The Nineteenth Byte

Aiden Chow

12:08 AM

lol look at this haha: desmos.com/calculator/r51ges5gup

emanresu A

\textcolor?

That's slightly cursed lol

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA yep

Radvylf Programs

Desmos has no idea how to handle it lol

Aiden Chow

not useful at all because it doesnt work, but still cool nonetheless

Radvylf Programs

> add slider: textcolor

emanresu A

12:10 AM

When you do that

Aiden Chow

i swear textcolor didnt work when i tried it a while back, but something mustve changed because it works now

Radvylf Programs

Aiden Chow

@RadvylfPrograms 😳

desmos.com/calculator/y3waacpoqy

Neil

12:35 AM

Page Selector⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ [closed] why so much space?

emanresu A

It appears it was added to bypass the 15-char limit

Ginger Industries

12:55 AM

nothing to see here

Aiden Chow

how long should one usually wait before accepting an answer for meta consensus?

Ginger Industries

move along

Aiden Chow

or is it based on # of votes?

lyxal

I generally wait until it's clear that there is a clear, unopposed consensus

Aiden Chow

@lyxal ok... so how long would that be? one week?

lyxal

12:58 AM

And also, the post needs to have at least +5 net score and at least twice as many upvotes as downvotes iirc

emanresu A

That's for standard loopholes

You should probably just get a RO to pin a message here so people notice it

lyxal

@AidenChow not necessarily - if I saw that there was a single answer with unilateral upvotes (like 10 or so) within a few days, I'd probably accept that

But a week should be pretty standard

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Ragged slice

Ginger Industries

teeth soup

lyxal

okay and?

Ginger Industries

1:06 AM

</sentence>

lyxal

no I meant, what's your point

everyone can make teeth soup

what's so special about yours that it needs to be bold italics?

Ginger Industries

that's just how the soup is

lyxal

then it's bad soup

bold italics tastes horrible

Ginger Industries

wat

emanresu A

@GingerIndustries We've confirmed that Ginger's not a markov chain

Ginger Industries

1:09 AM

clearly you've never experienced true soup

emanresu A

\o/ finally beat couch 2048

lyxal

@GingerIndustries true soup falls over before you eat it

Ginger Industries

@emanresuA Have you the the the the the the?

DLosc

@GingerIndustries Not a sentence, just a noun phrase :P

lyxal

@GingerIndustries it doesn't just lean over and never fall

Ginger Industries

1:10 AM

._.

what kinda soup you got in Australia

wait, this feels familiar

2 days ago, by Ginger Industries

what kinda bathtubs you got in Australia

I have been in this place before.

lyxal

Soup falls over in slow motion

►

that kinda soup

it falls fully over and it does it in slow motion

Ginger Industries

hot take: this chat is a budget discord sever

lyxal

@GingerIndustries you're a budget discord server

Ginger Industries

Feb 3 at 23:32, by lyxal

@GingerIndustries Dang bro don't doxx me like that

lyxal

Today I remembered that I said that

Ginger Industries

1:14 AM

I remember everything ~~because how else can I run my markov chains~~

lyxal

Thank you default HTML without CSS for putting all my form elements on a single line.

very cool and helpful

Ginger Industries

ಠ_ಠ

The genius of this chatroom is that everyone riffs on everyone else. It's like improv but by programmers.

(otherwise known as php)

2

lyxal

@GingerIndustries I'd insert a meta-joke that riffed on this message but I couldn't be bothered. And besides, a meta-meta-self-referrential joke like this is funnier

Ginger Industries

16 secs ago, by lyxal

@GingerIndustries I'd insert a meta-joke that riffed on this message but I couldn't be bothered. And besides, a meta-meta-self-referrential joke like this is funnier

I just meta'd your meta-meta-self-referential statement (and this message telling you that is itself a meta-meta-self-referential statement)

This joke's so meta Facebook's trying to buy it

DLosc

This joke's so meta, even this acronym... wait, who's TJ?

Ginger Industries

1:24 AM

These Jnuts

emanresu A

meta-meta-meta-self-referential is just meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-existentialism, aka radvylf.

lyxal

and then there's anti-climatic things like beans

Ginger Industries

      Big
     mEta
   metA
existeNsialism
  jokeS

there we go

@lyxal ^^ did you mean

nintendo switch logo but it clicks upwards

lyxal

2:09 AM

@GingerIndustries php[ipis]

Ginger Industries

@lyxal ರ_ರ

lyxal

please, it's only a little chaos chaos

Ginger Industries

herobrine is displeased with your pipis

there's a YTP

lyxal

what herobrine doesn't know is that I can do anything

on an unrelated side note, who keeps spinning the world around?

Ginger Industries

he knows now

@lyxal h

Radvylf Programs

2:27 AM

@lyxal A couple of chipmunks running raelly fast

Ginger Industries

don't you hate it when your laptop flips forwards and smacks you in the forehead

Radvylf Programs

Almost as much as I hate it when punk teenagers steal my doorknob button so I stick my thumb into live electrical wires

h

e

c

2:29 AM

Idea: science clickbait: stuff that's basically substanceless but gets lots of citations

emanresu A

"balls bounce higher if you drop them from higher"

Ginger Industries

Did you mean: Dihydrogen Monoxide Awareness?

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms sounds like those chipmunks are really keeping up

emanresu A

Seriously, a few of my classmates did that :P

Radvylf Programs

2:53 AM

Tfw getting an item shipped internationally from a company on the other side of the world is cheaper than ordering it from a few states over through the US Postal Service

...wow, and I just found it on the same site I ordered the raspberry pi from, so I could've just lumped it in with that :|

I even searched first and couldn't find it on that site

Is it just me or does all Amazon have nowadays is cheap knockoffs of stuff

Ginger Industries

it's just you

Radvylf Programs

About to spend $14 on shipping for a $12 product :|

Ginger Industries

yesterday, by Radvylf Programs

And I'm $60 in debt from the Raspberry Pi

are you not in debt

Radvylf Programs

I'll fix that later

Ginger Industries

ಠ_ಠ

It'll all end in tears, I know it!

Radvylf Programs

3:03 AM

I'll just go with the cheap knockoff on Amazon for now

Ginger Industries

what are you getting

Radvylf Programs

USB speaker

adafruit.com/product/3369

Ginger Industries

ayy adafruit

Radvylf Programs

Stupid website I got the raspberry pi from had the same speaker but their search is totally wack and it didn't show up

Ginger Industries

all hail adafruit

Radvylf Programs

3:10 AM

I'll have spent $100 on this project now, when the actual supplies I need for it is a total of $40.

Thanks to shipping, taxes, and the extra stuff I had to buy to get the raspberry pi since everything but some random kit was sold out

Ginger Industries

~~damn shame chip shortages otherwise you coulda used a pi0w for $10~~

Radvylf Programs

Me: Wow this sure is a nice supply chain
COVID:
Me:
COVID:

@GingerIndustries That's what I'm using, yeah

Paid $50 to get it, since it was sold out unless I got it with a case and a ton of other stuff

Ginger Industries

oh

Radvylf Programs

And then shipping added $15

Ginger Industries

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

that sucks man

I've been trying to get my hands on a Nvidia Jetson Nano for weeks

they've been out of stock since like 2020

Radvylf Programs

3:13 AM

Luckily my parents usually don't look at the shipping cost of stuff, so I can probably just tell them it's $60 total and get away with it

I would say it's gonna suck when I have to pay for stuff myself and I can't pretend shipping and taxes don't exist, but it'll probably be a lot better having a job to actually get money to buy stuff with since my birthday+christmas+allowance savings are at an all time low and the government's not gonna bail me out this time

Ginger Industries

I had the luck of already having a bunch of parts pre-pandemic

user

@GingerIndustries how much would you be willing to pay for one?

Ginger Industries

@user wat

user

Because i think i could get one

Ginger Industries

w a t

user

3:25 AM

i have access to a jetson, though i don’t know if they’d let me buy it

Ginger Industries

I am willing to pay $99, which is the current MSRP of one

Unrelated String

@GingerIndustries that is not a hot take

lukewarm would be generous

user

I’ll check if they let me take it for like $60

@UnrelatedString JUST LIKE UR MOM

Ginger Industries

but tbh if some random plat on the internet offered to give you an expensive piece of equipment while also hinting that they might technically not be allowed to have it you would probably be a bit concerned as well

user

I’m not going to steal it lol

Ginger Industries

3:28 AM

is this going to be a piecekeeping operation

user

Im in a club that has a jetson that hasn’t been used since like 2018 and probably never will

Radvylf Programs

user's gonna rob them at machinegunpoint

Ginger Industries

@user how much ram does it have

user

so i could just ask nicely if i can take it home and donate $60

@GingerIndustries no idea, I’ll have to check

Ginger Industries

how am I going to get this thing

hey kid, ya wanna buy a Nvidia Jetson Nano ?

user

3:30 AM

we apparently used it for vision processing but now there’s a nice camera that does that itself

@GingerIndustries uhh, I’m thinking of a way to ship it to you without revealing either of our addresses

Ginger Industries

how the hell do I explain a Jetson Nano showing up at my doorstep

Radvylf Programs

You ship it to me, I ship it to Ginger, I sell both of your addresses to the dark web

user

@GingerIndustries ?

It’s not a nuke lol

Ginger Industries

It's going to be pretty hard for me to explain why this is not feasible without revealing a bunch of personal info

user

@RadvylfPrograms yes I’m sure criminals will be very interested in the address of a random user

Ginger Industries

3:32 AM

suffice it to say due to personal reasons I can't really do that

user

:(

Alright then

Ginger Industries

all that can really be done here is to wait

sorry

user

I’m going to try taking the jetson home for myself then

Ginger Industries

I already have one of Sphero's RVR robots, so for my birthday I'm trying to get my hands on a Nano and a LIDAR sensor

Radvylf Programs

I can put a parachute on a tank, drive it to user's house and grab the jetson, then split it in half. I push the young man it results in to the ground, and use the jet to propel the tank to Ginger.

Wait no I gotta bring the son with me so I can merge him with the jet again

Ginger Industries

3:34 AM

and then I smack em together and bing bang boom segmentation fault

. _ .

user

@RadvylfPrograms am i C, because i don’t get the reference

Ginger Industries

wait how do you know where user and myself live

Radvylf Programs

@user Split jetson in half. You get a jet and a son.

Ginger Industries

sūs

user

@GingerIndustries wouldn’t a simple arduibo kit do for most things?

@RadvylfPrograms oh lol

Ginger Industries

3:36 AM

> arduibo

also no, I want this lad to do ai shit

user

The knockoff version of Arduino :p

Ginger Industries

arduibo: Nintendo's first, last, and only foray into the world of hobby electronics

emanresu A

arduibo - Like arduino but written in Malbolge

At least it's not C++

lyxal

arduibo: What people who see the letter n like redwolf sees the letter e use

Ginger Industries

e LATIN CHARACTER NO RADVYLF

PyGamer0

4:01 AM

arduino is open source so anyone can make their own

lyxal

3

just a normal day using github desktop

PyGamer0

lol

Ginger Industries

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

lyxal

also, this is what it looks like when you don't tidy your branch list in github dekstop:

most of those branches don't exist on origin but because I don't tidy my branch list they still exist locally

Ginger Industries

imagine not pushing to prod

lyxal

4:11 AM

kinda can't

because it's protected

user

@PyGamer0 making your own board and chil abd stuff is like not cak

lyxal

not cak? what if I want it to be cak?

Ginger Industries

cak vs plat

hyper-neutrino

export async function create_gist(filename, description, content) {
    const files = {};
    files[filename] = { content };
    const response = await fetch("https://api.github.com/gists", {
        method: "POST",
        headers: {
            Accept: "application/vnd.github.v3+json",
            "Content-Type": "application/json",
            Authorization: `Basic ${config.github_username}:${config.github_token}`,
        },
        body: JSON.stringify({ description, files }),
    });
}

can anyone see anything wrong with this lol

this gets me a 500 and i'm not exactly sure why cuz the response body is empty

lyxal

is the gist public?

Ginger Industries

4:23 AM

@hyper-neutrino have you tried turning it off and on again?

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal no but I am creating a gist here so

Radvylf Programs

Is this browser fetch or node-fetch?

hyper-neutrino

this is node-fetch

Radvylf Programs

Hmm, so it's likely not a header not getting set (browser fetch can be pretty restrictive about headers IIRC)

hyper-neutrino

oh I see

Radvylf Programs

4:30 AM

Just in case you may want to try sending it to a node server on localhost:8080 or something, just to make sure all the headers are set properly and all that

hyper-neutrino

interestingly it works when I curl and i'm not sure what i'm doing differently between the two

curl -u username:token api.github.com/gists -H "Accept: application/vnd.github.v3+json" -d '{"description": "test gist 2", "files": {"test2.txt": {"content": "hello"}}}'

Radvylf Programs

I wouldn't be surprised if it was node-fetch, then

hyper-neutrino

yeah. i'll just start up a server and see what the request looks like

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Basic username:token as opposed to username:token?

Radvylf Programs

I had to write my own HTTP library for NP/SP (because of some weird cookie handling in node-fetch), wasn't fun lol

hyper-neutrino

4:34 AM

@emanresuA i assume -u sets the header correctly

emanresu A

Okay

hyper-neutrino

also the curl works

it's the node-fetch that doesn't

emanresu A

Then use node to run the curl /hj

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, comparing the headers on the curl vs. node-fetch should hopefully reveal the issue

hyper-neutrino

ah i think i need to base64 encode the basic authorization

lmao

emanresu A

4:38 AM

Oof

Ginger Industries

this is what taking drugs feels like

hyper-neutrino

lol what the fuck

5

emanresu A

^

Unrelated String

good
good question

Ginger Industries

exactly

now you have been enlightened as I have

lyxal

4:48 AM

@GingerIndustries sure

emanresu A

5:03 AM

@RadvylfPrograms What does ws 1011 mean?

Radvylf Programs

Something really weird happened, I guess

Works for me

emanresu A

Not on tanks, just in general

in Attempt This Online, 5 hours ago, by DLosc

@pxeger I'm getting an error when I try to run code (tried in Pip and Whython): websocket connection unexpectedly closed with code 1011

Asking for a friend

DLosc

@emanresuA Aww <3

emanresu A

:)

5

Q: Websockets library returns error 1011 but the version I'm using doesn't have docs for that error

I'm using the websockets Python library to implement an asynchronous socket server for my program. Because the client end of this program doesn't run constantly (it connects to the server, uploads some data and then disconnects), I was getting the following error: websockets.exceptions.Connectio...

No answer :(

Ginger Industries

9amgain hvfbc8ighfmd frehdni8iee/?/e?

!

DLosc

5:10 AM

@GingerIndustries I... rather like it? It's animals made into fractals. I watched several other vids by the same person, and Cows Cows Cows in particular had a sequence that was basically a Cantor set with cows.

Also, I don't know enough about music to explain why, but the music in each video is basically the concept of "uncanny valley" distilled in audio form.

Very fitting.

Ginger Industries

@DLosc I do not like how accurate that is

it's liminal music

lyxal

your message here

Okay SE chat I did what you asked.

Now what?

Ginger Industries

there's also this

lyxal

5:26 AM

Wordle 260 3/6

🟨⬛⬛🟨⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Big yikes on that second guess

PyGamer0

in flax, 37 secs ago, by PyGamer0

Any Feedback for these elements I'll add to flax?

took things from jelly and caird's fork

Unrelated String

do you already have substring index (so the new substring existence would presumably have, like, the argument order reversed or something)

PyGamer0

whats that?

Unrelated String

also consider a scan with starting value; can't think of a concrete example but i've wished jelly had that a few times

PyGamer0

ok

Unrelated String

5:35 AM

nice call having both directions of reduce btw

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString so should those be diagraphs?

or single byte

probably single byte

good unicode has ‶

@UnrelatedString ok added to the list

@UnrelatedString what is substring index?

Ginger Industries

imagine actually developing a usable golflang and not some other shit

PyGamer0

i want to beat jelly and vyxal :p

which is impossible because i havent implemented the cool things :p

Ginger Industries

i want to beat python :b

PyGamer0

like multidimensional stuff which i dont understand :₩

Ginger Industries

5:41 AM

which is impossible because python cannot get any better

PyGamer0

@GingerIndustries python can get better

Ginger Industries

i'm listening

PyGamer0

gist.github.com/PyGamer0/91367c88b3dc48e179c576ba0538c4a6

and make map faster please

if you are making a better python

Ginger Industries

Etch solves #1 by having no lambda and doesn't solve any of the other ones

PyGamer0

nice

Ginger Industries

5:46 AM

eventual lambda syntax will prob. be like define [args]: [code];

either that or define [args] {code}

PyGamer0

len("define") == len("lambda")

Ginger Industries

but at least it isn't an obscure stoopid greek thing

Etch optimizes for ease of use

PyGamer0

lambda is better imo

Ginger Industries

gbai

PyGamer0

6:48 AM

CMQ: Is it better to convert to digits if the argument is a number, for any(?

pxeger

7:11 AM

Any final feedback?

emanresu A

7:58 AM

Wordle 260 3/6

⬛🟨⬛⬛🟨
🟨⬛🟨⬛⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

tfw you find a dead-end stronghold :/

ophact

8:09 AM

@pxeger No, looks fine

And...

Wordle 260 3/6

🟨🟨⬛⬛⬛
🟨🟨⬛🟩⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

emanresu A

@pxeger It's +7, what does that tell you?

@emanresuA It's not a bug, it's a feature :/

Time to grind more ender pearls

It's a pain even with looting III

Unrelated String

8:41 AM

@GingerIndustries i feel like define is one of the worst possible choices of keyword for anonymous functions, whether or not it's what you use for named functions

@PyGamer0 index within one string where another string appears as a substring

PyGamer0

so like find?

Unrelated String

probably

like jelly's w

graffe

If you start at integer position x >0 on the number line and walk left or right at each step with prob 1/2, what is the prob you never get to the origin ?

emanresu A

0

ophact

Not necessarily

emanresu A

8:52 AM

Don't remember why but there's a proof somewhere

graffe

Are you sure it is 0?

PyGamer0

@emanresuA i dont care if its average or not, all i care is that is beats vyxal

(yes i switched rooms)

(yes nobody else will understand the context of the conversation)

emanresu A

Also see my disclaimer that caird only uses it when it significantly beats vanilla Jelly.

ophact

I understand @emanresuA's proof for graffe's question now

If you never touch the origin, then you must go out to infinity (you can never stop at some finite number) and the probability of continually going to infinity tends towards zero.

PyGamer0

ok for returning every nth value, is range better than digits?

      ⊏
> 10
> [2, 3, 4]
[[0 2 4 6 8] [0 3 6 9] [0 4 8]]

i would say range

emanresu A

9:08 AM

@ophact Also, demo sorta

@pxeger Jelly, 4 bytes

Unrelated String

@emanresuA ...this was really surprising until i started thinking about ways to specifically do it in 4 bytes lmao

ophact

@emanresuA for what?

oh

I'll try to solve it now

emanresu A

@UnrelatedString You got it yet?

Unrelated String

ye

ophact

Wait is it allowed to solve sandboxed challenges before they are posted?

Unrelated String

9:16 AM

probably several ways to do it but mine's md5 is 6da2a16459595ca7a2e6530fe1f326a1

and it's all ascii :)

emanresu A

Hm okay

Unrelated String

@ophact it's generally discouraged

emanresu A

Mine's all-but-one ascii

It's hover for spoiler

Unrelated String

that is... almost nothing like mine

emanresu A

Also, have a look at the date on this

Kinda sus

Unrelated String

9:18 AM

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

emanresu A

@UnrelatedString Oof yeah

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString wow it says o/

emanresu A

Trying to figure out what that does because I don't natively speak Jelly

Hm I was messing around with the equivalent of o/ in Vyxal

Problem is, only works on Vyxal ≤2.8.2

Unrelated String

it's

emanresu A

That approach also gives me 4 in Vyxal, thanks

Unrelated String

9:26 AM

nice

emanresu A

Had to do transpose and vectorised minimum though because [[classic vyxal jankness]]

Unrelated String

pog

PyGamer0

lets see if i can port it to flax

wait what does a dyad and } do?

@UnrelatedString foldr is diagraph

pxeger

@emanresuA well I'm waiting until a weekday to post it, but I thought I'd solicit once more just in case

I'm particularly worried about this one being a duplicate

ophact

I don't think it's a duplicate

but...

emanresu A

9:37 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ pxeger's is better specified and more usable, dupe hammer that one

ophact

Yep, that's why I said related and not duplicate

emanresu A

Given that the sandbox score of one is equal to the main score of the other, the sandbox one's probably better

ophact

Were you the downvoter?

It was at 8 points a minute ago

emanresu A

Mayyybe

I've started downvoting a lot more recently :P

Unrelated String

@PyGamer0 i noticed

it definitely would not warrant a single character lol

ophact

9:40 AM

@emanresuA There might be a correlation between your downvotes and the number of poor questions recently?

emanresu A

If you post it now I can do the dupe hammering, if we're all in agreement about that?

ophact

Yep, I agree

Please do post new challenges, because there have been less challenges lately

Sandbox Posts

9:56 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Social distance the graph Given an undirected graph like so, where various nodes are connected to each other: Select as many nodes as possible such that no two selected nodes are adjacent. ^ made by clumsy by-hand greedy algorithm, tell me if I stuffed this up. You should output the maximal num...