Chow

@RydwolfPrograms I see, dope! whens gonna be out lol, i loved surviv io

Ginger

the pressure's on d:

Rydwolf Programs

20:01

@AidenChow Planning on a really low-effort initial beta in a day or two

With just like one gun and little to no terrain

Aiden Chow

@RydwolfPrograms will the gun be similar to one in surviv or completely different??

Rydwolf Programs

Probably just a generic pistol

Undecided how many guns I'll add and if they'll be named/modeled after real ones, or if I'll just make them generic

Rydwolf Programs

20:15

I'm using TS for the front-end and Go for the back and really liking both

Go has a few oddities, but it feels a lot like a vanilla, no-surprises compiled/statically-typed language, which I like

Aiden Chow

@RydwolfPrograms ah yea starting with the basic gun, will it be more like ot38 or m9 from surviv

Rydwolf Programs

I'm thinking 8 bullets, decent amount of damage, pretty poor accuracy. So sort of like a DEagle with the damage of an OT-38

Aiden Chow

@RydwolfPrograms if I pick up two can I dual wield

Also u r saying the accuracy and firing rate will be like a deagle but dmg is like ot38?

Rydwolf Programs

Approximately yeah

Aiden Chow

Cool, that sounds interesting, tho ot38 actually does quite a bit with no armor

Rydwolf Programs

20:24

Okay I just got a chem test back from a few months ago and there was a sheet stapled to it where we had to write the correct answers for all the ones we got wrong and why we got them wrong and for the only question I got wrong the reason just says "brain mushy" 💀

Aiden Chow

@RydwolfPrograms valid reason lmao

Ginger

relatable

@RydwolfPrograms doesn't Go not have generics

Aiden Chow

Well I actually just took an AP Chem final not too long ago and I feel like i bombed it lol

Titration is weird af to me, that’s for sure

Ginger

someday I should try making a full-stack app entirely in Kotlin

Rydwolf Programs

@Ginger I believe it does now

But for lots of server-side applications, you don't really need those

And go's awesome for just duct-taping together sockets and streams and threads and srudf

Ginger

20:38

kotlin coroutines :3

hands-down my favorite implementation of asynchronous programming ever

reeeeeeally wish JetBrains had made an actual language server for Kotlin

that's like my one problem with it

they have effectively a monopoly on the IDE market when it comes to Kotlin

Seggan

@Ginger those are great i agree

they go out of your way

@Ginger eh tbh Kotlin/JS is not that great

Ginger

I'll be the judge of that

lyxal

22:51

@RubenVerg so it's a 2d language which seems to operate one tick at a time

Interesting

Estimated cost is 5

DLosc

That's a pretty steep cost

I knew you were into stealing limbs, but digits now?

lyxal

It's the economy

2 just ain't cutting it like it use to

That's why it's gotta be 5

Hey guys guess what wiki: <page name> one boxes as the Wikipedia link

Code golf

Code golf is a type of recreational computer programming competition in which participants strive to achieve the shortest possible source code that solves a certain problem. Code golf challenges and tournaments may also be named with the programming language used (for example, Perl golf). == Etymology == The term "code golf" is derived from the similarity of its goal with that of conventional golf, where participants seek to achieve the lowest possible score, rather than the highest, as is the standard in most sports and game scoring systems. While conventional golf players try to minimize the...

I sent wiki: code golf and it worked

Amazing

For testing it out yourself, go to the sandbox

Newly Featured Posts

23:19

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Q: {Curly Numbers};

In the esoteric programming language Curly, programs consist solely of curly braces {} and semicolons ;. Despite this humble toolset, Curly has literals that can represent any nonnegative integer. The format is a little hard for the uninitiated to read, though, so let's write some code to do the ...

Ginger

@lyxal WHAT

lyxal

ikr

Ginger

like, I thought that was a really elaborate rickroll setup

since when has this been a thing

lyxal

A while it seems

It's definitely not new

Ginger

wacky

and of course it's not documented anywhere

Sandbox Posts

23:52

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

This is a joint post with https://puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/126255/dishonest-dungeon-staff I guess the tags would be something like fastest-algorithm, math, decision-problem, combinatorics. You are faced with the difficult task to set up a dungeon for adventurers. However you made a de...

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