The Nineteenth Byte

9:02 PM

Why is humans not trying Stack's CMC?

CMC

Ok I give up. Any final feedback before I post?

because it's not that interesting and if everyone goes out of their way to avoid "E" it'll make messages awkward and sometimes difficult to understand which is disruptive

A username

Yes, agreed.

caird coinheringaahing

9:17 PM

Oh cool, I repcapped on MM :D

hyper-neutrino

lol, nice :P

caird coinheringaahing

Somehow, despite have multiple questions on MM with 30+ scores, that's the first time I've done that O.o

hyper-neutrino

wack. i've capped either twice or thrice despite my highest voted post being +21 :P

Wzl

@Ausername we are, we're just getting really high scores :)

Hovercouch

Does anybody know where I can get a high quality version of the CGSE logo? I checked the stackoverflow.design and they don't have it there

(This is for a talk I'm writing)

flawr

9:33 PM

is this high quality enough? cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/codegolf/Img/logo.svg

Hovercouch

I can work with that, thank you!

flawr

I just right clicked the logo and pasted the url of that image:)

Hovercouch

I am not a smart man

caird coinheringaahing

@Hovercouch Out of interest, what's the talk about?

Hovercouch

Esoteric languages

And CGSE is a really big part of that story

flawr

9:40 PM

and what audience is it for?

Hovercouch

I'm talking about code golfing, the advent of golfscript, then 2nd gen golfing languages like Pyth and Jelly, and how TIO really improved the esolang communities

@flawr technically it's for a friend's grad class, but I wrote it for a general audience

A username

Although TIO is slowly dying without Dennis :(

Hovercouch

So history starting with FALSE and brainfuck, into different subcategories like turing tarpits and multicoded artlangs, etc etc. I've been working on it a while, it's almost done and I'm pretty pumped about that

@Ausername D:

A username

@Hovercouch Have you got Piet, Malbolge and Befunge?

caird coinheringaahing

@Ausername As I've said before, all of TIO is open source and available for anyone to run if they wanted to. The issue is that no one really wants to/can :/

Hovercouch

9:45 PM

@Ausername Yup! Piet and Befunge have dedicated sections; there's a Malbolge cameo but I ended up dropped that section because I couldn't get it to work with the rest of the talk, but I'm gonna try writing a companion on Malbolge

A username

@Hovercouch Cool!

@cairdcoinheringaahing /has money/

caird coinheringaahing

@Ausername That too :/

Hovercouch

Also got dives into Shakespeare, Orca, and GolfScript. I tried to write a dive into Hexagony but ran out of time :/

And the Hello World Chef cake, because it's impossible to talk about multicoding without bringing up the Hello World cake

A username

True.

flawr

@Hovercouch Wouldn't intercal count as a much earlier example?

Hovercouch

9:49 PM

@flawr technically it does, but it's really more of a proto-esolang? It didn't really influence later esolangs or the culture, which only really "started" with FALSE (which directly inspired both Brainfuck and Befunge)

flawr

I must admit I haven't heard of FALSE before

A username

@flawr Here

flawr

already reading:)

Redwolf Programs

FALSE hardly even seems like an esolang now lol

Hovercouch

The creator, Wouter van Oortmerssen, has done a lot of really cool stuff. He also did Flatbuffers and is on the core WASM team

Redwolf Programs

10:31 PM

Updated Custom Fonts to 1.2.2, it now works on the main stackexchange.com front page (for some reason it didn't before).

Dang it, someone posted a question right before I fixed NMP :/

Wzl

stackexchange.com was still using arial at first

hyper-neutrino

10:46 PM

surely there's something disallowing this

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Yes, it doesn't complete the challenge as specified

Redwolf Programs

I love how they took the time to patch the literal front page of stack exchange, but didn't even do it right and probably just used ctrl+f to change the property

New Main Posts

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Q: Minecraft piston pushing

In Minecraft, pistons are blocks that can move other blocks. However, they can only move at most twelve blocks, and won't work at all if any obsidian is in the way. Also, slime blocks are sticky and stick to other blocks, except for obsidian. Your challenge Take as input a 5x5 matrix or similar, ...

code-golf

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing do you have a good formal reason for why? i also agree but i can't think of the specific spec/policy to point to in case they challenge my verdict

one thing I note is that an extended piston in Minecraft doesn't move up itself, whereas the challenge requirement is that the P moves up and leaves a blank, which isn't what Minecraft actually does

the other thing i can think of is MC's acceptable I/O

Redwolf Programs

1. Not a byte
2. Probably not an allowed output format

caird coinheringaahing

10:51 PM

@hyper-neutrino That isn't how Minecraft takes input, nor is it how we score Minecraft answers

Redwolf Programs

Ugh, someone upvoted that

caird coinheringaahing

Given that minecraft structures can literally be saved into a file, that's the byte count, not blytes

Honestly, I have to echo Redwolf's sentiment. I expected more from someone with 4k reputation, that's really disappointing to see :/

Redwolf Programs

Is "blyte" even a term used anywhere, or is it just russian swearing disguised as a scoring criterion?

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Minecraft I/O

@RedwolfPrograms Blyte

Redwolf Programs

That answer doesn't even use that term though

caird coinheringaahing

10:55 PM

No, the term was mainly used on main

Redwolf Programs

Ah, ok.

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Implement the ordering monoid Objective Mimic Haskell's (<>) :: Ordering -> Ordering -> Ordering. What's the fuss? This particular monoid is rather useful for comparing sequential containers lexicographically. Format Though Ordering is defined as a three-element enumeration, in this challenge, th...

caird coinheringaahing

Also, "OP never disallowed it." is a term that I don't think I've ever seen used on an actual valid answer, and is basically a flag trigger phrase for me :/

Redwolf Programs

It's been ten years, those sorts of answer are long past when they were funny

lyxal

apprently compressed strings aren't secure passwords for twitch. sad.

Redwolf Programs

11:06 PM

Just waiting for someone to sandbox something or post a question to main or meta

I think my Generic Review Tool script is working, and my NP/SP bots should be as well, which means two more projects are now nearly complete.

hyper-neutrino

11:25 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah true. i mean all i'm going to say is i've seen a pattern of these sorts of not-even-valid purely rule-bending/"clever" submissions from some people; i don't think it'd be appropriate for me to mention anyone or give opinions on users themselves but i do agree with the sentiment here

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah same. honestly if an answer requires you to clarify that "well technically it wasn't explicitly disallowed" it's... probably not allowed, or not in the spirit of the challenge at all, at least.

why is popcornSE named that way anyway lol

recently just installed it; actually totally unrelated to the conversation i had with you caird, i just came across it elsewhere while going down a chain of linked meta posts or something like that, i think

caird coinheringaahing

it's the "lemme just grab some popcorn" meme :P

hyper-neutrino

ah. okay :p

in any case it's much nicer than the moderator flag page we get; that one's sorted by when the message was posted so if a 3 year old message gets flagged it will show up really far down on that list

or rather, since it's not paginated, it won't show up at all, because it just gets cut off

caird coinheringaahing

Wow

Ah crap. I lost the location of my Nether portal in a hardcore world, and now I'm trying to get obsidian from piglins :/

hyper-neutrino

anyway, why did lyxal's message about the cmc with some diacritics get 3 flags anyway? it didn't just get the original flag and then some counters

Redwolf Programs

SE's moderation is like its main strength, I don't see why they don't actually put effort into making the tools for it good

lyxal

11:32 PM

@hyper-neutrino it did?

hyper-neutrino

context-less driveby flagging from other rooms, i guess? i guess ww didn't antiflag it in time

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Because they'd rather have new users posting crap than give the power users pooper-scoopers

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal yeah it got 3 valids, 2 counters, and 2 mehs (i don't think there's really too much of a problem with giving this away given the original flagger named themselves, these are anonymous to me too)

@cairdcoinheringaahing in the words of journeyman, we are basically forced to try to bash in nails with a chocolate-covered banana :D

Redwolf Programs

What the heck, is the transcript page in serif for anyone else?

hyper-neutrino

norepro

caird coinheringaahing

11:33 PM

normal font here

Redwolf Programs

It's custom fonts...not sure why

ohhh

I am now sure why