The Nineteenth Byte

3:02 PM

so i will add a -c flag to 51AC8 which stands for get confused as it will reverse the stack everytime a command is processed

Aaron Miller

in Vyxal, Jun 18 at 23:10, by lyxal

If there was meta consensus that flags were a part of the byte count, I'd make a whole bunch of branches that are the equivalent of having flags

Redwolf Programs

Oh, nice

Thanks for finding that!

Aaron Miller

np

PyGamer0

is there an online editor that is just used for editing and no special things like bolding and etc and has a monospace font?

caird coinheringaahing

TIO

PyGamer0

3:05 PM

only for editing

Redwolf Programs

Just use data:text/html, <html contenteditable><body style="font-family: monospace">

user

genius

PyGamer0

@RedwolfPrograms yoo thx

it works on mobile also

Aaron Miller

The official Vyxal response to flag criticism

Jun 18 at 23:08, 12 minutes total – 22 messages, 1 user, 1 star

Bookmarked Jun 18 at 23:21 by lyxal

PyGamer0

@RedwolfPrograms how do i change the background to #343434 and foreground to #eeeeee

Redwolf Programs

3:09 PM

Just add background-color: #343434; color: #eeeeee;

So data:text/html, <html contenteditable><body style="font-family: monospace; background-color: #343434; color: #eeeeee;">

user

Okay, I need y'all to see this and suffer with me

PyGamer0

@RedwolfPrograms doesnt work :(

caird coinheringaahing

> 3D Stacked Scatter Pie Columns.

what in the what?

Redwolf Programs

@PyGamer0

data:text/html, <html contenteditable><body style="font-family: monospace; background-color: %23343434; color: %23eeeeee;">

(forgot to escape the #s)

user

@user Whoever made this has transcended

Aaron Miller

3:11 PM

@user yes

PyGamer0

@RedwolfPrograms yoo thx

user

3:32 PM

insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/…

Redwolf Programs

Huh

user

I'm kinda surprised APL, Lisp, Objective-C, etc. are so high up there

Redwolf Programs

Also RIP to any PHP devs

user

Didn't expect Clojure and F# at the top

caird coinheringaahing

Good to see we aren't wasting money on PHP dev :P

user

3:33 PM

I think a lot of the languages at the top are just that well-paid because there's fewer devs using them (e.g. Scala)

@RedwolfPrograms Dart: Am I a joke to you?

PHP devs deserve it anyway /s

Every computer science teacher: You need to learn Java, it's one of the most important languages there, you won't get a good job without it!
Java:

Redwolf Programs

Dang, COBOL's more hated than VBA

caird coinheringaahing

@user I don;t see Husk there, how will I know how much I'd get paid to learn it?

user

PyGamer0

@user lol java 5th last

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Haskell's there, it's basically just Husk with the --verbose flag :P

pxeger

3:36 PM

Why is Clojure so far ($14,000) ahead of the rest!?

user

Because very few devs use it maybe

caird coinheringaahing

@user Good to see that Matlab is getting the hate it deserves :P

user

I'm also surprised about languages such as F#, Elixir, Erlang, and Scala making it there, honestly

Redwolf Programs

Poor delphi, the most unwanted language

APL's in 4th for least wanted lol

user

Alexa Presentation Language :P

Redwolf Programs

3:37 PM

user

Oh wow, I expected Groovy to do better

It's really quite a Groovy language, idk why it's so far down

caird coinheringaahing

It was big in the 70s, but it's sort of died out now

user

lol

caird coinheringaahing

Saturday Night Fever was actually one of the first films about programming :P

user

Poor mobile devs (scroll down to scatterplot)

Redwolf Programs

4:00 PM

Ugh, what kind of horrible person starts an existing answer bounty but doesn't say what answer it's for :p

user

Shameless self-promotion

Redwolf Programs

hehe

user

?

Redwolf Programs

I put a reward existing answer bounty on it and didn't put a description

user

Hypocrite :P

caird coinheringaahing

4:03 PM

Guess Shadow's going to be confused :P

Redwolf Programs

I got like 700 rep off of the magic wand, might as well mess with people with it :p

pxeger

that's

user

so

pxeger

genius

@user lmao your message came just at the right time

caird coinheringaahing

Tbf that's what I do whenever I get close to 3k on MSE, I just set bounties on feature-request that I want

user

4:05 PM

Come on pxeger, you should've let someone else play Ouija! :P

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Then usually let the bounty expire, unless there's some action actually taken on it :P

Speaking of, I have one that's expiring soon :P

Adám

Even for a survey‽

caird coinheringaahing

Why is that even an option? :P

Redwolf Programs

I mean i recommended a friend fill out the survey who hadn't used SO, though I don't think they did

Aaron Miller

:thonk:

user

4:07 PM

Good, never thonk your friends

Redwolf Programs

much spellong

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing to weed out people who are just clicking completely at random?

Redwolf Programs

Dang, I really wish I hadn't lost all the files on my old laptop's SSD

Aaron Miller

F

user

Don't you mean C:? :P

Aaron Miller

4:14 PM

A:

Redwolf Programs

Ooh, I just designed a really elegant rabbit farm in Minecraft

No redstone, just a fence, four trapdoors, a dozen blocks of cobble, and a water bucket

Actually the water bucket's not even needed

pxeger

5:05 PM

@user nope, it was a Chromebook I believe

(@RedwolfPrograms can you confirm?)

user

5:25 PM

It was a joke

John Dvorak

6:07 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing to weed out comedians

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger No, Linux

pxeger

oh, well still, it doesn't have a C: drive lol

Redwolf Programs

~~That's what you think~~

user

7:00 PM

Wine?

Redwolf Programs

No, just a joke :p

A username

7:35 PM

Hi

@RedwolfPrograms If you have two rabbits standing on the fence, sorry, it's been done before.

Great minds think alike

Although I doubt anyone would use it for rabbits

caird coinheringaahing

8:14 PM

Jul 28 at 17:00, by caird coinheringaahing

Ooh, I just hit 40k \o/ :D

Again :P

user

8:50 PM

Congrats!

Aaron Miller

lol @Ausername I just realized how messy you are :p

caird coinheringaahing

All answers here are either elegant works of art, or hacked-together messes. There is no in between :P

Redwolf Programs

10:07 PM

@Ausername Looks like I found something new then, I had 8 rabbits :p

caird coinheringaahing

10:40 PM

ಠ_ಠ I hate the nether. Managed to get half-iron and a lit portal in <5 minutes, then spent 1hr 30 looking for a fortress, getting blaze rods and trading, and I still only have 7 eyes

Redwolf Programs

You either find a fortress immediately, or it takes two hours and you die ten times

caird coinheringaahing

I'm trying to "pseudo-speedrun" (aka do things quickly rather than slowly), so I didn't die. Took ages to find a fortress tho :/

The overworld seed is crazy good tho. 2 villages (one blacksmith), a desert temple and a ruined portal all within like 100 blocks of spawn, plus you get enough obsidian in the chests to complete the ruined portal

Redwolf Programs

That's indeed crazy good

Better than most FSG seeds I've seen

caird coinheringaahing

Seed is 7608710735912671845 on Java if you want to check it out :P

Underslash

@cairdcoinheringaahing wdym by "psuedo" speedrun? like an informal, try to do it somewhat fast?

Unrelated String

10:53 PM

> aka do things quickly rather than slowly

caird coinheringaahing

@Underslash Like, I'm 2 hours in and on my way to the stronghold :P

Underslash

well that describes a speedrun as well

instead of a speedrun, is it a speedwalk?

caird coinheringaahing

So I would've lava-pool-portal if I had to, didn't bother with gathering armour before going into the nether etc. I got Stone Age when a piglin gave me blackstone :P

@Underslash Yeah, I suppose that's a good term for it :P

lyxal

@user being normal is overrated

Redwolf Programs

Not when your language is many people's first introduction to golfing languages

lyxal

10:56 PM

Y'all forgetting the other languages that have flags

Japt, Keg and Pip to name a few

caird coinheringaahing

One of those was made by you

lyxal

Yes

Yes it wad

*was

Yet you never see people complaining about keg flags

Because keg doesn't win enough for people to notice

It's only when people notice flags that they take offence

Redwolf Programs

Exactly, you made a good language then cheated to make it """better"""

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing I have now found 4 villages, 3 desert temples and 4 ruined portals from spawn to someone on my way to the stronghold, this is crazy :P

Redwolf Programs

Japt and Pip aren't known specifically for their flags, though, and I'm sure their designers wouldn't replace them with different forks of the language if flag scoring changed

lyxal

10:58 PM

Flags are completely optional

Redwolf Programs

They still give an advantage to answers which don't use them

If information can be encoded as flags but that's not necessary, it lets slightly more information be encoded in the program itself

But more importantly, when flags are a major feature of the language, you can't seriously expect people not to use them

So "flags are optional" isn't really a valid defense for them

caird coinheringaahing

Murder is optional :P

Redwolf Programs

It's like if someone went around selling grenades to escaped prisoners and telling the police "using them is optional"

lyxal

I only just got up and I really don't feel like ruining my morning by debating flags again. I'll discuss this properly later

Unrelated String

@RedwolfPrograms flags are definitely like the second thing that comes to mind when i think of japt but yeah

caird coinheringaahing

11:05 PM

Flags are the pineapple on pizza of CGCC :P

Adám

Yum.

Unrelated String

^

rak1507

CGCC: allows flags to not be counted
Vyxal: uses flags to gain an advantage
CGCC: how could you do this?!
if you have a problem with the flags, change the rules, don't go after someone for making their golflang more golfy :P

Unrelated String

it's a good rule in general

just... not so clearly in this case

Redwolf Programs

The reason flags are allowed is for stuff like perl's p and Jelly's e/u/n. Vyxal and friends are taking advantage of a good rule.

Unrelated String

11:11 PM

i'd also say that if we add flag scoring back that'll just normalize putting large amounts of code in flags which is an aesthetically nightmarish way of saving a byte or so on something that might otherwise be a separator within the program

whereas that's currently just not allowed since it's equivalent to metagolfscript

Redwolf Programs

One of the options is unfair to some languages and will allow ways to golf things that are very annoying and less fun. The other works perfectly fine, as long as nobody abuses it, which we apparently can't rely on. No win either way :/

Underslash

id say 50% of the flags in vyxal are what would be considered normal flags, and then the other 50% you dont see as often despite them saving a single byte usually

Redwolf Programs

I wouldn't say "normal flags" are a thing

caird coinheringaahing

Jelly's eun style flags are "normal" imo

Unrelated String

^

Redwolf Programs

11:15 PM

Those ones are, yeah

Bubbler

Now I feel guilty for writing a Japt tip about flags...

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms But I know Vyxal has more than 6 flags (unlike Texas) :p

Underslash

the whole goal of code golf is to find short, creative solutions to problems, and flags dont take away from that, as any code they remove could always be added back (which arguably can make solutions less elegant at times)

so if a flag detracts from an answer, just dont use it

Redwolf Programs

Flags do take away from that, by cheating the scoring. If it's so easy to do it without flags, then do it without flags.

caird coinheringaahing

People need to stop qualifying for my bounties while I'm this close to 40k, cause I'm going to hit 40k for a third time soon :P

Underslash

11:19 PM

sometimes it can make an answer less elegant

Redwolf Programs

If you're answer wouldn't be elegant in Jelly or JS or Python, so what? Why should Vyxal or Japt get special treatment?

Underslash

cause vyxal has options?

you make do with the language

Redwolf Programs

The point of code golf is to write short code, not elegant code. Aesthetics should never be prioritized over the integrity of the byte count, imo.

Underslash

i mean, theres a reason a lot of challenges disallow builtins

Unrelated String

do many challenges disallow builtins anymore

caird coinheringaahing

11:21 PM

Those are bad challenges imo

Unrelated String

it's gone out of style because it's just kinda silly

caird coinheringaahing

I've said it before, I'll say it again: if the only way to make your challenge interesting is to ban builtins, your challenge will never be interesting

Underslash

i mean, is it really that interesting to see challenge #89 that can be solved with a 2 byter in jelly / vyxal?

Unrelated String

it's simply answerer ettiquette to also provide what they personally judge to be a non-builtin solution if they would consider their main solution to be just a builtin

Redwolf Programs

@Underslash I don't really see what this has to do with flags

Unrelated String

11:23 PM

^

yeah how did this even come up

rak1507

just let people use metagolfscript if they want and don't upvote it, easy as that

idc what people use, if I don't think it's a good answer I'll just not vote for it

Underslash

the whole point was that "oh no vyxal flags are evil" because they can shave off a byte or two

@rak1507 agreed

Redwolf Programs

It's not because they shave off a byte or two, it's because they give Vyxal an unfair advantage

It's abusing a rule made in good faith to prevent that sort of thing

Underslash

how was that rule made to prevent that sort of thing?

Bubbler

Also, metagolfscript isn't disallowed because flag is silly, it's disallowed because a working implementation doesn't exist

caird coinheringaahing

11:24 PM

@rak1507 Slightly disagree: downvote, don't not upvote. IMO upvoting is for good answers, downvoting is for answers that abuse things and not doing either is the standard

Unrelated String

isn't metagolfscript banned by standard loopholes regardless of implementation

rak1507

fair

Unrelated String

oh wait yeah no that's what you mean

it's that there's no pre-existing implementation of any particular metagolfscript

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler I swear it does tho

Redwolf Programs

Pre-existing languages are allowed

Underslash

11:26 PM

redwolf, correct me if I'm wrong, but you said "The point of code golf is to write short code, not elegant code." by that logic, shouldn't you use every available method of coding in your language to do that, thus using flags in vyxal when needed?

Unrelated String

i think that was still the original argument against metagolfscript

caird coinheringaahing

MGS has a clearly defined spec meaning that given a number representing the MGS being used, you can actually interpret it

Redwolf Programs

@Underslash The point is that Vyxal shouldn't have flags

Unrelated String

we aren't saying don't use flags, we're saying don't have them

caird coinheringaahing

> An empty MetaGolfScript-N program behaves identically to the Nth possible GolfScript program. Programs are enumerated first by size, then by lexicographic order. E.g. program 0 is empty, program 1 contains a single NUL character, and so forth.

Underslash

11:27 PM

and how is that an issue?

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Of course I find a Mending, Efficiency 3 book in the stronghold library

Underslash

many languages lack flags

@cairdcoinheringaahing lol

Redwolf Programs

@Underslash How's what an issue

Underslash

how is other languages not having flags an issue for vyxal?

its like saying, "x random language has some feature that language y doesnt"

and that its unfair that x can do that

Redwolf Programs

Flags are cheating. They aren't just a language feature.

Unrelated String

11:29 PM

but yeah so de jure there is no such advantage because it only competes against itself but nobody actually looks at answers and ranks them just within each language
there's always an aspect of which language is better suited to the challenge, and it gets much harder to judge when there's 10 different variants of one language that only get used when they're better suited than the other 9

Underslash

@RedwolfPrograms why are they cheating though?

what defines a cheating flag

Unrelated String

like, nobody's out there solving everything in vyxal r

caird coinheringaahing

That would be an interesting challenge tho

Redwolf Programs

What I'd consider cheating is outlined here

Basically flags which encode program behavior without costing bytes

rak1507

CGCC: this is allowed for some languages
CGCC: this is cheating for others
ok

3

@RedwolfPrograms lots of flags do that in 'mainstream' langs

the ones you mentioned

Redwolf Programs

11:31 PM

@rak1507 Abusing flags is abusing flags, regardless of the language?

rak1507

either it is an issue, in which case, make new rules to fix it, or it isn't, in which case, shut up about it already :P

Redwolf Programs

The problem is that there's no solution that both fixes it and is fair to other languages

Unrelated String

japt -d isn't even a general purpose language unless you print stuff or whatever i don't actually know how japt works

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 And using them would be flag abuse

rak1507

this whole conversation seems extremely unproductive

Underslash

11:32 PM

if you want to talk about sportsmanship, then you could make a 16 bit codepage and win literally every challenge

Unrelated String

what

what... are you talking about

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString that's a bit harsh

Unrelated String

you
do know we score in bytes

Underslash

yeah ik

Unrelated String

@cairdcoinheringaahing fixed

caird coinheringaahing

11:33 PM

@Underslash That doesn't work: I've made one and it doesn't win every challenge

rak1507

I think their point is that you could have 65536 builtins

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString :)

Underslash

^^

Redwolf Programs

And a 16-bit code page takes a ton of work to make

rak1507

even if each took 2 bytes

Underslash

11:34 PM

yeah it does, but it would win everything

Redwolf Programs

Not necessarily

Unrelated String

if all of your builtins are digraphs then that just means your more frequent ones are also 2 bytes lol

caird coinheringaahing

@Underslash Again, no it doesn't

Underslash

caird

Unrelated String

coming up with thousands of builtins is hard

Underslash

11:34 PM

do you have 65500 commands

Redwolf Programs

Risky has a 4-bit code page, doesn't mean it's half as competitive as one with an 8-bit one

Underslash

in your language

Unrelated String

i remember there was a compressed mathematica language a while back

Redwolf Programs

Sledgehammer

Underslash

@RedwolfPrograms yes its 1/4 as competetive lol

Unrelated String

11:34 PM

yeah

caird coinheringaahing

@Underslash No, I guess not :P

Redwolf Programs

@Underslash ...no?

You can encode just as much information with two 4-bit instructions as one 8-bit instruction

It's just divided up differently

Unrelated String

^

Underslash

look

Redwolf Programs

You can do the math yourself if you want, (2 ** 4) ** 2 == (2 ** 8) ** 1

caird coinheringaahing

11:36 PM

ಠ_ಠ Where's this damn portal room?

Underslash

all im trying to say is the notion of sportmanship is arbitrary

rak1507

this conversation is making me lose braincells

I'm at a serious risk of going negative here

Unrelated String

i feel like before this discussion continues we should make sure we all get that you don't have to have a bijection between individual characters and commands

Redwolf Programs

@Underslash It's not though

Underslash

it is

Unrelated String

11:37 PM

it's arbitrary like anything cultural is

which is to say that doesn't matter

Underslash

you only say its unsportsmanlike that vyxal can use flags because you are comparing byte counts between languages

Unrelated String

yes

Redwolf Programs

I don't see your point

I only consider murder wrong because I consider people dying to be bad

rak1507

languages compete among themselves no? if so, what's the issue?

Unrelated String

in theory

rak1507

11:39 PM

great, so we can all agree this discussion is a pointless waste of time? :P

Redwolf Programs

But we still compare them against each other, and we still have leaderboards, and we still dislike things like metagolfscript

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Nevermind, I died :?

Unrelated String

@UnrelatedString i think i did address that

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 No

Underslash

like, when was the last time answers to challenges were actually accepted? no one does it anymore because the implied competition is always "what is the lowest you can golf this challenge in this language"

not what's the lowest byte count you can get to in any language

rak1507

11:39 PM

@RedwolfPrograms if you dislike something, downvote it

Redwolf Programs

> Although officially an answer which uses flags will not compete with non-flag answers, I doubt anyone who golfs on CGCC would deny that they compare their answers to other languages of a similar golfiness, or that they have some sort of classification of languages' golfiness in their minds. Flags are cheating, if not officially. We still heavily downvote MetaGolfScript answers, despite them also not being cheating under these rules.

rak1507

if you think it goes against the rules, or it should, make new rules

otherwise, don't do anything

Underslash

@RedwolfPrograms then downvote it?

rak1507

I have no idea what the point of this conversation is, what will it achieve? precisely nothing

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 Well if we want to make new rules or discuss flags being bad, that involves discussing it

rak1507

11:40 PM

well it doesn't seem like anyone's discussing making new rules, they're only discussing flags being bad

Underslash

i have literally asked for flags to be counted as bytes and people said no

so /shrug

caird coinheringaahing

I don't think flags should be counted

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 It achieves people...talking? We want to discuss something we disagree about, if you don't care then ignore it

@cairdcoinheringaahing Same

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Underslash

@RedwolfPrograms then wtf are you arguing for

Redwolf Programs

11:41 PM

Flags not being considered an acceptable thing

Underslash

"vyxal has flags, which I dont like, but they shouldnt be counted as bytes"

2

Unrelated String

even if you implement some kind of opt-in flag scoring that just makes things weirder

caird coinheringaahing

I think that if you dislike flags, you are free to do so, and I suggest you vote accordingly. Otherwise, you can live with them and the current rules

Redwolf Programs

I'm saying people should stop using and accepting abusing flags

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms fine, downvote vyxal answers then

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes, exactly this

Underslash

11:42 PM

@RedwolfPrograms but why? its a lower bytecount

rak1507

you can't complain about flags and then say the current situation is completely fine, pick one

Underslash

thats all that matters in the end

Redwolf Programs

@Underslash Yes, and it's cheating.

@Underslash No it is not.

Underslash

@RedwolfPrograms then what matters? elegance? creativity?

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms so vyxal using flags = cheating, other languages using flags = fine?

caird coinheringaahing

11:42 PM

Oh, you're f*ing kidding me. The portal room was behind the door I was about to open before a creeper nuked me

Redwolf Programs

@Underslash The actual byte count of the code, not the byte count minus whatever the flags hide away via cheating

Underslash

@cairdcoinheringaahing feelsbad

Unrelated String

damn

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 No

It has notihng to do with the language

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms so all flags are bad?

Redwolf Programs

11:43 PM

It has to do with the flag

Underslash

so you want no flags?

Unrelated String

it's the language's flags and that the language was designed with those flags more so

rak1507

is ruby's -ne flags cheating?

or -a? it does a lot of work for you!

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing ಠ_ಠ It gets worse: the tunnel I dug straight down to get to the stronghold, if I had been one block to the side, I would've dug into a cave which lead directly to the portal room

Underslash

lets have a thought experiment then, if we had a program with very creative and intricate golfing, but it "abused" a flag to shave off a byte, would you downvote? was the golfing not the more significant aspect? and why not just imagine the code with that extra byte and then be satisfied?

Redwolf Programs

11:45 PM

It sounds like my points are being completely ignored, so I'll go ahead and stop. Please just read this

@Underslash No, I want no flag abuse

caird coinheringaahing

I'm going to just not play Minecraft for the next few days to let my anger subside

Unrelated String

f

Underslash

@RedwolfPrograms I've gotten the gist of it, you say "If you aren't gaining anything by using flags, then why are you using them?" and the answer to that is: "save bytes"

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 I already discussed what flags I consider cheating, and those are the ones that offload actual program behavior, rather than aspects of the interpreter, to flags

@Underslash Not at all what I'm saying

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms seems pretty arbitrary

if you don't like flag answers, downvote them

easy

Underslash

11:46 PM

@rak1507 agreed

Unrelated String

@Underslash the problem is that that dilemma can occur in the first place

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 Can you stop with that

rak1507

I don't like flag answers either

@RedwolfPrograms no :)

Redwolf Programs

Can you please stop dismissing my points like that

You're making a strawman out of this entire conversation

rak1507

if you don't like an answer, downvote it

Redwolf Programs

11:47 PM

I do

rak1507

great! so what's the problem

caird coinheringaahing

This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; Y'all need to chill

Redwolf Programs

(Can someone let me know when the timeout ends, I can't see the timer as an RO)

caird coinheringaahing

All of y'all , go get a glass of water and have a drink and a pause. It's flags for crying out loud, we don't need this level of arguments

Unrelated String

i really like how the timeout timer looks

like that's actually really pleasant to look at lol

caird coinheringaahing

11:48 PM

It is quite cool :P

I think that flags is a topic worth discussing, and I don't want to shut that down. However, this has escalated a bit too much at the moment, so we'll pause the discussion for today and y'all can come back to it later when things are slightly calmer

Underslash

fine by me

Unrelated String

but yeah so honestly my position is that nothing should be done about the current flag situation but as a community we should understand that we should avoid more of it

2

Underslash

onto a different topic

caird coinheringaahing

(Or you can yell at each other in a different room, I don't mind that)

Unrelated String

yeah good idea

caird coinheringaahing

11:51 PM

I support radical pineapple on pizza :P

Underslash

have you guys heard about this minecraft server "diamondfire"?