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12:24 AM

out of curiosity, is there like a standard way to remove errors while interpreting code

or is it just whatever works

Unrelated String

as in...?

12:34 AM

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Q: Bigram frequencies in text

Introduction This challenge is about producing a code to count the frequency of bigrams in a text. This is super useful in cryptography. In a brute force algorithm, this code may be called many times and as a result, must be optimised to run quickly. Challenge Challenge is in Python 3 and uses N...

fastest-code python cryptography

What's up with ^? Is it an okay challenge?

It's well-written but strict...

And half looks like a homework problem

Idk what to say, someone else can deal with this

caird coinheringaahing

It could do with a bit of loosening of the rules (e.g. restricting to numpy will make the code naturally slower), but otherwise its mostly ok

As for being a homework question, there's no real way to be sure, and I prefer to err on the side of caution and assume good faith

True. On second thoughts, it's missing a lot of the hallmarks of a homework questoin, it's probably not.

caird coinheringaahing

@thejonymyster try { run_main_program(code, inputs) } catch {error}?

Yeah, the rickroll makes me think it isn't

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah.

12:44 AM

@NewPosts ← CMC

im sorry, i must have been reading something while typing

i meant comments lol

is there a standard way to remove comments while interpreting code

Btw, what's the deal with cryptography and encryption?

not errors >_<

caird coinheringaahing

12:58 AM

@thejonymyster if (token == comment_start) { while (token != comment_end) { token = next_token } }

assuming you've tokenised the code

caird coinheringaahing

1:11 AM

@Adám Jelly, 13 bytes ØAp`ṡ2ċɗ@€s26

Nice.

caird coinheringaahing

The full song is a bit too long for the permalink and chat :/

Really? tio.run/…

caird coinheringaahing

With the lang link + code, yeah :/

Comes to 543 characters, chat's limit is 500

kA:Ẋƛ⁰$O;₄ẇ

Last 3 bytes can be removed if returning a flattend matrix is acceptable

caird coinheringaahing

1:15 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Jelly needs a way to count substrings, ċ only works on characters :/

@emanresuA I can't read that. Feel free to explain if you want.

Uppercase alphabet, cartesian product with self, map count in input, slice into length 26 rows.

Easy. Nice.

kA:Ẋƛ⁰$O;₄ẇ
kA          # Push the uppercase alphabet [A-Z]
  :         # and then push it again
   Ẋƛ       # over each item n in the cartesian product of those two items:
     ⁰      #     push the original input
      $O    #     and get the count of n in that
        ;   # end map
         ₄ẇ # and wrap that in chunks of length 26

^ if you want a token-by-token explanation

Thanks.

Redwolf Programs

1:21 AM

@emanresuA I mentioned that a little while back

It'd been suggested to ask on meta for encryption to be synonymized with cryptography, but I was too lazy to do so

Link?

Redwolf Programs

Oct 9 at 23:40, by Redwolf Programs

Can we make encryption a synonym of cryptography?

TIL salted caramel wasn't invented until the late 20th century

@emanresuA kA:Ẋ$vO₄ẇ works for 9

because for some reason, explicit vectorisation actually works in that instance

Oof :p

Redwolf Programs

1:36 AM

Evil idea: A screensaver where the little box is arranged so that it just bounces back and forth between two opposite corners

That is evil

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah, tokenizing is the thing i do not know how to do yet ^_^ im probably doing it bad xd

Redwolf Programs

1:59 AM

So...I have an unopened pair of those apple wired airpod thingies they used to include with iphones. It includes a headphone-to-lightning converter. So what I'm wondering is...why couldn't they have put a headphone jack on the thingy itself so you'd use the adapter, instead of just putting lightning on it too (which is what they did). So you can't use it with other phones and/or laptops.

Wonder if it'd be worth it to buy a lightning to USB-C converter and chain it to a USB-C to headphone one.

> wired airpods

yes

^

Redwolf Programs

That's basically what they are lol

well if they're wired airpods, just turn on the wireless mode by cutting the cords

5

apple doesn't want you to know this, but doing so instantly inserts Bluetooth technology inside the earpods

Redwolf Programs

Wonder if I could get my doctor to inject a covid vaccine into it

To upgrade from bluetooth to 5G

2:02 AM

Lol

@RedwolfPrograms that's just silly

by doing so, you get back to the problem of not having a way to connect them to your phone/device

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms But seriously, I might do this

idk much about connecting that sort of stuff. I just use my wireless headphones

Redwolf Programs

I don't listen to enough stuff for headphones to be a smart investment

Although in a few years I'll probably need some since then I'll be going to college and I don't need my roommate judging me for my meme choices

they don't have to be those high quality make the audio 69x better trendy brand type

just wireless

Redwolf Programs

2:05 AM

I should just get airpods so it can smell like broke in here

okay zoomer

side note: Binary Search Trees are cool until you start having to deal with encapsulation and a lack of lambdas/functional programming in C++98

Just transpile Vyxal to C++ and hand that in!

bruh the assignment is due in 6 days, not 2 years

Use a Python-to-C++ tool then

bruh the assignment is due in 6 days, not ~~2 years~~ 6-8 months

2:11 AM

@NewPosts I'm temtped to answer in transpiled Vyxal

do it

it'd be funny

Gonna make it a little efficient tho

You're lucky it isn't code golf

Python-to-C++: hardcode Python code as string, link against CPython and run it as Python

otherwise your submission would be at least 700k bytes

@lyxal I say 6-8 months, because I would not trust 2.4.1 transpiled code, meaning i'd be waiting for 2.6 to be finished

2:15 AM

For a second I thought you're talking about Python version

Redwolf Programs

Hmm, the only way I can figure out to plug a lightning cable into an audio port requires three separate converters

Lightning to USB-C, USB-C to audio, and audio male-to-male

Costing a total of...$40

Might as well buy wireless headphones for that much >:|

And somehow the main site went down

Not for me... Is it back up for you now?

Then it's corporate firewall going crazy I guess :/

Even downforeveryoneorjustme.com doesn't open

So I can't check if it's down for everyone or just me, literally

user image

2:28 AM

Thanks lol, except that the image is also broken on my pc rn

On the phone everything loads fine

    ~7SUAP}=`    ``                          `75*              `;zSU6Ef!`                                  `*SUU~ *5z`                                   ~TaUAkt!`   ```                ```
  .6@Qa7TfN@Q!  ~@@;                         `#@U             =B@QwJzj%@Q?                                 \@@J;. k@&`                                 `w@Qmz\{Q@%,  v@@;               q@b
  =@@Y    `iI+ ?q@@Ka,  ~Jw6Uai'   `*yXUwz~  `#@U  `|av.     *@@m`     y@@i ^ay,   .}a<  ^}kUEt;   =a{;jU^j#@@Xa, k@&`  .<jXUai,  ;a5,  'jaL   \a|     !@@5    ,tI~.f8@@qa,  ~JwUXj+` ;aQ@QSz`'aa;   ,aa;  ,\SUUmv,

Might need a... quite big screen for this one

Redwolf Programs

What is it?

Frick, literally every website I use to slack off doesn't work

@RedwolfPrograms Ascii art version of above image

Redwolf Programs

Doesn't render right for me then

2:33 AM

@Bubbler Does data:text/html work?

@RedwolfPrograms Hm, that's weird

Redwolf Programs

@emanresuA It does

Sorry, wrong reply

Redwolf Programs

There's some sort of weird text wrapping

I think

Despite there being a horizontal scroll bar

Nah, it's because there's < in the text that gets sanitiesed

user image

VS Code was nice enough to throw some colours in

it thinks it's written in markdown

2:37 AM

Well, better markdown than polish...

3

Redwolf Programs

2:47 AM

Why isn't there a "misinformation" option when reporting a YT comment

Like...if someone posts "giving away free bitcoin, send $1k to this address and I'll double it", what am I supposed to report it as...

And why is "child abuse" a whole separate option...can't that go under "harassment or bullying" or something? And what sort of comment could even fall under that category?

3:06 AM

CMQ: What does the addition program for Plumber look like?

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    []=][]=][[=]][
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Looks sorta like a sailing ship to me

It kinda looks like spamton

i see the ship

Is that a deltarune reference?

yes

@RedwolfPrograms it's probably taken more seriously than the broader harassment? idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

3:24 AM

@emanresuA That still looks so wrong to me since I wrote it horizontally mirrored :p

I do see the sailing ship

3:49 AM

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Q: Build the stove controller (physically)

Challenge Build the Wheat Wizard's stove using 2-input NAND gates. The solution with the fewest NAND gates wins. Externally, it works in the following way: (the first line is added from the original spec for physical output) It has 10 levels, from 0 to 9. The display has 9 lights, and if the cur...

atomic-code-golf logic-gates

4:08 AM

@emanresuA hand?

@user well i had made a mistake before: 4² will give 2 instead of 16. x ** 1 / 2, (operator precedence)

2 hours later…

6:11 AM

CMC: Compute the nth term of A000796

unless that question belongs to main already

6:25 AM

@PyGamer0 dupe

7:18 AM

How about a linear equation solver question over the integers? Suitable?

the main problem is Mathematica built ins but maybe that’s ok

7:35 AM

what am i doing lol

i have been seeing too much golfed code recently ig

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Nega-Zeckendorf representation code-golf integer binary encoding fibonacci Background Zeckendorf representation is a numeral system where each digit has the value of Fibonacci numbers (1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, ...) and no two consecutive digits can be 1. Nega-Zeckendorf representation is an extension t...

@Anush Linear equation over integers is just linear equation with an extra integer-ness check

@Anush Also, don't ask challenge ideas in chat, just write a sandbox draft. You can simply throw it away if the feedback is negative

7:51 AM

feedback?

Personally I don't like lookup table stuff, but looks mostly fine

though I'd further clarify "any consistent casing of your choice" to a few choices like all lower, all upper, first upper and second lower

Someone's probably going to find a clever trick involving hashing

IMO hashing has been overdone already

8:07 AM

Agreed

"Oh, but I'm using SHA-27304983215947625981732169672834679218, a new hashing algorithm that happens to return the valency given an element"

8:36 AM

apparently amazon says: 74ls00 is INR 74, and when i go to the usual website where i buy electronics from, it is INR 14.

scam

@Adám Charcoal, 10 bytes: ＩＥαＥα№θ⁺ιλ

tio.run/…

1 hour later…

9:46 AM

@Bubbler I am not sure that's right

@Bubbler :( I have always enjoyed talking to people about challenge ideas. The sandbox is a really bad place to have a conversation

but I will post to the sandbox as well

10:01 AM

Does anyone understand the wolfram language? tio.run/##y00syUjNTSzJTE78/… gives no output for me

@Anush -print

'night

@Adám oh wow. Thank you!

I had no idea you would need -print

@emanresuA night

10:25 AM

@Anush I assumed a system of equations, but the general solution for single equation with 4 variables is the same: linear combination of 3 nonplanar vectors.

For the record, LLL doesn't help solving it in the first place. It takes one such set of vectors and refines it to a better one

@Bubbler rak1507 had a trick I think to use LLL I think. But most languages won't have LLL built in so it's not too important

@Bubbler yes. I guess that's not too trivial in most languages

caird coinheringaahing

10:59 AM

@Anush Or just wrap it in Print[ ... ]

@cairdcoinheringaahing thanks. I have much to learn

11:25 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Solve linear equations over the integers Input 4 integers w, x, y, z. Output The general solution to the equation \$ aw+bx+cy+dz = 0 \$. Output format Your output should consist of four parts, one for each of the values a, b, c, d. Let me explain by example: Input: -118, 989, 918, -512 Output: b...

that was fast!

caird coinheringaahing

Sandbox Posts and New Posts are near instant now :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing :) We have had an upgrasion!

caird coinheringaahing

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Q: Should we replace The Nineteenth Byte's feeds?

The Nineteenth Byte, our main chat room, has some feeds. These post new challenges, meta questions, sandboxes posts, and some other assorted things. Unfortunately, they're kinda slow. New Main Posts and New Sandboxed Posts often take between ten and twenty minutes, and New Meta Posts can take up ...

discussion status-completed chat rss

1 hour later…

12:34 PM

any feedback on this? Are there any issues with it and/or is it just kinda lame? Either case is fine, I wouldn't want to put out a boring challenge even if nothing was technically wrong with it per se

oops, room activity graph says im a bit early haha

Looks fine to me, I'd just recommend using any three distinct non-whitespace characters for boxing drawing instead of forcing +-|

> Boxing drawing

Very good job me excellent spelling 10/10

if you switch it around, its actually fine

drawing boxing works cause you can noun "boxing"

actually, it works both ways

boxing drawing, the drawing of boxings

Sounds like it's time to leave for me then because I'm very close to not making sense and being incjeowncemt and or incapable of making sense, even with the help of autocomplete

That should say incoherent, but you get the point

o/

o\

Aaroneous Miller

/o

1:04 PM

^[

1:18 PM

is that one of those escape code things

Aaroneous Miller

The fact that this works makes my job a whole lot easier.

oh thats SO good

keeping that in my brain for future use

Synthetic biology

Synthetic biology (SynBio) is a multidisciplinary area of research that seeks to create new biological parts, devices, and systems, or to redesign systems that are already found in nature. It is a branch of science that encompasses a broad range of methodologies from various disciplines, such as biotechnology, genetic engineering, molecular biology, molecular engineering, systems biology, membrane science, biophysics, chemical and biological engineering, electrical and computer engineering, control engineering and evolutionary biology. Due to more powerful genetic engineering capabilities a...

Redwolf Programs

That's tricking calculations into doing viruses, not the other way around

I have utmost respect for whoever spray painted "Joe Daddy" on the sidewalk outside my school

Aaroneous Miller

@AaroneousMiller In one of my esolangs, the only loop is going to be a for loop, but you can add values for the loop to iterate over, hopefully allowing for arbitrary loop lengths.

Redwolf Programs

1:30 PM

Any feedback on Genetic Quines? Any tags you'd recommend, other than code-challenge and quine?

@AaroneousMiller I've considered doing that with mutable arrays

So you'd just append something to the array in each iteration

@RedwolfPrograms Oh nvm

It's a part of the article that's linked

> Subsequently, researchers utilized this paradigm to demonstrate a proof-of-concept therapy that uses biological digital computation to detect and kill human cancer cells in 2011.

The future has been here for 10 years now :p

Aaroneous Miller

@RedwolfPrograms generation?

Redwolf Programs

That's the worst tag I've ever seen

What is the point of it

CMBurninateRequest: generation

Aaroneous Miller

@RedwolfPrograms ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

We already have code-generation for code generation

Would highly recommend reading this paper

Aaroneous Miller

1:47 PM

This question mentions that it is on-topic on main according to consensus, but I wonder if it should be on meta anyway, since that is where questions like that typically are, and it feels like that would make more sense.

I know meta is the first place I would look for questions like that.

What do y'all think?

Redwolf Programs

That should definitely be a meta question I think

Although it depends. I think challenge-writing is also supposed to include writing non-CGCC challenges

I wonder if plagiarising a document on plagiarism is ironic enough that it's not illegal

any thoughts about codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/… ?

I can add more examples

2:03 PM

@RedwolfPrograms reminds me of that one like, idk what annual sports game lets say fifa, where the review opens up with like "They basically released the exact same game as they did last year, so were publishing the exact same review."

and then the entire review of the previous installment copy pasted

Redwolf Programs

lol

Aaroneous Miller

@Anush that link just goes to the sandbox. did you mean to link here?

Redwolf Programs

Oh no...conspiracy theories on SE again

Frick oneboxing

caird coinheringaahing

@AaroneousMiller main is for questions about code golf and coding challenges. While they're nowhere near as common as actually challenges, questions about writing those challenge are on topic for main

Aaroneous Miller

2:19 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Right, I know that it's on-topic, I just didn't know if it would be a better fit for meta instead. I just thought I'd point it out and see what you guys who actually know what you're doing thought about it.

@thejonymyster yes

2:36 PM

@AaroneousMiller especially since it seems to be jumping off from a post that /is/ in meta

Redwolf Programs

Y'know what, I'm finally doing it. I'm changing my default in google docs from 12pt Calibri to 11pt Roboto

Redwolf Programs

3:06 PM

TIL I'm taking the PSAT tomorrow

Aaroneous Miller

We should place bets in the form of bounties on what score Redwolf's going to get on the test. /hj

Redwolf Programs

I got a 1420/1440 on the 8th grade one

(1)420 nice

hello sir yes idd like one four twenty please

its for my marijuana pipe, you see

you can do it red wolf youre a smart :-)

dumb challenge idea: Naive code-golf, you have to do X but your code is only scored on printable/visible characters (so white space gets score 0 ofc but thats besides the point)

Redwolf Programs

We've had a similar challenge before I think

bless, i think its a good joke

Redwolf Programs

3:13 PM

> As a food, the prairie turnip has been described variously as a "delicacy," "tolerably good eating," or "tasteless and insipid."

Quite the range of opinions

There's a citation after that from someone named "Barry Kaye" but it only had the last name and I read it as "Kanye"

oh kanye and his opinions

Aaroneous Miller

@thejonymyster that could potentially give Vim a pretty good score

Redwolf Programs

You could probably use spaces and tabs to encode lots of information in JS/Python/other languages and convert that into a string to eval

that exactly what i wanna see tbh

Redwolf Programs

Sandbox it!

3:18 PM

i guess my only concern is like, a particularly short answer with no unprintables could just as easily do better than anything lol

Redwolf Programs

Make it a very difficult challenge to solve succinctly then. Maybe a kolmo or something.

it could potentially devolve into "Write the shortest code possible but youre allowed to use whitespace freely so have fun with newlines n stuff"

ooh ok

smart

dilemma though

Aaroneous Miller

@thejonymyster It'd still be fun to see how we can lower our score in other languages, e.g. a longer Vim score might do better by using unprintables in a roundabout way

nod :o

Redwolf Programs

About to post Genetic Quines

3:20 PM

yesss >:)

been hyped for that

Redwolf Programs

Hey, could it count as source-layout maybe?

if i sandbox without the specific challenge already specified, it will look dumb and stupid i think,
but if i come up with a specific challenge and its not good, itd be weird to change it drastically

Redwolf Programs

Aw man, "Genetic Quines" is too short D:

aw what

Redwolf Programs

I guess "Write some Genetic Quines" then

3

2

1

3:22 PM

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Q: Write some Genetic Quines

In this challenge, you'll create some programs which behave similarly to genes. When you run one, it will return one of its two "alleles" (a half of its source code), and concatenating any two alleles from your programs will result in a new, functioning program (which returns its own alleles). As...

code-challenge quine source-layout

uhh the image

didnt image

@RedwolfPrograms redwolf your imagen't'd

Redwolf Programs

Fixedednty

ah there it is lol

ty

Redwolf Programs

I'm trying to think about how you'd do this in a practical language. You'd probably need each allele to be a payload-capable quine, then have each one have a 50% chance of returning itself, and follow it with some sort of code that would chain with the start of the second allele to make it return otherwise, and do nothing at the end of the second allele

are there any tips up about writing a good kolmo? i have no idea what id do for that

i guess in general i dont know what would be an interesting challenge for unprintable chars lol

i just know i like the framing, but that isnt enough to work with at my level >.< lol

Redwolf Programs

3:32 PM

You'd probably just pick a fairly long document or fairly large image, and have the answers output that

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

In 1960 Andrey Kolmogorov conjectured that any algorithm to multiply two integers would require \$\Omega(n^2)\$* steps. Within a week of presenting this conjecture it was proven false by graduate student Anatoly Karatsuba. Karatsuba's algorithm is an algorithm to multiply two numbers which takes...

Redwolf Programs

Seems like it would be more boring than a harder actual-challenge though, since you'd be encoding the info itself with whitespace rather than code

So maybe a really tricky actual-challenge would be better, although those are hard to come up with

right, lol

and then you get to "so why have the whitespace thing then"

Redwolf Programs

Well because it makes it interesting :p

id think a tricky actual-challenge would (have to) be interesting on its own lol

Redwolf Programs

3:36 PM

It would be, yeah, but this doesn't detract from the interestingness in any way, it just adds on to it

oh true

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Scrabble Word Finder Yes, I know there is a similar question, but this one specifically concerns any possible words, even with letters left over, while the linked one restricts to a permutation of the input Objective Have you ever had those moments in a Scrabble game where you're staring at you...

ill start brainstorming, but i did just have one off the fly idea

well let me make sure it doesnt exist first lol

Redwolf Programs

There's a similar one for abusing a rule about counting characters instead of bytes

maybe worth crosslinking, but id say thats different enough

plus if the challenge itself is different and interesting too, itd probly be fine

hm, i cant actually tell if its been done but, fizzbuzz but for all primes? itd be prime checking and string generation ig, i wonder if thatd be interesting enough

Redwolf Programs

3:43 PM

Probably not

@thejonymyster a large part of fizzbuzz is combining the fizz and the buzz, but with primes, there would only be fizz

i dont follow

i meant like

instead of just 3 and 5, any prime

i guess itd be just prime factorization though, but instead of the factors, strings

eg 1 fizz buzz fizz foo fizzbuzz bar fizz buzz fizzfoo

but yea, i can probably do better

sorry I misunderstood

Redwolf Programs

What about implementing one of the more complicated KotH answers you can find (and get permission to use)? Those tend to have lots of interesting stuff, and can get super complex.

@Wezl no worries, i can see where my language could have been clearer anyway :-)

@RedwolfPrograms getting permission sounds boooooooooring :P maybe lol

im trying to formulate the words for my hesitation on that idea

3:57 PM

@RedwolfPrograms I think I may ave just broke your challenge. :P

Redwolf Programs

Lol. I should have thought more about how the alleles could all just be the same but with some number or letter changed :p

So the penalty/bonus is basically nonexistant, but that wasn't the main focus anyway I guess

what is your score, btw grain ghost?

0

Or I can get as close to zero as I want by adding more programs.

Redwolf Programs

No, just over 98

It's only the bonus/penalty that decreases to be effectively 0

Oh that's a bonus.

4:00 PM

oh right

The scoring section is a little confusing.

Redwolf Programs

It is, yeah. I tried a few ways of wording it and that's the best I could figure out.

> Your score will be the average byte count of all of your alleles, plus an amount...

Redwolf Programs

Your score is 98.0000029206276 :p

I might be able to get that a little higher by adding 2 allele programs.

idk

I'm not really interested in finding otu.

4:02 PM

lower is better though :P

Since I never really golfed the program in the first place.

well gg, G.G.

4:19 PM

Ok well I realized I had a very silly bug which added a lot of bytes to fix. But now the score is within floating point error range of the allele size.

5:03 PM

@AaroneousMiller yes thank you. I'll try again in a bit b:)

Redwolf Programs

Idea: A language where basically everything is a dictionary, except one value that isn't and errors with the typical dictionary operations.

Even better, name it almost identically to an existing language so it confuses people.

And then make the type system super weird, and have primitives that are still sort of dictonaries but not really, but they don't cast the way you expect they would

JeIIy

(but sans serif)

Redwolf Programs

I'm just describing JS and waiting to see how long it takes someone to notice :p

4

lmao

Wezl programs redwolf

5:34 PM

@RedwolfPrograms wow, this is the best language idea ever. We should package it with all complete web browsers before testing it on different platforms

Redwolf Programs

And have a bunch of people add more features specifically because the other one doesn't have it, so that the standards are inconsistent for a decade and backwards compatibility is a complete nightmare

5:46 PM

@RedwolfPrograms You completely omitted the red vs blue functions feature!

Redwolf Programs

Because I see nothing wrong with JS's async

I used a markov chain on five songs and it gave me this

gist.github.com/RedwolfPrograms/…

idea: gather up a group of practical languages. Split into two teams. team one builds a new language using the best features of the languages given. team two builds one out of the worst features

So for the bad, e.g. you want verbosity of built-ins as in Java, but entirely spelled with non-ASCII symbols, like APL.

yes :-)

Aaroneous Miller

@Adám Specifically, we use symbols that don't render for most fonts.

5:55 PM

@AaroneousMiller Do any languages do that?

Ah, Mathematica. Right.

But you'll end up with contradictions in the good. E.g. you'd want mnemonic Unicode symbols of APL, with ASCII-easy typeability.

You'd want full control over memory from C, while you don't need to worry about memory management from various interpreted languages.

why contradict when you could simply have both

Neat whitespace flow from Python with whitespace insensitivity from many other languages?

ok that breaks i suppose

wait, do people like significant whitespace

Some apparently do.

How about easy line continuation from C etc. while line breaks end statements from, say APLs.

Braces AND EndXYZ keywords‽

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