The Nineteenth Byte

it's more for languages that are good but have too small of a userbase to get some visibility to sort of make it known to the community, like vyxal for example

the mainstream languages like jelly and 05ab1e, not so much :D

lyxal

> It should not be one of our most commonly used languages on PPCG. The point of this event is to bring attention to lesser-known languages. We don't need to bring more attention to Python or JavaScript. Suggested rule of thumb: if there are fewer than 10 PPCG users who regularly golf in this language, it's a good nomination.*

(taken from the nominations post)

hyper-neutrino

so far, all LOTMs in reverse order are Vyxal, Vim, Factor, Whispers, Scala, Rust, Forth, Husk, R, SMBF, Japt, QBasic, MATL, Brain-Flak, and Brachylog

all of which I'd say are still quite uncommonly used languages (comparatively)

And the old version?

included

Oh

2:12 AM

i just looked at language-of-the-month

A username

So for June, Red or possibly plumber.

R is pretty common.

oh hey forest

hey

@forest Proving that LoTM works.

hyper-neutrino

2:14 AM

actually yeah I see R around on codegolf a good amount nowadays

A username

Repetitive song lyric suggestion?

lyxal

baby shark

A username

Been done

lyxal

don't question my sources of knowledge

A username

2:34 AM

Suggestion: [minecraft] tag? There are at least 15 questions...

@hyper-neutrino I am second to you in rep this month

Also this week.

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername nice

my rep gain this year is rather low

it was actually negative until like a month+ ago

A username

@hyper-neutrino How? Bounties?

Razetime

yep bounties do that

I have a -117 change this month for example

A username

Oh Vyxal.

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername yeah i gave out 1.5k in bounties sometime earlier this year and then didn't gain it back cuz i was kind of inactive

lyxal

3:14 AM

@Razetime lol I've had a -392 change

Worth it though

Redwolf Programs

@Ausername I have the data from an excruciatingly detailed search of answers for a different project, I forgot the exact order but I believe Jelly, Python, and JS were the top three

More Python 2 than Python 3 IIRC

A regular SEDE query probably wouldn't give you a very accurace count

I'll run it again in an hour or so and give you a more exact answer

A username

3:52 AM

@RedwolfPrograms Js gang!

Redwolf Programs

Python and JS are probably higher than Jelly, since all of the different versions are counted separately currently so they all appear to be lower than the actual total.

A username

Did you search for ES6?

Redwolf Programs

That was one of the top languages, with over 4k answers, so when you add it to the other high ranking JS ones it's probably the highest

I'll see if I can get some code working tonight to classify versions of the same language as subsets, so that I can get a more complete picture

A username

You could try searching for  or similar.

Redwolf Programs

4:13 AM

Doesn't work for most languages, though

A username

True.

hyper-neutrino

5:01 AM

since when did viewing the transcript join the room?

nvm it's viewing the room info that joins????

nvm i think it's my transcript redirect userscript lol. this thing has honestly caused me way more bugs than anything it would've been worth in the first place

New Sandboxed Posts

5:52 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Generate a Printing Program In Some Language Task Given some rules: 1: Hello 2: World 4: Code 7: Golf 9: Whatever Your program should output a program (the output), which should be a valid program in some language. When the output is run, it should Ask for some input (i), Then output the string...

New Sandboxed Posts

6:16 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Memory KoTH Memory is a game where a bunch of pairs of identical cards are laid upside down, and you try to find pairs while only looking at two at a time. In this KoTH, the way it will work is: The game will be played on a 64x64 grid, and the "cards" will be integers 0-2047. Each bot takes its t...

Razetime

6:29 AM

feedback pls

Wasif

7:19 AM

sup

Razetime

7:36 AM

soup

Wasif

@Razetime hello

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9:18 AM

0

Q: Just Enough Ones

Challenge Given a positive integer \$n\$, count the number of \$n\times n\$ binary matrices (i.e. whose entries are \$0\$ or \$1\$) with exactly two \$1\$'s in each rows and two \$1\$'s in each column. Here are a few examples of valid matrices for \$n=4\$: 1100 1100 1100 110...

StackMeter

Ayyyyyy I won the no E challenge

Neil

10:08 AM

@hyper-neutrino thanks for continuing my half song

Razetime

10:54 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing which one of your languages has the hypergeometric function?

caird coinheringaahing

11:24 AM

@Razetime Whispers v3

Razetime

@cairdcoinheringaahing whats the command for it?

can't find it in the docs

caird coinheringaahing

₂F₁(a,b;c;d)

I need to finish the docs :/

Razetime

oh, it's only for 2F1?

I need 1F1

caird coinheringaahing

Sorry, I don't think any of mine have that :/

Razetime

ah well

caird coinheringaahing

11:29 AM

MATL probably does

Razetime

yes I tried MATL online but it doesn't seem to be working

maybe when I have some time I'll do it on the tio version

caird coinheringaahing

1:46 PM

CMC: Given x and n, return (x)ₙ, the falling factorial. x = 5, n = 3 -> 60, x = 10, n = 5 -> 30240

Razetime

2:03 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing J3lly, 4

caird coinheringaahing

@Razetime A couple more 4 byters :P

hyper-neutrino

I have this 4-byter

same one as one of caird's :P

caird coinheringaahing

There's also 2 more where you take n on the left and x on the right :P

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing does this work for 3 bytes if i take them in reverse order then?

caird coinheringaahing

I think no, as the falling factorial is defined for negative numbers

hyper-neutrino

2:13 PM

aw

then that but _@ instead of the other atom (you know which one i'm talking about :P)

Razetime

2:44 PM

yeah gotcha

this is probably 5 in husk

pxeger

For those who haven't seen it, please read codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/q/22318

6

Thanks for the pin; that's what I was aiming for :)

caird coinheringaahing

Damn, I've been played :P

pxeger

ha

Wasif

3:01 PM

Hello everyone

Are we allowed to move some commands in an esolang to command line flags

rak1507

well vyxal does it so, yes

Wasif

@pxeger why suddenly this (the rules for post flagging)? Has something wrong happened here?

pxeger

@Wasif it's just an FYI to help clean up bad submissions

You'd have to ask @hyper-neutrino, but I don't think it's in response to something wrong in particular

Wasif

@rak1507 I have an idea to move all/most commands to command line flags, is it OK

pxeger

@Wasif in that case, almost certainly no

rak1507

3:04 PM

¯\_(⍨)_/¯

Wasif

What if I count the flags

rak1507

it probably is ok but don't expect many upvotes

caird coinheringaahing

@Wasif IIRC there's been a few NAA flags on invalid answers, so HN's just reiterating the flagging policy

Wasif

Oh i see

hyper-neutrino

yeah caird's correct. basically a couple of invalid submissions have been getting NAA flags which sends them to the VLQ review queue and doesn't show me the flag for an hour

Wasif

3:08 PM

Mostly these messages come up when a bad incident has occurred in TNB, so I asked about that

hyper-neutrino

and during that hour, two people cleared the review task saying it looked okay (because it does look okay), but the answer was later confirmed here by someone else to be invalid

Wasif

I hadn't looked inside the link back then

Hyper-neutrino is 3x faster than me in typing :P

hyper-neutrino

i am speed :p

on a good day i average around 125-130 WPM

not exceptional but reasonably fast ig

caird coinheringaahing

I've never bothered to time myself on w/m, but I'd say I'm a fast typer :P

Wasif

How do you count your WPM?

caird coinheringaahing

3:10 PM

(typist?)

Wasif

Any website which does this

hyper-neutrino

I recommend this one: typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu

it only uses common words so it's less about reading weird words and remembering how to spell them and more about how fast you can actually move your fingers

Wasif

I see slow network could also be the reason of my slow typing

rak1507

monkeytype.com

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino ಠ_ಠ My keyboard just died on me in the middle of doing that :/

hyper-neutrino

3:17 PM

F

caird coinheringaahing

I'm also playing a hardcore minecraft world which I now cannot pause. Had to just dig myself into a hole :/

rak1507

wpm 136 accuracy 100% :P

hyper-neutrino

i'm only getting around 125 right now ;-;

i think my record was 140-ish but that was more of a fluke than anything

just got lucky with not missing any keys

CMQ: with one-handed typing, which hand are you faster with?

rak1507

that was a fluke there I normally get around 100-110

hyper-neutrino

oh lol

rak1507

3:19 PM

@hyper-neutrino right

hyper-neutrino

i just got 52 with right and 54 with left so... probably not much of a difference :P

caird coinheringaahing

3:33 PM

@hyper-neutrino The problem I have with a lot of these sites is that I don't type those words in that order :P I can type sentences faster than just a paragraph of disjointed words, and I can type even faster if I know what I;m about to type (from my thoughts, rather than from a list)

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's true :P play.typeracer.com is good in that case i guess; it gives text excerpts

but even then it's still like

read + type together, not type from what you're thinking

though if you mess up in this one you have to correct it

caird coinheringaahing

That's another thing :P If I mess up, I generally leave it (if it's readable), unless I'm typing something important. And in that case, I don't care about doing it quickly, I care about doing it correctly :P

hyper-neutrino

that too. also, i find correcting myself more difficult in a typing test's UI than if i'm just typing :P

caird coinheringaahing

Clearly the most reliable metric is to just time yourself writing a decently sized document :P

I know that it takes me ~15 minutes to fully write a tag wiki, and they're usually half a page long :P

hyper-neutrino

4:00 PM

well you still have to like

think about what to write :P

there isn't really a good metric for typing speed, tbh, and i don't think it matters that much :P because you either have to also think about what you're going to write, or read and comprehend the words that you need to type (for a typing test)

and if you remove both of these steps and just spam random letters that doesn't work either cuz hguihaseriughilserughluiasgluaehrlgui takes me much less time to type than any legit sentence of that length :P

Razetime

4:30 PM

@hyper-neutrino as Tryndamere once said: "My right hand is stronger than my left"

hyper-neutrino

lol

ok that quote is hilarious tho

without typing meaningful words (just in terms of tapping) my right hand is still significantly faster than my left hand both with single and double tapping :p

Unrelated String

@Razetime "My right arm is a lot stronger than my left arm!My right arm is a lot stronger than my left arm!My right arm is a lot stronger than my left arm!" clips sword through body

Razetime

4:51 PM

@UnrelatedString I must have golfed the quote by mistake

hyper-neutrino

5:30 PM

wait i just realized that if i want to make yuno tacit with the same/similar structure as jelly i can just compile it into jelly itself lol

not sure how well that'd work though. especially if i want to implement TCO

Unrelated String

the tacit patterns aren't hard to implement unless you make them hard to implement

so better to not have to deal with jelly being jelly

hyper-neutrino

true

if i try to do that i'll probably regret it later on :p

Redwolf Programs

5:53 PM

Can someone with over 1k on meta tell me what the breakdown is on the font change announcement?

I want to calculate the controversialness :p

Also, NP seems to be working for main posts, no meta or sandbox posts yet

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

An approximation for factorials of reals One approximation for factorial function of reals is the following function: \$ F_0(x) = \lfloor x \rfloor ! { \lceil x \rceil } ^ { x - \lfloor x \rfloor } \$ The function is less inaccurate for higher values of \$ x \$, meaning that you can get better ap...

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms +278 / -126

Redwolf Programs

Sandbox Posts didn't work :/

@pxeger Thanks!

Controversialness is 57.1

hyper-neutrino

imagine not having the vote breakdown userscript :p

Redwolf Programs

Figured out the problem with SP, it was something stupid

data.a == "answer_add" instead of data.a == "answer-add"

hyper-neutrino

6:05 PM

nice

Redwolf Programs

Now I just need someone to sandbox something

pxeger

I'm on it! :þ

Redwolf Programs

If that works, I'll write up the proposal to move it to TNB, and that'll be the test for meta posts

While I'm at it I'll also ask about some similar topics like:
- Do we need the loophole proposal and deadlineless bounty bots?
- Should we have bots for Hello, world?
- What should the bots be called, and should NMainP and NMetaP be combined?

Almost worked :/

But it didn't onebox

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms TBH I think there should only be one bot account. It might make it difficult to discern what type the post is, but I think it's probably fine (given I never look at which feed posts with the current system; I look only at the title of the onebox)

New Main Posts

4

Q: Optimal addition subtraction chain

An addition-subtraction chain, is a sequence \$a_1, a_2, a_3, ... ,a_n\$, such that \$a_1=1\$ and for all \$i > 1\$, there exist \$j,k<i\$ such that \$a_i = a_j \pm a_k\$. Your task, is given a number \$x\$, find the shortest addition-subtraction chain, such that \$a_n = x\$. Rules You can assum...

code-golf math

Redwolf Programs

6:14 PM

That makes it ambiguous for users with Feed Filter or similar userscripts. I like having NSP as a separate one, but NMainP + NMetaP is fine IMO

@NewMainPosts Your days are numbered, bot

Redwolf Programs

6:25 PM

Does anyone know why this didn't onebox?

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Generate simultaneous equations code-golf random math You've been tasked to write maths exam questions, but you're getting quite bored of coming up with simultaneous equations with integer solutions, so you decide to write a program to generate them. Because this is a school test, the questions m...

Redwolf Programs

@NewSandboxedPosts Show off

I think I know what happened actually

SP was so fast the servers didn't even know the post existed yet to onebox it

Suffering from success :/

hyper-neutrino

lmao

Redwolf Programs

There are a few solutions I can think of, but one of them requires slowing it down by potentially multiple seconds, and the other would involve the post potentially being in the form of a link (and not a onebox) for the duration of that time.

pxeger

7:12 PM

What's wrong with slowing it down by multiple seconds? If the servers don't know it's there, how can anyone else? And why does it even matter if it's 10 seconds slow?

DLosc

7:28 PM

Random thought of the day: Somebody should invent a language called Pup and implement it in Python. Then the interpreter would be pup.py

l4m2

Has anyone been economy cheated by steps of requiring join?

Unrelated String

how does one find the custom fonts userscript that was mentioned like a week ago

pxeger

45

Q: Custom Fonts User Script: Revert or Improve the Font Updates

Recently, Stack Exchange decided to switch to system fonts. For those of you who prefered the old appearance, or would like a different font to appear in code blocks or across the site as a whole, Custom Fonts is a user script I wrote this morning to allow just that. Features Custom Fonts allows ...

script design

Unrelated String

ah

thanks

User script download failed

    Ignoring @match pattern stackexchange.com because: Error: @match: Could not parse the pattern: stackexchange.com

(greasemonkey on firefox)

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing a while ago, you mentioned a proof by Ørjan Johansen that /// is turing-complete. Do you have a link to said proof?

Unrelated String

7:38 PM

@pxeger esolangs.org/wiki////#Bitwise_Cyclic_Tag_interpreter

pxeger

@UnrelatedString Do you want to try my very minimal version? gist.github.com/pxeger/0c5f30d6626c0498a575b5d08621cecc

You can change Noto Sans to whatever font you want

Unrelated String

thanks, will see if it works

pxeger

@UnrelatedString thanks!

Unrelated String

@pxeger thanks!

Neil

8:28 PM

@UnrelatedString who are these people who insist on using invalid URIs?

caird coinheringaahing

@NewMainPosts I have absolutely no idea what this challenge asks for

hyper-neutrino

same lol. it seems like it's well-specified i just have no clue how to interpret

caird coinheringaahing

The entire first line defines the rest of the question, and every time I read it it just doesn't stick :/

hyper-neutrino

8:51 PM

oh

an addition-subtraction chain (ASC) is a sequence of numbers where the first number is 1

and every subsequent number is the sum or difference of two previous (not necessarily distinct) terms

find the shortest ASC ending with the target number

@cairdcoinheringaahing does that explanation help

i think i get it now; i can try rewording again if that doesn't make sense either

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, that helps

hyper-neutrino

\o/

anyway, i see a polynomial (or is it exponential?) brute-force which i think is probably what most people are going for

Unrelated String

@Neil @RedwolfPrograms :P

A username

9:26 PM

This is dead.

No one wants to increase their score.

codegolf.stackexchange.com/revisions/225468/7

caird coinheringaahing

@Ausername It wasn't a good challenge in the first place; I regret posting it

A username

The problem is, after a 0-score answer you can't improve.

There would've been a 6-way tie had it finished.

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I get why it wasn't a good challenge, but not until after I got some answers :/

A username

[minecraft] tag? there are >15 applicable questions

caird coinheringaahing

9:46 PM

But how many are specifically about minecraft mechanics, rather than "inspired" by minecraft? E.g. this doesn't need a minecraft tag

I'd suggest opening a discussion on meta

A username

Ok.

Wzl

"swat the hand" is a fun game to play with your cat, as long as you don't lose

Redwolf Programs

...

Wzl

(I lost)

caird coinheringaahing

@Wzl Have you ever played Slaps? It's basically that but with people :P

A username

9:52 PM

Cats are smarter than dogs - dogs are loyal, cats aren't.

Redwolf Programs

Cats are loyal, but for all the wrong reasons

A username

They want food/water/attention

Wzl

those are good reasons

caird coinheringaahing

So do dogs tbh

Wzl

@Wzl but they really just want a taste of your blood

A username

9:55 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Dogs like you though.

caird coinheringaahing

Only because you give them food/water/attention :P

A username

@cairdcoinheringaahing done

Redwolf Programs

See I have no trouble believing one of my cats would try to eat me alive if I forgot to feed her, but the other one's more like a dog

A username

cog

Or dat

Redwolf Programs

Actually he's just a very, very weird cat in general

caird coinheringaahing

9:57 PM

Cats are either 100% typical or the weirdest motherfuckers you've ever seen, and no in between

A username

Cat: Sleep, eat, get attention, repeat.

Wzl

you removed the fun parts >:/

Redwolf Programs

Y'know how sometimes people in TNB ask what we're listening to? This is why I never answer.

A username

I'm not clicking that.v

Redwolf Programs

It's titled "amo gauss", and it involves a normal distribution with a crewmate face

10/10 would amogus again

A username

9:59 PM

Why

Redwolf Programs

It's the sequel to amogoose

New Meta Posts

1

Q: Tag proposal: [minecraft]

I'm proposing we create a minecraft tag for challenges relating to the game Minecraft. There are currently 15 applicable questions: this, this, and this just to name a few.

feature-request tags

Redwolf Programs

Wow, NMetaP must be sensing that it is about to die soon

A username

It is trying to do as much as possible in its final days...

@RedwolfPrograms Amo gas?

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Plus a pebbleyeet character

Redwolf Programs

10:06 PM

NP appears to work for both main and meta

Waiting for another sandbox post to see if the bug in SP is reproducible

DLosc

10:22 PM

@Ausername Here you go

@cairdcoinheringaahing I dunno, my cat is pretty typical in some ways and pretty weird in others.

A username

Wow

@RedwolfPrograms Here you go

Redwolf Programs

Appears Sandbox Posts is just posting a link pretty consistently.

A username

Ok that is insanely fast.

Redwolf Programs

This means I might have to delay it by as much as multiple seconds >:|

caird coinheringaahing

Add a time.sleep(10), then change it to time.sleep(5) later and claim you halved the execution time :P

(Or whatever the JS version is)

New Sandboxed Posts

10:29 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Make a polyglot generator code-challenge polyglot A polyglot is a program that runs in several languages. Your challenge is to: Choose several languages Create a program or function that takes several integers (one for each language you chose) and returns a program that: Runs in all of those lang...

caird coinheringaahing

NSP is also stepping up it's game :P

A username

3 mins late tho, SP is instant.

Redwolf Programs

JS has no easy way to pause in the middle of a function, unless it's async and you use await new Promise(r => setTimeout(r, 10000))

Plus that's a very inelegant solution

A username

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's a pain.

Redwolf Programs

It'll almost always be much slower than needed, or too fast in rare cases

:p

I'll just steal some code from New Posts (the script not the bot)

John Dvorak

10:33 PM

@RedwolfPrograms alert :P

lyxal

@Wzl I know you didn't mean to do it, but you just made me lose the game. Very sad

Redwolf Programs

@JohnDvorak That function is cursed :p

John Dvorak

😔

Wzl

~~why would I not mean to do it~~

Redwolf Programs

CMQ: Worst accepted/highly-voted answer you've seen on SO?

caird coinheringaahing

10:36 PM

-176

A: Fixing "Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction" for a 'stuck" Mysql table?

I solved the problem by dropping the table and restoring it from backup.

That's the lowest voted accepted answer on SO

Wzl

@RedwolfPrograms this one, it's horrible it has so many upvotes

Redwolf Programs

I swear with browser JS answers you get to pick only one of performance, readability, or browser compatibility.

user

@Wzl lol all I got was an ad

A username

IE is dead

at least

Redwolf Programs

* Almost dead

Still companies and gov'ts using it :/

A username

10:39 PM

Reaching end of support soon

Wzl

@user :O you upvoted it? You added to the upvotes!?

Redwolf Programs

It's still officially supported?

user

@RedwolfPrograms imo there are a lot more horrible highly voted questions than answers on SO

@Wzl Aye kan't spehl

Wzl

CMC: make an esolang called "html with regex"

user

@Wzl Done. It has no instructions. Here's the interpreter _=>throw Error("HTML with regex has no instructions")

Redwolf Programs

10:43 PM

Should I count the number of answers as a factor in how golfy a language is?

For example, should a language than has 7 answers and wins against 5 other languages be considered more or less golfy than one that has 700 answers and wins against 450?

user

More, but how much golfier it should be considered idk

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms less

Those 7 answers could be trivial 1 byte answers to trivial questions (like HW, cat, all those easy challenges)

user

CMQ: In curly brace languages, should braces be on the same line or the line below (or on the same line sometimes and on a separate line at other times)?

lyxal

Same line

Redwolf Programs

Same line

lyxal

10:53 PM

I used to be of the line below way of thinking but I've now learned better.

user

Why? (I agree, just asking for reasons)

lyxal

It looks much neater

And code folding looks better too

Wzl

@user depends :)

Redwolf Programs

CMQ: Curly braces, significant whitespace, or something else?

user

Huh, I actually find the C# way with new lines for braces nicer

Wzl

10:54 PM

@RedwolfPrograms something else

user

@RedwolfPrograms Booth

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms bold of you to assume I have more than one line of code :p

@user go away :p

@user Sam line

@user like this:

10:55 PM

@Wzl What would you suggest (same line for control flow, separate ine for functions)?

@RedwolfPrograms I'm dead serious

@Ausername May I ask why?

A username

separat eline

lyxal

@user you're not dead serious, you're user.

A username

@user Idk, I think it looks better.

Wzl

if (condition)
{ const smt = a;
  const smtelse = b;
  return expr }

user

@Ausername I'm having trouble with this keyboard, okay?

lyxal

10:56 PM

@user because the line is owned by sam

user

@Wzl Oh god

A username

Besides, different line just takes up extra space

Redwolf Programs

Jo King is lucky, they're the only one resistant to "You're not joking, you're ..." comments

lyxal

@Ausername you're lucky that Sam manages your lines

Wzl

@user or:

user

10:57 PM

@Ausername Makes sense

A username

@lyxal Typo

user

@Wzl Please don't let loose any more of that formatting here

A username

@user You're not having trouble with this keyboard, okay?, you're user.

Wzl

if (condition)
{ const ...
; const ...
; return expr
}

Redwolf Programs

Oh no

That's awful

user

10:57 PM

@Ausername Actually, that's my real name (I was named "Original Original Original VI" when I was born, but I changed my name yesterday)

lyxal

@Ausername that's the joke :p

user

@Wzl I saw you do your SML that way, and man is that ugly

It's slightly more understandable with commas, but still

Wzl

grins

user

But actually, if people had started out doing it your way, I would've found the way I do it now repulsive

A username

if(condi
tio
n){cons
t ..
.; c
onst .
..; ret
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x
p
r
}

Wzl

10:58 PM

it's my protest against languages other than scheme/lisp

user

I hate how subjective humans are

@Wzl (Sorry, (I (couldn't (hear (you (through (the (parentheses))))))))

@Ausername I've changed my mind, Wzl's method is beautiful compared to this

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